ASBs make Board Members Rulers of Planet

[Glen]

Okay, similar premise to Ward's, except this time they give us a planet identical to Earth in size, and the population to post ratio is 1000 people per member post. This will give a global population of about 510 million people, so we're not as crowded as OTL present day Earth.

Everything else scales up per Ward's moon idea.

[Glen]

My nation, the largest, at an approximate population 0f 13.8 million, is about the size of Ecuador.

No massive nations here, but at least some that are fully self sufficient.

Once again, I'd be happy to take anyone who is too small to survive into Glenish Ecuador. You'd of course still be the leader of your community if you have a population, commiserate to the size thereof (for example, if you've a population of 10,000 you'd be a small town mayor, 500,000 mayor of a big city or a small/medium sized state).

[Agentdark]

I have 5,137,000 People, in otherwords a reasonably large nation. My Nation is a benevalent Dictatorship, with people being allowed Social Freedom's within reason and nothing that could threaten my power. Satanism is the offical Church, however, other religions are accepted with Permission of the Government.

[The Dean]

I will go with your previous offer.

[Glen]

I have 5,137,000 People, in otherwords a reasonably large nation. My Nation is a benevalent Dictatorship, with people being allowed Social Freedom's within reason and nothing that could threaten my power. Satanism is the offical Church, however, other religions are accepted with Permission of the Government.

You're about the size of Turkmenistan. Hmmm, Satanic Turkmenistan....;)

[Glen]

I will go with your previous offer.

And welcome you are. Your population on this world is about the size of Sacramento, California, btw.

[Glen]

Hmmm, SionEwig did a very clever thing and controlled for the chat posts.

So the world population here at the present rate of conversion is 510 million. Still a very decent population, with lots of room to expand.

[Makelith]

so on this one i got 211,000 people, i'd be dependant on every one else for food stuffs,but will live in the mines and have a lot of gold and also mithril :D.

" The Way is shut, it was made by those who are dead, and the dead keep it, the way is shut"

Thats what an attacker can expect.

[Ward]

well then I have 5,765,000 , I have the pop of Bolivia in 1980 .


Glen are the people the same as I posted then in a few years we will be at 2 billions for a pop . Rember are pop is between the age of 20-30 years old.

[Locke]

Yay, I have 61,000 people! I shall now start from scratch and form my own nation on some islands and stab you in the back as I am too little to bother....:D

Resistance is futile!

I shall rule over you!

And my poppulation is growing by the tousands each day....

[Locke]

See, only a minute has passed, and now I have 63,000!

[Ward]

See, only a minute has passed, and now I have 63,000!

and looking at it that way 5,775,000 is my pop now and will grow at about 46,000 a day . So we will have to have a time and date were your posts counts stops for your pop .

[Fire God]

I have 470,000 people, a little less than Luxembourg's population. I'll move us to a fertile mountainous region and mimic exactly what Luxembourg did. Although defense will be handled the Swiss (being between militia and regular) and Israeli (male and female conscripts) way. :D

[Locke]

I wonder if there is any nation bigger than Glen's (surprise multi-front invasion, anyone?)

[Riain]

I have a population of about 370,000, but rising very fast. Not enough to man a Nimitz class carrier, yet.

[Glen]

well then I have 5,765,000 , I have the pop of Bolivia in 1980 .


Glen are the people the same as I posted then in a few years we will be at 2 billions for a pop . Rember are pop is between the age of 20-30 years old.

Yep, that's about right. Quite a population boom! However, how do you get 2 billion from .5 billion, everyone has three kids?

[Ward]

I wonder if there is any nation bigger than Glen's (surprise multi-front invasion, anyone?)

Glen is the person who has the largest post count on the board . and he has almost 2,000 post over the next person . And I'm no. !! in post count and he has 7,000 more post then I have .
So no , there is no one larger then him.

[Glen]

I wonder if there is any nation bigger than Glen's (surprise multi-front invasion, anyone?)

None bigger, though there are a few that are of similar magnitude. If they joined together, they could make a bigger nation than mine.

Of course, knowing the rulers of those nations, I think the chances of amicable relations are good.

[Locke]

Well, how about the little fish gets eaten by the bigger fish, the bigger fish gets eaten by the biggest fish theory? A large nation takes over a smallerone, and so on. Except mine, of course. Im the next Empire of Japan.

[Glen]

Well, how about the little fish gets eaten by the bigger fish, the bigger fish gets eaten by the biggest fish theory? A large nation takes over a smallerone, and so on. Except mine, of course. Im the next Empire of Japan.

Locke, take a look at those populations. Also take a look at the baby boom that's about to hit everyone. AND take a look at what tech level we have.

If some crazy ASBs put me in charge of some people, I am going to try and help them improve their lives, and hopefully the lives of those around us, not waste time on childish games of conquest while slipping in the technology base we already have.

OOC: See, this is why its no fun putting 'me' into these scenarios. I take things seriously, rather than as some sort of 'conquest' game.

[The Dean]

I think we would be too busy trying to feed ourselves, keep warm and dry to have time to form cliques and try to take over smaller members.
We will need to get a good coms system up as soon as possible. Then see how long it will take to "invent" computers ! :(

[Ward]

Yep, that's about right. Quite a population boom! However, how do you get 2 billion from .5 billion, everyone has three kids?

Yes every one ends up having at less 3 kids each . Or the women having 6 kids each .

[Locke]

But conqeust is always so much fun!

[The Dean]

But conqeust is always so much fun!

Until you get stuck by someone your trying to conquer.:D

[Locke]

Which is why I am more geared to developing military technologies. Though my population may be small (68,000 at this point) it is exponentially risiing, and sooon, I will need to expand to new lands once you guys realize im such a threat and cut me off from supplies-but it will be too late by then, for I shall have struck. Anyway, Im getting way ahead of myself. First I have to establish an infrastructure. My government would be a benevolent dictatorship, with me as the benevolent dictator! Everything will be solar, hydrogen, or nuclear powered, BTW, but immediately after my country is set up, I will need to import many raw materials.

[Ward]

Which is why I am more geared to developing military technologies. Though my population may be small (68,000 at this point) it is exponentially risiing, and sooon, I will need to expand to new lands once you guys realize im such a threat and cut me off from supplies-but it will be too late by then, for I shall have struck. Anyway, Im getting way ahead of myself. First I have to establish an infrastructure. My government would be a benevolent dictatorship, with me as the benevolent dictator! Everything will be solar, hydrogen, or nuclear powered, BTW, but immediately after my country is set up, I will need to import many raw materials.

well you have 1930's tech except for medical tech . So you are going to have to develope all this tech. And if you go about moving on other peoples nations you will be crused by some of us .

[Locke]

You said it was 1930's tech? How could yall launch cruise missiles at me?

[Ward]

You said it was 1930's tech? How could yall launch cruise missiles at me?

Who needs to lauch Cruise missles at you good old fasion Mustard Gas shells would work on your nation . Rember all you are is a LArge town or small town.

[Locke]

So the scenario is we just arrived at this planet and started up our economy and have set up our government, right? So lets save war for when we can really do battle. I was blabbering about a few yeawrs away, when I have a special-forces crack military, perfect for lightening strikes, and...

Uh-Oh, there I go again.

[Locke]

Look! At this moment, I have a population of 83,000!

[Imajin]

The High Kingdom of Grand Imajinistan, with a population of 11,429,000... A democratic constitutional monarchy with a strong hereditary nobility. Focus on cutting-edge technologies, and trade with the world, while maintaining a non-interventionist foreign policy. However, we'll probably need a small, professional, high-tech military if lockeland is going to try and pull a Nazi Germany on the world...

[Landshark]

Look! At this moment, I have a population of 83,000!

Are they all going to be this irritating, because if that's the case I feel N00bia may be getting a visit from the Alliance for Justifiable Genocide in the near future.

[Locke]

Watch out, or Ill Blitzkrieg ya!:D

[Landshark]

Watch out, or Ill Blitzkrieg ya!:D

I can either give you a time out or I get beat the crap out of you with a two by four with the word n00b written on it, your choice?

[Doctor What]

A little over 322,000 people for me.

Pretty decent sized small city....

[Aozhouhuaren]

A little over 322,000 people for me.

Pretty decent sized small city....

Actually it will be a little over 3.2 million Dr, 1000 per post:)

[Ward]

I can either give you a time out or I get beat the crap out of you with a two by four with the word n00b written on it, your choice?

Landshark I'm willing to loan you my Cane the one with the the cattle prob in it . Lets see how long he would scream .

[SionEwig]

Hmmm, SionEwig did a very clever thing and controlled for the chat posts.

So the world population here at the present rate of conversion is 510 million. Still a very decent population, with lots of room to expand.

Thanks Glen, just something that made sense to me. Primarily so that the planet could still have large water areas and people wouldn't end up getting stuck with them.

Anyway, using the same methodology on yours.

surface area (total) - 510,065,600 square kilometers
surface area (land) - 263,976,843 square kilometers
surface area (water) - 246,088,757 square kilometers (that's oceans/seas)

total population - 510,038,807

territory area - .5176 square kilometers per person (or from another point of view, 1.93 people per square kilometer).

[Ward]

well I rember back when we dropped our chat post Dr. What was heading to 5,000 post and I know I lost at less 1,000 posts that day.

[Riain]

There seems to be a lot of megalomaniacs here. My Most Serene Republic will be more than happy to accomodate the dissaffected talent who always flee megalomaniocracies. Since the govt of my Most Serene Republic is aware that productivity is power we will be focusing on the internal development of both our citizens and territory.

[Glen]

Are they all going to be this irritating, because if that's the case I feel N00bia may be getting a visit from the Alliance for Justifiable Genocide in the near future.

Perhaps all the most irritating n00bs can be on an island like Madagascar, except in the middle of the largest ocean.:)

[Ward]

The Kingdom of Ward is intrested in buying anything you are willing to sell .

[Cherico]

I have nice small city state, the only way im going to make
money is to legalise gambling, drugs and hookers.

[Ward]

I have nice small city state, the only way im going to make
money is to legalise gambling, drugs and hookers.

If you drop the Drugs we will send the cruse ships to your country .

[SionEwig]

Perhaps all the most irritating n00bs can be on an island like Madagascar, except in the middle of the largest ocean.:)

That submerges at high tide perhaps?:D

[Ward]

Perhaps all the most irritating n00bs can be on an island like Madagascar, except in the middle of the largest ocean.:)

No Glen have him placed next to my kingdom and when he gets out of hand I can lead my army in like Sherman did to Geroga .:D

[cabbit]

hmm... well I've got a little over 2300 people... think I'll just be a small mayor of a fishing village... Glen you want a sleepy little fishing village? We make great Chowder.:D

[Agentdark]

The Kingdom of Agentdarkistan focus's on population, with people getting money for each child they have. Primary exports include Small Arms, Raw Materials (Iron Ore, Diamonds and a few other such materials). Military build up is focused on a small coastel defense fleet, as well as a Small, but well Equiped Army and Airforce. However,a Citizen Militia service is in place.

[Othniel]

11,990,000

Not too bad. Between the populations of modern Angola and Zambia, or between that of Poland and Arabia in 1907, giving me control to what would be nearly 0.18% of our world's total population. Given Glen's population limit of 510 million I'd have 2.35% the AH world's population.

With the second largest nation in the AH world I'd be able to support a country about the size of FRance, with various communities within it, though using a capital only the size of Brussels in 1907. Smaller communites would be easy to annex as they'd become dependant on my nation economically. Anything with over 20,000 people would be seen as too much of a risk to upset a chain reaction. Mainly because those with 20 or less posts that aren't regularly on here wouldn't care much anyways.

I also propose a city for Zero-posts that is a true democracy.

[Othniel]

Thanks Glen, just something that made sense to me. Primarily so that the planet could still have large water areas and people wouldn't end up getting stuck with them.

Anyway, using the same methodology on yours.

surface area (total) - 510,065,600 square kilometers
surface area (land) - 263,976,843 square kilometers
surface area (water) - 246,088,757 square kilometers (that's oceans/seas)

total population - 510,038,807

territory area - .5176 square kilometers per person (or from another point of view, 1.93 people per square kilometer).
6,212,435 square kilometers for me. Nearly the size of Australia...

[CaRL]

I've got a small country town, mostly a farming community. Food would be our main export at first and we would have a minuteman national guard force for defense. For our size, trade is our only option, so conquest is far out of the picture (though I would be willing to loan a nine-iron golf club in the aid of the n00bia offensive:D).

[Grand_Panjandrum]

An overview of the Republic of Corvidium

The Republic of Corvidium is a small state located in a valley, surrounded by mountains, except for two passes to the north and south. Its eponymous capital, located in roughly the centre of the valley, on the shore of a lake, is where the majority of its population resides, with the remainder in the associated farming and mining hamlets throughout the valley. Its energy needs a fullfilled by a hydro-electric plant, powered by one of the many rushing mountain rivers.

The government of the Republic is overseen by the Princeps (yours truly), who possesses executive power. The legislative body is the Senate, a deliberative body, which is elected by popular vote. The Priceps reserves the right to overrule any decision reached by the Senate, but this rarely occurs, for the Princeps is benevolent and not too overbearing a ruler, provided that the decisions made by the Senate do not go against the interests of the Republic. The citizens of Corvidium possess many freedoms enshrined in the Charter of Rights and Freedoms, such as the freedom of speech and association (within reason, of course) and freedom of religion.

The education system of the Republic is overseen by the Magisterium, an organisation of those involved in the transition of skills, overseen by a meritocratic council consisting of the most qualified individuals. They are solely responsible to the Princeps and set forward the curiculum in the schools, workshops, and the University of Corvidium and serve as a self-regulating body to keep the education system in good shape.

Its military, the Corvidian Republican Guard, is purely defensive in nature, similar to OTL Swizterland, with a policy of national service, total defence, and so forth. There is also a small and efficient police force, the Corvidian Constabulary.

The government takes direct control of the agricultural system in order to make sure that there are sufficient foodstuffs for the population, but not to the extent that it would prove detrimental in the future. There are some mineral deposits in the surrounding mountain sides from which the several mines draw forth moderate amounts of iron, copper, silver, gold, etc.

The most unique industry of Corvidium is one that gave it its name; the tamed ravens. As the valley was populated by several large colonies of ravens, the inhabitants made a practice of taming and breeding them. The most utilitarian use that ravens provide is through the Corvus Express, a system by which ravens are used to deliver letters and messages throughout the Republic. They also prove to be quite intelligent pets. Due the disease risks, the government makes sure that every bird is vaccinated and regularily screened for any pathogens. Other industries of Corvidium include metalsmithy, jewelry, and clockwork machinery.

And that is all I can think of for now, since it is nearing 03:30 and I am quite tired. To conclude, the flag of the Republic of Corvidium:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v479/Sarajevo_Jack/flag-corvus.png

[The Dean]

I will be offering a door to door transit service for goods using minimum fuel and safe cargo handling.
I will use local carriers outside of Deanland offering training where necessary.

Looks like Agentdarkistan will be getting a few orders for equipment from Deans Steam, Sail and Airship (SSA) Transit Company.

[Makelith]

i have 213,000 people now. anyone want to trade foodstuffs please.

[The Dean]

i have 213,000 people now. anyone want to trade foodstuffs please.


I will take them to any customer you get for a fair price.

[Makelith]

i trade for gold and mithril and jems and crystals and silver.

[The Dean]

i trade for gold and mithril and jems and crystals and silver.

So what is it jewelery or food you are trading?

I am a carrier I don't trade. All traders need transport. I provide that without any hassle.

[Makelith]

Wealth items for food.

[Zarth]

Lets see I have just under a million people. I don't like being a ruler, and have no actual idea as to how I would rule a country so I think I would just be annexed by Glens country.

[NomadicSky]

I'm still going to call my nation Nova Vinlandia

The nation has 2,002,000 people.

It's a constitutional monarchy the current head of state is King Aaron I (Me)

The capital and largest city is New Trondheim it has 50,000 people it will be located near the geographic center of the country.

I'm going to break up my population and scatter them throught the country.
Each province will be about the same size and each will have a provincial capital with a population of 5,000. I know that Populations will change as time goes by for now however this is how I'm going to break down some of the population.

( I will establish my nation on a northern coastal area)

Nova Vinlandia is about the size of South Carolina and has a climate similar to the state of New York. To the east one will find the coast in the summer thousands of tourist flock to Nova Vinlandian beaches they come for the scenery and the legalized marijuana.

[Makelith]

as everyone's naming there countries i'll call mine Y Coed Duon and i'm king.

218,000 people living there now.

[Aozhouhuaren]

6,212,435 square kilometers for me. Nearly the size of Australia...

Well if you took away New South Wales :p

[stevep]

Well on this one, provided I haven't fouled up the maths the kingdom of New Anglia is an island state of about 2.5M people on about 1.2Mkm2. Temperate, a rather overgrown Britain, moderate climate and decent range of mineral resources. A bit further south that Britain proportionally or in a Gulf stream equivalent.

Constitutional monarchy under the beloved Stephen I with a strong educational system and a major rival to The Dean as a trading nation. Hoping to establish friendly and mutually profitable relations with nations far and wide. Also providing refuge from disasters natural and man-made.

Steve

[Othniel]

Well if you took away New South Wales :p
Much bigger than India, which is the next clostest country in size.

[Cherico]

The democratic republic of Cherico

a small Island nation that has legalised gambling and prostution
canabus is also legal on the island. The countrys largest industry
is Torism and its often call the Island of sin by outsiders

[Aozhouhuaren]

Much bigger than India, which is the next clostest country in size.

Othniel, 2 people per sq km is a bit sparse, will you have a huge crowded city as a capital and have the rest of the country as farmland and eco-reserves, badlands. How is your country laid out?

Will there be a map of this world or is the planet just Earth devoid of humans. I doubt this because I saw a basic 50-50 percentage split in land and water somewhere in one of the posts.

[Othniel]

Othniel, 2 people per sq km is a bit sparse, will you have a huge crowded city as a capital and have the rest of the country as farmland and eco-reserves, badlands. How is your country laid out?
I know its a bit sprase. I was going to go for a layout, close to that of China, or Brazil. I was going to have a large hinterland, a decent but rather smaller sized capital, a large agricultural/ranch base, and smaller towns supporting that. My population is about the size of Poland(as partitioned as it was) at the turn of the century but a rather more like the Terrain of France with the Alps and the Gobi desert both being there...

[Locke]

Im creating too many national enemies. Perhaps Ill settle for being a backwater. And my country will be set up on a group of volcanic islands, so most of the land will be fertile for growing crops. That could become my main export, and ill trade for steel and other metals, as well as plastic and stuff. Of course, I cant have big American cities, sprawling their urbanity across dozens of miles, no, no, mine will be ecologically friendly, and nudity will be legal!:D And maybe ill buy some weapons....

[Locke]

And my capitol city will be New Atlantis, piop. 30,000. Most of the rest of the population centers will be on the coast, and New Atlantis will be located on the largest of my 7-island government-Atlantica, aproximately 300 square kilometers. The other islands will be sparsely populated, devoted to agricultural production, about 10,000 people will live on those total, none over 100 square kilometers.

[Landshark]

On the tech base, just what are we talking about here?

I know all technology except medical is eqivalent to 1930 but does that mean we get complete items such as cars, trains, aircraft and weapons or just the basic means to build such things?

As everyone seems to be trying to build huge countries with fully fuctioning economies I would suggest a couple of ground rules.

First that in a similar way to everyone getting a certain number of people in relation to their post counts everyone gets a set amount of land.

Second that in relation to the size of population every country gets a set number of "industry points" that can be used to calculate numbers of things like power plants and factories in that nation.

[Ward]

On the tech base, just what are we talking about here?

I know all technology except medical is eqivalent to 1930 but does that mean we get complete items such as cars, trains, aircraft and weapons or just the basic means to build such things?

As everyone seems to be trying to build huge countries with fully fuctioning economies I would suggest a couple of ground rules.

First that in a similar way to everyone getting a certain number of people in relation to their post counts everyone gets a set amount of land.

Second that in relation to the size of population every country gets a set number of "industry points" that can be used to calculate numbers of things like power plants and factories in that nation.


What is the distribution of age and intellect (would it be of the average American who lived in 1930s Kansas)?

The average age of the people taken will be 20 - 30 years old and all in good health and 52% will be women and the rest males . They all will have the education of eather 4 years in collage or be at less jurniy men in there skilled trade . Also there will be 1 MD for ever 1,000 persons And one DDS for every 1,000 person . Also there will be 1 master of Ever trade for Every 1,000 Person and one Phd for Every 1,000 persons . If you have less then a 1,000 people you get one of each type of specilty for your nation.


Unless you say that your country is specilizeing in an idustry type you get
an equal amout of all types of Industry .

[Landshark]

What is the distribution of age and intellect (would it be of the average American who lived in 1930s Kansas)?

Erm, perhaps not that appropriate for those of use from outside the American midwest.

I'd say it should be the average person from 1930 from the member's country of origin.

[Ward]

Well the Kingdom of Ward has a pop of 5,790,000
our major city will be called New Zealand with a pop of 500,000

My nation specalizes in build machines to build new machines as well as ship building . We also are a major supplier of food , Cattle , grain ,Tubers and fish.
We are a major shipping nation with a large merchent fleet .
We build Electric trains and sell power because we have many rivers and use hydro electric dams for power .
We also build the best farm equpment that is made on this planet .
We are willing to join with some other nation to build aircraft and autos .
We will build the engions and drive trains but need some one to build the bodys for the autos .
We also make small arms such as the M-1 Rifle and M-1 carbine and the Browning MG's .

[Landshark]

We also make small arms such as the M-1 Rifle and M-1 carbine and the Browning MG's .

This reminds me.

Is the technology what was available in 1930 or what could have been available in 1930.

There are a few of reason why the Garand wasn't built during the 1920's.

First the Great War had left most armies with an excess of equipment and short on funds to replace it with something new.

Second designers had to work out what was possible and then design it.

We on the other hand are starting from a clean slate and some of us have at least a theoretical knowledge of how assault rifles and other machinery works.

I would suggest that for armaments everyone starts off with Mauser action rifles with a five round magazine and Vickers/Maxim or Browning water cooled machine guns.

[cabbit]

hmm... well I've got a little over 2300 people... think I'll just be a small mayor of a fishing village... Glen you want a sleepy little fishing village? We make great Chowder.:D


ok did my math wrong... 23000 people... so a large fishing town... Still we have great Chowder.

[Locke]

This reminds me.

Is the technology what was available in 1930 or what could have been available in 1930.

There are a few of reason why the Garand wasn't built during the 1920's.

First the Great War had left most armies with an excess of equipment and short on funds to replace it with something new.

Second designers had to work out what was possible and then design it.

We on the other hand are starting from a clean slate and some of us have at least a theoretical knowledge of how assault rifles and other machinery works.

I would suggest that for armaments everyone starts off with Mauser action rifles with a five round magazine and Vickers/Maxim or Browning water cooled machine guns.

What about tanks, aircraft, and military vessels?

[Landshark]

What about tanks, aircraft, and military vessels?

Either they're calculated based on what a nation of comparble size would have in 1930, perhaps based on tonnage rather than actual ship numbers in the case of warships, or everyone is given zero to start with and then has the choice on how many to build within the limits of population and economy, otherwise people are going to be pulling ridiculously large war machines out of thin air.

[Locke]

I like the "everyone gets enough materials to get of to a good start" policy, but land area in relation to population size? Why doesn't every nation start off in a small area, spread out and cut off from each other, and then they can assimilate the unknown lands.

And BTW as soon as we do this we should create an intercontinental rail road system.

And since its 1930's tech (presumably before World War 2) why don't we leave the world in Uchronia (as in time never really advances, i.e the Lord of the Rings)

[Landshark]

I like the "everyone gets enough materials to get of to a good start" policy, but land area in relation to population size? Why doesn't every nation start off in a small area, spread out and cut off from each other, and then they can assimilate the unknown lands.

Limits interaction between nations which makes things kinda boring.

And BTW as soon as we do this we should create an intercontinental rail road system.

That's not the sort of project that just springs up overnight.

And since its 1930's tech (presumably before World War 2) why don't we leave the world in Uchronia (as in time never really advances, i.e the Lord of the Rings)

Again, being stuck in a bubble where things never change sounds kinda boring.

[SionEwig]

This reminds me.

Is the technology what was available in 1930 or what could have been available in 1930.

There are a few of reason why the Garand wasn't built during the 1920's.

First the Great War had left most armies with an excess of equipment and short on funds to replace it with something new.

Second designers had to work out what was possible and then design it.

We on the other hand are starting from a clean slate and some of us have at least a theoretical knowledge of how assault rifles and other machinery works.

I would suggest that for armaments everyone starts off with Mauser action rifles with a five round magazine and Vickers/Maxim or Browning water cooled machine guns.

You've been reading my mind I see. If you get lost in all that empty space, just send up a flare and one of the nice associates will be along shortly to guide you out.:D

But seriously, you bring up some very good points and they are the exact ones that I had been thinking about. My opinion is that if the tech date is 1930, let's stick with what was available in 1930, not 1936 or the 40s.

As to you armaments suggestion, pretty good, but I'd say that if a weapon was in PRODUCTION by 1930 it would be fine. Which will allow some air-cooled machine guns (Browning 1919s for ex.), various of the Lee-Enfield bolt action rifles. and such things.

[Landshark]

You've been reading my mind I see. If you get lost in all that empty space, just send up a flare and one of the nice associates will be along shortly to guide you out.:D

But seriously, you bring up some very good points and they are the exact ones that I had been thinking about. My opinion is that if the tech date is 1930, let's stick with what was available in 1930, not 1936 or the 40s.

As to you armaments suggestion, pretty good, but I'd say that if a weapon was in PRODUCTION by 1930 it would be fine. Which will allow some air-cooled machine guns (Browning 1919s for ex.), various of the Lee-Enfield bolt action rifles. and such things.

Makes sense though I think limiting ourselves to stuff that actually existed in 1930 in OTL is a little well limiting.

For example I would probably use weapons chambered for something like 7mm x 49 rather than the 7.62mm x 63mm or 7.7mm x 54mm that was available in 1930. It's not something that was made in 1930 but it still uses available technology only in a different package.

And by the way you were supposed to pick up the dry cleaning today.

[Glen]

Damned warmongers.

Well, hope for peace....

....but prepare for war.

We will be implementing a nationwide national guard, where everyone will be required to keep and maintain an assault rifle and personal gear for mustering out in event of invasion. They will be required to spend at least a weekend a month in training (population split up by fourths so it doesn't bring civilian life to a standstill). Classes in marksmanship, unarmed combat, and 'scouting' will be incorporated throughout the school system.

And we will be taking other steps to ensure the defense of the Glenland....

[Locke]

Would the continents be the same as Earth's? That would definetely be boring.

[Landshark]

Damned warmongers.

Well, hope for peace....

....but prepare for war.

We will be implementing a nationwide national guard, where everyone will be required to keep and maintain an assault rifle and personal gear for mustering out in event of invasion. They will be required to spend at least a weekend a month in training (population split up by fourths so it doesn't bring civilian life to a standstill). Classes in marksmanship, unarmed combat, and 'scouting' will be incorporated throughout the school system.

And we will be taking other steps to ensure the defense of the Glenland....

We've just been arguing about the viability of assault rifles, try to keep up.

[Glen]

We've just been arguing about the viability of assault rifles, try to keep up.

Landshark, assault rifles have been around a lot longer than 1930. What you are arguing about is the type.

[Landshark]

Landshark, assault rifles have been around a lot longer than 1930. What you are arguing about is the type.

I presumed you were talking about the classic intermediate cartridge, selective fire, detachable 20 to 30 round magazine, pistol grip assault rifle.

[Locke]

Any way, with my rather small population of 93,000 at this moment, the population will de evenly disrtibuted to certain tasks.

[Supernatural Rabbit Scrib]

Hai! Welcome to Atitlan- enjoy your stay!

Population:

58,000

Geography:

We dwell on the shores of a large and bountiful freshwater lake high in the mountains, about a thousand miles north of the equator. This lake is the headwater of a series of falls that drop precipitously, finally forming a massive river that leads eighty miles south to an ocean. We hope to eventually build a road to the bottom of the falls, and thus enter the world marketplace.

Demographics

The vast majority of us either fish or work on our farms or orchards. Our "capitol," Atitlan City, has a population of under two thousand. Here is our seat of government, our only hospital, and our "university."

Politics

Atitlan is an ultraminimalist libertarian monarchy. My beloved people will do whatever I ask of them so long as I never ask anything of them. The practical work of government is carried out exclusively by a monocameral legislature of 13, one member of which stands for reelection every six months. There are no districts- everyone over the age of 22 votes in each election. The legislature also acts as the judicial branch, hearing criminal trials and enforcing contracts.

Military

Formally, none. But every household is well-armed, and the individual Legislators will act as militia leaders in the event of invasion. Because of the geography, we are self-sufficient, though tiny. So, despite the fact that we have elected to remain independent of that august nation, we will not hesitate to call on the assistance of Glenish Ecuador should we face invasion. Note that, while Glenish Ecuador stands to gain nothing by offering such assistance, Glen is a Real Cool Cat who has responded positively to my posts- don't tread on me. We are prepared to sign a formal treaty with Glenish Ecuador, commiting an Altitlan Expeditionary Force of ten thousand infantry to assist Glenish Ecuador in the event of her attack by another nation(s) in exchange for military assistance should we be similarly attacked.

Economy

Our lake supplies a boundless array of fish. Additionally, our orchards thrive on its shores, producing all manner of citrus fruit in abundance. The rich igneous soil lends itself well to agriculture. We have one reasonably profitable silver vein, and I myself make my way as the world's sole (so far) proprietor of an amber mine. Unusually for such a small people, we have plenty of food to export. We need technology in exchange.

[Locke]

Aww, what a perfect cliché utopian society, on a beautiful lake in a wonderful meadow.

[SionEwig]

Makes sense though I think limiting ourselves to stuff that actually existed in 1930 in OTL is a little well limiting.

For example I would probably use weapons chambered for something like 7mm x 49 rather than the 7.62mm x 63mm or 7.7mm x 54mm that was available in 1930. It's not something that was made in 1930 but it still uses available technology only in a different package.

Agree with you, and should have been more complete in what I said. I was mainly pointing out that there were air-cooled mgs around then and giving the best known example.

And by the way you were supposed to pick up the dry cleaning today.

Yeah, the old ball and chain has already mentioned that.;)

[SionEwig]

Landshark, assault rifles have been around a lot longer than 1930. What you are arguing about is the type.


Please give some examples.

[Ward]

The M-1 Rifle was first made in 1932 . So I will drop the M-1 carbine . If I can not have the M-1 rifle I will take the 1903 spring field rifle that has the semi Auto vs that was made for WWI and then droped after the war.
We will go with the BAR's and the M1919 , and Mom duce .
Kingdom of Ward
Our army is is made up of 15,000 men active and the rest of the men are member's of the NG . Every one has weapons at home and spends one weekend a mo. and 2 weeks a year active.
Of the 15,000 men in the military 10,000 act as police .

[SionEwig]

The M-1 Rifle was first made in 1932 . So I will drop the M-1 carbine .
We will go with the BAR's and the M1919 , and Mom duce .
Kingdom of Ward
Our army is is made up of 15,000 men active and the rest of the men are member's of the NG . Every one has weapons at home and spends one weekend a mo. and 2 weeks a year active.
Of the 15,000 men in the military 10,000 act as police .

Hmmm, thought the date of tech was 1930?:confused: Ma Deuce was 33 IIRC.

[Ward]

Hmmm, thought the date of tech was 1930?:confused: Ma Deuce was 33 IIRC.

I though that the MA Deuce was designed for WWI .

[SionEwig]

I though that the MA Deuce was designed for WWI .

Nope, the round was developed in the 19teens, and the first weapon for it was either the 50 cal version of the Browning 1917 (the water-cooled mg, you should know it well :D ), or the Vickers water-cooled chambered in 50 cal. I lean towards the Browning being the first myself.

[Ward]

Nope, the round was developed in the 19teens, and the first weapon for it was either the 50 cal version of the Browning 1917 (the water-cooled mg, you should know it well :D ), or the Vickers water-cooled chambered in 50 cal. I lean towards the Browning being the first myself.

well then I will go with the Water Cooled 1917 MG and I will go with the
The Pedersen Device 1903 springfield rifle :D
For more information check here http://www.remingtonsociety.com/questions/Pedersen.htm

[SionEwig]

well then I will go with the Water Cooled 1917 MG and I will go with the
The Pedersen Device 1903 springfield rifle :D
For more information check here http://www.remingtonsociety.com/questions/Pedersen.htm

That's one of the very few variants of the Springfield that my wife doesn't have. And I'm not talking the device of course, there are only like 30 of those left. It's hard to even find one of the rifles that was converted. She does have 1 round of the ammo, nice exceptionally hot pistol ammo.

[cabbit]

Name of city/state/nation: Catch'em'Mac Cove
Population: 23,000
Military: none, except coastal patrol boats with crew of 5 (total 2 boats)

The town of Catch'em'Mac Cove (or Mac Cove to the locals)is a nice little slice of civilization on the coast,surrounded by wilderness. With a climate similar to the Pacific Northwest its a sight to be seen. It has a population of 23,000. Mostly fishermen, but it does have a small boat building industry. Mainly fishing vessels, but don't be surprised to see a few 'swift boats' (i.e wooden speed boats) in a berth or two. Locals here love to tinker an they have machinist and workshops to prove it. Being on the coast means cool winds blow some days and locals have a great remedy for these nasty days. Seafood Chowder. If you have a chance try it, you won't be sorry.

Well what do ya think? Anyone want a good place to recruit sailors?

[Cherico]

Im going to have to ally to a stronger nation, with my limited population
and tourist based economy I cant really afford a strong milatary

[Makelith]

my people have moved into the valley at the base of our underground city to start up a farming city to aid with our food stuffs. the local arqadui natives have joined our city to have metal items like jewellry, arms and tools.

My army utilises swords and bows instead of guns and will use the mines as aour greatest weapon.

BTW: 25% of the harvest will be stored in our mines and the mine is a labrinth, and there's 4 secret exits, and finally, there are many traps in the mines.

mwaahaaha!
think a scarier, more dangerous, and mazy Moria.

[Riain]

The Most Serene Republic has a lot of talented people, which of course means that we are a prosperous little country. However all that talent means that, while limited to the machine tools, designs etc of 1930, we are able to build better weapons than were in production on Earth in 1930. For example, all the ingredients to build metre-wave radar were available in 1923, but radar wasn't actually put into use until the late 30s. My talented scientists will be able to gather the existing techniques and build a radar system within a year of our founding. We will also be able to build a monoplane airforce, hoping for partners to share the development efforts of course, even though this wasn't 1930s reality on earth. The Most Serene Republic seeks partners for trade and industrial cooperation with like minded small nations.

[FrolicsomeQuipster]

I would be the ruler of a community of 25000 which would mainly focus on testing things* and making sure they are fool proof**, since you are all so eager to get your military running and furthering your tech base.

*mainly weapons
**Idiot proof not guaranteed

Also my little state would like to put up a completely neutral stance during any of your disputes, and occupy a place of no real tactical importance.

This shall be our flag.
http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/817/pleasedonthurtussay8.png

[The Dean]

With every county's ruler an AH member, why oh why is everybody so hung up on getting a strong military? :(

We of all people should be able to take this opportunity to not repeat the mistakes others have made. :confused:

[SionEwig]

With every county's ruler an AH member, why oh why is everybody so hung up on getting a strong military? :(

We of all people should be able to take this opportunity to not repeat the mistakes others have made. :confused:

This bunch?:rolleyes:

I would hazard a guess that some, if not many, of the armed forces that are now being mentioned/planned/etc., are being done for defensive purposes. Once one person starts it, it's hard for others to not do so. In addition you also have rulers that might not be exactly trusted by others.

In other words, an Arms Race!:eek:

[CaRL]

Im going to have to ally to a stronger nation, with my limited population
and tourist based economy I cant really afford a strong milatary

Same here, we definately don't have the resources to wage an offensive by ourselves.

For weaponry and equipment, I would field WW1 era equipment, though my comm gear would be up-to-date. Transport by horse would still be existent at first; with mounted Dragoons as my QRF.

[Aozhouhuaren]

Population will obviously increase with time but is our current land area fixed or will that also be allowed to increase?

Would it ever be possible for a member to reach Chinas population?:D 1 million posts! :eek: :D I think there should be a limit as to how much land a member can own, can someone figure that out?

500 million sq km, about 2500 members, 200000 sq km for every member, thats a little small, methinks this planet will defy the laws of physics if every member is allowed 1000 people per post and 0.57 sq km per person.
It will swell little day by day.

[stevep]

my people have moved into the valley at the base of our underground city to start up a farming city to aid with our food stuffs. the local arqadui natives have joined our city to have metal items like jewellry, arms and tools.

My army utilises swords and bows instead of guns and will use the mines as aour greatest weapon.

BTW: 25% of the harvest will be stored in our mines and the mine is a labrinth, and there's 4 secret exits, and finally, there are many traps in the mines.

mwaahaaha!
think a scarier, more dangerous, and mazy Moria.

Just keep your pet in the basement well under control this time!;):D

Steve

[Locke]

Im going to have to ally to a stronger nation, with my limited population
and tourist based economy I cant really afford a strong milatary

What type of country is yours? (inland, desert, islandic, coastal,large, small)

[Ward]

Population will obviously increase with time but is our current land area fixed or will that also be allowed to increase?

Would it ever be possible for a member to reach Chinas population?:D 1 million posts! :eek: :D I think there should be a limit as to how much land a member can own, can someone figure that out?

500 million sq km, about 2500 members, 200000 sq km for every member, thats a little small, methinks this planet will defy the laws of physics if every member is allowed 1000 people per post and 0.57 sq km per person.
It will swell little day by day.

Let just say your pop dose not grow by 1,000 per post as of May 1/ 2007
And let us drop the members of the boards members who have left or who do not have over 10 posts .

Plus we need some one who could build a world map for us and let us take are pick of the area of the world.

[Locke]

But lets be sure its not the same map as Earth's-we want diferent continents.

[SionEwig]

Population will obviously increase with time but is our current land area fixed or will that also be allowed to increase?

Would it ever be possible for a member to reach Chinas population?:D 1 million posts! :eek: :D I think there should be a limit as to how much land a member can own, can someone figure that out?

Yes, there is a limit as to how much land you can own. That being the land you have when you start, that being .5176 square kilometers/ person in your population. If you want to grow in area, then you have to get land from others.

500 million sq km, about 2500 members, 200000 sq km for every member, thats a little small, methinks this planet will defy the laws of physics if every member is allowed 1000 people per post and 0.57 sq km per person.
It will swell little day by day.

The planet has the surface area of Earth, with a much smaller population, that's not "a little small." The population density is (approximately) 1.93 people per square kilometer (5 per square mile), that is plenty of growing room before anyone becomes crowded.

Nothing was said about the planet growing. It was pretty much understood that the cut off for population (and thus area) would be when you started in this thread, not that it would keep growing by each post you make afterwards.

[The Dean]

So let's say a map is produced who will act as the ASB and allocate Members to their respective countries?

[Locke]

Yes. Who has Microsoft Paint? Put me in a small peninsula (like Korea) as well as a few small islands of the coast.

[SionEwig]

Let just say your pop dose not grow by 1,000 per post as of May 1/ 2007
And let us drop the members of the boards members who have left or who do not have over 10 posts .

Disagree with both suggestions. You should stick with the post number you had when you first posted in this thread. And leave the smaller bunch alone, so what if they are not participating, 99% or more of the memebers are not participating.

Plus we need some one who could build a world map for us and let us take are pick of the area of the world.

That would be nice, but first Glen will have to say what the percentage of land/water is (that is if he doesn't go by what was suggested earlier). And then someone actually has to make a globe/map (which would be nice if someone would do so).

Then there is the issue of how people get ot choose their land. My thought would be to have it go from smaller countrys to large, with all the advantages the larger nations get, it would be nice for the small ones to finally get some advantage.:D

[Locke]

How about a bit more water than land? Like 80 percent instead of 75?

[SionEwig]

So let's say a map is produced who will act as the ASB and allocate Members to their respective countries?

See my suggestion above, but I would overall say the Glen could fairly act as an "ASB" where needed.

[SionEwig]

How about a bit more water than land? Like 80 percent instead of 75?

If it goes with what had been suggested earlier, it is currently 51.75% Land and 48.25% Water. Now if you want people to have smaller countrys?

[Ward]

See my suggestion above, but I would overall say the Glen could fairly act as an "ASB" where needed.

I agree with that and let the smaller nations go first as were they want to go .
But I think we could put all the people with no posts and less then 15 in one nation .
But what about the people who are baned do they still have a country or not.

[SionEwig]

I agree with that and let the smaller nations go first as were they want to go .
But I think we could put all the people with no posts and less then 15 in one nation .

One large island/continent way off by itself.

But what about the people who are baned do they still have a country or not.

They get put on the equilivent of Antartica!:D

[Aozhouhuaren]

So SionEwig, the base population is what you've started with the umber of posts you have multiplied by 1000 and is fixed at that point. Then is the growth rate the average global growth rate of 1930, or 3-4% or some other growth rate?

[SionEwig]

So SionEwig, the base population is what you've started with the umber of posts you have multiplied by 1000 and is fixed at that point.

That is how I would do it (though more precisely it is the number of posts when you first posted in the thread multiplied by 1000 and then add 1 to it), how Glen decides to do it is his call.


Then is the growth rate the average global growth rate of 1930, or 3-4% or some other growth rate?

Again up to Glen, but something like your examples would be reasonable. Perhaps if you could find the growth rate of a real world country that you are modeling yours off of, that might be reasonable also.

[Locke]

No Glen have him placed next to my kingdom and when he gets out of hand I can lead my army in like Sherman did to Geroga .:D

One large island/continent way off by itself.



They get put on the equilivent of Antartica!:D

People who are banned should not count, as they no longer submit, and they can't help their nations anyway!

[Locke]

That is how I would do it (though more precisely it is the number of posts when you first posted in the thread multiplied by 1000 and then add 1 to it), how Glen decides to do it is his call.

Again up to Glen, but something like your examples would be reasonable. Perhaps if you could find the growth rate of a real world country that you are modeling yours off of, that might be reasonable also.

Mine will be modeled of of Greece or something similar (a portion of the mainland, plus comprising of hundreds of smaller islands.) Perhaps the Bahamas, or Denmark. I like the Denmark comparo, though my climate will be much warmer.

[SionEwig]

People who are banned should not count, as they no longer submit, and they can't help their nations anyway!

Disagree, first they are still on the list as members and it would be a pain to go through and try to find all who are banned. At the same time, it would be necessary to keep track of how many posts they had so as to be able to make the necessary adjustments for the geography.

While you are correct that they can't run their nations, 99% of the members of the board won't be participating and thus will not be running their nations either.

[Ward]

Who would be intrested in makeing this into a Mosic earth Game .
With Glen running it , I think this could be fun .

[Locke]

Disagree, first they are still on the list as members and it would be a pain to go through and try to find all who are banned. At the same time, it would be necessary to keep track of how many posts they had so as to be able to make the necessary adjustments for the geography.

While you are correct that they can't run their nations, 99% of the members of the board won't be participating and thus will not be running their nations either.

Well why don't we just get all the people who have less than 15 posts and put them with the banned ones and the people who aren't in this and put them in their own little nation.

[Aozhouhuaren]

Sorry if this screws up with the rules, but may I suggest a starting value of your nations economy. Or this worlds economy,

Your annual income times 1 million.:D

Mine would be around only 5 billion dollars, when split between everybody in my nation, the GDP is around $20000 as my population is around 250000.

[Imajin]

So my nation is totally impoverished with a net economy of zero, as I have no income :P

Random flag, possibly to be tweaked to look less Albanian.

[Supernatural Rabbit Scrib]

So my nation is totally impoverished with a net economy of zero, as I have no income :P

Laid off six weeks ago, myself! w00t! :D

[SionEwig]

Who would be intrested in makeing this into a Mosic earth Game .
With Glen running it , I think this could be fun .

If Glen can be talked into doing it.:D But yes, it would be fun.

[SionEwig]

Well why don't we just get all the people who have less than 15 posts and put them with the banned ones and the people who aren't in this and put them in their own little nation.

Possible workable idea. However, take a look at the top 50 posters and their numbers of posts. Most will not be participating so them, along with the banned, and others not participating will not fit in a small country. It would be more likely that those participating would fit in a small area, even with some people having a good number of posts.

[SionEwig]

Sorry if this screws up with the rules, but may I suggest a starting value of your nations economy. Or this worlds economy,

Your annual income times 1 million.:D

Mine would be around only 5 billion dollars, when split between everybody in my nation, the GDP is around $20000 as my population is around 250000.

That is actually an interesting idea, might need some tweaking to work out the kinks, but still it's something to work with.

[NomadicSky]

Who would be intrested in makeing this into a Mosic earth Game .
With Glen running it , I think this could be fun .

I really like that idea.
If we use the Earth for this game can I claim old Acadia

I guess I should just drop the Nova and call it Vinlandia if we use Earth as our base map.

[SionEwig]

I really like that idea.
If we use the Earth for this game can I claim old Acadia

I guess I should just drop the Nova and call it Vinlandia if we use Earth as our base map.

LOL, to quote Glen, NO CLAIMS YET!!!:D

[CaRL]

Who would be intrested in makeing this into a Mosic earth Game .
With Glen running it , I think this could be fun .

I'm interested! Since ALT is dead I'll stick with this.:cool:

[Glen]

Hai! Welcome to Atitlan- enjoy your stay!

....So, despite the fact that we have elected to remain independent of that august nation, we will not hesitate to call on the assistance of Glenish Ecuador should we face invasion. Note that, while Glenish Ecuador stands to gain nothing by offering such assistance, Glen is a Real Cool Cat who has responded positively to my posts- don't tread on me. We are prepared to sign a formal treaty with Glenish Ecuador, commiting an Altitlan Expeditionary Force of ten thousand infantry to assist Glenish Ecuador in the event of her attack by another nation(s) in exchange for military assistance should we be similarly attacked....Unusually for such a small people, we have plenty of food to export. We need technology in exchange.

We welcome the friendship of the small but supercool Atitlan nation, and will be happy to cooperate on security matters and enter into trade.

[Locke]

Hows about this for a map of our new world?
http://alternatehistory.com/discussion/attachment.php?attachmentid=12609&d=1146875669

[Glen]

Please give some examples.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_rifle#1900s.E2.80.931930s:_Pre-Sturmgewehr_Light_automatic_rifles

[Glen]

Im going to have to ally to a stronger nation, with my limited population
and tourist based economy I cant really afford a strong milatary

The people of Glenish Ecuador would love alliance and a place to visit on vacation. They are a hard working and hard playing people, after all.:D

[Landshark]

I've been doddling some flags. These are Scandinavian based ones. Anyone got any ideas.

[Glen]

With every county's ruler an AH member, why oh why is everybody so hung up on getting a strong military? :(

We of all people should be able to take this opportunity to not repeat the mistakes others have made. :confused:

Sad truth is, there often are a few people who just think that big militaries and conquest are 'just too cool'.

[Glen]

Same here, we definately don't have the resources to wage an offensive by ourselves.

For weaponry and equipment, I would field WW1 era equipment, though my comm gear would be up-to-date. Transport by horse would still be existent at first; with mounted Dragoons as my QRF.

Glenish Ecuador seeks frienship with all of the AH.com World. We'd much rather reach for the stars than fight in the muck.

[Glen]

Sorry if this screws up with the rules, but may I suggest a starting value of your nations economy. Or this worlds economy,

Your annual income times 1 million.:D

Mine would be around only 5 billion dollars, when split between everybody in my nation, the GDP is around $20000 as my population is around 250000.

Don't recommend that people put that kind of personal information out there....

[LightInfa]

Light Empire/Helles Reich

Population: 1,302,000

Area: 673,915.2 square kilometers, a little bit bigger than Afghanistan

Languages: 65% English, 35% German. Most of the German speakers are concentrated in the Eastern Marches region of the Light Empire.

Government: Absolute Monarchy

Geography: The Light Empire is mainly rolling hills and flat plains except for the Eastern Marches region which is much more mountainous. The three main rivers in the territory of the Empire are the Shining River, the Bright River, and the Reflect River. In the floodplains of these rivers is very good farmland, and much of the Empire's produce is grown here. The tallest mountain is Mount Imperial in the Eastern Marches Region. Mt. Imperial is part of the Tallern Mountain range. The Northern part of the country borders the Sea of Estonia.

Description: The Light Empire is an absolute monarchy ruled by me. It has a fairly small-sized population at 1,302,000, which is slightly smaller than the population of the Estonia. The capital city is Reichsburg with a population of 300,000. The second largest city is Port Lighttown with a population of 150,000. Both Reichsburg and Port Lighttown are heavily industrialized bearing most of the production needs of the Empire. Most farms are gathered in the flood plains of the major 3 rivers. To serve the defense needs of the Empire, universal conscription of all males 17-30 is an integral part of the military. A professional army of 100,000 men is also maintained at all times. The standard rifle is the Lee-Enfield SMLE Mark III. Horses are used as the main form of mobility for the army, and most infantry units are trained as mounted infantry.

[LightInfa]

Flag of the Light Empire

[Imajin]

Revised flag of the High Kingdom of Grand Imajinistan. The dual-headed eagle is the national bird and stands for the monarchy, and the flower stands for something else. Maybe the people.

[Locke]

Looks shockingly like the German flag-I wonder why?:p

[Locke]

Im talking about Lightinfas of course.

[LightInfa]

Looks shockingly like the German flag-I wonder why?:p

It's actually the Belgian flag rotated 90 degrees and squished, but your assumptions are sort of correct.

[Locke]

They both have the same colors, they both look the same to me. Whatever. Its not like I excel in identifying flags.:p

[Glen]

IF you wish to turn this into a game, feel free. The rules are as initially formulated by Ward, though with my previous modifications as to size. Land area allotted is as per SionEwig.

As ASB in chief, I appoint Ward and SionEwig as sub mods. They will be responsible for spearheading the design.

I propose that we use an OTL map as our base map, for the sake of convenience. You must use SionEwig's area formula to determine the area of your nation. You may claim a total amount of land equal to that number. I suggest you find cities, states, and/or nations that are about your size, or are contiguous and add up to that size, and make that your territory.

So sayeth Glen, ASB and Protector of Glenish Ecuador.

PS - Just for laughs, Ward's original AH.com moon world is the moon of this planet. You now all have lunar colonies, though we have no way to reach them yet.:D

[Locke]

Well if its on the shared worlds section, then shouldn't it be a game?

[SionEwig]

Well if its on the shared worlds section, then shouldn't it be a game?


Yes, that's the idea.:D

[SionEwig]

IF you wish to turn this into a game, feel free. The rules are as initially formulated by Ward, though with my previous modifications as to size. Land area allotted is as per SionEwig.

As ASB in chief, I appoint Ward and SionEwig as sub mods. They will be responsible for spearheading the design.

I propose that we use an OTL map as our base map, for the sake of convenience. You must use SionEwig's area formula to determine the area of your nation. You may claim a total amount of land equal to that number. I suggest you find cities, states, and/or nations that are about your size, or are contiguous and add up to that size, and make that your territory.

So sayeth Glen, ASB and Protector of Glenish Ecuador.

Some slight modifications as to the area of each nation. Primarily since the amount of land just went way down :eek: (and I fully agree with the reason, just too easy to use a RW map). See the last set of posts in the SW thread "New Game Proposal Thread" for more details. Any suggestions will be appreciated.

PS - Just for laughs, Ward's original AH.com moon world is the moon of this planet. You now all have lunar colonies, though we have no way to reach them yet.:D


Love that idea, real funny Glen.

[Imajin]

What is the area formula? I must have missed it.

[SionEwig]

What is the area formula? I must have missed it.

It will be changing a bit for the SW game due to a different surface area. But for what people have been doing here, it's in post #38 (0.5176 square kilometers per person in your population). I'll be posting the new amount later when I figure it out.

[Grand_Panjandrum]

To His August Majesty, the Sovereign of Glenish Ecuador

The Republic of Corvidium humbly offers a treaty of friendship, trade, and mutual defence with Glenish Ecuador. Together, our nations can work for a better world. While we are a small nation, we are industrious and hardy people. Our chalets eagerly wait to welcome the people of Glenish Ecuador. Along with this treaty, the Republic sends a raven of the utmost pedigree, from the Princeps' own coterie, and a intricate clockwork model of the Old City Sector of Corvidium, featuring the Citadel of the Principate, the Senatatorial Palace, the Tower of the Magisterium, the National Theatre, the University of Corvidium, and the Central Forum and Agora, all connected by a functioning miniature tramway. Our fondest regards to you.

Respectfully yours,
His Excellency, the Princeps of the Republic of Corvidium

[Locke]

So the continents WILL be the same as earth's? So presumably, there will also be the same water to land ratio. Well, I call Greece as the Republic of Atlantica!

[Landshark]

Disagree with both suggestions. You should stick with the post number you had when you first posted in this thread.

Won't work. Unless people made a note of their post count when they entered the thread they won't know what it was.

Then there is the issue of how people get ot choose their land. My thought would be to have it go from smaller countrys to large, with all the advantages the larger nations get, it would be nice for the small ones to finally get some advantage.:D

Rather than people getting to choose their land I'd rather see it allocated on a random basis. That way we won't get all this "I want this island" or "I want that penninsula".

[Glen]

To His August Majesty, the Sovereign of Glenish Ecuador

The Republic of Corvidium humbly offers a treaty of friendship, trade, and mutual defence with Glenish Ecuador. Together, our nations can work for a better world. While we are a small nation, we are industrious and hardy people. Our chalets eagerly wait to welcome the people of Glenish Ecuador. Along with this treaty, the Republic sends a raven of the utmost pedigree, from the Princeps' own coterie, and a intricate clockwork model of the Old City Sector of Corvidium, featuring the Citadel of the Principate, the Senatatorial Palace, the Tower of the Magisterium, the National Theatre, the University of Corvidium, and the Central Forum and Agora, all connected by a functioning miniature tramway. Our fondest regards to you.

Respectfully yours,
His Excellency, the Princeps of the Republic of Corvidium

The People of Glenish Ecuador greet you in friendship and accept your offer of alliance and trade. Your most excellent gift of a high bred Raven, one of the most intelligent animals on the planet, is an auspicious one and we thank you.

[Glen]

Won't work. Unless people made a note of their post count when they entered the thread they won't know what it was.

Point.



Rather than people getting to choose their land I'd rather see it allocated on a random basis. That way we won't get all this "I want this island" or "I want that penninsula".

Though it is a way to get it done fast, without putting the onus on any one person to do all the work of matching land area to member.

[Landshark]

Though it is a way to get it done fast, without putting the onus on any one person to do all the work of matching land area to member.

I've always found the sort of "I got to have this county" thing that goes on a bit annoying. I makes things too easy, people think up their little Utopias and stick them exactly where they want them so they've go everything they need and no problems to deal with.

I can probably think up a reasonably quick system for random land allocation if someone will do an original world map.

Maybe overlay it with a numbered grid that is only released to the mods then let people pick a group of consecutive numbers. The chosen numbers correspond to an area of land.

[Cherico]

The people of Glenish Ecuador would love alliance and a place to visit on vacation. They are a hard working and hard playing people, after all.:D

I welcome this allance, while your in cherico please enjoy our famed
red light district, our gambling tables, and the newly built amusment
park. also sale around our capital city in the canals that act as our
streets. Welcome to the republic of cherico its Las Vegas meets Venice

[SionEwig]

Won't work. Unless people made a note of their post count when they entered the thread they won't know what it was.

Yes, it would as most of them have already said what their populations were. But if not then there should certainly be a cut off time and date.



Rather than people getting to choose their land I'd rather see it allocated on a random basis. That way we won't get all this "I want this island" or "I want that penninsula".

That's why you go with the smallest nations first and then work up to the largest ones. Gives the small ones a bit of something nice since they are at a serious disadvantage otherwise. Especially if RW map is being used. Which I still suggest since that way we will know what resuorces are where, what the climate is like, etc. Unless you want to spend the time doing all of that.

However, I'll go with whatever is decided, just someone make up your mind please. No rush though.:D

[SionEwig]

So the continents WILL be the same as earth's? So presumably, there will also be the same water to land ratio. Well, I call Greece as the Republic of Atlantica!

To quote Glen once again, "NO CLAIMS YET" :D

(how many times have we heard that)

[CaRL]

Glenish Ecuador seeks frienship with all of the AH.com World. We'd much rather reach for the stars than fight in the muck.

I understand fully, and I am seeking an Ally/Trade partner. I am merely preparing for anything that might pop up. My community is small, and for many years, will not be of much help in the growing tech-tree.

[LightInfa]

I can probably think up a reasonably quick system for random land allocation if someone will do an original world map.


Does the map need borders are can it be completely blank?

[SionEwig]

Does the map need borders are can it be completely blank?

I'd think that it would be better without borders, just with all the physical geographical stuff on it. After all, the players would be the ones putting on the borders. It would just need to have these basic guidelines.
surface area (total) - 510,065,600 square kilometers
surface area (land) - 263,976,843 square kilometers
surface area (water) - 246,088,757 square kilometers (that's oceans/seas)

I'll still say that it is easier to go with a RW map.

[NomadicSky]

I'll have 302,000 people. I guess I could call mine the Republic of Isaacsland.

[Glen]

I'd think that it would be better without borders, just with all the physical geographical stuff on it. After all, the players would be the ones putting on the borders. It would just need to have these basic guidelines.
surface area (total) - 510,065,600 square kilometers
surface area (land) - 263,976,843 square kilometers
surface area (water) - 246,088,757 square kilometers (that's oceans/seas)

I'll still say that it is easier to go with a RW map.

It would be better initially with borders, unless you have an easier way to determine how much space de novo drawn borders actually encompass. The nice thing about OTL borders as a starting point is that we can readily get stats on their surface area. Not that you have to follow them entirely, just enough to add up to your allotted surface area.

[Aozhouhuaren]

Ok for National economy, I agree annual income is too personal, why not multiply the number of letters in your user name by a billion, if your nation has over a million in population. Multiply by a hundred million if your nation has under a million in population and 10 million if your nation has under 100 thousand.:D

So for example, Glen's national economy would be around 4 billion dollars, pretty shitty for a nation of 12 million IIRC, but then again it's the 1930, so $330 GDP per capita is decent and as the game progresses, economies will grow anyway.

This is pure luck, if you happen to have a large user name, your nation might be prosperous, I can only think if Flocc played this game, his national economy would be huge if it was in this format.

[SionEwig]

It would be better initially with borders, unless you have an easier way to determine how much space de novo drawn borders actually encompass. The nice thing about OTL borders as a starting point is that we can readily get stats on their surface area. Not that you have to follow them entirely, just enough to add up to your allotted surface area.

Glen, it should be very easy to put a scale on the map of the "new" world. You could do an overlay grid that was being suggested to be able to randomly assign territorys, with each square being of "x" area.

But I agree with you fully about using the RW map instead. Just so much easier all around.

[The Dean]

As long as I end up with a bit of coast I don't mind where I am, no wait a minute , I want a harbour that is free of ice all year.

[Landshark]

This is the way my thinking was going.

Each hexagon would receive a letter and a number.

The letter would relate to where it was on the map, say A would be North Western Europe, (Britain, Northern France, the Low Countries and Western Germany, B would be South Western Europe, (Iberia, Southern France, Western Italy), C would be Central Europe, (Austria, Switzerland, Hungary, Czechoslovakia, Southern Germany and Southern Poland)

The number would relate to a specific hexagon.

Players would be given a set number of hexagons depending on their population. They would then be told what the letter relates to so if they wanted a country in North Western Europe they'd pick A, then they'd be asked to pick a sequence of consecutive numbers.

The random element would be in the numbers.

Someone could want the British Isles but by picking 1,2,3,4,5 they could end up with an area straddling the Franco-German boarder and the coast of Normandy.

That's my idea anyway, though it may be over complex.

[Landshark]

Ok for National economy, I agree annual income is too personal, why not multiply the number of letters in your user name by a billion, if your nation has over a million in population. Multiply by a hundred million if your nation has under a million in population and 10 million if your nation has under 100 thousand.:D

So for example, Glen's national economy would be around 4 billion dollars, pretty shitty for a nation of 12 million IIRC, but then again it's the 1930, so $330 GDP per capita is decent and as the game progresses, economies will grow anyway.

This is pure luck, if you happen to have a large user name, your nation might be prosperous, I can only think if Flocc played this game, his national economy would be huge if it was in this format.

What about an economy based on length of board membership?

The longer you've been here the more cash you get, countries belonging to people who've been here for a couple of years would be like England and France, old and established, while countries belonging to people who've only been here a few months would be like the post colonial and post Communist developing world.

[Aozhouhuaren]

What about an economy based on length of board membership?

The longer you've been here the more cash you get, countries belonging to people who've been here for a couple of years would be like England and France, old and established, while countries belonging to people who've only been here a few months would be like the post colonial and post Communist developing world.

But what about nations like China and India that are both old and established and are post-colonial and post-communist ( well China, sorta is) and developing.
I think working out an economy system for this game would be very interesting and I gather that since the water-land ratios aren't the same as Earth, the planet isn't based on Earth at all.

[SionEwig]

This is the way my thinking was going.

Each hexagon would receive a letter and a number.

The letter would relate to where it was on the map, say A would be North Western Europe, (Britain, Northern France, the Low Countries and Western Germany, B would be South Western Europe, (Iberia, Southern France, Western Italy), C would be Central Europe, (Austria, Switzerland, Hungary, Czechoslovakia, Southern Germany and Southern Poland)

The number would relate to a specific hexagon.

Players would be given a set number of hexagons depending on their population. They would then be told what the letter relates to so if they wanted a country in North Western Europe they'd pick A, then they'd be asked to pick a sequence of consecutive numbers.

The random element would be in the numbers.

Someone could want the British Isles but by picking 1,2,3,4,5 they could end up with an area straddling the Franco-German boarder and the coast of Normandy.

That's my idea anyway, though it may be over complex.

Just to make sure I got this, the letter would be known, so if you wanted NW Europe you would pick "A" (using your example), but the exact numer of the hexes is unknown, so you might not know exactly where in NW Europe you would get. Is that right? And hopefully the numbers would be consecutive so that no one gets scattered all over the place. But what happens if people as for the same numbers? Or more people ask for territory than there is in an area? (I suppose then the mods could decide) The other problem I see is that a number of the hexes are covering a good bit of water and very little land, so someone could easily get stuck with not much land and lots of water just by bad luck.

But basically your idea is workable and not that complex. I do think that if a RW map is going to be used, then it's just easier to let people choose their territory. If you want it to be random, then everyone who wishes to play can guess a random number and those closest to it get to pick first.

[Landshark]

But what about nations like China and India that are both old and established and are post-colonial and post-communist ( well China, sorta is) and developing.

It would depend on the poster. A country of a newb who's racked up a high post count in a short time would be like China, big population but not really massively wealthy (China's not the bast example here as it is a fairly rich country but with the wealth concentrated in a relatively small cliche), while someone who's built up a high post count over a couple of years, like Glen, would be say the USA, populous and rich.

[Landshark]

Just to make sure I got this, the letter would be known, so if you wanted NW Europe you would pick "A" (using your example), but the exact numer of the hexes is unknown, so you might not know exactly where in NW Europe you would get. Is that right?

That's correct.

And hopefully the numbers would be consecutive so that no one gets scattered all over the place.

It'd be a condiction that you pick consecutive numbers.

But what happens if people as for the same numbers?

There'd have to be a system of turns, perhaps the simplest way is for a mod to pick names out of a hat. Whoever is picked first gets first pick and so on.

Or more people ask for territory than there is in an area? (I suppose then the mods could decide)

That should be taken care of by the lottery system I described above.

The other problem I see is that a number of the hexes are covering a good bit of water and very little land, so someone could easily get stuck with not much land and lots of water just by bad luck.

This map is just an example to show how it could work. On the actual one we could use smaller hexes for a tighter fit.

From my thinking the easiest way to do this is for someone to create a map, one of the map makers may do it for us or they may areadly have a spare map laying around, the map gets cover in a grid, printed out, numbered and lettered by hand, (unless someone's got a program that allows the overlay of a numbered grid on a picture) and then scanned back into the computer. After that the mods take the names of everyone who wants to participate, writes them down and sticks them in a container. The mod draws a name and whoever it is gets to pick the first set of numbers.

[Bmao]

I have realized that the majority of the members on AH.com, the ones who visit regularly, have on average around 200-500 posts, so in other words 'too large to be an insane asylum, but not large enough to be a country'. After adding all the posts ever posted on AH.com, this would provide a 'world population' of around 1 billion. There are only a handful of members (ie: Glen, Thande, Chris, etc.,) who have enough posts to have self-sufficient national states, so most members will have the equivalent of a city-state, or a little rump state (think one of the many little dukedoms in the hodgepodge German states of the 16th and 17th century).

Maybe that in order to form a viable nation state, the members with lower number of posts would have to join together to form some sort of confederation in order to increase population, resources and potential military power. Its the only hope for the members with fewer posts to have any chance of competing with the Glens, Thandes, etc.

[SionEwig]

I have realized that the majority of the members on AH.com, the ones who visit regularly, have on average around 200-500 posts, so in other words 'too large to be an insane asylum, but not large enough to be a country'. After adding all the posts ever posted on AH.com, this would provide a 'world population' of around 1 billion. There are only a handful of members (ie: Glen, Thande, Chris, etc.,) who have enough posts to have self-sufficient national states, so most members will have the equivalent of a city-state, or a little rump state (think one of the many little dukedoms in the hodgepodge German states of the 16th and 17th century).

Maybe that in order to form a viable nation state, the members with lower number of posts would have to join together to form some sort of confederation in order to increase population, resources and potential military power. Its the only hope for the members with fewer posts to have any chance of competing with the Glens, Thandes, etc.

Actually just over 500 million for the population since just under half the posts are in Chat and Non-political Chat and are not counted in anyones totals. There are 123 members who's post total would give them a population of at least 1 million and since it is 1930 for the tech, even smaller isn't that bad and workable. But overall you are correct in that the smaller would need to cooperate together (that's one option) to have a better chance of competing (but then who say's it is a competition or that only one can win ;) ).

[Locke]

So, something like a global North German Confederation?

[LightInfa]

Ok, here is world map with a hex grid covering it, if we are using that system.

[stevep]

Guys

Sorry but you will have to count me out. Good fun discussing various ideas but I don't really have the time I think would be involved for something like this. [Already spend far too long on this site.:):o]

Steve

[Glen]

Ok, here is world map with a hex grid covering it, if we are using that system.

What's the scale? How many square kilometers is one hex?

[LightInfa]

What's the scale? How many square kilometers is one hex?

I do not know, but I will try to figure that out.

[Cherico]

Can I have Cuba or Putorico?

[Glen]

What's the scale? How many square kilometers is one hex?

Looks like one hex would about fix Sardinia or Sicily. That would put them at about 25,000 Km. Is that right?

[LightInfa]

Looks like one hex would about fix Sardinia or Sicily. That would put them at about 25,000 Km. Is that right?

Sardinia's about 24,000 square kilometers so that is about right.

[CaRL]

Can I have Cuba or Putorico?

Sorry, they said no claims as of yet...

[SionEwig]

Looks like one hex would about fix Sardinia or Sicily. That would put them at about 25,000 Km. Is that right?

Sardinia's about 24,000 square kilometers so that is about right.

Good eye-balling you two.:) By measurement, I came up with 22,056 sq. km.

Going with the 500 million for the total population, and earth land area at 148,939,000 sq. km., that gives 0.2979 sq. km. for each person, or 279.9 sq. km. for each post.:) So each hex on that map would be just over 74 posts worth of people.

I still don't see the need to do it randomly and have a lottery for who gets to submit their numbers first.

Simply either have a lottery and let people choose their territory, it's not like we can't see what the areas are. Or (and I still prefer this method) choose based on size of country, from smallest to largest. Give the small countries some advantage in this.

[Glen]

Good eye-balling you two.:) By measurement, I came up with 22,056 sq. km.

Going with the 500 million for the total population, and earth land area at 148,939,000 sq. km., that gives 0.2979 sq. km. for each person, or 279.9 sq. km. for each post.:) So each hex on that map would be just over 74 posts worth of people.

I still don't see the need to do it randomly and have a lottery for who gets to submit their numbers first.

Simply either have a lottery and let people choose their territory, it's not like we can't see what the areas are. Or (and I still prefer this method) choose based on size of country, from smallest to largest. Give the small countries some advantage in this.


Let's make it simple. 100 sq km per post. That's a population density of 10 people per square kilometer, which is pretty roomy.

[SionEwig]

Let's make it simple. 100 sq km per post. That's a population density of 10 people per square kilometer, which is pretty roomy.


Ok, though that is really going to cut the areas of the countries. If you will go back and look, my fuss wasn't about the size, but the method for assigning locations. If we're using the RW map, then I see no reason to put up a grid and randomly assign the territories. Just have either a lottery for people to choose or (I still think this is better) go with it from smallest area to largest.

[Landshark]

I have to say I'm not keen on using a RW map, makes it seem too much like Mosaic Earth.

[Glen]

Well....we could take that nice globe with the hexes on it, get rid of the continents, and people could make their own continents and islands based on how many hexes they get on their population.

Anything less than a sixth of a hex gets a dotlike island or a city/village in someone else's land.

[Landshark]

Well....we could take that nice globe with the hexes on it, get rid of the continents, and people could make their own continents and islands based on how many hexes they get on their population.

That could work well.

[SionEwig]

I have to say I'm not keen on using a RW map, makes it seem too much like Mosaic Earth.

You are right, but it is just so easy.

Well....we could take that nice globe with the hexes on it, get rid of the continents, and people could make their own continents and islands based on how many hexes they get on their population.

Anything less than a sixth of a hex gets a dotlike island or a city/village in someone else's land.

Hmmm, interesting idea, but how many people are less than good at map making? I know my skills doing such on a computer are rather lacking (like completely nonexistant :D ).

What we need is just to find a fictional world map and go with that.

[Locke]

I posted one previously, not sure if you guys liked it.

[SionEwig]

I posted one previously, not sure if you guys liked it.


This one?

http://alternatehistory.com/discussion/attachment.php?attachmentid=12609&d=1146875669

If so, the continents and such look fine, but the map itself is almost impossible to read. If someone were to take it and make it more readable, then I'd say yes.

[Locke]

Except I didn't make it. Its suposed tto be a view of a planet from space-the continents are white, the oceans light blue, and black space should be, well, black. I dont have Microsoft Paint though so I cant do anything about it.

[Landshark]

You are right, but it is just so easy.

Sometimes harder is better though and we're not really talking about anything more than a little extra mental effort.

Hmmm, interesting idea, but how many people are less than good at map making? I know my skills doing such on a computer are rather lacking (like completely nonexistant :D ).

I can see how it can work (see example map)

What we need is just to find a fictional world map and go with that.

We could check out the map threads to see if there's anything spare.

[SionEwig]

Sometimes harder is better though and we're not really talking about anything more than a little extra mental effort.



I can see how it can work (see example map)



We could check out the map threads to see if there's anything spare.

Map looks good to me, just y'all decide on whatever and let me know how it will work so I can fairly mod it.:D

[Aozhouhuaren]

So I figured out I have around 72000 sq km by Earth system and round 147000 sq km by the other fictional earth system, so which one will it be?

AS for population growth, may I suggest a mandatory period where the growth rate, is your post rate in a percentage (if you are in single digits), your post rate divided by 2 or 3 if your post rate is in double digits. After the period, you can change the growth rate as you so wish as long as its in a reasonable range.

For example, my post rate is around 1.6, so my population will grow at 1.6% for the duration of the mandatory period. Perhaps 20 posts (years/months/days?), so basically 258000(1.016)^20, at the end of the 20 posts, my population, will be around 354000.

[LightInfa]

I will attempt to make a new world map. Hopefully, I will have something done sometime later today.

[SionEwig]

I will attempt to make a new world map. Hopefully, I will have something done sometime later today.

Excellent! Do it up and post that