DME Map & Claiming of Nation

[DuQuense]

Please let me know if this is Correct now [LeeJ/Landshark which get NA 4?]

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General Paul - EU 7 Nazi Germany ~OTL
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Wingmaster- NA 2 Quebec , EU 10- Baltic States, NA 8- Caribean
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Domunis Novus- EU8- Poland/Hungurary, EU13- Greece/Turkey, EU
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Ward- SA 5-Agentina/Chile, SA 4-Peru,
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Gedca- EU 4-Spain
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Mickey- AS 6-Japan
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Cockroach- OC 5-New South Wales, OC 6- New Zealand,
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Grey Wolf- EU 14-Spitzenberen/Iceland/Faroes
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Duquense- AS4- Amur/Sahalkin, ME 5-Lebenon/Palistine
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LeeJ -EU 1-England, NA 4- New England
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Land Shark- EU 5-France, NA 3- West Coast
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[WngMasterD]

Very Nice. :D

[DominusNovus]

Do i get Iceland too? :D
Careful, don't let Grey hear that...

Anyway, I just want to clarify what's coming from OTL.
From the rough map, it appears that its:
The Third Reich
Slovakia
Hungary
Netherlads
Slovakia and Hungary were Axis allies, so thats simple enough. I'm gonna guess that the Germans will probably go after the Netherlands pretty quickly, since they actually know what they're up against...

EDIT: It looks like Switzerland's in there too...
Damned Swiss.

[WngMasterD]

I looked at the map, saw a 2 in iceland, and got excited. Sorry

[Landshark]

I actually want NA3, I was going off the first map in the Chat forum when I claimed it.

[Grey Wolf]

Iceland is independent (haven't worked out if its a monarchy, but it seems likely considering the ATL backstory) and has suzerainty over the Faeroes

Spitzbergen is an independent Scottish-populated aristocratic republic, accepting nominal Icelandic sovereignty but not bowing to demands for more

Grey Wolf

[perdedor99]

Can I claim Italy?

[perdedor99]

Can I have the PI Islands?

[DominusNovus]

Can I have the PI Islands?
Could've sworn someone claimed them, but I guess they're open now.

[WngMasterD]

What is the PI islands?

Pure refrence:
Baltic states: Baltic Confederation

NA2 (Quebec& greenland): Newfoundland, USA-Canada, New Iceland, and the Comonwealth of Arctic Ocean Islands AKA Baffin Commonwealth

Carribean: The British West Indnies (Territory)

If anyone has NA1, WOuld you mind if i had the canadian arctic islands?

[Imajin]

Could I have AF6 and NA7?

[DuQuense]

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Perdedor99- EU 7-Italy, OC 1-Phillipines
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Imajin - AF 6- Congo, NA 7- central America
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[Cockroach]

Just wondering if it could be possible to expand OC 5 to take in a bit more of Australia's east coast?

Now onto details about my countries:

Union of Pacific Dominions
Consists of: The Commonwealth of Australia (OC 5) and the Domonion of New Zealand (OC 6)
Population (pre ISOT in brackets):8.6 million (12.3 million) and 1.5 million (1.5. million)
Military:
Airforce: 125 Kingsford Smith [KS-3] Dingo close support aircraft (a two seat biplane armed with 2 .303" guns and a 20mm cannon and capable of carrying 500 pounds of bombs); 60 Hawker Cyclone fighters (radial engined varient of the Hurricane, 6 .303" MGs, top speed of 520 km/h, see attatched image); 50 Handley Page Hampden medium bombers (stats as per OTL); 75 Kingsford Smith [KS-4] Anzac light fighters ( 4 .303" MGs, max speed of 460 km/h)
Army: 35000 active and 125000 reserve infantry, 5000 active and 15000 reserve cavalry (light horse, lancers and mounted infantry), 25 Matilda II (http://www.wwiivehicles.com/html/unitedkingdom/matilda.html) infantry tanks, 50 Vickers Medium Mk IIA medium tanks (http://www.wwiivehicles.com/html/unitedkingdom/mk_ii_medium.html), 65 Vicker Light Tanks Mk VI (http://www.wwiivehicles.com/html/unitedkingdom/light_tanks_mk_vi.html), 5 Australian Heavy Tank Mk 1 "Wombat" with more under construction (1 12 pounder QF naval gun and 1 .303" Vickers MG in turret, 1 .303" Lewis anti-aircraft MG mounted on top of turret; armor thickness varying between 15 mm and 65 mm; top speed of 43 km/h on road and 25 km/h off road)
Navy: 2 Battlecruisers (HMAS New South Wales and HMAS Tasmania (http://warshipprojects.board.dk3.com/2/viewtopic.php?t=1217)), 1 Battleship under construction (HMNZS New Zealand), 1 carrier (HMAS Albatross, 45 aircraft capacity), 4 heavy cruisers, 6 light cruisers, 24 destroyers, 15 sloops
History:
Settlement of Australia occured in 1785. Unlike OTL Federation between the Australian colonies was achieved earlier (1893) and New Zealand joined in 1905. Royal Australian Navy (RAN) formed in 1896 consisting of 2 armored cruisers, 3 light cruisers, 6 torpedo boat destroyers and assorted left overs from the small colonial navies. A sizable force was dispatched to both the Boer war and Boxer Rebellion, both forces gave a good acount of themselves. Aquired the Battlecruisers HMAS Australia and HMNZS New Zealand in 1907, orders for 3 new battlecruisers were placed shortly there after (see link to HMAS NSW), one was later transfered to the RN, HMAS NSW was completed in 1914 and did not arrive in Australia until post WW1 and HMAS Tasmania was delayed until post war. Upon decleration of WW1 in 1914 the RAN and New Zealand Squadron (NZS) started opperations to eliminate German pocessions and the German East Asian Squadron culminating in the Battle of Rabul which resulted in the destruction of Nurnberg, Dresden, Gneisenau and von Spee's flagship Scharnhorst but cost the RAN the loss of the armored cruisers HMAS Melbourne and HMAS Protector. Australian and New Zealand troops were disptached to the middle east and played a vital role in the capture of the Dardenelles. These troops were redeployed to France their career their being much like OTL. The RAN and NZS later joined the RN for opperations in European waters forming the Dominion Battle Squadron (DBS) consisting of the 3 battlecruisers in commision at the time. The DBS was engaged in numerous opperations. At Jutland HMAS Australia was severaly damaged and HMAS New South Wales was credited with sinking a German battleship. During DBS was also engaged in the destruction of the sortie of parts of the High Seas Fleet just after the armistance but HMNZS was sunk with all hand by what was belived to be a magazine explosion. Post war both Australia and New Zealand managed to heavily industrialise.

[DuQuense]

Didn't realize anyone was this far along , Please expand your economic picture a little, and move to posting Thread. Please, Thanx.

This is the Area from SME, and I didn't change it. You will have to Negotiate your Northeast Border with OC-4, when claimed.

[Cockroach]

Didn't realize anyone was this far along , Please expand your economic picture a little, and move to posting Thread. Please, Thanx.

This is the Area from SME, and I didn't change it. You will have to Negotiate your Northeast Border with OC-4, when claimed.
Yep reposted it in the correct topic.
Also having OC4 take up about 4/5ths of Australia seems a bit excessive, even if you don't expand OC5 I think we could do with an sddtional nation in Australia to take up a bit of space.

[Tetsu]

I'd like NA 5 (Mexico).

[WngMasterD]

What is the PI islands?

If anyone has NA1, WOuld you mind if i had the canadian arctic islands?

COul i expand NA2 to include them?

[DuQuense]

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tetsu-katana- NA 5 Mexico
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[TheLoneAmigo]

Can I have NA6: Dominions of Virginia, Florida and Louisiana?

If not, I'll take NA3 as the northern states of the USM.

[DuQuense]

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General Paul - EU 7 Nazi Germany ~OTL
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Wingmaster- NA 2 Quebec , EU 10- Baltic States, NA 8- Caribean
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Domunis Novus- EU8- Poland/Hungurary, EU13- Greece/Turkey, EU
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Ward- SA 5-Agentina/Chile, SA 4-Peru,
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Gedca- EU 4-Spain
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Mickey- AS 6-Japan
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Cockroach- OC 5-New South Wales, OC 6- New Zealand,
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Grey Wolf- EU 14-Spitzenberen/Iceland/Faroes
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Duquense- AS4- Amur/Sahalkin, ME 5-Lebenon/Palistine
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LeeJ -EU 1-England, NA 4- New England
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Land Shark- EU 5-France, NA 3- West Coast
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Perdedor99- EU 7-Italy, OC 1-Phillipines
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Imajin - AF 6- Congo, NA 7- central America
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tetsu-katana- NA 5- Mexico
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Lone Amigo- NA 6- US South
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[DuQuense]

EDIT: It looks like Switzerland's in there too...
Damned Swiss.

Assume that the Swiss cantons go with their language Groups as part of that zone.

[Condottiero]

Has anyone claimed AF1?

If not, I'll put there my flag...

[DuQuense]

Monday /27 /2300 hr/ EST

[General_Paul]

I am officially taking control of Nazi Germany and her "protectorates" all over the world. thanks!

[General_Paul]

In response to this, we are also extending a protectorate over all of the netherlands, and their immediate colonial intersts, this is for the best of all nations.

[DominusNovus]

In response to this, we are also extending a protectorate over all of the netherlands, and their immediate colonial intersts, this is for the best of all nations.
What're the Dutch's opinions on this?

[General_Paul]

If the "dutch" have an opinion, then the reich's army would be more than happy than to "facilitate" this. Oh, and by the way, does anyone know of any large uranium deposits in mainland europe?

[Cockroach]

General_Paul, please wait a bit longer before declaring 99.999999999999999999999999999999999% of the world as one of your "protectorates" since we have not had the thing going long enough for everybody to sign up.
But should Holland remain unclaimed don't count on being able to aquire the Dutch East Indies, I have a fleet ready to prevent any such attempt...
Edit: If we are going to be able to tack extra territory onto our nations I lay claim to OC4, Western Australia

[General_Paul]

Well, then in that case, if we can claim extra territories, I'd like to claim India/Pakistan/Burma as my own. Just as a little "vacation" spot, for the fuhrer. Anyways, if no one claims france, the german armed forces are more then happy than to occupy this area, along with the netherlands. Because, as we all know, the fuhrer likes his lebansraum!

[DuQuense]

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Condottiero-AF 1- Morrocco
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General Paul- AS 8 - India
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Cockroach- OC 4- Austriala
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[Grey Wolf]

I thought Peter had France

And how can the OTL Nazi Germany have India ???

Let's not get too silly or it will lose all attraction

Grey Wolf

[General_Paul]

No, I just claimed it for an other country of mine, I'm not pursuing colonial interests in India, I actually want to run an other indian country, thank you very much!

[Grey Wolf]

No, I just claimed it for an other country of mine, I'm not pursuing colonial interests in India, I actually want to run an other indian country, thank you very much!

Well, it wasn't what you said. Do you assume that an ATL India would easily enter an alliance with the Nazis ? I won't say its impossible but it seems generally unlikely.

Grey Wolf

[DominusNovus]

Well, it wasn't what you said. Do you assume that an ATL India would easily enter an alliance with the Nazis ? I won't say its impossible but it seems generally unlikely.

Grey Wolf
I'd hate to see it happen, but, they do both have an Aryan fetish...

[Imajin]

Hm, I might claim EU9 for a chunk of my Boston Peace Conference TL (I'm guessing it would be Austria-Hungary (Bosnia-Herzegovnia), Serbia, Montenegro, and the Ottoman Empire...) However, I like my "stranded colonies" in Africa... Hm, I have a new idea, claim EU9.

[DominusNovus]

Come on, whats with all these zones that diverge in the 20th century? Get adventurous, people! That ruins alot of the shock value.

[Landshark]

Come on, whats with all these zones that diverge in the 20th century? Get adventurous, people! That ruins alot of the shock value.

I agree. No offence to whoever's got it but an Italy with Mussolini isn't going Hitler the same WTF moment as a surviving Roman Empire or a Caliphate of Al Italia.

[WngMasterD]

Ill take NA or SA 1 (Supprise me) and AF 10. I have a few WTF things

[Midgard]

OK, I realize I have not participated in the last ME, but can I claim EU13 as the surviving Byzantine Empire where Manzikert has never happened? The basic idea behind the civilization is to have the society which has long been shielded from any outside threats, considering the rest of the world barbaric, underdeveloped technologically and socially, and completely averse to change - therefore the technology is a mix of XIXth and early XXth century ideas, while the social structure is still at the level of the absolute monarchy, somewhat similar to pre-1917 Russia or to France before the Revolution.

The Empire has long been content with the possessions and the technology it has, and due to the relatively low level of development in their TL are not risking any change, however, the "event" might change this, as the nations the Byzantines thought of as undisciplined, savage barbarians suddenly appear to be much stronger, advanced, and strange than anyone has remembered... the basis is that the Empire has the resources and even the time to change, but does it have a will to do so?

I think this could make for at least a fascinating experiment, if anything.

[WngMasterD]

Ill put the last two i claimed back in.

If we start without someone taking it, ill take Madagascar thou

[Grimm Reaper]

What's left to take?

[DominusNovus]

OK, I realize I have not participated in the last ME, but can I claim EU13 as the surviving Byzantine Empire where Manzikert has never happened? The basic idea behind the civilization is to have the society which has long been shielded from any outside threats, considering the rest of the world barbaric, underdeveloped technologically and socially, and completely averse to change - therefore the technology is a mix of XIXth and early XXth century ideas, while the social structure is still at the level of the absolute monarchy, somewhat similar to pre-1917 Russia or to France before the Revolution.

The Empire has long been content with the possessions and the technology it has, and due to the relatively low level of development in their TL are not risking any change, however, the "event" might change this, as the nations the Byzantines thought of as undisciplined, savage barbarians suddenly appear to be much stronger, advanced, and strange than anyone has remembered... the basis is that the Empire has the resources and even the time to change, but does it have a will to do so?

I think this could make for at least a fascinating experiment, if anything.
I called EU 13 already.

[Grey Wolf]

OK, I realize I have not participated in the last ME, but can I claim EU13 as the surviving Byzantine Empire where Manzikert has never happened? The basic idea behind the civilization is to have the society which has long been shielded from any outside threats, considering the rest of the world barbaric, underdeveloped technologically and socially, and completely averse to change - therefore the technology is a mix of XIXth and early XXth century ideas, while the social structure is still at the level of the absolute monarchy, somewhat similar to pre-1917 Russia or to France before the Revolution.

The Empire has long been content with the possessions and the technology it has, and due to the relatively low level of development in their TL are not risking any change, however, the "event" might change this, as the nations the Byzantines thought of as undisciplined, savage barbarians suddenly appear to be much stronger, advanced, and strange than anyone has remembered... the basis is that the Empire has the resources and even the time to change, but does it have a will to do so?

I think this could make for at least a fascinating experiment, if anything.

You could call EU12 as the more Northerly provinces of such an empire

Grey Wolf

[Cockroach]

Having been granted control of both nations on the Australian continent I decided I would start with a redistribution of boarders and would also add an additional empty area incase anyone wanted it

[Midgard]

My bad, would EU12 work as the portion of such an Empire? If so, would Constantinople be in EU12 or EU13? That could make for an interesting scenario...

I called EU 13 already.

[DominusNovus]

My bad, would EU12 work as the portion of such an Empire? If so, would Constantinople be in EU12 or EU13? That could make for an interesting scenario...
It appears to be in mine. It would definately be an interesting scenario, as I'm probably going with some sort of early arab conquest. Just figuring out how to keep Christianity a sizable minority in the empire.

[DuQuense]

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NA 1- - ------- -{ Alaska/NW Canada}
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NA 2- WingmasterD- Canada {Quebec}-British Canada {Labodor/Newfoundland}-Hell{Greenland}
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NA 3- Landshark - {WestCoast}
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NA4 -LeeJ- -- -{US North}
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NA 5- Tetsu Katana- {Mexico}
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NA 6-Lone Amigo- The Southern Dominions {US South}
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NA 7- Imajin-Union Western Republics {Cental America}
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NA 8-WingmasterD- British West Indies {Caribean}
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SA 1- - ------- - {Gran Columbia}
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SA 2- --------- - {Brazil}
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SA 3- - -------- - {NE Coast}
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SA 4- Ward- -- - {Peru}
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SA 5- Ward- -- - {Argentina}
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EU 2- Duquense-United Nordic Kingdoms -{Scanadivia}
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EU 4- Gedca--- - {Spain]
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EU 5- Landshark- -- -{France/Belguim}
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EU 6- Perdedor 99- Kingdom of Italy-{Italy/Corsica}
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EU 7- General Paul- Germany {OTL Third Reich}
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EU 8-Dominus Novus- Imperial Roman Union-{Poland}
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EU 9- Imajin – Kingdom of Hungury/Archduchy of Austria- {Yugoslavia/Hungury}
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EU 10-WingmasterD- Baltic Confederation- {Luthinia/Latvia/Estonia}
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EU 11- - ---- -{Russia}
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EU 12-Midgardmetal- Byzanitum -{Romania}
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EU 13-Dominus Novus- --- -{Turkey/Greece}
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EU 14- Grey Wolf- Iceland-Spitzberen
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AF 3- - ------- - {Ethiopia}
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AF 5- - ------- -{Ivory Coast}
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AF 6- Imajin-Imperial Royal Terriories of New Austria-{Congo}
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AF 7- - ------- -{Angola}
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AF 10- - ------ -{Madagascar}
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ME 4- - -------- -{Persia}
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ME 5- Duquense- Lebanon-Palastine
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AS 2- -------- -{Pakastan}
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AS 3- - ------- -{China}
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AS 4-Duquense- Republic of Japan -{Amur/Manchukuo}
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AS 6- - ------- -{Japan}
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AS 7- - ------- -{Tibet/Nepal}
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AS 8- General Paul---- -{India}
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AS 9- - ------- -{Siam/Indochina}
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OC 2- - -------- -{Indonisia}
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OC 3- - ------- -{Paupa New Guinia}
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OC 4- Cockroach- New Holland -{ Western Austrila}
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OC 5- Cockroach- Union Pacific Dominions- {Eastern Austrila}
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OC 6- Cockroach- Union Pacific Dominions- {New Zealand}
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OC 7- - -------- -{South Sea Islands}
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[DominusNovus]

Hey, Midgard. Just clarifying our respective zones' border. Its basicly the same as the border of 1939 Rumania, right? Follows the Dniester then drops down to 1939 Hungary (from OTL).

[Midgard]

Sounds good, I think it is definitely workable. The Empire then would have a territory about the modern Moldova (OTL) or so, with parts of OTL Hungary, which should work well with the whole idea of a great power going through a rude awakening of sorts :-)

Hey, Midgard. Just clarifying our respective zones' border. Its basicly the same as the border of 1939 Rumania, right? Follows the Dniester then drops down to 1939 Hungary (from OTL).

[DominusNovus]

Sounds good, I think it is definitely workable. The Empire then would have a territory about the modern Moldova (OTL) or so, with parts of OTL Hungary, which should work well with the whole idea of a great power going through a rude awakening of sorts :-)

Actually, OTL Hungary was transported along with the Third Reich.
The areas from OTL are:
Greater Germany
Slovakia
Hungary
Switzerland
Netherlands

We'll have to figure out our southern border too. Since I've got Greece and Turkey, I figure you basicly end up with Rumania and Bulgaria, and whatever parts of Yugoslavia you work out with Imajin. This basicly leaves me with exactly the OTL Greek and Turkish borders. If its alright, I'd like to extend the greek border up a little north (not much, just a little). Just looks to thin to me.

[Midgard]

I am thinking the southern border being the Balkan mountains - essentially you will end up with the southern portion of Bulgaria including Plovdiv and Sofia, whereas Varna and everything north of the mountains is going to be mine. I would also claim the Eastern portion of OTL Romania, bordered by the Olt River and the Carpathian Mountains in the west, Dniester River in the North and the Black Sea in the East. I would not lay claim to any parts of Yugoslavia. Sorry about the confusion earlier, hope this clarifies things up.


We'll have to figure out our southern border too. Since I've got Greece and Turkey, I figure you basicly end up with Rumania and Bulgaria, and whatever parts of Yugoslavia you work out with Imajin. This basicly leaves me with exactly the OTL Greek and Turkish borders. If its alright, I'd like to extend the greek border up a little north (not much, just a little). Just looks to thin to me.

[Grey Wolf]

I am thinking the southern border being the Balkan mountains - essentially you will end up with the southern portion of Bulgaria including Plovdiv and Sofia, whereas Varna and everything north of the mountains is going to be mine. I would also claim the Eastern portion of OTL Romania, bordered by the Olt River and the Carpathian Mountains in the west, Dniester River in the North and the Black Sea in the East. I would not lay claim to any parts of Yugoslavia. Sorry about the confusion earlier, hope this clarifies things up.

Those geographical borders definitely make sense to me :) Whilst some would be pre-ISOT outer frontiers, others would be pre-ISOT internal provincial boundaries. All told, you get a nice compacy defensible province, or super-province with a regent over the smaller governors

Grey Wolf

[DuQuense]

Take a look at this I said you would have to talk to eash other about my drawing but maybe this will help, Its what I was going for

Let me Know How you see it different.

[Grey Wolf]

Hungary is in region 9, in case no one has noticed

Grey Wolf

[Imajin]

Hm, so I should have Hungary-Austria's capital stay in Buda-Pest... No point in moving the capital to Sarajevo when the old ones still there...

[Cockroach]

Just wondering if anyone else is willing to set up a nation in the Pacific, other than my two nations it is looking very empty..

[DominusNovus]

I thought that Hungary was going to be part of the OTL zone...

I'd prefer it that way, just so Germany has a better chance (cuz we all know that we're not gonna be nice to the nazis).

Also, can I have my zone extend to the Dnieper? Here's my idea of it:

[WngMasterD]

Just wondering if anyone else is willing to set up a nation in the Pacific, other than my two nations it is looking very empty..

I would be intrested. Any WTF ideas?

[Cockroach]

I would be intrested. Any WTF ideas?
About the craziest idea I can think of would be some kind of well developed local civilisation. If you want to go with a more conventional option I would suggest some German Pacific colonies (in OTL the Aussies and Japs nicked them at the start of WW1)

[WngMasterD]

Micronesia; an Jewish homeland?
(That was my idea for madagascar, but i can fiddle around with the TL)

Canadian Colonies in the pacific,

I like the idea of an isolated, high tech civilization. Ill bat the idea around

[Grey Wolf]

I thought that Hungary was going to be part of the OTL zone...

I'd prefer it that way, just so Germany has a better chance (cuz we all know that we're not gonna be nice to the nazis).

Also, can I have my zone extend to the Dnieper? Here's my idea of it:

If I take Russia, I would have no problem with this. It is clear that Russia is going to lose its Western frontier in it not being ISOT'ed with the rest of the empire, and to be honest this makes the whole concept far more realistic to me. It fits nicely into the Roman Polish province cut off from the empire, and the North Byzantine province likewise.

Grey Wolf

[Grey Wolf]

OK, I will take Russia IF I can add region Asian 1 to it (Siberia) - it doesn't seem logical to keep it as empty when it can be in play and give the Russian Empire borders with more in-play states. In addition, the ATL Russian Empire is going to have lost MASSES of territory during the ISOT'ing (eg Finland, the Baltics, Poland, S Caucasus, Amur-Maritime province) it seems only fair to give it SOMETHING to play with.

I am happy to accept a Western border post-ISOT'ing at the Dnieper as it makes it easier to see where the frontier is

Ironically, this also makes Russia weaker militarily whilst maintaining its basic underlying strength so I think my fears about having to keep tabs on hundreds of regiments are largely solved by the majority of them having vanished !

If there are no real complaints to
1. my having Russia (Euro zone 11?)
2. my having Asia zone 1 (Siberia) as part of the ISOT'ed Russia
then I'll prepare the timeline for it

Grey Wolf

[DuQuense]

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Gray Wolf- EU 11- - {Russia}
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Gray Wolf- AS 1- -{Siberia}

[DuQuense]

Gray Wolf has Russia, Some one take China-- the last Biggy.

?Didn't someone claim Japan?, I seen to have dropped him from my list

[Midgard]

Looks good to me!

Take a look at this I said you would have to talk to eash other about my drawing but maybe this will help, Its what I was going for

Let me Know How you see it different.

[perdedor99]

Can I pick Brazil?

[DuQuense]

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Perderdor99 - SA 2-Brazil
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?Anyone else?

[G.Bone]

What countries haven't been taken?

If Hawaii hasn't been claimed- I'll take that as well as Korea

[DuQuense]

@ GBone

You can have Hawaii and any other Pacific Island You Want. New Guenia & Indonesia are Seperate But all the South Seas is Unclaimed. Any thing you don't want stays Uninhabited. Whe all are bound by what each other writes about Uninhabited, except if it is to outragious and then whe can call Him on it.

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Gbone--Hawaii/South Seas
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[Ward]

I would like to take the French Pacific Territories of New Caledonia, french Polynesia and Wallis and Futuna .
I would like to take them as they were in 1980's .
See chat for forces .

Let me know if I can have them from the 80's .

[G.Bone]

I would like to claim China

[Condottiero]

Who has AF-5 and AF-4? I do not know if I have southern neighbours.

[WngMasterD]

Im guessing its to late to call a nation

[Grey Wolf]

Who/what is in Alaska or British Columbia ?

Grey Wolf

[WngMasterD]

I do not know, but Canada may be annexing it

EDIT:

I had an idea for a country today in class. Make an area an ISOTed part of a one world opressive government. Ill do it if someone can tell me where i should and if its ok

[Landshark]

I do not know, but Canada may be annexing it

Yeah well don't count your weasels before they pop dink.

Alaska/BC is mine and once France is sorted I'll be on to that. At the moment it's a toss up between Plantagenet America, Zheng He America, Russian West Coast or 90% female Earth. If anyone's got any preferences speak now.

[Grey Wolf]

Yeah well don't count your weasels before they pop dink.

Alaska/BC is mine and once France is sorted I'll be on to that. At the moment it's a toss up between Plantagenet America, Zheng He America, Russian West Coast or 90% female Earth. If anyone's got any preferences speak now.

Well, a Russian America from a different timeline would certainly be quite fascinating from my perspective ! Maybe one where that count R chap in California survives and is the forerunner of Russification of that area, ending up in an entirely Russian West coast before the USA ever gets anywhere near there ? And then just with part of it ISOTed

Grey Wolf

[Landshark]

Well, a Russian America from a different timeline would certainly be quite fascinating from my perspective ! Maybe one where that count R chap in California survives and is the forerunner of Russification of that area, ending up in an entirely Russian West coast before the USA ever gets anywhere near there ? And then just with part of it ISOTed

Grey Wolf

I might go for a Russian Western America and a Tudor Eastern America. Though considering how slowly France is going placing the POD so far back could be risky.

[WngMasterD]

Yeah well don't count your weasels before they pop dink.

Alaska/BC is mine and once France is sorted I'll be on to that. At the moment it's a toss up between Plantagenet America, Zheng He America, Russian West Coast or 90% female Earth. If anyone's got any preferences speak now.

Sorry...


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[DuQuense]

Whe have Siam, Indonesia, and Southern Africa unclaimed , If you think you can handle another one- go for it- expanded German East Africa. -There's a very good but unfinished TL.

[Ward]

Whe have Siam, Indonesia, and Southern Africa unclaimed , If you think you can handle another one- go for it- expanded German East Africa. -There's a very good but unfinished TL.



I would like to take Siam But Call it French IndoChina From the 1947 they did not have jets there if this is all right with you .

The French and Siam would be at war with each other . I have a TOE if Siam at that time and will use the French from that time with a few more ships then they had ,

[WngMasterD]

What ever you dont take, can i have. I wanna try to set up the one world government

[DominusNovus]

Ward:
I don't think we're allowing any places from actually in the future. DuQuense knows for sure.

WMD:
What, all the unclaimed zones? Are you mad man!? :eek: :p

[Ward]

Ward:
I don't think we're allowing any places from actually in the future. DuQuense knows for sure.

WMD:
What, all the unclaimed zones? Are you mad man!? :eek: :p

The Aircraft that are there are not as good as the jets out there .

[DuQuense]

Please try to stay within the Rules 1939 Tech, with early 1940's help in prefecting it.. Ie it was a plane designed in 1939, but you put a 1941 engine in it. And you explain the how, like that explanation I wrote for my X-55 fighter, and how the Japanese got it in 1939, when in OTL it took longer to develop. Or how DN has explaned that his TL devoloped Aircraft in the 1890's instead of our 1900's. And that the Jets are Prototypes not in general service. I Assume that they have all the Early prototype Bugs, just like OTLs first jets.

I Like the Idea Of all the French Pacific Islands Coming back and Not having contact with their France. And I like the Idea of a IndoChina War. But EDIT to Be the French sent their Fleet to Vietman in early '39, due to Tensions with Siam.

@ wingmaster ? why don't you put your World Goverment in South Africa.?

[WngMasterD]

Ward:
I don't think we're allowing any places from actually in the future. DuQuense knows for sure.

WMD:
What, all the unclaimed zones? Are you mad man!? :eek: :p

No, just one unclamied zone. Thats it.

[DominusNovus]

No, just one unclamied zone. Thats it.
Phew. Had me worried. :cool:

[WngMasterD]

Ill take South Africa (& Madagascar if i can mearge them into one)

[DuQuense]

Ill take South Africa (& Madagascar if i can mearge them into one)

That will be interesting, to see how that came about. and ?How strong is the Union?

[WngMasterD]

It was gonna ba part of that '1 world' govnt. SO on the surface it would be strong, but in reality quite weak.

[Imajin]

Hey, what's untaken in the middle east? Judging by the map, I'll take ME2 if thats untaken, and if it is taken, I'll take ME3 then...

[DominusNovus]

Hey, what's untaken in the middle east? Judging by the map, I'll take ME2 if thats untaken, and if it is taken, I'll take ME3 then...
Neither are taken, but I think, after this, we should cut it off. Grey Wolf and I have already written about Persia and Iraq being unihabited. If anyone were to take those zones, it'd mess things up (yeah, there are ways around it).

Therefore, might I suggest we consider, at least ME 1 and 4 taken as unihabited zones? As well as anything else not taken (except for whatever part of Arabia you pick, Imajin, I'd like to see you take ME3, just so we don't have to deal with two Kaabas)?

[Grey Wolf]

Neither are taken, but I think, after this, we should cut it off. Grey Wolf and I have already written about Persia and Iraq being unihabited. If anyone were to take those zones, it'd mess things up (yeah, there are ways around it).

Therefore, might I suggest we consider, at least ME 1 and 4 taken as unihabited zones? As well as anything else not taken (except for whatever part of Arabia you pick, Imajin, I'd like to see you take ME3, just so we don't have to deal with two Kaabas)?

I suppose since this is essentially a magic environment, certain parts of the ISOTing mosaic could 'land' after the others, which would explain how Kuldja has come BACK to existence since someone took that zone

But in general I would agree with a cut off soon. ME 3 would be quite fun for a player I think, the whole sultanate of Oman thing.

Best Regards
Grey Wolf

[Imajin]

I guess I'll go with ME3.. I have some interesting ideas for the area..

[Grey Wolf]

I guess I'll go with ME3.. I have some interesting ideas for the area..

Look forward to reading it :)

Best Regards
Grey Wolf

[DuQuense]

I'm calling ME 1&2 just so they stay Empty- Imajin can set his own border along south ME 2. The French in Lebanon consider Syria theirs', even if empty, while the Jews Want Trans Jordan back as part of the original Palistine Territory.

[Grey Wolf]

I'm calling ME 1&2 just so they stay Empty- Imajin can set his own border along south ME 2. The French in Lebanon consider Syria theirs', even if empty, while the Jews Want Trans Jordan back as part of the original Palistine Territory.

On that same basis I better call ME4 to keep it empty :)

Grey Wolf

[Leej]

So whats still free and all?
I'm thinking I might want to put some lesser nation in a empty area.

[Grey Wolf]

So whats still free and all?
I'm thinking I might want to put some lesser nation in a empty area.

The Horn of Africa maybe ? A giant Abyssinia ?

Grey Wolf

[DuQuense]

Gran Columbia, SA's Guinia area , Tibet/Nepal, Papau New Guinea, German east Africa, Eithiopia.

[General_Paul]

I am just wondering if the New London Colony can claim AS7 as ours also, considering that its empty, and I don't think that anyone wants to take it...

[G.Bone]

China is invading Tibet (again) and I was wondering if anyone had a claim to that.

[Grey Wolf]

I am just wondering if the New London Colony can claim AS7 as ours also, considering that its empty, and I don't think that anyone wants to take it...

That's Tibet - G Bone's mentioned it under its modern Chinese name of something-or-other-iang, and has said that it's empty

Its one of the blank spaces on the map that have turned into empty areas filled with only natural stuff, no humanity and no sign of it.

You are of course welcome to send in exploratory expeditions and even to invade it, but you can't claim prior ownership of it

Grey Wolf

[ender_wiggin1988]

I taking them anyone has a problem then you can talk it over with me.

[General_Paul]

Wow, sweet deal, you better join in the war with the nation of french indochina. Hehe...post your nation's history, name, and flag soon.

[General_Paul]

I am guessing that ender means Oceania. hehe...

[Grey Wolf]

Ender, you cannot claim nations which either belong to someone else (i.e. Madagascar) or which are already declared empty zones. You make most of what people have already spent 2 weeks doing null and void, and frankly the whole thing pointless

Grey Wolf

[General_Paul]

Grey Wolf, I am confused as to which areas are open for people to claim. I thought that all areas that are not claimed, are open for claiming.

[Grey Wolf]

Grey Wolf, I am confused as to which areas are open for people to claim. I thought that all areas that are not claimed, are open for claiming.

Not once you start. This chap wants to claim Sumatra - you're fighting a war over the place already ! He can't just come in and claim it. As for Tibet, Persia, etc once they have been in the game as 'empty' its illogical to retro-actively claim them. It alters the whole dynamics of the game that has been already played - i.e. if someone now claims a massive Persian superstate then the Russia I have been playing for 2 weeks and inter-acting with other players about would be completely false

So, the empty areas should remain empty if already in play

There are some other areas still available - anyone wanting to join at this late stage can PM Du Quesne and ask

Grey Wolf

[DominusNovus]

I think we should update the map to represent whats been taken, included areas claimed as empty.

And I really think we should cut off any more claims.

[DuQuense]

Unclaimed Areas [Or not mentioned] Gran Columbia. S Amer Guinea. Pupua New Guinea, [Think this will be Wiggin's] Africa Ivory Coast area, German East Africa Area. Etiopia area.

Both GP And GBone have mentioned exploring parties in the empty Himalayas. Of Course given the Terrain , neither party will be moving very fast, [unless the Yeti built a road] lots of time in the future for conflict . Both parties could wander for years without meeting the other.

Got to check on Brazil.

The Pacific has GBone's Hawaii federation & Ward's French Colonies.

[WngMasterD]

I taking them anyone has a problem then you can talk it over with me.

Umm, the Global Federation might have a rather large problem with you taking over thie Madagascar territory. Pissing them off would be sad.

[DominusNovus]

Umm, the Global Federation might have a rather large problem with you taking over thie Madagascar territory. Pissing them off would be sad.

Well, techincally, as a Global Federation, they should have a problem with any of us... :p

Don't mind me, just being an ass.

[General_Paul]

Ok, I just got off the phone with Ender_wiggin 1988, he's cool with his country getting bomped over to New guinea and New Briton.

[WngMasterD]

Well, techincally, as a Global Federation, they should have a problem with any of us... :p

Don't mind me, just being an ass.

So far, they dont really know that anyone else is here, they are just not back home. (I feel bad for the SOB's who got sent to the GF)

[Cockroach]

General_Paul, are you sure that some other people are fine with this?

Intelligence Intercept by New Holland
Found in a copy of a treaty between the UOPD and Imperial Japan
Secret Additional Protocol.
Article I.
In the event of a territorial and political rearrangement in the currently empty areas formerly belonging to the Dutch Indies, the islands of New Guinea and Timor shall fall under the spheres of influence of the United Pacific Dominions.