DME's ASBs - Chat thread

[DuQuense]

Remember Whe are the ASBs.

[WngMasterD]

For clarification i say we start posts with a DME. Ie

DME - Lisitngs of nations

besides taht, what elese do we need to do before we start?

[DominusNovus]

For clarification i say we start posts with a DME. Ie

DME - Lisitngs of nations

besides taht, what elese do we need to do before we start?
More people!
So, we're gonna use this forum for the DME?

[DuQuense]

?Should Whe allow out right Colonies,? for some of the areas. Ie Africa 7 is SA 2's colony [both belong to the same ASB]

[Ward]

I think we should have some colonies maybe giving the UK playier the British Empire of 1930's . And Maybe France its Empire of 1930's also if no one takes these areas .

Outside of Germany is anyone else from this time line at start .

What are we having the nations that are not taken be . Are they going to be like the last game just empty space or what .

[WngMasterD]

I was gonna hav ethe carribean be a Brit. Terrioty that got ISOTed. Is this objectionable?

[DominusNovus]

I was gonna hav ethe carribean be a Brit. Terrioty that got ISOTed. Is this objectionable?
I don't see why there'd be a problem. My Roman Poland isn't going to be anywhere near the imperial capital, so its really the same situation, just further away in your case.

[Grey Wolf]

I think we should have some colonies maybe giving the UK playier the British Empire of 1930's . And Maybe France its Empire of 1930's also if no one takes these areas .

Outside of Germany is anyone else from this time line at start .

What are we having the nations that are not taken be . Are they going to be like the last game just empty space or what .

IMVHO I would think anywhere unclaimed should be from the 'base world' of OTL that Nazi Germany is in

Grey Wolf

[DominusNovus]

IMVHO I would think anywhere unclaimed should be from the 'base world' of OTL that Nazi Germany is in

Grey Wolf
That would be an interesting solution.

[DuQuense]

Whe had problems with a Unplayed OTL England , But if whe all agree to be bound by what each other writes about them. ie south sea islands are unclaimed . so whatever I write about My Japan in the south seas, Micheals Japan's has to accept. Of course if Micheal is posting a storyline about the south seas, I should PM him with my ideas , before posting. [so whe don't step on each other].

And if My Japan wants to invade Unclaimed French Tahiti. I still have to post Both My Forces, and what France had in Tahati OTL, In the Battle Thread. And remember I would still have to Garrison It. Tieing up X number of my troops, Who couldn't be used to invade New Caldonia.

[DominusNovus]

How about we say all unclaimed territories are uninhabited? That will solve all the problems nicely.

BTW, what happens to the sea? Is it just the land that gets transported, or the ocean within a certain radius?

[DuQuense]

100 miles out to Sea or Regonized Border - Ie US Canadia Border in the Pacific Coast Islands

[Landshark]

I think we should reserve Asia 8 and Oceania 2 for the Flocc'ed One.

If he ever makes up his mind whether or not he's here.

[Leej]

We should not have unclaimed areas, we should fill up unclaimed areas with lesser tech level nations or bizare ecosystems or whatever.

[DominusNovus]

We should not have unclaimed areas, we should fill up unclaimed areas with lesser tech level nations or bizare ecosystems or whatever.
I say unihabited wilderness, just so we don't have to worry about playing them.

[Grey Wolf]

How about we say all unclaimed territories are uninhabited? That will solve all the problems nicely.

BTW, what happens to the sea? Is it just the land that gets transported, or the ocean within a certain radius?

That would certainly be nice for my merchant fleets :)

Grey Wolf

[DuQuense]

Gray Wolfe- ?You were not watching a episode of "Yes Minister" by chance ?while writing your Iceland post. Sound like The Ministers perament Under Secatary would fit rite in.

[Grey Wolf]

Gray Wolfe- ?You were not watching a episode of "Yes Minister" by chance ?while writing your Iceland post. Sound like The Ministers perament Under Secatary would fit rite in.

No, but very apt - I know what you mean :)

It seemed logical for the Iceland of the ATL, and will also help it in the ISOT'ed one

After all, Iceland is never going to be able to hold its own militarily, it needs excellent other resources - diplomatic, trading and economic

Am still waiting to hear whether the seas get ISOT'ed coz there are going to be a hell of a lot of Icelandic merchant ships. fishing vessels etc in the nearby seas and losing those could be cripling

Grey Wolf

[Grey Wolf]

Its just occurred to me that one side-effect of the ISOT'ing is that every major country suddenly finds itself with a hell of a lot of displaced ambassadors, with their staff and guards occupying embassies for countries which no longer exist. Repatriation won't make sense in most circumstances due to the various divergent ATLs that come together. Yet, at the same time, the new nations of the ISOT world will need embassies. So, what to do with these several hundred (up to several thousand in major nations) alien foreigners ? I guess those from friendly nations could be settled in the community, but imagine being the ambassador for a Shogun-and-Samurai Japan in, oh lets say Britain, in an ISOT where Japan is some communist state. They won't have any natural home at all, so what to do with them ? I guess the guards etc could be hired as sort of small mercenary companies, maybe the senior staff have some transferable skills and could be hired by industry ? But each nation is going to have to deal with this problem...

Grey Wolf

[WngMasterD]

For SME in the COnfederation of South Sea Isle's i either A, ent them back, B Gave them an Island to do whatever one, or C Put them back in the diplomatic corps

[DuQuense]

In SME Whe used a one Hundred MileFrom Coast or international Boundry If You have a lot of Merchants close to iceland, You may have a 100 mile Boundray in effect, after ISOT =200 miles to sea. But You will get a lot of Other Countries Ships that way -You will have to write about them, too.

If whe go with a Empty world again, Not only are the Whales & Fishes Back, as well as Extinct species. But whe don't have to worry about Ships that were in the middle of the ocean away from land, at out of range of the ISOT.

While it would be nice to ISOT OTL into all unclaimed lands, whe have the who plays them ploblem, How about if whe have both, OTL Land and Aminals but no People.

A Italian Plane lands in the Colony town of Tripoli, except the Airport seems to be different. and the City is totally deserted. outside the City there are cows in the meadows & crops in the field But no people.

A Reeaal WTF Moment.


Check out this Site , espescally late August- Sept 1

http://www.humanitas-international.org/holocaust/1939tbse.htm

[WngMasterD]

When are we getting underway with this?

[Grey Wolf]

Regarding the foreign merchant ships in one's 100 mile waters, it will fit quite nicely into the displaced ambassadors issue. Ships would be heading for Iceland who were native of the Kingdom of Labrador (for instance) and find that all that remains of their Labrador is the embassy at Rejkjavik

Grey Wolf

[DuQuense]

Whe still have Russia a Major player unclaimed, along with Brazil, Columbia, Most of Africa and Asia, I would like to start on Sunday 3rd, if whe can get a feww more players.

PM the players from SME who haven't signed up yet-- Invite them to come back.

[DominusNovus]

While it would be nice to ISOT OTL into all unclaimed lands, whe have the who plays them ploblem, How about if whe have both, OTL Land and Aminals but no People.

A Italian Plane lands in the Colony town of Tripoli, except the Airport seems to be different. and the City is totally deserted. outside the City there are cows in the meadows & crops in the field But no people.
Interesting, but it doesn't really follow the standard for the rest of the zones (everything in them gets transported). Then again, we could just say that these zones happened to have "holes" in them that were human sized and just happened to be in the exact same places that the people were. :D

Personally, I'd prefer unihabited. Heck, we could get away without a player for a zone inhabited by relatively primitive peoples.

[DuQuense]

Whe could put my Stone/Bronze age Nomads, in them [no Agricultral Revolution]. once again bound by each others writing about.

[DominusNovus]

Whe could put my Stone/Bronze age Nomads, in them [no Agricultral Revolution]. once again bound by each others writing about.

I'm picturing that done with russia, just to fuck with my romans. They pile all their military on their eastern border, only to find out that their age old enemy has been replaced with cavemen. Meanwhile, from what used to be the heartland of the empire come germans with tanks. Thats irony for you.

[Leej]

How are you hoping to get started? I've seen no rules yet and this was supposed to be a game.

[DuQuense]

Meanwhile, from what used to be the heartland of the empire come germans with tanks. Thats irony for you.

Reaaeel WTF moments. except they are NOT cavemen.

Whould anyone mind if I redrew north Africa to get rid of AF 4 [Combine it into the Others. I have a idea for AF 2 but I need to change the shape.


If Whe can get a few more Areas taken, ?Russia? I hope to start on Sunday the Third. All you Players with only one area, time for Seconds.

[DominusNovus]

Hey, General Paul. How do you think your guys are gonna react when the invasion starts?

[Grey Wolf]

I am away Friday to Sunday with limited net access. People better not conquer my territories when I am not available to do anyting !

I might be convinced to take Russia as well, from a different ATL than Iceland/Spitzbergen

It depends on some answers to questions really

Grey Wolf

[Landshark]

Three reasons why we should difinately have Grey Wolf have Russia: Lesbian. Grand. Duchesses.

[WngMasterD]

I am away Friday to Sunday with limited net access. People better not conquer my territories when I am not available to do anyting !

I might be convinced to take Russia as well, from a different ATL than Iceland/Spitzbergen

It depends on some answers to questions really

Grey Wolf

I shant take your territories

[Landshark]

It's a shame Tom and Mithras can't take part this time around. Would be fascinating to see nations with OTL technology interacting with another nation with OTL tech, but that has real knowledge of a much higher level.

[Grey Wolf]

Three reasons why we should difinately have Grey Wolf have Russia: Lesbian. Grand. Duchesses.

Well, it would certainly be monarchist and dystopian. Decadent also sounds a good idea, and if its introverted but expansionist at the same time I think we can manage the sexual politics quite well

Of course it would have to wonder where the fuck all its territory suddenly went, but then thats the beauty of an ISOT, the Tsar suddenly receives reports from Omsk that Central Asia has turned into a lot of independent states that weren't there before and, um, could he please do something about it ? At the same time the head of the army sends a top secret cable saying Poland has changed and he's very sorry but all the elite regiments that had been deployed for the ATL German war threat just aren't there anymore...

Grey Wolf

[WngMasterD]

Hey, is there a place where we can place pre-Mosaic information like stories

[Grey Wolf]

If Russia remains unclaimed I'll take it on the condition that this doesn't degenerate into some massive wargame requiring me to know where hundreds of regiments are every day

If not, then I'm happy with Iceland and Spitzbergen whose defence would be entirely reactive and not bog me down

Grey Wolf

[Landshark]

Much as I want to wipe the floor with the Nazis I also want to humiliate them with the size and power of the French military so I don't want to get into a world war straight off either.

[Cockroach]

Just wondering if comeone would be willing to take some of the Pacific/ SE Asian territory otherwise I won't exactly have much to do with my two Australian nations...
Edit: I suggest someone sets up an Imperial German colony in PNG

[DuQuense]

If whe have the Story start at 0000 hr GMT sept 1[ 0200 Berlin ] History for Germany will be excectly the same till then, Hitler will have decided to start the war back on the 27th, Troops will be moving, planes being loaded Ect. In OTL the first Troops crossed the Border at 0445. General Paul will have 2 1/2 hrs to realized something weird has happened, and have Hitler call off the Invadsion.

OTOH the IRU - I don't know the politics of their borders, But the first intication they will have is the flash of lite at 0200, then unlike poland which started it's mobilazation on aug 27th, the IRU will have only 2 1/2 hours to prepare before the, germans arrive.

IOTL Britian and France had given Treaty assurances to Poland, Here There is no Preexsisting treaties left. But the mindsets will still be there. GB is from a world were they were a Central power in 1914, so France will still be looked at as a potenial emeny. While France as part of the Anglo-Franco Empire will expect England to be It's other Half.


I'm also surpurised that no one has gone for a fasist ally for Germany --Peronist Argentina - Blackshirt South Africa- Brown shirt Canada in NA 1-ect [No General Paul you can't, I tried in SME, You can't be your own ally, it doesn't work]

[DominusNovus]

OTOH the IRU - I don't know the politics of their borders, But the first intication they will have is the flash of lite at 0200, then unlike poland which started it's mobilazation on aug 27th, the IRU will have only 2 1/2 hours to prepare before the, germans arrive.
Oh, we're always somewhat mobilized. Problem is that our military is focused on our dangerous eastern border...

To get an idea of the situation. Imagine if the French, with all their troops hanging around the Maginot line, suddenly had an enemy materialize in the middle of france (Fascist Gallics? :D)

[perdedor99]

I can't post until the weekend the history of the PI but it's pretty much Germany purchase the island from Spain in 1896 and Japan got a League of Nations mandate after WW1. I have to do an end of the month report in my damn department so until Saturday pretty much all I can do is to check the updates.

[DuQuense]

Oh, we're always somewhat mobilized. Problem is that our military is focused on our dangerous eastern border...

Look forward to reading about the pre event military situation in the east. I can just see the General in charge of the expected attack point.

Aide-- General the Invasion has started, Thousands of troops attacking.
General-- [looking out at the quiet Road in front of him ] ?What have you been drinking?

[DuQuense]

You also have problems in the East. My Republic of Japan [hope to post tonite] Border follows the Amur river from Manchukuo to the sea of Okhots, while my area goes north of that along Amur . I was thinking of having a USSR Troops there in a Cold war [A cease fire ended the fighting but not the GW1]. Unless you can suggest something better.

?What do you think that russian general [Zarnakov??] have done with his troops in a case like this.?

[TheLoneAmigo]

Are there going to be update&comment threads or should I start a new thread for the Southern Dominions?

[Imajin]

Hopefully there will be update/comment threads.. I just don't think anyones made them yet..

And have we decided what will be in the unclaimed zones? Africa is pretty much unclaimed, and the Germans and Austrians there will be interested in their neighbors (or lack thereof)...

[DuQuense]

I thought this wasn't going to start till sunday....... But as it seems to be going just dont write much past the first day till whe can get all the Countries posted.

I beleive whe are going with the Uninhabiated areas from the SME.

I'll get the treads up.

[DominusNovus]

Something occured to me. The weather is likely to be very stormy after the Event. You've got all sorts of different weather systems, all suddenly plopped together. Hot, cold, stormy, calm. It'll be messy.

[DuQuense]

I started by SME Treads With a Force 6 hurricane roaring across the Pacific , and Problems with the Gulf Stream.

And the Empty areas will have a lower [2 parts vs OTLs 4 parts] carbon dioxide level [greenhouse]

[DominusNovus]

I started by SME Treads With a Force 6 hurricane roaring across the Pacific , and Problems with the Gulf Stream.

And the Empty areas will have a lower [2 parts vs OTLs 4 parts] carbon dioxide level [greenhouse]

I was referring to how, when hot fronts and cold fronts meet, you get inclement weather. With all the butterflies flying around, there's no way that any of the zones will have similar enough weather systems.

[DuQuense]

The Borders while have Major thunder Boomers, the War starts in the Rain.
Don't all of them anyway.
The Center of the Larger areas will be calmer.

[perdedor99]

From what I read in the battle post Rommel, a Divisional commander in OTL is a Army Group commander in this one and a 15th Panzer Division when in OTL there were only 6 Panzer and 4 Light Divisions at the time of the Event. Also in another entry of GP Heinrich Himmel was deputy Fuhrer, OTL deputy Fuhrer was Rudolf Hess. Definitely not the beloved Reich we all know and love. :D

[Grey Wolf]

From what I read in the battle post Rommel, a Divisional commander in OTL is a Army Group commander in this one and a 15th Panzer Division when in OTL there were only 6 Panzer and 4 Light Divisions at the time of the Event. Also in another entry of GP Heinrich Himmel was deputy Fuhrer, OTL deputy Fuhrer was Rudolf Hess. Definitely not the beloved Reich we all know and love. :D

Lol, that's exactly what I wrote in a private message - I wropte a critique of his so-called history of the Third Reich, and since it was suggested I post it here I will do so.

- - - - - - -

Oh, General Paul's abridged history was supposed to be OTL ??

By the year 1870, the german republics were united under a common rule, the rule of the Kaiser. Kaiser Wilhelm the First brought the United German Republics (More commonly known as the German Monarchy), into the colonial race

German republics ??? There were NO German republics unless you count the Free Cities which were a minority of the states of the German Confederation

United German Republics ??? What the fuck ? Germany was a federal state of sovereign principalities and kingdoms. It was not in ANY sense a unity of republics.

Wilhelm I instigated colonialism ? I think you will find not, and certainly not 1870. German overseas enterprises actually tended to bring their desire to colonise a place to the German government rather than the other way round.

The First and Second Baltic Wars of 1909, and 1913 respectively, involved mainly the Russian Empire and her Baltic neighbors

I had assumed these were ATL wars, but I suppose he means BALKAN wars, but the first one was NOT in 1909, so again what the fuck ??? Has he invented a war or got both the name AND the year wrong ???

The Austro-Hungarian Empire was known for its extensive alliances and treaties throughout the European Continent. By 1890 however, the two major alliances were solidified. Known as the Triple entente: England, France, and Russia, they were opposed by the Central Powers: Germany, the Austro-Hungarian Empire, and the Ottoman-Turkish Empire.

Again this isn't correct - when was Austria-Hungary EVER known for its extensive alliances and treaties ? Sure, it had a very secret alliance with Rumania but that came to nothing, then it was a member of the Triple Alliance with Germany and Italy...er, how extensive is that ??? And before the war there was no such term as the Central Powers, the rival alliance WAS the Triple Alliance until Italy reneged on its commitments, and several months later the Ottoman Empire entered on the side of Germany

Archduke Franz Ferdinand of the Austro-Hungarian Empire was taking a tour of the Balkans, more precicely, a tour of the nation of Serbia, which was under the Austro-Hungarian crown. When, a clandestine group known as the "Black Hand" was able to kill the archduke, and his wife

No, he wasn't - he was in Bosnia-Hercegovina which was fully a province of the Austro-Hungarian empire (1908) and was only ever Serbian in the wet dreams of Serbian nationalist, and then the most extreme ones at that.

September 3, 1914 marked the full beginnings of the ground war in europe

Again absolutely and completely wrong. You can have various dates from the end of July to August 4th (British entry) but September 3rd was the start of WW2 in 1939, nothing to do with WW1

The english, fresh from their war in the transvaal (Known largely as South Africa), thought that their victories, spurred on by public support, brough the british expeditionary forces to french ports on September the fifth, nineteen fourteen.

What the fuck is this ? The Boer War was in 1901, so any forces in 1914 are hardly FRESH from it !!! And September 5th ???

Throughout much of 1914, 1915, and 1916, the armed forces of the german, austro-hungarian, and french/british combined armies fought nail and tooth for the prowess of military power, and for the final victory.

Whats happened to Russia ??? I mean it played no small part in the war !!!

Through sheer luck, in 1917, on the allied side, an intercepted coded message to the mexican leadership in Mexico City, was intercepted by american intelligence officers

It was hardly sheer luck, the British were monitoring the transAtlantic traffic, had cracked the code of the German diplomats and passed the information on to the Americans

After the disasterous failure of the "Beer Hall Putch" in 1923, hitler spent seven months in jail, serving along with Rudolf Hess, his deputy Prime Minister in 1934, taking dictations for Mein Kamph, or My Struggle . This lead to the German National Socialist Workers Party

The NSDAP was already in existence, it was who Hitler carried out the attempted putsch with

I could also mention that the SS was established as Hitler's personal guard and was not a street fighting outfit, that was the SA

Adolf Hitler: Fuhrer of Germany, Austria, the Sudetenland, and East Prussia.

East Prussia is part of the German Reich

So, maybe you can see why he had written a parallel alternate history to OTL ??? He seems to be very weak on a lot of history, rather weak on areas of geography, but probably Nazi-infatuated so you'll probably do OK with him playing them in the game... It just was not at all recognisable as a version of OTL

Best Regards
Grey Wolf

[DominusNovus]

So, maybe you can see why he had written a parallel alternate history to OTL ??? He seems to be very weak on a lot of history, rather weak on areas of geography, but probably Nazi-infatuated so you'll probably do OK with him playing them in the game... It just was not at all recognisable as a version of OTL
I think he said he's Jewish...

[Ward]

I would like to take the French Pacific Territories as if they were from the 1980's pop is less then 550,000 on the Islands altogether .
The Military force would be 3 Battions of Leagonars , 8 Asw aircraft , 12 transports , 2 sqs of 8 Mirage F1c each , 24 Helos , 2 DDG , 3 FFG , and maybe 12 patrol boats, 2 subs and a dozen Aux ships .

This force would be so small it would not make a diffrents in a World War to eather side .

What do you people think about this nation as the high tec nation .
The best computers would be a 64k apple with a tape and 5 an1/4 drive .

[perdedor99]

You setting yourself for a spanking IMO. Only 34 divisions in all China? Plus you have to cover Hong Kong and the other foreign enclaves? You better think your war over or get the Russians on your side because it could get tough. I have over 30 divisions, most likely Hawaii could join the fray and the combined numbers of the Republic of Japan Navy, the United States Navy in Karafuto, the Imperial Japanese Navy and the United States ships in Hawaii are more than your whole fleet and you have a lot of coast to defend. That also works againts the Empire but you're will be the one on the offensive and the mayority of your forces will be tied up in Manchuria. Even if you raise the numbers of divisions to 100, the extra divisions most likely will be low quality divisions. Think it over.

[WngMasterD]

In respone to the new (Final) Map.

I love how NA4 gets bigger each time

[G.Bone]

Okay P99- are you talking to me or someone else?

[Ward]

How do I get my Flag from my picture files to this site .

[Grey Wolf]

How do I get my Flag from my picture files to this site .

You need to upload it as an attachment. When you write in this message box, beneath it is the Manage Attachments button. Click on this, use browse to find the file, upload to upload it, then close the window and its attached

Grey Wolf

[Ward]

You need to upload it as an attachment. When you write in this message box, beneath it is the Manage Attachments button. Click on this, use browse to find the file, upload to upload it, then close the window and its attached

Grey Wolf




Grey Wolf I've done that it will not work for me from my desk top pitcures

[DuQuense]

what kind of File is it. I have to convert everthing to Gif, as most others are to big to be uploaded.

[G.Bone]

Obviously China, due to it's dictatorship quality, is going to invade Manchuria. It's probably going to involve an intense shelling, followed by pronged attacks by tank columns (similar to blitzkreig), and genreal occupation of that area. I'm just putting this out there so that anyone would be informed.

[perdedor99]

The Kingdom of Italy's borders are OTL 1914 ones in the north but it seems in the European map that parts of the Austro-Hungarian Empire made the trip with my kingdom. Am I correct in this? The Austrian officers will be shocked to hear of a Austria behind part of a German Reich. :D

[DuQuense]

I was thinking more of 39 Italy without the ?Dalmatian?? coast area. But you have to work it out with Yugoslavia/Hungruy.

[Leej]

When are we starting?
Has whoever is in charge decided on formal rules yet?

[DuQuense]

Sunday the 3rd, 1939 tech to start [with a year or so leeway, if Explained]. All Battles have to be moderated in the Battle thread before you write about the fight. Remember this is a group Timeline we are Writing. Have Fun.

[G.Bone]

Is it just me or is DME going the way of SME?

[Grey Wolf]

Is it just me or is DME going the way of SME?

Don't know - what does that mean ?

We seem to have lots of players and if the first 'turn' is 2 weeks OTL, then people are still feeling their way

Grey Wolf

[Ward]

Is it just me or is DME going the way of SME?


not yet but some people need to post more.

[Grey Wolf]

not yet but some people need to post more.

Well, as the first two weeks of OTL are supposed to be the first move I don't see what the problem is

Thisa isn't a wargame - if anyone sees it as such, I will just open Russia to anyone who fancies invading it regardless of anything el;se

I have been to keen to join in a multi-player games , it seemed to be one (DN, DQ, Con etc), so what is the problem ?

If people simply want to conquer the world, well why bother ?

Grey Wolf

[Landshark]

I thought you were going to bed?

I would have posted but seem to have inadvertantly created nations that require a coherent and logical backstory. :eek:

[Grey Wolf]

I thought you were going to bed?

I would have posted but seem to have inadvertantly created nations that require a coherent and logical backstory. :eek:

I was typing this over the last few minutes, then posted it after closing everything else, the last thing I did before going to bed :)

Yes, I'm looking forward to the arrival of your nations though I am going to have to send an airship to your Alaska soon, ready or not !

Grey Wolf

[Leej]

By when are we starting I meant when is the game starting.

[Grey Wolf]

By when are we starting I meant when is the game starting.

I was under the impression that it started last weekend and that I had been playing it all week...

Grey Wolf

[DominusNovus]

Hey guys. I just want to let you know that, until monday, I won't be able to post as regularly as I'd like. I will endevour to make some progress, however.

[perdedor99]

Sorry about treaties but I have all that out of the way. Sorry but taking into consideration travel and negotiations the dates actually moved into the third week. I guess this negotiations happened while China began to demobilize their forces but what better uniting force than a common enemy. Will hold off until everyone else can catch up, except for emergency situations like some idiot shooting down a Russian Airship for example. :D

[Grey Wolf]

In most things I am at Day 8/9 - is this OK ? Does anybody rule on these things ? When is the 'first turn' supposed to go up to - day 14 ?

I think I am pretty safe - I have established relations of some kind or other with every state on my borders except India and China. The latter is hardly in a situation to attack, and if the former tries we'll just laugh at them as they would be throwing themselves against the only defence lines to have survived the ISOT'ing, with a professional and veteran army on the border

I've tried to estimate distances and travelling times - I don't think my little convoy out of Petropavlosk will reach Hawaii till Day 14 at the earliest.

I guess my concern is that a large chunk of Europe has not posted much yet - Britain, France and Germany (though I see General Paul is back amongst us now). It would seem some catching up is needed from them, though again they are not going to directly impinge upon my Russia within this period, and thus should not prevent me attaining Day 14 if that IS the boundary date - I may have misunderstood that ???

Could somebody clarify things for me ? Thanks !!!

Grey Wolf

[perdedor99]

Sorry guy, but just read your description of the attacks and in one day you are moving into Burma at the speed of light, At the most a 400,000 men army is 30 divisions more or less and you have a gigantic border to cover. So in reality at the most you have maybe what, 10 divisions to launch an attack thru jungle terrains easily stopped by destroying bridges. And if I recall your nation description you didn't have no Aircraft carriers and now all of a sudden you have one. Very convenient. Before you post combat try to run it to the battle moderators.

[perdedor99]

Hey GP, this can maybe help you to get an idea of the true scope of your army
INDIA
At the outbreak of WW2, India was the only one of the Dominions and Colonies to have a substantial Armed Force, Over 205,000 Indians, 63,469 British & 83,706 troops from Princely States filled out a force which included 113 Infantry battalions. This Army was well trained and motivated but was armed and trained to fight on India's frontiers, particularly in the Mountainous NW Frontier area. The Royal Indian Air Force consisted of 1,638 men, but had no complete squadrons and the Royal Indian Navy had 1,708 men manning 8 small coastal vessels.
On the outbreak of war, plans were put in place to increase the size of the Army and a number of Units were sent to the Middle East where the 4th Division provided a half of Wavell's force for Operation Compass. From these beginnings the Indian Army provided Units for 7 different theatres, where, as long as well trained and led, they gave an excellent service for the Empire. The British also began a process of Indianization. Originally one British Battalion was part of each Brigade and the only Indian Artillery were a small number of Mountain Batteries. By the end of the war, many Brigades had no British troops, Indian Officers were advancing through Command positions and the RIAF & RIN has similar changes.
Areas of Service
EGYPT, LIBYA 4,5 & 10 Divisions, 3 Indian Motor Bde
EAST AFRICA 4 & 5 Divisions
SYRIA 4 Division
ITALY & GREECE (43-45) 4,8 & 10 Divisions, 43 Indian Motor Bde
IRAQ_PERSIA 6,8 & 10 Divisions, 31 Armoured Division
MALAYA 9 & 11 Divisions
BURMA 5,7,14,17,19,20,23,25,26 & 39 Divisions 50,254 & 255 Arm Bdes,
50 Para Bde
The Air Force ended with 9 Squadrons and the Navy had about 34 Fighting vessels and a force of about 40 landing craft.
Unlike the rest of the Empire, India was a drain on the resources of the Empire, the continual need to feed a population of approx 320 million was beyond the ability of the Indian Agriculture system, the Bengal famine in 1943 saw the deaths of over 3 million civilians.

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[General_Paul]

Thanks for those troop numbers, they'll come in handy!

[perdedor99]

I know the numbers would help you. Don't get me wrong, your army is very powerful indeed but your Navy is not on par the rest of the Navies in the area so you better be careful with your resources.

[perdedor99]

What happened is that the area isoted is OTL 1939 Italian borders but the nations transported are the ATL Italy and the Austro-Hungarians provinces of Tirol and parts of Carinthia. We tricked the commanders of the area to surrender their forces and now must likely will see any message by the Reich as propaganda by the evil germans and will resist any attacks. We don't want war with the German nation, actually we want their help in recovering Albania and Lybia. It seems that Hitler jumped the gun and at the mention of Hungarians thought the Italians were moving into his territory. Perfectly understandable error.

[DuQuense]

actually we want their help in recovering Albania and Lybia.

My Lakes Empire Is the Great Super power of its World, Think Roma At it's Height With all it's Legions going Up against Italy 1939. Whe may get Beat, but it wouldn't be easy.

[perdedor99]

Most likely it will be a rerun of OTL Ethiopian Campaign.

[DuQuense]

A Question has been Raised as to India's Prince of Wales, It has been pointed out that the king George Class didn't enter servic till 1940, and the PoW till 41
The king GeorgeV class
The King George V comp 11.12.40
Prince of Wales comp 31.3.41
Duke of York Comp 4.11.41
Anson Comp 22.6.42
Howe comp 29.8.42
This came from Conway's All the Worlds Fighting Ships 1922-1946 .


As you can see this class was not ready untill 1940 for the king George V class and most untill 1941 and 42 .

I am inclined to rule this under the Year leeway,- as the 1st where probally layed down in 1939, the Same as whe have accepted GBones P51A's from 1940.. Allow him to have one ship.

?Does anyone object?

[perdedor99]

Not me, just make sure that every nation's military and major naval units are listed so if conflict occurs your job will be easier.Still IMO the damage it received will keep the damn thing out for a couple of months at least.

[Grey Wolf]

Given that his India is divergent by something like 150 years I can't see how we can expect any part of that ATL to be exactly the same as OTL anyway. So, as long as he states BEFORE attacking what he has and where they are, I can easily accept it as divergence

Grey Wolf

[Grey Wolf]

OK, I withdraw my previous comment

If General Paul is gonna take the bloody piss, whats the point

Grey Wolf

[General_Paul]

Um...sorry about not posting a thank you for that previous post Grey Wolf. Anways, yes, I am going to begin posting ships before I send them out into battle. Ward and I are locked in some pretty intense combat...heh.

[DominusNovus]

Hey guys. Sorry for the extended absense.

What'd I miss? :cool:

[G.Bone]

Here's a rough draft of what I think a battle should be. Opinions are welcome.

1. State numbers
2. Dice???

[DuQuense]

While several of my Empire of the lakes Traders have arrived at the Areas. So far the only visitor they have received is the Spainish next door. But with my Israilites moving toward the Red Sea. They will be encoutering the Garrisons along my Suez Canal. [75' wide 20' deep, hand dug lined with stone]. Any Ideas how to handle this,

Also i have two peices about Ny Lake people rriving in other areas, But they will also be reaching the Irix'zus of the Carolinas, the Zaqux'r people of Central America. The Xohza of South Africa, Trying to sail up the St Lawarence to pick up some Copper from the Great Lakes. The normal Ships left for weeks after the event.

[WngMasterD]

When i started this, i thought i would have the time to manage my regions

Things chaged

So with my larger work load i am getting rid of SOuth Africa nad the baltics. If anyone wants them please take them. If not, they are mosaiced out

[Grey Wolf]

When i started this, i thought i would have the time to manage my regions

Things chaged

So with my larger work load i am getting rid of SOuth Africa nad the baltics. If anyone wants them please take them. If not, they are mosaiced out

I'll take the Baltics if you want as I've already spent time communicating with them and they're in the Russian side of the story. I'll ditch Kaliningrad though as its totally anachronistic (I know you haven't got it but in the 1930s you would never have had it as its German Konigsberg)

Grey Wolf

[WngMasterD]

the baltics is yours to keep my friend

[Grey Wolf]

the baltics is yours to keep my friend

Thanks :)

If I'm to pick them up where you left off, are there any details I need to know ?

Do you have any data I need, or is it all already posted ? Any character sheet on Hiiu (what type of name is that, btw ?) ?

No worries if not
Best Regards
Grey Wolf

[G.Bone]

clear out your PM!

[Grey Wolf]

clear out your PM!

Oops, done

200 is nowhere near enough !

Grey Wolf

[TheLoneAmigo]

I'm off to New Zealand for the next 2 weeks, and will likely not have internet access for much of that time.

Do what you will, but I hope my nation still exists by the time I return.

[DominusNovus]

I'm off to a retreat for the weekend. As I probably won't have much time when I get back (and i've recently hit a bit of writers block, as you might have noticed), write what you wish of your zones interacting with mine.

Regarding them, here's whats going on:
The Imperial Roman Union has pulled out of Germany following the coup. They're looking to establish peaceful relations with their neighbors, and aren't really interested in expansion at the moment.
The Sultanate of Rome has undergone some turmoil (to explain why I haven't posted anything about them). The Pope and Caliph have been assassinated, we'll say. They are still going through with settling Mesopotamia and trading with the Empire of the Lakes for food.

[DuQuense]

The Main problem is that Leej has been trying to be reactive with GB . Landskark had been playing France the same. and as non of us have been agresive in involving either of them in our posts, there was n't any thing for them to react to. this lead Czarist to think LeeJ had dropped out, so he started playing the UK. So Whe still don't know for sure how France and Britian will go.

So at the end of Novembre whe have the italians planning a attack on Lax'goz to regain their north africa processions. and having attacked the KSA to keep them from interfering], The Republic of America [south] is occupiing the Balirec islands of Spain as a freind of the KSA.

Whe have the ROA also invovled in the russian civil war, Due [Ithink] to the attack on their merchants ships. The Pacific Domininions are also involved due the the attack on their Diplomats, and the UNK is quietly surporting the Konsitine Russians by hosting the alliance. While publicly being nuetral due to problems in the Goverment, [ PM Quisling, blaming the Royal Family, for Hitlers assisanation]

Spain has established a Colony in Angola, and the UNK in Venuzuela, looking for Oil.

Asia which almost triggered a great war [except thThe Main problem is that Leej has been trying to be reactive with GB . Landskark had been playing France the same. and as non of us have been agresive in involving either of them in our posts, there was n't any thing for them to react to. this lead Czarist to think LeeJ had dropped out, so he started playing the UK. So Whe still don't know for sure how France and Britian will go.

So at the end of Novembre whe have the italians planning a attack on Lax'goz to regain their north africa processions. and having attacked the KSA to keep them from interfering], The Republic of America [south] is occupiing the Balirec islands of Spain as a freind of the KSA.

Whe have the ROA also invovled in the russian civil war, Due [Ithink] to the attack on their merchants ships. The Pacific Domininions are also involved due the the attack on their Diplomats, and the UNK is quietly surporting the Konsitine Russians by hosting the alliance. While publicly being nuetral due to problems in the Goverment, [ PM Quisling, blaming the Royal Family, for Hitlers assisanation]

Spain has established a Colony in Angola, and the UNK in Venuzuela, looking for Oil.

Asia which almost triggered a great war [except there haddened been time to establish the needed alliances] has settleed down with China and the RoJ moving into Mongolia while China and India move into the Empty Himilayas. Japan, French Indo china, and the PD are moving into Empty Indonesia. While the RoJ occupies Small islands around the world . to protect it's & Japan's merchant fleets.

Whe also have tensions in SAm between Brazil and the ROA over who is the Biggest on the Block. And ROA and Remua over Columbia.

Plus I just posted a peice about a Lebanonese ship sinking a Frigate of the Catholic Navy, and damaging two others.

[Imajin]

Could someone list the alliances in the on-going war?

[Leej]

I have not dropped out, I'm still Britain.
Its just Britain thinks the best thing for it to do is to sit tight and defend themselves/hope the world goes back the way it was.
They are certainly not looking for war and there is no decent 'empty' land to take over.

[czarist]

uh HELLO



there has been a bloodless coup...lets keep it that way ok??

[czarist]

here lets strike a deal

you can do domestic policy

i'll do foreign policy (i'm clearly way better at it than you no offense)

[Grey Wolf]

If anyone wants anything of Russia PM me

Otherwise, I'm not going to be doing anything much now

I guess the same goes for Iceland or the Baltic Federation

Grey Wolf

[czarist]

we'll take all of it

[Grey Wolf]

My main reason for giving up is that it has got very silly as the last post shows

I don't really care IF someone invades or what if they're just playing dumb games

If people want to be sensible and need a Russian perspective then fine ask me and I'll provide one

But all this war for no purpose at all, and the arguments over who owns Britain just removed any enjoyment I had in the thing, and to be honest I think its largely dead as a reasonable game

Grey Wolf

[czarist]

grey wolf i can't believe you this is how the world works, youre tying yourself to unreasonable constructions

this isnt actual 1939 its OUR 1939 baby and theres no looking back

[czarist]

plus "war for no reason at all" ever heard of HITLER you cockney twit?????

[czarist]

no offense

[Leej]

You are not better then foreign policy at me by a long shot, you seem to have pissed off 90% of world leaders.
I made this Britain and I rule this Britain.
If anyone rules anything that is, this thing seems to be dying. I'd put this down to a lack of set rules.

[czarist]

hardly my friend, i have constructed an unbeatable alliance. oh im sorry thats not as good as sitting on my ass all day watching my country go to hell.