Shut it down?

[Ian the Admin]

I've had a request to shut down SME since the activity is dropping off. Is there real interest in continuing it or should we consider this done?

[swamphen]

Well, GBW and I had something planned, but since everyone else seems to be, ah, othewise occupied...

[Landshark]

I've just had a bit of a full schedule latey but I'm still in.

[WngMasterD]

Im still in, its fun. I havent been very active because whenever i try to get something done (ie. internationally) noones there

[Cockroach]

I was still activly participating in it until a couple of days back when all activity sudenly ceased -now if things start back up...

[WngMasterD]

Shall we put it up for a vote?

[Michael]

Yes, shut it down so that the sheep thread shall reign victorious!!!!

[Nosb]

im still in, even if i am very busy.

[WngMasterD]

We could restart agian, it seems like ALOT of people signed up, and then did nothing.

[Cockroach]

Pause it for a week and contact those who havn't participated recently about if they want to continue to control their nations, if they don't well we get rid of them

[WngMasterD]

Pause it for a week and contact those who havn't participated recently about if they want to continue to control their nations, if they don't well we get rid of them

Cockroach, your a genius!

[G.Bone]

Just curious- how many of the "actives" are there?

[Tyr]

It has seemed dead to me for some time.

[TheLoneAmigo]

No, don't shut it down. Pause it if you like, but don't shut it down.

[WngMasterD]

Im gonna try and get everybody who has regestered a ntaion, and PM them to see if they are still participating. If anyone would like to help, please do so.

(G.Bome, if you could, please PM me a list of anyone whos posted in Mosaic Eath, im not sure what powers you have as moderator, but im hoping this is one thanks)

[DuQuense]

I had a computor crash, sorry i havn't posted.

My problem was that sudenly whe had a few super nations, who seemed invicible. runing wars that were over in a few days ect.

Mybe whe could consider this a trail run [like that ST NG eposide with the worm hole, and the problems] for ME 3.

Whe agree to a strict OTL tech limit [as max] and allow Isoted time lines, [kaisers 1914 germany? or hilters 1940 poland] and don't have any just OTL [england] pre chosen areas.

[TheLoneAmigo]

I would definitely vote for a OTL only tech limit. The "super-tech" nations are very annoying, as they reduce powerful OTL tech nations to the status of third world countries. There is no competing with them

[WngMasterD]

I agree to the tech limet as well (yes, CSSI was pushing the envlope), i was confused because all of a sudden there were colonies on comets and i was like "What the heck"

I say we start again

[swamphen]

Well, thats what happens when you allow +20 yrs OTL. :)

If y'all want to hit the Big Red Reset Button, 'ats fine with me...

[tom]

Frankly, it's a headache for me to check SME every day or two. If my schedule were different, I am sure I would feel differently, but as for now, I vote to shut it down (sorry).

[General_Paul]

Hey,

I woudl like to apologize for making my nation a bit...powerful. I was a jackass for doing that! Anyways, I'd like to re-start the SME back to the start, with a nice little rule of OTL technology only. Maybe a few less advanced nations, but I do want to keep on going with SME...that is... unless you want me to drop that comet colony on the earth! J/K! Anyways, yea, you know my vote now.

[Tyr]

We didn't allow +20years.
We allowed modern day only however by modern day we meant stuff which was available today though not in common use (e.g. Eurofighter).
But then some people started on alternate technology so others (like me) followed with that then eventually as it was dying some people made super teched nations with technology that was pure fantasy.

For restarting- we should do something else, not mosaic earth.

[Landshark]

For restarting- we should do something else, not mosaic earth.

Like what?

And if we do shut SME down what happens to all the stuff in the SME forum?

[WngMasterD]

We could Archive all the SME stuff.

I suggest that if we DID start a TME, we make a thread where players could openly confront other players for whatever need be (ie. Your fleets are to big ect....). Again, if we restarted, could we maybe keep a nation from SME (withought SMA stuff)?

[Ian the Admin]

By "shut it down" I just mean close SME from further posting. It won't be deleted.

[Landshark]

By "shut it down" I just mean close SME from further posting. It won't be deleted.

Will we be able to open it back up at a later date if circumstances allow?

Should I post the "Second Mosaic Earth Follow Up Thread" in chat then to get some feedback on where we go from here?

[WngMasterD]

Will we be able to open it back up at a later date if circumstances allow?

Should I post the "Second Mosaic Earth Follow Up Thread" in chat then to get some feedback on where we go from here?

That would be nice

[Landshark]

That would be nice

The first or the second?

[WngMasterD]

The Second Mosaic Earth Follow Up Thread

[DuQuense]

I could not find the SME followup thread in Chat so I'm starting a new one

[tom]

If we do have a TME, let's figure out why both the predecessors went ppfffft!

[Cockroach]

My thoughts on what killed it:
1) in the later stages conflicts developed into "I sent my troops to x and won" rather than role played campaigns e.g. the Reichs-something-arother was more or less declared defeated the moment the war started -it didn't help that who ever was controllingit stuck to only adressing it from the upper command perspective and didn't even try launching a conventional counter attack
2) The high tech nations when showing some restraint didn't cause much harm (e.g. Swamphen's Mozabique had some high tech weapons,etc. but still had a sizable conventional lower tech force) but when the space race got going and some nations developed previously unannounced capabilities things went haywire..

Some recomendations:
1) Clear up issues about battles, war, etc
2) Require nations to provide some kind of guide to the number and types of tanks, planes, ships etc they have -it was annoying during the breif campaign against the Reich to have no idea what the hostile forces were like and thus being unable to write about them
3) Place firm controls on the high tech end e.g. allow say less than 5% of any military to be equiped with weapons etc from more than 5 years ahead of OTL

[swamphen]

I tried to keep the 'megatech' within reasonable levels - I only had six of those plasma bombs. ;)

And I was rather surprised to learn I'd launched laser defense satellites. :p

[Nosb]

My thoughts on what killed it:
1) in the later stages conflicts developed into "I sent my troops to x and won" rather than role played campaigns e.g. the Reichs-something-arother was more or less declared defeated the moment the war started -it didn't help that who ever was controllingit stuck to only adressing it from the upper command perspective and didn't even try launching a conventional counter attack
2) The high tech nations when showing some restraint didn't cause much harm (e.g. Swamphen's Mozabique had some high tech weapons,etc. but still had a sizable conventional lower tech force) but when the space race got going and some nations developed previously unannounced capabilities things went haywire..

Some recomendations:
1) Clear up issues about battles, war, etc
2) Require nations to provide some kind of guide to the number and types of tanks, planes, ships etc they have -it was annoying during the breif campaign against the Reich to have no idea what the hostile forces were like and thus being unable to write about them
3) Place firm controls on the high tech end e.g. allow say less than 5% of any military to be equiped with weapons etc from more than 5 years ahead of OTL

Ya, that just irritated me to no end, so I basically give up. And it lasted about a week because they pushed it in so fast. And if i tried to write a story, they automatically tried to kill them. Not only that but things kept happening like, "I have good anti-aircraft guns" "I just destroyed them all" "Germany lunched my nukes" "My super-high tech space satellites just destroyed them" "Germans don't have concentration camps anymore" "We uncovered Nazi concentration camps" on and on and on.

It quickly turned to god-moding so I just give in.

[swamphen]

...can't speak for the rest of that (which I too found just a tad annoying at times), but revealing the bunker was a bad move. :cool:

If a TME starts, there should be a rule regarding wars - either have a Gamesmaster rolling dice for us, or a rule that says "coordinate all actions with the other player(s)"...

[GBW]

Actually, the people involved in that war should have gotten an impartial referee to run it. That was mentioned before and that's what happened with the Italy-Corsica War, while other wars, like the Spanish Moroccan War, it was a given by the participants that one side was going to lose (4 against 1 and surrounded on all sides). Others who ran wars, like the one between the Crusader States and Italy against the invading Ottomans, I don't think got a referee but had the war dragging out indecisively. One reason is I think the guy who created the Ottomans didn't stay with SME after he announced the invasion. Still, they had their nations evenly matched with the Ottomans and pursued it to some extent for story purposes.

With regards to the Kaukasus War, that was definitely a war that required a referee. The Kaukasus should have put up more of a fight instead of being squashed flat in what seemed like under a week. Nations piled on and all of them apparently sent troops and all their equipment and supplies and set up logistics in an amazingly short time. Each nation had their own weapons from different universes and supplying all the different spare parts and ammunition wouldn't have been easy in such an effort, including all the transportation that would have been required to haul it over recently won mountainous territory towards the front. There would have been bickering over whose transportation would get priorities for fuel, whose supplies would get priority on the transportation, etc. Even the USA and Great Britain bickered during WW2. Not to mention the ground advance into the Caucasus Mountains proceeded just a bit too quickly. I mean, it's the Caucasus, not the Ukraine. Then having the leader of the Kaukasus sitting in a room in Hitlerburg and calmly handing over an unconditional surrender? Nazis? Nosb said plainly they were going to fight with everything they had and it was seemingly ignored. That war should have lasted for a few months, maybe, with the terrain and the fight the Nazi forces would have put up, unless the other nations were going to carpet bomb them with nuclear weapons. Even then, some of them would have found deep caves or bunkers and would have survived to fight some sort of partisan resistance and, if nuclear weapons were used in that way, the locals might have started to doubt they were being liberated and would have fought back too. Wars are never as neat as that one turned out.

[swamphen]

Good points. TME will either need to be 100% different (doubtful) or it'll need a Gamesmaster (Warmaster? :D ).

Each nation had their own weapons from different universes and supplying all the different spare parts and ammunition wouldn't have been easy in such an effort, including all the transportation that would have been required to haul it over recently won mountainous territory towards the front. There would have been bickering over whose transportation would get priorities for fuel, whose supplies would get priority on the transportation, etc.

That's one of the reasons I kept Mozambique out (aside from aerospace support).

No offence is meant, but other players should refrain from giving their allies weapons systems that they haven't revealed yet (i.e., those lasersats).

Even then, some of them would have found deep caves or bunkers and would have survived to fight some sort of partisan resistance

My plasma bombs could penetrate 50' of earth, but I only had four left. :p