(E.I. Game) Tawanitinsuyu

[DGNT]

Full Name: The Four United Provinces (Tawanitinsuyu in Quechua)

Short Names: The Inca Empire, The Golden Empire, the American Empire, the Western Empire

Current Ruler: Atahualpa Inca III

Government: Constitutional Monarchy

Primary Language:
Quechua, is generally used as a 'Lingua Franca' in Inca colonies.

Primary Religion:
Christianity with Inca influences

Colonial Interests:
Hawaii (Not an 'official' colony, but the Tawanitinsuyu maintains strong political control. There are two Inca naval bases on the islands though.)

New Cuzco, India

Kuni Wata (Western Island), Eastern Australia

Wisa Wata (Twin Islands), New Zealand

Various Carribean Islands

Population:
48,260,000 in America
The ethnic Inca population is approximatly 6,000,000

~68,000,000 overseas (mostly in India, obviously)


Military:

Mass Levy:
2,100,000 men

Wartime:
850,000

'Elevated':
550,000

Peacetime:
200,000

'Wartime' status represents full deployment of all avalible Inca males of service age, that is, approximatly 2,000,000 men. Tradition dating back to pre-contact times dictates that all Inca males are military and are obliged to serve in the army should they be required.

A mass levy is employed only in times of dire national emergency, such as an invasion of the states themselves. While damaging to the national economy, it is far better than being overrun. Obviously in such a situation not all soldiers will be equipped with the latest and greatest in modern firearms technology.

The standard armament of the Inca military is a variant of the Russian-designed Berdan rifle, known for its simplicity, reliability and accuracy. The Inca version (Known as the Mayasuma-Berdan) has its sight in yards, rather than Arshins. There is no standard issue side-arm (RE: Pistol) but the American-made Colt 'Peacemaker' is very popular for its ability to give even the most determined local tribesmen pause.
Inca troops are issued with a 'sword' (more accuratly a knife) rather than the 'spike' type normally in use, as they must often fight in dense jungle or other enclosed spaces where a pointy bit of metal on the end of a three foot long pole is about as useful as a sausage in combat. The standard issue version of this is 6inches long, but is usually replaced by local varients in colonial areas.

Navy:
7 pre-dreadnaught battleships, with approximate comparisons to historical ships
-2 x Tulun class (Thunder) = The Russian 'Imperatritsa Ekaterina II' class
-3 x Inti Iluqsiy class (Rising Sun) = The British 'Ajax' class (Under construction at present)
-2 x Qumir Quyllur class (Jade Star) = The Italian 'Duilio' class

12 Light Cruisers

9 'Protected' Cruisers

10 'Armoured' cruisers

21 Destroyers

18 Frigates

67 Torpedo boats

8 Various older steam powered ships (mostly used as river patrols)

[robertp6165]

Your description of Tawantinsuyu (I am assuming this is supposed to be in 1900) is interesting, but I have a couple of quibbles/suggestions for editing.


Population:
11,640,000 in America
The ethnic Inca population is approximatly 1,000,000

~68,000,000 overseas (mostly in India, obviously)

I draw your attention to the following passage from the original timeline...

A.D. 1850--The population of the mainland portion of Tawantinsuyu stands at approximately 28 million as of this date, while the population of the Kingdom of Nuevo Espana stands at approximately 15 million people and the population of the United States stands at approximately 20 million. The population of the Quilombo stands at approximately 6.5 million. There are approximately 275,000 Tawantinsuya living in Australia (as opposed to over 400,000 British colonists) and approximately 60,000 Tawantinsuya living in New Zealand (along with approximately 100,000 Maoris). A further 100,000 Tawantinsuya live in India.

Since the map you posted was the 1900 map, I am assuming that is the time period we are supposed to be in. As you can see, the population of the American portion of Tawantinsuyu was already 28 million in 1850. We can safely assume it is probably significantly higher in 1900. Indeed, given that the OTL populations of the regions that would comprise Tawantinsuyu's South American territories more than doubled between 1850 and 1900, and there is little reason to think something similar would not have happened in the ATL, a more reasonable figure for the 1900 population of Tawantinsuyu's South American territories would be between 60 million and 70 million in 1900.

Navy:
7 pre-dreadnaught battleships, with approximate comparisons to historical ships
-2 x Tulun class (Thunder) = The Russian 'Imperatritsa Ekaterina II' class
-3 x Inti Iluqsiy class (Rising Sun) = The British 'Ajax' class
-2 x Qumir Quyllur class (Jade Star) = The Italian 'Duilio' class

21 Destroyers

8 Armored frigates

10 Protected frigates

67 Torpedo boats

Once again, the original timeline states that between 1800 and 1925 Tawantinsuyu went from being the number five naval power in the world (behind the British, French, Dutch, and Spanish) to being number 3 (behind Britain and France). So I would assume that it would have a much larger navy. Seven battleships is a paltry fleet. In OTL, France, Germany, and the United States in 1900 all had 20 or more battleships. Tawantinsuyu in the ATL would have at least that many. You also have forgotten the Tawantinsuya cruiser force, which is very necessary to protect Tawantinsuya commerce.

[DGNT]

Ah, I missed that passage. I got the current number by adding the population of the historical South American states in the Empire together. I assumed that it would be roughly similar due to the plauge wiping out a large portion of the American population.

As to the battleships, the United Kingdom historically had 7 pre-dreadnaughts built at this point, although a number were under construction. The number of PD's around is relativly small at this point due to the fact that most of them are still under construction. People built a HUGE amount of battleships between now and 1900, the UK alone built over 40 by my count.

And I do seem to have forgotten my cruisers >_<


EDIT:
And, prior to the Russo-Japanese War of course, I beleive the Russians or Germans would be in second place. The French battleship fleet was of rather poor design, if WoW is to be trusted.

[robertp6165]

As to the battleships, the United Kingdom historically had 7 pre-dreadnaughts built at this point, although a number were under construction. The number of PD's around is relativly small at this point due to the fact that most of them are still under construction. People built a HUGE amount of battleships between now and 1900, the UK alone built over 40 by my count.

And I do seem to have forgotten my cruisers >_<

Well, since we are talking 1880, that is probably correct. But then, you probably need to include the older model broadside and turret ironclads dating from the 1860s and early 1870s.


EDIT:
And, prior to the Russo-Japanese War of course, I beleive the Russians or Germans would be in second place. The French battleship fleet was of rather poor design, if WoW is to be trusted.

In the ATL, the French were better lead and have a better fleet. That is why I have them in second place. Russia is probably fourth after Tawantinsuyu, with Aztlan coming fifth or sixth. Prussia (there is no Germany in 1880 in the ATL) has very little in the way of a navy...having lost the Franco Prussian War, they are devoting their military spending almost exclusively on land forces.

[robertp6165]

I just offer a couple of suggestions on the new version of your factbook...

1) The population sounds good for 1900, but a little high for 1880, if that be our starting point. In 1880 I would think it would be somewhere between 40-60 million, and then between 60-70 million in 1900.

2) Your naval strength does not include any coastal defense monitors or old-style ironclad rams. All navies during this time period probably would have had numbers of these before they were phased out in favor of the new battleships.

[DGNT]

Noted, thanks.