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rameiro
November 29th, 2006, 05:24 PM
((OOC: I am aware that the Berlin Conference to divide Africa did not occur until 1884 and was initiated by the Belgians, but I've been reading a lot about Portuguese ambitions in Africa and it was their greatest desire after the loss of Brazil to connect Angola and Mozambique through Africa. Therefore, I find it of great importance that the Portuguese government hosts a conference similar to that in Berlin to discuss the future of Africa.))
To the leaders of the great nations of the world,
King Pedro V, King of Portugal extends an invitation for you to attend a conference in the fair city of Coimbra to discuss the African situation. As one of the leading colonial powers in Africa, the Portuguese Foreign Ministry believes it of utmost importance to gather and discuss what will be the eventual colonization of the Dark Continent. We request the attendance of any leader or appointed delegate of a nation with an established presence on the continent or with a legitimate reason to establish a presence on the continent. We look forward to your attendance.
Respectfully,
King Pedro V, Emperor of the Portuguese Empire, Sovereign of Benguela
((I know this is a lot of OOC, but it's simply to explain everything. If your nation does not already have an established presence in Africa, be reasonable with whether you attend. Realisitically, countries like Japan are not going to request colonial rights in Africa but a nation like Austria or Prussia might.))
DGNT
November 29th, 2006, 05:54 PM
King Pedro V of Portugal,
The Tsar will send a representative to attend this confrence, although Russia has no present colonial interests in Africa, a less remote colony than Alaska would be useful in dispatching ships to that colony, as well as our own local interests.
The delegate will arrive soon, we will, of course, await his report here in St. Petersburg.
Tsar Nicholas of Russia
(OOC:
Before people jump up and say "LOLZ RUSIA NO COLONIZE" consider the current political climate.
Its basically a Cold War between Russia and the UK, and Russia is going to jump at any chance to annoy the Brits.
What could be more annoying than yet another extended land boarder with Russia?)
Risban
November 29th, 2006, 07:24 PM
To His Majesty, King Pedro V of Portugal,
Although the Kingdom of Italy, formerly the Kingdom of Piedmont-Sardinia, does not at present have any colonial interests in Africa, we would be interested in expanding into the Dark Continent once our southern peninsula is pacified. A delegate of will come to represent Italy and the House of Savoy.
Signed,
Count Camillo Cavour, Prime Minister of Italy
((All I can say is z0mg for Italian nationalism and the enforcement of a need for Romanness by the current king))
Mexico
November 30th, 2006, 12:31 AM
To His Majesty, King Pedro the Fifth,
The United Kingdom will send a representative to this meeting on behalf of the Queen, who must remain in London to attend to matters of state. The United Kingdom welcomes a diplomatic and sensible approach to the dividing of Africa, hopefully preventing a situation such as the one in North America that sparked many wars between European neighbors over far off lands.
Your Humble Servant,
The Right Honourable Henry John Temple, Prime Minister of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland, Viscount Palmerson
General_Paul
November 30th, 2006, 12:56 AM
To His Majesty, King Pedro the Fifth,
The Kaisertum Österreich (Austrian Empire) will send a representative of his royal highness, Emperor Franz Josef I to represent the interests of the Austrian Empire at the meeting in Coimbra. We are highly interested in expanding Austrian interests into the Dark Continent and look forward to hearing the opinions of all other European nations interested in the mysterious continent. May the grace of God go with you, and may the blessings of the almighty shine down upon the right and honorable kingdom of Portugal.
Most Sincerely,
Emperor Franz Josef I, By the Grace of God, Emperor of Austria, King of Hungary and Bohemia,
King of Lombardy-Venetia, of Dalmatia, Croatia, Slavonia, Galicia, Lodomeria and Illyria; King of Jerusalem etc., Archduke of Austria; Grand Duke of Tuscany and Kraków, Duke of Lorraine, of Salzburg, Styria, Carinthia, Carniola and of the Bukovina; Grand Prince of Transylvania; Margrave of Moravia; Duke of Upper and Lower Silesia, of Modena, Parma, Piacenza and Guastalla, of Auschwitz (Oświęcim) and Zator, of Teschen (Cieszyn/Český Těšín), Friuli, Ragusa (Dubrovnik) and Zara (Zadar); Princely Count of Habsburg and Tyrol, of Kyburg, Gorizia and Gradisca; Prince of Trent (Trento) and Brixen; Margrave of Upper and Lower Lusatia and in Istria; Count of Hohenems, Feldkirch, Bregenz, Sonnenberg, etc.; Lord of Trieste, of Cattaro (Kotor), and in the Wendish Mark; Grand Voivode of the Voivodship of Serbia etc.
(OOC: Well, I'll not be signing every note with THAT grand title...but anyways, DGNT, Russia and Britain were in a Cold War before the outbreak of the Crimean War, it just wan't really talked about. The Great Game in Central Asia is the largest part of that Cold War, with British and Russian Army officers leaving their comfy offices and entering the unknown wilderness of areas like Afghanistan, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, and so on. Russian colonies in Africa may not have had much of a chance in OTL, but the odds are you'll get at least a few colonies now. I look forward to playing the Great Game with you in Africa then!)
Fatstalin
November 30th, 2006, 02:54 AM
To HRH, Pedro V of Portugal:
It is with great interest that His Majesty King Wilhelm I views such a gracious invitation. Indeed, it is time that such savages are to be tamed under the guiding light of Christian faith and Western law. Thus, represenatives of the Kingdom of Prussia shall attend this "meeting" of great nations.
Your Humble Servant,
Baron von Schleinitz
Foreign Minister to HRH Wilhelm I of Prussia
rameiro
November 30th, 2006, 03:16 AM
The weeks following the invitations were fraught with arrivals and dinners honoring each ambassador individually. When the final delegates arrived in Coimbra and were accomodated at the king's second palace, negotiations commenced. King Pedro began the meeting by introducing each delegate and gave short speech regarding the current and potential colonial powers in Africa.
"I would like to begin our discussions by addressing what I believe the most important of what we hope to achieve by our convergance here. Several nations have stepped forward showing interest in developing colonial empires in Africa. As Portugal currently has little interest outside of small, southern territory, I believe that it is important to hear what ambitions these potential colonists have for their eventual colonization of the Dark Continent. I ask that each nation showing interest in colonization present their ideas for expansion and then we shall hold it to a vote. If the vote should come to a tie, I will select whom I believe to be an impartial judge to be the "tie breaker", for lack of a better term." Focusing the delegate directly to his right ((whoever posts first)), King Pedro requested that he stand and make his case.
General_Paul
November 30th, 2006, 04:16 AM
As King Pedro finished his speach, Duke Wilhelm von Mannerheim suddenly began to realize just what was to occur next, "I'm sitting next to the king...this is a chance for the Austrian Empire to make her voice heard!" Mannerheim excitedly thought. Quickely collecting his thoughts, Duke Mannerheim took a drink of the French champagne imported to the conference, and no sooner had he set down his champagne flute, did King Pedro motion for him to stand. Mannerheim nodded, smiled politely, and stood to address the delegation.
He cleared his throat, and began. "My fellow delegates, how it pleases me to be in the presence of such fine men, representing the nations of the most civilized continent on our fair planet. I would first like to start by thanking our most generous host, his highness King Pedro, for putting his nation forward to host such an event." Mannerheim raised his glass in a salute to the king, who smiled politely and returned the gesture. "The dark continent has always been an enigma for the men who traveled there in search of honor, glory, and of course, the fabled gold and riches of the dark continent. It is on this occasion that we delegates have been brought here by the grace of god to decide the fate of the most enigmatic, mysterious, and unexplored continent on Earth. In doing so, all of our nations shall bring with them, the promise of bringing true European civilization, to a continent known for its savage barbarity."
The last comment made most of the delegates snicker, remembering tales of the small independent ex-slave nation on the Ivory Coast, Liberia, and the images of angry native tribes and the plagues that swept through the population of the earliest settlers. "His majesty, Emperor Franz Josef, has directed me to outline an Austrian colonial sphere that will, if approved, encompass a part of the dark continent as ripe with history as ancient Austria herself. In the north of the continent, in the vast and sweeping deserts Tripoli have long been claimed by the Ottoman Empire, however after our American...ahem, friends, proceeded to ravage the coastline of the Barbary States, the area has been in a state of flux, with local power bases rising and falling like the tides of the Mediterranean during a full moon. We would like to claim this land to which we know as "Tripoli" for the fair and honorable Austrian Empire." (Modern Libya, and Chad, or thereabouts)
Mannerheim stopped for a second to take a small sip of champagne, then proceeded to continue. "The claim for Tripoli shall run due south, through the feifdom of Fezzan, encompasing the cities of Ghat and Anai. From there, we will turn south, south-east, to embrace Tibesti Country, forming the twin colonies of Tripoli, and Tibesti." He stopped again, taking an additional sip of champagne and allowed the images to settle for a second before continuing. "Further south, lie the regional fiefs of Habesh (Abyssna), and Galla Country, which, along with the empty and arrid lands of Somali Country, with the capital at Magadoxo, could form the colony of Galla, with the regional capital at Cape Guardian."
He stopped again, taking in the reactions from the group, and moved on. "Finally, south of Galla, lies the untamed and wild lands of Uganda, Masailand, Uzinza, Usagara, Usango, Unyamuezi, Itawa,Ulungu, Lobisa, and Manyema, (modern Kenya, Uganda, Rwanda, Burundi, and Tanzania) to which Franz Josef shall call the colony of Zanzibar." Breathing out a sigh of relief, Mannerheim began to relax his guard a little with the full claim out in the open.
"Honorable gentlemen, what Austria seeks is her place alongside the nations of Europe in Africa. What we ask for is but a small percentage of the available lands in the dark continent, and if asked, we are willing to negotiate our borders in any of the three colonies should the need arise. May God bless all of you tonight, and in the days ahead. Thank you."
With that, Mannerheim sat down to the sound of both applause, and some groans. It was then that he knew, it would be a long night...
(OOC: Here's the map I used, it's from 1890 but serves its purpose well: http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/historical/africa_1890.jpg )
Risban
November 30th, 2006, 07:47 AM
The Italian delegate stood after the Austrian sat back down, sighing. It was well known that Austro-Italian relations were incredibly strained, what with the Italians gaining their independence from the Austrians in the recent Second War of Independence, especially with the Risorgimento still running strong in southern Italy. Nonetheless, the delegate had strick orders from Count Cavour not to start any fights with the Austrians and try remain civil and compromising. But the Austrian had asked for the lands--the only lands--that Italy was considering taking.
"Noble King and ambassadors, on behalf of His Royal Majesty King Victor Emmanuel II of the House of Savoy and Count Camillo Bensi di Cavour, Prime Minister of the Kingdom of Piedmont-Sardinia, I would have to state a disagreeance with a few claims the noble Austrian delegate set forth. The Italians, as you know, are still slowly unifying and getting used to be independent from foreign powers... As such, our resources are not that of other nations. It is such that the noble Italians would like to lay claim as well to the Barbary Coast-- formerly, as you know, owned by our great ancestors. It would be much easier for Italy to control and build-up, and in the end the benefit to all of mighty Europe would prove better than if Italy were to lay claim elsewhere. We would only like the territories along the coast--not too far inland. The dark heart of Africa can be left to you mightier powers to split betwixt yourselves."
He paused for a moment, looking at the sketchy map that the Portuguese had set forward.
"If this council would be willing, the House of Savoy would also like to split the far island of Madagascar with another power to aid in the expansion of Italian trade to the Far East. This is, however, more of a luxury and not on our most important list, and we would be understanding if it is not granted. But the Barbary Coast is our strongest desire, and we believe that the noble Austrians would be able to gain more, given their certain strengths, in parts of Africa that could prove to be more industrially useful."
He returned to his seat and awaited a response.
rameiro
November 30th, 2006, 05:15 PM
The Portuguese king listened respectfully to both the Austrian and Italian delegates. Sensing that already, conflicts were beginning to arise, he stood up and addressed the Austrian and Italian delegates in turn.
“Those are vast claims for Austria, Lord Mannerheim. It would do little to deny the evident power of the Austrian Empire in Europe, but you have succeeded in claiming to regions I know for a fact that have been desired by two nations besides the one of your lord sovereign’s. I believe that the eastern region that you claimed in the latter portion of your speech is rightfully British or Prussian territory due to economic influence in that area. However, I am sure that an arrangement can be met over the division of the Barbary States. If we were to divide the region into two separate regions between the Italians and Austrians, a solution can be reached. I move that we divide the Barbary States in two, awarding the eastern portion consisting of the fair city of Tripoli, we shall maybe refer to it as its Roman name, Tripolitania, to Italy simply to secure Italy’s holdings on their homeland peninsula. The areas that Lord Mannerheim spoke of before, consisting of Tibesti, Fezzan, and the Barca region, which we may also refer to by its Romanized name, Cyrenaica to create the Austrian-Numidian Colonies. As for the fate of Madagascar, I see no trouble in negotiating with the French for the northern port of Cape Auber for Austrian use. But let us not stop here, what says the assembly?”
With that, he regained his seat.
DGNT
November 30th, 2006, 06:45 PM
The Russian delegate, apparently somewhat disinterested in the previous rather long diatribes, stood and made a short greeting to the others before he spoke, "As you know, Russia is not a major overseas presence. Therefore, our claims to Africa shall be small. A parcel of territory along the Red Sea, in order to resupply Russian ships heading for the Pacific, and perhaps some portion of the Western coast."
The man paused, seemed about to sit, then straightened again, "However, Russia must extend its claims to the current Ottoman territorys of Africa, should the Ottoman Empire refuse the peace demanded by the Tsar. It has no doubt been made clear by the Tsar declaration that our interests in the Ottoman Empire run into removing it from a position where it is capable of threatening our troops. Of course, Russia will respect current European claims to those territories, such as the French ownership of the Suez Canal and various ports along the coast.
"And, if I may be so bold," The man looked at the Austrian, "I beleive it could be considered impolite to speak fo parceling up a European powers colonial claims to Africa while they are not present to defend themselves. I am, of course, speaking of Tunis, which I beleive is currently claimed by the French."
rameiro
November 30th, 2006, 07:40 PM
((I must note that I mistakenly stated that the Austrians could possibly recieve Port Auber, but I meant the Italians. My apologies.))
Fatstalin
December 1st, 2006, 02:49 AM
Standing from his seat, Prussian delegate Erwin von Hausenbeck faced the King and crowd, his hands planted against his thighs and posture straight back like that of a soldier. Of course, being that Hausenbeck had served his fair share of years within the spartan autocracy known as the Prussian Army, his movements were rigid and carefully executed as he made his speech.
"To Your Majesty," he offered, raising his glass of wine high into the air. "For if it were not of your own divine initiative, we could not enjoy such civilized festivities."
Setting his glass down upon the table (after promptly downing half its contents in a less than regal fashion), the husky german returned to his stance of attention, curiously scanning the room with his light blue eyes at those before him. Although the assembly was quite intimidating for a diplomat of only 2 years, the experiences of conflict from previous years had made him a man afriad of few things.
"I apologize if I am curt in my words. Nonetheless, it cannot seem rational for His Excellency in Vienna to divy up half this damned wasteland. Instead, I feel as if it would be more proper as to remain...reserved in our initial claims. Then, once the ambitions of every crown have been set upon the table, we may choose to expand at the expense of the others. Is that not the proper method of negotiation?"
Taking no time to await a response, the blue and black clad Hausenbeck shifted his attention to the rather large map kept on display at the edge of the conference (OOC: I would imagine that with people throwing around vauge locals on the continent, a map would be needed for clarity). Then, upon clearing his voice, he clicked his leather heels and continued to speak.
"Now I must say Prussia, in lacking a stomach for such overseas expenditures, only wishes to claim a modest portion of the continent for her own purposes. The first porition of territory would be centered around the direct premises of Albomey on the Gold Coast where, nearly two centuries past, our fore-fathers laid their first claim to the continent. As we wish not to interfere with the affairs of France or Britain, the width of such territories would be kept to a minimum, perhaps 60-100 km wide."
"The next territory upon which we would like to lay claim is that of lands formally known as 'Cameroon,' extending from the vicinity of Duke Town to the realm of the Great Batonga here."
Using his gloved index finger, the Prussian extended his left arm across the map to the appropriate destinations, tracing out rough borders for each of them.
"Finally," he continued, moving his index finger slowly southward. "The desert regions of the Kalahari, in being relatively simple to manage, have captured the attention of His Majesty. If it would be possible, a Prussian enclave could be carved from Cape Frio in the north to the Orange River in the south and extend maybe 250 km into the interior of the continent. Of course, the British enclave at Walvis Bay would be preserved under the dominion of such authorities."
"Is such a proposition not reasonable, I ask?" offered Erwin to the crowd.
[OOC: Essentially, I have claimed the OTL territories of the German Empire, excluding Tanzania (as Zanzibar was well within the British sphere of influence as of this time). In reality, I do not expect too much controvery over my claims as two of the three regions (excluding the porition of Ghana on the Gold Coast) are pretty much worthless at this time (their lands suitable only for farming and grazing, mostly).]
rameiro
December 1st, 2006, 03:26 PM
((I figured things would run much more smoothly if we referred to the map attached. We could use the territory names and everyone would be on the same page. The colors mean nothing, they're just a way to differentiate between territories.))
The Portuguese king, sensing unease amongst the delegates, stood once more to excercise his presence and demand for civility.
"My friends, I am aware that the Austrian delegate has made large and somewhat unreasonable claims on the continent, but we are here to discuss, not insult, however subtly. I would like to take this time to reiterate what we have heard and encourage the current colonial powers in Africa to voice their opinions. Vienna seeks to establish colonies along the Libyan coastline in what is now the Ottoman Barbary States. They also wish to colonize the area that now encompasses Ethiopia, Swahililand, Ruanda, Equatoria, Uganda, and Tanganyika. The latter is unlikely, for many countries have already established bases there and Austrian conquest of the region could lead to more conflict than needed."
"It is my belief that Ethiopia is rightfully Italian land, and if they wish not to take it, they may pass it off onto which ever nation they please. Swahililand, Equatoria, and Uganda are what I believe to be British lands, and should therefore remain under their administration. Tanganyika and Ruanda should fall under the sovereignty of the Prussian government, for historically they are Prussian spheres of influence. Prussia also laid claim to the areas known as Cameroun, Damaraland, and Togoland. I believe these are perfectly reasonable claims considering Prussia's economic influence on Africa throughout history. Of course, Walvis Bay would remain British."
"However, not all of Austria's claims will be ignored. In establishing a solely European presence on the continent, it is imperative that the Ottoman forces be expelled from Egypt, Cyrenaica, and Tripolitania. If Egypt were to be awarded to either the Russians or British we could split the Barbary region in two to accomodate both Austrian and Italian needs. I once again move to place Cyrenaica under Austrian control and Tripolitania under Italian control. Portugal will lend any ships needed to any of the aforementioned four countries to establish their presence in those regions."
"The Italians have also shown interest on the island of Malagasy. It is currently ruled by the French, but I believe that with negotiation, a small portion of the northern peninsula of the island can come under Italian administration."
"Last, but certainly not least, we heard from our friend the Russian delegate. He expressed his country's desire to establish a presence along the Red Sea, but that it not be significant in size. I suggest the territory of Eritrea. It is currently unclaimed and would make for a perfect passage for Russia into the Indian Ocean. Finally, and I know this may seem bold and slightly unreasonable, the Congo region has remained long unclaimed by any country. However, I believe that the Russians are one of the few countries powerful enough to tame such a region. Full of natural resources and even a small portion of western coastline, I believe the Congo would make an excellent colony for the Russian Empire. Not only would this benefit the Russian economy, but it would also benefit the French and potential British and Prussian claims in the territory. Not to mention, Portugal's ambitions to expand westward from Angola into Northern Rhodesia with an alliance with the Russians." He said the last part as an afterthought.
"I ask that you consider these ideas and respond with what you think would work, and what you think may not." He sat once again.
Risban
December 1st, 2006, 03:42 PM
The Italian delegate stroked his chin, thinking about this offer. It seemed Tunisia still remained open, and Tunisia--home of the former Carthage--was closer to Italy and thus easier to control.
"The House of Savoy will forget its former plea for land in Madagascar in order that our claims to Tripolitania, which the noble King has offered to us in this compromise, as well as Tunisia, which remains unclaimed. To satisfy Austrian claims, we would be willing to offer Austria the southern half of our claim to Ethiopia, provided that the great powers be willing to off both Austria and Italy a coast in Ethiopia. I would suggest granting Italy the territory of North Somaliland and the upper half of South Somaliland, then granting Austria the lower half of South Somaliland. This would permit us to more better access and support the Ethiopian colony."
He sat back down to await the responses of others, particularly the Austrian response.
General_Paul
December 1st, 2006, 04:21 PM
The Italian delegate stroked his chin, thinking about this offer. It seemed Tunisia still remained open, and Tunisia--home of the former Carthage--was closer to Italy and thus easier to control.
"The House of Savoy will forget its former plea for land in Madagascar in order that our claims to Tripolitania, which the noble King has offered to us in this compromise, as well as Tunisia, which remains unclaimed. To satisfy Austrian claims, we would be willing to offer Austria the southern half of our claim to Ethiopia, provided that the great powers be willing to off both Austria and Italy a coast in Ethiopia. I would suggest granting Italy the territory of North Somaliland and the upper half of South Somaliland, then granting Austria the lower half of South Somaliland. This would permit us to more better access and support the Ethiopian colony."
He sat back down to await the responses of others, particularly the Austrian response.
Mannerheim was not a happy man. The Austrian claims were far too grand, and yet he would not be left out of the colonial division. He stood up and cleared his throat. "My dear sirs, thank you for at least listening to the Austrian claims. Italian claims to Abyssinia have been voiced, and yet, I would like to ask the Italian representative, when will you have time to colonize Tripoli, Somaliland, or Abyssinia? If I'm not mistaken, you are still in the middle of an open Civil War between the north and south. Though you should be allowed to claim lands in Tripoli and in North Somaliland, your claim to Abyssinia can not be enforced in the current time. When are you to enforce your claim, in ten years when you have finally finished unifying the Italian Peninsula? Sirs, I understand your shock at the vast Austrian claims, but slimming our claims down to half of Tripoli is an outrage, and an insult to the Austrian Empire! We ask for an equal share of the dark continent, and yoy give us scraps of desert! if the Italians wish to enforce their Abyssinia claims, I suggest that they perhaps invent some sort of flying machine, and transport a few thousand men there to enforce it, otherwise any Italian claims to Abyssinia are nothing more than a fantasy and I will not stand for Austria to be insulted in such a fashion as it has been here today!"
DGNT
December 1st, 2006, 04:47 PM
The Russian raised an eyebrow, "Ah, such generosity. Perhaps we could forget such French claims to Africa. However, the question still arises as to the Russian claims to Northern Africa. Tripoli, as an Ottoman territory, falls under our claim. While the Congo is signficant, it has little access from the sea. Therefore, we would question the avalibility of the territories of Tangankiya and Ruanda, which would provide the access needed to reach the interior of Africa. For such compensation, I beleive the Tsar will be willing to forget his North African ambitions, although it is unlikely that the British will be covienced to part with Zanzibar."
Having said this he shot a look at the Italian and Austrian delegates, "And, dear sirs, I do suggest that you calm yourselves. This is not the time or place for insults. You, my Austrian friend, should be aware that Italian unification is an important issue at this time, and the Piedmontese have taken great pains to avoid war at points."
"As to the claims issue, I must agree that Austria perhaps deserves a slightly larger claim. Mauritania is unclaimed at present, although the interior is mostly desert I beleive that the coast is quite pleasant, and would make a fine addition to Austrian claims."
rameiro
December 1st, 2006, 05:35 PM
((I probably made a mistake by not including the map that already applies to this world, but Tunisia is currently French and Puntland is already Italian. I'll post it at the bottom.))
Nodding in response to the Russian delegate's speech, the Portuguese king stood up once more to dowse the flames currently roaring between the Italian and Austrian delegates.
"My friends, please, this is not a place of conflict. This is a place of peaceful negotiation, we must act with the common civility that makes Europe the sophisticated center of modern world that it is! Now I understand the Austrian delegate's anger that his claims have been downsized to a "mere expanse of desert" but his claims are simply to optimistic for new colonial power. It is unfair that a potential colonial nation claim territories long since claimed, if not officially, by older more experienced colonial powers. Now, I for one will not deny Austrian claims to Cyrenaica, but we are forgetting that Italy already has claim to Puntland, and Britain and France have claim to South and North Somaliland, respectively. If Italy were willing to bequeath a region we may call Lower Puntland (southern Puntland) to the Austrians and kept Upper Puntland (northern Puntland) for themselves, the Italians would have their east African needs meant and the Austrians would have a passage to the sea from Abyssinia."
"And I believe the Italians were willing to give Abyssinia to the Austrians if the Austrians left Tripolitania for the Italians." He looked pointedly at the Austrian delegate.
"Now I recognize Russia's claims to Ottoman North Africa, however, I believe a solution can be reached if the Prussians agree to hand over the rights to Tanganyika in exchange for, let's say, the Congo? Or even the area I originally suggested for the Russians, encompassing Nubia and Eritrea?"
Before sitting down once more, the king adressed the Russian suggestion for Austrian colonization of Mauritania.
"Our Russian friend brought up an excellent idea. What if Austria were to colonize Mauritania? This could lead to quite a successful Atlantic trade route with the Americans or Brazilians which would definately boost Austria's economy."
DGNT
December 1st, 2006, 05:38 PM
"Ertia alone will suit our purposes, and we are willing to accept either Ottoman Africa or the Congo and the adjacent territories mentioned, as the Congo without those territories would be difficult to supply without passing through other colonial claims."
rameiro
December 1st, 2006, 05:39 PM
((Current status of Africa:
Orange = British
Dark Blue = French
Olive = Ottomans
Gray = Prussians
Gold = Spaniards
Dark Green = Italians
Ligth Green = Portuguese))
DGNT
December 2nd, 2006, 01:19 AM
The Russian delegate, after a whispered conversation with an aid, spoke up again, "I have been informed that the Tsar also wish to be declared as protector of the Orthodox Christians of Abbysinia, as the area has a relativly large population of such Christians and it would displease him greatly if they were threatened by Catholic or Protestant 'conversions'."
Mexico
December 2nd, 2006, 11:12 PM
The British delegate had stayed silent through these proceedings thus far, looking to see what claims others would make. Clearly the Austrians had dellusions of grandure, the Italians were attempting to claim land that they had no way of protecting or settling, and the Russians were being completely absurd - not that it was unexpected - although the French were staying silent as well. Time to lay down the law thought the British ambassador, Warren Bradford. Bradford stood to take his turn to speak, and offer Her Majesty's claims a voice.
"Dear sirs, thank you for attending this event. The United Kingdom has thus far sat by and allowed many claims to be made without much rhyme or reason, and some are outright silly. However, the Kingdom will now address the issues and make our rightful claims to the Dark Continent." he began,
"Quite obviously the areas already colonized by Britain will be held on to, but further claims are as follows: Britain claims all of the Ottoman Egypt, and rejects Russian claim to ANY of Ottoman Africa. The UK would also like to ask France for the Suez Canal and would be willing to give up claims to Malagasy, Angola, and other areas currently occupied by the French, along with allowing a French colony on the Gold Coast region (coastal West Africa), which is traditionally claimed as a near-exclusively Anglo-dominated area."
"In regards to Russia's wish for a Red Sea colony, the United Kingdom would entertain a claim to Eritrea, and even northern Abyssinia, but as stated before any attempt by Russia to claim any Ottoman territory in Africa will be firmly opposed by the United Kingdom and the power of the Royal Navy. Furthermore, Britain finds a Russian Congo would be simply impossible, and will not allow such a happening. Russia's claims to the Dark Continent shall not move further than Eritrea and possibly northern Abyssinia. Anything further will not be recognized by the United Kingdom."
"As to the issue of the Austrian claims, the United Kingdom would suggest giving them claim to Cyrenaica, Chad, Niger, and Upper Congo. Any more would be ignoring the situation of Austrian ability to project influence overseas. While Austria's army is one of the best on the continent, its naval capacity makes Britain pause at giving it large tracks of coastal lands, but instead believes it should look into the depths of the Dark Continent, and bring civilization to those areas."
"As for Italy, Britain supports their claim to Tripolitania and would allow a southern Abyssinian colony. If Russia refuses to give up its ridiculous claim to Ottoman Africa, then Britain would support a fully Italian Abyssinia. Tunis, as the Russian delegate stated, is clearly French."
"Finally, Prussia's modest claims are fully acceptable to the United Kingdom and we thank the Prussians for their reasonable stance." the delegate finished.
DGNT
December 2nd, 2006, 11:31 PM
The Russian snorted, "And since when has the Russian Empire been beholden to you? I suggest the British cease with idle declarations of their power. As far as out-sized demands go, I beleive our English friend has topped even the initial Austrian request.
"I do beleive that the United Kingdom would do well to respect our Portugese hosts suggestions, as I for one beleive that the British hold quite enough of the African continient already.
"The Russian Empire has a legitimate claim to Ottoman Africa, and we will enforce it. Or do the British intend to inflict any more stunning defeats on us, such as they did at Balaclava? No, declarations of British superiority are not welcomed here, and you insult all those present with your declarations of 'authority'. Either respect the fact that you are dealing with equals here, or go back to your docktown."
Mexico
December 3rd, 2006, 01:45 AM
"Russia has no claim to Ottoman Africa, and if you cannot respect this then the United Kingdom will not respect any of Russia's claims to African lands anywhere." the British delegate replied. "Your victory in the war was one of luck and proximity. In Africa, you would have neither, and I doubt very highly Russia could even project power to the Dark Continent. Go back to fighting off Ottomans wielding muskets and Central Asians wielding bows while the colonial powers discuss actual possibilities for the future of the African continent if you do not wish to be reasonable. Britain does not need to hear the opinion of Russia on the issue of lands which they have no ability to take, nor hold."
DGNT
December 3rd, 2006, 01:49 AM
"Oh dear, is somebody feeling a bit sensitive? Maybe you need to go back to crushing sword wielding Hindus before you take on a real opponent.
"The Tsar has laid claim to ALL Ottoman territory. Even as we do not have proximity soon, we shall once we arrive at the gates of Jerusalem."
rameiro
December 3rd, 2006, 02:05 AM
The Portuguese king stood up once more, in a foul temper. Keeping his emotions in check, he calmly addressed the assembly.
"This is not a place for the exchange of petty insults." He looked pointedly at the British delegate. "We are here to listen to all opinions, and I am surprised that it has only been I and the Russian delegate who seem to be able to make suggestions for the success of other countries, not assertions of our own demands."
He sighed heavily and continued. "Firstly, I would like to correct any false illusions the United Kingdom may have that they have any sort of claim to the territory of Angola. As sovereign of the Portuguese Empire I excercise full and utmost control over the territories of Angola, Mozambique, Cabinda, and Cape Verde. I might also add that Malagasy is currently under French control."
"Secondly, I would like to address the Tsar's claim to Abyssinia. This, I am afraid, is absurd. We cannot claim regions that we have little influence in simply because of the local religion. The Italians do not claim Portugal because we are of the same denomination. And stating the Russian invasion of Jerusalem is not wise either, as that area is shared by MANY religions, including the Protestants of England, the Catholics of Portugal, and even the Muslims of the Ottoman Empire." The King was well-versed in foreign religions.
"Now Eritrea is a more than generous offer for the Russian Empire and I still firmly believe in a Russian presence in the Congo. If the British have such a concern for Russian expansion into the region, why have they not expanded there themselves? However, I am not completely against British expansion in the British Empire. I believe that Egypt is most certainly a reasonable claim for the British Empire, assuming the French give up their territories at Suez. Britain's suggestions for the Austrian expansion into northern Africa is also an excellent idea, but will have to be discussed with the French and Prussian delegates as both have influences in the area. I am also fully in support of British expansion into East Africa, particularly Uganda and Swahililand. I would also like to personally discuss acquisition of Northern Rhodesia by the Portuguese with the British delegate."
"I do not anyone here to perceive that the Portuguese are in any way against their expansion into Africa unless they make direct claims to territories that are rightfully that of another nation."
DGNT
December 3rd, 2006, 02:33 AM
"Perhaps I should clarify." The Russian delegate spoke as he abruptly turned his back on the Englishman, "The Tsar does not care to OWN Abbysinia, he merely wishes to have it noted in legal documentation that he protects the rights of the native Orthodox Christians. This is a long standing tradition in some portions of Europe, and an important factor in the liberation of the Balkans from the Ottomans."
He paused a moment.
"And the Russian Empire of course supports any previous claims to African territory. Unless an area is purchased or traded for fairly. And we will, if it is required, use military force to assure such claims."
Mexico
December 3rd, 2006, 02:35 AM
Bradford was about to say, Russia started it, you know but quickly decided that sounded a tad immature and instead just ignored the point. "Russia should not get too bold, lest we and the European community feel it would be best for the balance of power if your capital was in flames and your armies returning to their farms." the Englishman stated flatly before returning to speaking with the King.
"Apologies, I appear to have misspoke when I said Angola and had instead meant Algeria. Again, apologies to Your Highness. As for those territories, we are quite aware they are under French control, but had claim to some of the areas which had been colonized. Britain was attempting to reconcile any potential issues so that Africa does not become yet another battleground, although some of us see it fit to make it one, apparently." the ambassador said, shooting a quick glance at the Russian delegate before returning to his speech.
"Britain has not expanded into the Congo as Britain feels that another nation such as Prussia or yourself would have more claim to it than we do. But most certainly, if it is a choice between our occupation and Russia's, it is no question, we will hold Congo. Britain at this time would like to suggest that instead Portugal, Prussia, Belgium, and perhaps France partition the area between themselves."
"Egypt is already essentially under the control, or at the very least the protection, of the United Kingdom. If France would be willing to give up the Suez, the United Kingdom would give many allowances to French interests elsewhere on the continent."
"Britain is not aware of any Prussian influence on any of the suggested areas, although I may be mistaken. France would of course be consulted on this matter, but I question their influence on the area as well."
"Britain has little desire at this time to expand into major inland East Africa, but would support a Dutch colonization or another ally entering the area."
"Britain's main desires at this time are to secure its claim on Egypt from the crumbling Ottomans, ensure the fair dealing out of land and recognizing of only the reasonable and proper claims to land which will prevent an implosion of the balance of power, improve Britain's grip on the Gold Coast, and if France would agree take over the Suez Canal."
Risban
December 3rd, 2006, 07:02 AM
The Italian sat back silently, listening to the greater powers exchange insults. He remained silent, even though he had some certain choice words for the Russian's ridiculous claims to the expanses of the Ottoman Empire. The Russian arrogance was one thing that both the Savoyards and the Papacy agreed against. Nevertheless, he held his tongue. Then their host spoke again, followed once more by an exchange between Russia and Britain. Finally, the Italian stood up, just to respond to Britain's earlier comments.
"The House of Savoy will agree to the British deal in regards to an Italian Tripolantia and an Italian Abyssinia," said he. "We also remind the Russians that it is not in the habit of Italian Catholics to harm Orthodox Christians, whether in Europe or Africa, and that the Tsar needs hardly worry about Orthodox Christians living in Italian-controlled territories. If anything, we will reinforce their protection from both Nature and Natives."
rameiro
December 7th, 2006, 05:09 PM
((OOC: I'm hoping this won't die... and anyway, I believe this would be an appropriate time for an Austrian or Prussian interjection???))
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