(E.I. Game) The next EI

[DGNT]

THREAD CLOSED

See 'EI Final' topic for continuation.

Kthnxbai

[DrakeRlugia]

If you do B, you might as well just do an RP based on the Years of Rice and Salt....

[DGNT]

Maybe, but, as usual, I was thinking of one with a bit more of the Americans in it. Considering a 1800 or so start date, I would say that the Americans would have adopted at least some Chinese technology, and would have trans-oceanic capable ships.

[Muse_Of_History]

I think the only viable ones (for a balanced game in any of the three centuries of your choosing) are the England discovers America one, and the Chinese beat the Japanese win the battle of Yalu.

[DGNT]

I think the only viable ones (for a balanced game in any of the three centuries of your choosing) are the England discovers America one, and the Chinese beat the Japanese win the battle of Yalu.
Depends. In the Americas one, nobody is particularly powerful. Sure the American states have trans-oceanic ability, but the ability to send huge amounts of people (especially military people) is a bit beyond them. Chinese history most likely would be unnaffected by European interaction up until the 1840's, and I dont see Africa developing uber-empires of doom.

In the English-won Hundred Years War, Englands new power is balanced by the fact that it has to occupy France, a task which even the French have trouble with sometimes.

In the Crimean War one, Russian-English relations would be even worse than they were historically. Sure Russia won, but England would stick a HUGE number of ships in the Aegean/Med to keep the Ruskies from getting too expansion-happy.

[DGNT]

Excellent. Four votes, all for different things.

Non-EI members are encouraged to vote, remember.

[Zomby]

I like the alternate-Crimean War one.

I think an alternate-Anglo-Spanish War could be interesting too, if set in the future around the early-to-mid 1800's.

[Matt]

So, were going to have a lovely restart. The IC forums will be cleared out (Ill see if I can get an 'archives' forum set up so I dont have to delete them), and all claims will be nullified.



Voted Crimea War, as for this is concern just lock the threads up and let em settle to the bottom naturally.

[DGNT]

Voted Crimea War, as for this is concern just lock the threads up and let em settle to the bottom naturally.
Eh, I like to keep old threads preserved in one place. Museumy, but I guess that works as well.

[stickfigure950]

Either B or C. Perferrably B.

I want to try an RP WAY back when there was still no gunpowder and a bunch of duchies and kingdoms. Matter of fact, I think that, in those times, only the European continent should be RPed, so that we'll get a lot more activity. Besides, practically nothing happens in Asia back then. At least internationally.

[DGNT]

Either B or C. Perferrably B.

I want to try an RP WAY back when there was still no gunpowder and a bunch of duchies and kingdoms. Matter of fact, I think that, in those times, only the European continent should be RPed, so that we'll get a lot more activity. Besides, practically nothing happens in Asia back then. At least internationally.
Oh yes, only a lot of horribly bloody wars and stuff, nothing major.

Anyway, as I said, Earth IMPERIALISM. That means at least the 1500's, or their equivalent if we do B, since technology will advance more slowly.

[Salsahead]

The Salsahead says
Vote option B so my Chinese Empire will totally pwn all you diseased Europeans fool

[DGNT]

Woo, tied poll.
Ill give this until noon tommorow, unless its still tied.
If its still tied Ill flip a coin or roll a die or something.

[DGNT]

Did I mention that I think its ironic that, after the mass declarations of Russia-wank in the previous RP, that a Russia-Wank scenario is the most popular option in this poll?
I guess not <_<

[Isis'Phen]

lol hey, this is club...didn't know you moved here...anyways, count me in on the next one.

[DGNT]

Woo, 201 views.
This is a popular topic :P

[SionEwig]

Did I mention that I think its ironic that, after the mass declarations of Russia-wank in the previous RP, that a Russia-Wank scenario is the most popular option in this poll?
I guess not <_<

But that particular option (E), is not necessarily a Russio-wank. And it may be just as much the time period as anything else.

[DGNT]

POD is nessicarily the start date though, I imagine we would start such an RP in the 1870's, at least. That way the effects of the alt-hist would be more visible. A world just after a Russian victory in the Crimean War would (IMO) not be terribly interesting, since both Russia and the UK would be recovering from the war, but nobody would want to risk getting Russia angry, even in their weakened state.

And, on the same note, option B could easily take place in a 1850's like setting, although it might have to be set in the mid 1900's in order for technology to have advanced to that point. Although perhaps, with Chinese intervention, the Americans would have caught up to the historical European technology level.
I hear they were pretty clever people :P

[SionEwig]

POD is nessicarily the start date though, I imagine we would start such an RP in the 1870's, at least. That way the effects of the alt-hist would be more visible. A world just after a Russian victory in the Crimean War would (IMO) not be terribly interesting, since both Russia and the UK would be recovering from the war, but nobody would want to risk getting Russia angry, even in their weakened state.

And, on the same note, option B could easily take place in a 1850's like setting, although it might have to be set in the mid 1900's in order for technology to have advanced to that point. Although perhaps, with Chinese intervention, the Americans would have caught up to the historical European technology level.
I hear they were pretty clever people :P


Then you need to say that explicitly. I think that many of those who took the time to express an opinion assumed that you were indicating when the game would be starting. And if you decide to go a far time from the POD, then you do need to come up with a time line to support it, otherwise it will take forever to get the game going while folks discuss a timeline.

[DGNT]

Note the topic in the pre-1900 RP board.

[WhatIsAUserName]

I voted for the Crimean War one, but, note, I don't think that the POD is particularly plausible.

[DGNT]

Then why did you vote for it? >_>

[fortyseven]

I'd like the 1854 one, but another French Revolution so soon is very implausible. Either A or B then for me unless the 1854 scenario is changed.

[General_Paul]

I voted for the Crimean War one, but, note, I don't think that the POD is particularly plausible.

I'm actually also with you on this one. I didn't lodge a vote for the Crimean War TL because of the implausability. You've got a Revolution only six years after the 1848 Liberal Revolutions swept through most of Europe. Hell even Prussia was weakened by the 1848 Revolution, it's what propelled Otto von Bismarck into the political spotlight and gave the Prussians a real reason to push for either political or military unification of Germany, under them of course.

I could see a minor revolution break out in 1854 thanks to some sort of a food shortage, a bad spell with a corrupt monarch, or political corruption leading to a few larger scale riots in cities like Paris, Le Havre, Marseilles, and maybe Brest. But, it wouldn't be anything large enough to force the French out of the Crimean War/prevent a declaration of war on Russia by France.

Outside of that, a British loss in the Crimea would most likely mean a shift in the battle from the Crimea, over to somewhere like St. Petersburg, Finland, or anywhere on the Baltic coast where the Brits could use the massive Atlantic Fleet to just dominate the Russians before they could get anythign out to sea, all while maintaining a sizeable fleet on detached service to the Eastern Mediterranean to keep the Russian Black Sea fleet in check.

The worst part for the Russians anyways, would be the British public calling for a liberation of Constantinople. The Ottomans were their allies in the area, they were the ultimate check on Russian expansionism in the Middle East. Remember, this is the period of time where the "Great Game" was just heating up in Central Asia. The British needed the Ottomans in tact to keep a tight grip over connections to India and the British Empire in the Far East.

If Constantinople falls to the Russians after the British are pushed out of the Crimea, I can very easily see a change over of power in the British parliament to someone along the lines of the Benjamin Disraeli, or even Disraeli himself if he can step out into the limelight in this time. That would mean real interventionism in the Ottoman Empire, probably British Army regiments deployed to Anatolia, and a very real war in the Baltic.

Then again, that's just my opinion.

[DGNT]

There was a 'very real' war in the Baltic. The British did well in open sea, but they didnt do so hot against the Russian fortifications on the coast. I beleive in the course of the war they managed to destroy one fortress on an island. They never even bothered going near St. Petersburg, since it was the most heavily fortified city on the planet at that point.
The British have almost always shown reluctance to deploy troops abroad, they DID do it in the Crimean War, but their command structure was inept to the point where, even though their troops were far and away better equipped than the Russians, they still suffered horendous casualties. When compared as % of forces lost, I beleive they did not fare much better than the Russians.