View Full Version : North And South:The Split
January 3rd, 2004, 04:17 AM
POD: 1864, Another commander besdies Sherman is assigned to atlanta atlanta holds which causes tenesee,maryland and the garrison in olkahoma terretory to declare for the confederacy. A democrat president is elected and he asks the brits to help mediate. The brits give the USA bermuda(good strategic locations) for $2,000,000 as a bribe to recognize the CSA and leave it alone.
1865-the CSA gets the areas that declared for the confederacy in a formal treaty.
-The american capitol moved to manhatten
-After the saddning loss of the union ideas like anti-immigration and temperence that were part of the republican platform are discredited
1866-the USA begins a crash program to have a strong military including mandatory conscription,heavy funding of research and development
-rememberence day(may 15th) is established as a holiday
1867-13th,14th anf 15th amendments passed which outlawslavery,extend the right to vote to all free men and give all free men equal rights respectively are passed.
1868-the USA establishes some tariffs but amkes the tariffs looser for great britian.
-alaska brought by britian and attached to canada
1869-secession made illegal in the 16th amandment
-universal conscription estallished in the USA
1870-Bermuda given statehood
1871-Abraham lincoln splits from the republicans and forms the socialist party. The socialist party is socially liberal and economially liberal.
-temperence movements appear in the CSA as they die off up north
1872-Spain's pacific possesions conquered by america, the phillipines remain spanish.
1873-the USA establsihes a 2 ocean nazy to defend against any powers
1875-the CSA buys Cuba and Puerto rico from spain.
-The Moral Imperative which is strict enforcement of the new amendments begins and it ends by 1890 with americans
1876-Sherman running on te democratic ticket beats tilden.
-a revolt in cuba and puerto rico begins
1877-the USA begins to establish more thorough compulsory schooling wihch makes literacy start rising to near-Scandinavian levels
1879-America establishes direct election for senators
1880-Hawai and samoa annexed by the USA
-the SA begins establishing exile from the country as a punishmen
1881-a small sharp of anti-confederate feeling causes practically all of the baptists and other related groups to flee down south.
1882-CSA buys northern mexico and the Yucatan from Maxamillina's regime and the USA squacks but does nothing.
-the usa purchases panama from colombia
1883-in order to avoid having the USA,france and great britian declare war the CSA ends slavery in compenstated emancipation
-Terretories of Calakamul,campeche,yucatan,satander,arizona(coahil la),nuevo leon,taumpalipas,sonora,baja del norte,baja del sur and chuihaha establsihed.
-the indian wars are ended in america.
1884-the CSA is forced to recognize cuba and puerto rico.
-argentina's population reaches 18 million
1885-in order to protect itself from confederate incursions, santo domingo offers to join the union, president Sherman accepts it.
1886-the USA's population reaches 63 million and the CSA re aches 25 million
1889-Yucstan,consisting of the confederate yucatan terretories and northern guatamala sucessfuly revolts.
-the CSA attempts to reconquer yucatan ails
1890-the USA begins building the panama canal and doctors are in to treat the disease, and engineers in to destroy the swamps and other mosquito breeding grounds.
-japan conquers the phillipines
-the first submachine gun is invented by the americans
January 3rd, 2004, 04:30 AM
Why did Cuba, Puerto Rico, and Yuctan rebel? Did the other Northern Mexican states rebel? When is the next part being posted?
January 3rd, 2004, 04:39 AM
"Atlanta holds which causes Tennessee, Maryland and the garrison in Oklahoma Territory to declare for the Confederacy."
Nope. First of all, Tennessee has long since declared its allegiance to the CSA. Second, by 1864, Abraham Lincoln has pretty much locked up all the CSA-sympathizers in Maryland. Maryland ain't going to secede. Third, Indian Territory has no whites in it other than a minor garrison and that garrison, obviously, is composed of Northern soldiers. Northern soldiers aren't going to defect. Lastly, Grant is driving on Richmond as we speak. Richmond will fall, government will flee, war will end 2-3 months later with a US victory.
"The American capital moved to Manhattan."
First of all, citizens of the CSA are Americans, too. The US capital is moved, not the American capital. Second, the US has had their capital invaded from sea once and, probably in this TL, burned twice. They're going to move the capital someplace safe and secure. I'd suggest Philadelphia temporarily and Syracuse-Elmira-Ithaca-Birmingham, New York, in the long run.
"The USA begins a crash program to have a strong military including mandatory conscription and heavy funding of research and development."
Uh Uh. The US is going to become enormously weak for, at least, the next four years. A nation's military never comes out of a crushing defeat, especially in a Civil War, better off than they started.
"Bermuda given statehood."
Nope, too small. You're going to need 60,000 adult male residents for that going to happen.
"Sherman running on the democratic ticket beats Tilden."
Umm, why is Tilden running against his own party?
"CSA buys northern Mexico and the Yucatan from Maxamillian's regime and the USA squacks but does nothing."
No. 1) This deal would never happen according to the territories that you later have them owning. Much, MUCH, too big of a purchase. Maybe, if the CSA is lucky, Sonora and Chihuahua, but no more. 2) If, by a freak chance, this sale did go through, you'd have a war between the CSA and USA.
"First submachine gun is invented by the Americans."
Do you mean the US again? Or did the CSA invent it?
David S Poepoe
January 3rd, 2004, 06:49 AM
Aside from the idea of the British selling Bermuda to the Americans, which is silly, there is no place (I'm fairly sure) called Manhattan, New York. Actually there may be, but it appears likely that Straha is refering to Manhattan a borough of New York City. There may be Manhattan, an incorporated city in upstate New York (or even in Ohio, there is no indication of what state), but in association to New York City, theres no such place. I also doubt that the representatives of the Midwest would go along with that.
January 3rd, 2004, 02:29 PM
they get it in the peace treaty
January 3rd, 2004, 02:45 PM
1 in the TL america for a time gets really close to war with britain so britain bribes off america with bermuda...
2 incompetence among local officicals and sheer rascism on the confederate's part.
3 the deal is a desperate measure but maxamillian gets killed... in 1896. The mexicna terretories will be revolt prone so they might later decide to split them among the union/mexico and sell them.
4 the USA reevaluates its army and decides to fix it
5 the democrat party splits into the union party and the democrat party
6 they pick new york city becasue its a big city and the capitol is in the manhatten parto f new york city to help with sea trade.
7 political corruptioncan do wonders with a census that decides statehood. Democrat political corruption of course... ;)
David S Poepoe
January 3rd, 2004, 04:36 PM
Okay the capital is in New York City.
Strange peace treaty the third member, completely not involved in the war just brokering the peace, gives up a strategic position for no good reason.
January 3rd, 2004, 05:15 PM
its a backroom deal, the USA becomes VERY close to declaring war on britain and the brits talk them out of it by selling thme bermuda
January 3rd, 2004, 11:25 PM
1891-a S supreme court resoltuion states that american citizens who immigrated from the CSA have all the smae rights as americnas who were born in the USA.
-the american socialist party condemns communists as being undemocratic and a corruption of marx's views
1892-the confederate constitution is amended to allow for reelection of presidents
1894-the mormon church
1895-the american socialist party gains a majority in the house and senate.
1900-motorized bycicles called moterctycles are invented and the US military buts several
-teddy roosevelt wins election
190-1the Wright brothers fly the first airplane
1905-Japan takes the kurils and sakhalin away from russia.
1907-as china is sufferign economic trouble sinkiang,manchuria
1908-Teddy roosevelt announce
-germany invents its first submachine guns
1909-women gain the right to vote in america
1910-the mexican civil war spreads to coahilla,taumpalipas and nuevo leon
1912-new mexico,deseret and arizona get statehood
1914-in a spate of reform, president LaFollete establishes proportitional representation
1915-the first tank is invented by the union
-the first bipalne bombers are ivntented by gemrnayt
1916-zimmerman telegram leads to relationships between the US and entente gettign closer
-socialist candidate Robert LaFollete elected to a second term
-Hitler dies in trench near paris
-jazz music begins to beocme popular in the USA(the CSA represses it and jazzists are deported)
-the CSA's military leaves nuevo leon,taumpalipas and coahilla whiel keeping a itght hold on the other mexican states.
1917-the russian revolution
-the russian royal family flees to britain
-the USA sends troops as advisors including many tanks
-the CSA deports the meixcna populations in texas,sonora,chuihaha,baja del norte and baja del sur. Most mexicans that got deported in that way flee to the USA where they become democrat voters.
1918-the union enters the great war on the side of the entente
-the treaty of versailles which is far less harsh than OTL. Germany keeps its pre-1914 borders in east while it loses the colonies and alsace-lorraine with less limitations on the military.
-the census of 1918 shows that the CSA is majority black
-Joe Stalin flees the USSR
1919-As the red scare begins, social democracy becomes well respected and acceptable with the american socialist party getting more votes. In fact some of the most vocal anti-communists are the far left radicals in the socialist party.
1920-leon trotsky suceeds lenin as head of the USSR
1921-benito mussolini chokes on steak and the fascist movement
1922-italy stays democratic despite unrest and an atte
1928-Joseph Stalin is killed by an agent of trotsy with an ice pick in hermosillo.
1929-the great depression begins, the right wing politics of the 20's are largely discredited as social democracy becomes more popular
January 4th, 2004, 12:11 AM
So the C.S.A. wasn't invoved in WW 1
January 4th, 2004, 12:15 AM
they're too busy with problems in their mexican areas
January 4th, 2004, 12:18 AM
When does the Japenese/Confederate alliance come in?
January 4th, 2004, 12:34 AM
during the ocld war and its not really an alliance in military terms. The japanese will support sny country that believes in being anti-western by giving them money. WWII will be the USA,britain,japan,france,germany, Canada,the democratic side in mexico,cubam the communist regime in yucatan and the confederacy against Trotskyist russia,china and the communist faction in mexico. The USA's reaction to the Japan and the CSA post WWII will be like the reaction to stalin, allies during the war but disliked post war. Japan will occupy various parts of east asia. On another note I have martin luthor king's family move north before he's born so he'll be eligible to be elected presidnet so no bitching about me having President King.
January 4th, 2004, 12:38 AM
wouldn't the Communist Regime in Yuctan be an ally of Russia, Communist China and Communist Mexico? How does the Confederacy contribute to the war effort(supplies, troops, etc.....)
January 4th, 2004, 12:42 AM
crap I put it on the wrong side
January 4th, 2004, 12:50 AM
How does the Confederacy contribute to the war effort(supplies, troops, etc.....)?
January 4th, 2004, 12:57 AM
it helps in the mexican and central american fronts. Yucatan will have belize added in to it in 1945 after a vote is taken.
January 4th, 2004, 02:26 PM
North America IN 1930
January 4th, 2004, 03:05 PM
Europe in 1939 before WWII breaks out
January 4th, 2004, 05:57 PM
Why does the USA invent tanks??? tanks were invented to breakthrough the trench warfare of WWI. Yet the USA doesn't enter the war until 4 years after they invent the tank. and why would the germans send the zimmerman telegram if mexico doesn't have a border witht he USA and can't possibly attack them? Why in the world would the CSA want mexican territory when it is unfertile and has a extremely low white population? Why did Stalin flee Russia? Why would the party of the worst president (in your atl) become so popular wouldn't the connection to Lincoln be a terribly black mark on the party? Why would the USA take other pacific territories of spain and not the Phillipines?
January 4th, 2004, 06:12 PM
man, what is it with all the "CSA Survives" threads coming up lately? The CSA, even if it somehow manages to achieve independence (quite a feat in itself) has a huge hurdle to overcome before it can do much of anything: it's economic outlook is dismal. No industry, few railroads, an incredibly inefficient slave-based system that produces fewer goods (agricultural or otherwise) than the north, and no capital to invest in much of anything (the whole south has less money than NY state). Plus, King Cotton is about to get major competition from Egypt (Sheik Cotton?) and India (Rajah Cotton?). How does the south overcome all this? Are we assuming that for some reason Britain and France decide to give huge amounts of money to the south? If so, what will be the affects on European politics (with money going to the south, it isn't going somewhere else)? Assuming that the European money are investments instead of gifts, what will the long term outcome of a CSA where foreigners own most of the modern businesses and railroads?
January 4th, 2004, 06:13 PM
nowhere in the thread do I bstate the CSA beocmes an industrial superpower so you can't bitch about me making it into one ;) and besides even a small amount of industry would happen
January 4th, 2004, 06:16 PM
1 lincoln isn't the head o f the socialist party just a prominent speaker
2 the CSA ends up leaving the eastern mexicaa states and keeping the western ones as a corridor
3 the USA disn't care too mcuh about the phillipines
4 the telegram is to the CSA
5 the USA has plans for war withj ust about any power so trench warfare is in the equation
6 Trostsky takes power
January 4th, 2004, 06:17 PM
Yea! The C.S.A. leaders aren't that stupid. They will make new industries to replace slavery. Also if France or Great Britian help the C.S.A. in the ACW then it ain't going to let its investment go bankrupt they will help with some money issues
January 4th, 2004, 06:23 PM
1931-the nationalists are killed and the chinse civil war ends with a communist victory. The chinses begin rearming and making a big fleet.
-a spate of rascist radicalism and a drop in funding causes many scientists to leave for better off places like canada or the union.
1932-manchuria occupied by japan.
-Teddy Roosevelt the II elected president on the sociliat platform.
1933-ulster granted independence from great britain
-soclialized medicine introduced in america
-alaska admitted as a full province to canada
1934-italy goes communist
1935-Canada secedes from the british empire but stays in the westenr alliance as the republic of canada
-northwest terretoris admitted as yellowknife and keewating provinces
1936-spain and portugal go communist and join the comintern
-ungava province split off from queec province
1939-the allies declare war on the comintern after findland,french indochina and yugoslavia are invaded at the same time
-K-1 missiles are deployed
-the mexican war of revolution begins
-yucatan taken over by a communist military dictator, the governemnt flees to belize
1940-USA extends lend-lease to imperial japan
-K-2 missiles are deployed
-the Mexican communist republic invades sonora
1941-USA enters the war after boston is hit by a K-2 missile and the mexican armies attack new mexico.
1942-communist rebels lead by Juan Peron seize power in argenitca.
-k-3 missiles are deployed
1943-The CSA officailly enters the war on the allies side and extends its declarations of war to the full comintern.
-argentina is liberated and is rebuilt
-iceland occupied by the USA and annexed post war.
1944-a soviet K-3 filled with nerve gas is fired at berlin and kills 10,000
-yucatan and central america are liberated in operation SEA LION
-fulgencio Batista takes power in Cuba.
-the natons of Siberia,mongolia,Khanbalyk,yakustia,indonesia,sink iang,tibet,mekong(carved out of part of southern china) and china are put under japanese influnce at the conference in berlin.
-Nanking and macao hit with nuclear weapons
-Marshall plan established with the USA and the rest of the western allies rebuilid affected nations. Argentina,russia,eastern europe,gemrnay,scandanavia,mexico and the yucatan benefit from it to the point where by the end of the 1950's theyre first world nations.
-Belzie holds a vote on joining yucatan and a large majority supports joining yucatan.
-Britain sells off bahamas,jamaica and trinidad to america to help pay off part of its debts
-greenland occupied and incorporated to canada
-The USSR is defeated in World War II. Immediately, the UK,Germany,the CSA USA & Japan rush to grab the Soviet K-3 missiles & the Soviet missile scientists. The Allies commence their own research programs in order to develop V2 type missiles
-Japan,the CSA,south africa,the seoul pact
-Teddy roosevelt the II dies and his vice president Joe Kennedy suceeds
1946-US President Joe Kennedy says that "an iron curtain has descended over the pacific"
-india given independence as a united nation
-Seoul pact formed with japan and its occupied natiosn as membmers
-Pacific Alliance Treaty Organization(PATO) formed with the USA,chile,mexico,canada,astrailia and argenia.
January 4th, 2004, 06:25 PM
North America after WWII
January 4th, 2004, 06:29 PM
Did the C.S.A. get any of the Soviet Scientists and what nations are in the Seoul Pact?
January 4th, 2004, 06:32 PM
1 they got some of the minor lowerranking ones
2 Japan,China,yakustia,siberia,manchuko,sinkiang,mek ong,indonesia,tibet, mongolia and their puppet nation in the phillipines
January 4th, 2004, 06:36 PM
-Japan,the CSA,south africa,the seoul pact By Straha
What is the Japan, C.S.A., South Africa, how are they related?
January 4th, 2004, 08:44 PM
crud I forgot to mention their joint weapons research pact
January 4th, 2004, 08:59 PM
What terr. did the Confederacy get after the War?
January 4th, 2004, 09:01 PM
the CSA got screwed over in terms of teretroy but it got some marshall plan aid
January 4th, 2004, 10:20 PM
Whats going to happen in the next part? When are you going to post it?
January 4th, 2004, 10:31 PM
the next part will be the first part of the cold way and it deals with the expansion of humankind into space,codl war politics and the movements to give nonwhites equal rights and end prohibition in the confederacy. before I post it I'll be doing an entry that deals with the social changes of both union and confederacy with a mention of the cold war.
January 4th, 2004, 10:35 PM
When will that be posted because I would like to see it?
January 4th, 2004, 10:46 PM
social and technical changes of the world up to 1946
The Confederate States of america is a conservative nation where chnage is delibritaly slowed. The white man is obviously in charge in this nation. Blacks,american indians and mexicans have to have internal passports. THe CSA is a national security state with subjects ranging from abortion,social democracy and ending prohibition beign verboten to mention in te news on radio,TV or the papers. Industrialization is slow to come to the CSA but it comes anyway. The CSA technically has freedom of religion but for all intents and purposes the southern baptist church is the ONLY religion. Even thoguh the constitution states that no religion is to be established, southern baptist leaders are given influence in congress and a veto on lawss. Socialism or even social democracy are taboo in the CSA because of a unionist taint and the connection with the poor. Political dissidents are sent to prison with hard labor,torture and execution being common punishments for minor offenses. Women only got te vote in 1940 in the CSA, which is 30 years behind the union. The CSA calls the USA and canada "a bunch of godless commies" and the USA calls them "Idiot capitolist bible thumpers"(this shows the love ;)). Science fiction and fantasy are so unpopular with the governemtn that in the CSA, Heinlein and tolkein are a few of many banned authors. President Strom Thurmond is presiding over a nation that is despised y everyone else on the north american continent so things will be tense especially with a secessionist party thats formed in the far western(mexican) states of the CSA. In this timeline rock music will be a yankee thign as a large black population has moved north.
the USA is a nation that is the most liberla in the world. Social democratic policies like a 40 hours workweek,national healthcare and welfare are either implemented or are beign planned. The USA is far more socially liberla with no prohibition being done. Marijuana and other drugs are legal and are gaining acceptance in society. The Union is a nation that believes that technology is the future. Race relations between white and black are far better than OTL. One side effect of this is that the same acceptance of hispanic-white intermarriage that happened post 1950's of OTL will also happen with black and asian marriages. America in this universe follows the path of liberal socialism with the rest of its allies around the world doing so. Science fiction is far more popular in the 1946 of this than OTL's west with one exception, the CSA. The society's zeitgeist is at the point where by 1970 they predict a black or president at soem point. The young local New York representitive and born of a former slave Martin Lithor King jr whose family emigrated from the CSA before he was born is a rising star and he might run for president someday after he gets to be 35... Rock Music won't form south of the border but it will arrive as a union invention.
The cold war in this timeline will be less tense than the one between the USA/USSR because both are capitolist. Japanese culture like anime and manga will be part of the counterculture so it will filter into america a little bit earleir thna IOTL but slower. THings will be tense in the 50's and early 60's but from that point on the cold war is calmer with detente until Japan's empire collapses in a soft landing in 1991. On a side note there won't be the flourishing of japanse pop culture in the 90's-2000's because the stuff will have been available for a longer time. With a right-wing enemy america will go on a more leftist slant so imagine Fidel Castro ando ther lefttis radiclas in south america getting aid and troops. Central america and at least western south america have better economies than OTL because of the foreing aid,alliance of the USA and no drug war. Being that the USA and CSA are on opposite sides of the codl war thier two cultures will diverge farther and farther....
some notable dates for inventions up to 1946
1890-first submachine gun is invented
1901-first airplane flown
1915-first tank invented
1919-talking motion picture invented
1924-transistor invented and patented
1926-first jet airplane flown
1933-first cigarship invented
1938-ENIAC computer system put online
1942-K-3 missile invented(think primitive ICBM)
1943-first saucerfjet plane flown
January 4th, 2004, 10:54 PM
could u put by the invention which country in originated in?
January 4th, 2004, 10:59 PM
I think you guys are glossing over the economic problems of the south after the war. I'll agree that the CSA can industrialize and survive if Europe gives them a huge infusion of cash. However, wouldn't this have an affect on the world in general? If Europe is subsidizing the CSA, what OTL expenditures would it replace... would there be some colonial efforts not done, some wars not fought? If the new industries and railroads in the south were owned by foreigners, would the south advance slower than the north since the profits from all this new stuff is going overseas?
January 4th, 2004, 11:06 PM
I think the south would survive and industrializse but it wouldn't be a great power at all
January 4th, 2004, 11:07 PM
could u put by the invention which country in originated in?
January 4th, 2004, 11:22 PM
the K-3 was a soviet invention adn the saucerjet was german but the rest are from the USA
January 7th, 2004, 02:52 AM
1949-Japan gets the atomic bomb
-Japan refuses to leave yakustia and siberia which nearly starts a war
-the USA pays off its national debt completely
1950-Adlai stevenson elected president of USA
1953-the USA with german help launches the first sattelites "Spirit" and "opportunity" into orbit
1954-the USA decides to support the french in indochina against pro japanese
-Richard M. Nixon is the first man in space
1959-Charles Yeager walks on the moon and puts the american flag on it.
1960- The cuban revolutionaries lead by Fidel Castro and Che Guevera with American arms and funding take cuba. Cuba is establsihed as a social democrat nation.
-Martin Luther King elected president of the USA
1961-Orion and NERVA projects begun
1963-Algeria(coastal algeria) and morroco(northern morocco) given independence
1965-Economic European Community(EEC) formed with Germany,france,belgium,spain,the netherlands,luxemburg, portugal,britain,algeria,morocco,ulster and ireland and
1967-the first spaceplane commercial flights begin to appear.
1968-the socialist party ticket of Hubert Horatio Humphrey and Bruce Hogg elected on a ticket to end the endless quagmire war in vietnam,ensure america's primacy and restore america's economy
-protests in the CSA against ending aparteid supressed with poison gas and tanks
-an imperial japanese ORION drive ship orbits mars
January 10th, 2004, 01:26 AM
Are you going to posta another part?
January 10th, 2004, 01:39 AM
right now I'm working on a post detaling north america in 1968 so yes
January 12th, 2004, 11:56 PM
Straha, are you going to do the 1968 North America?
January 13th, 2004, 01:11 AM
The Union is a nation that can't be any more different than its southern neighbor and still share the same ancestry. Union politics has always been on the economically socialist and socially libertarian side of things. Things like uncensored TV,Marijuana,regulated prostitution and socialist policies are widely accepted. The USA is by a an far a true industrial giant with the highest tech. Social unrest in america against interfering in every single codl war trouble spot has manifested itself in the woodstock concerts, the protests and Martin Luthor King failing to win a third term. American economic inequalit is like sweden's due to socialist policies. Race relations are far better in this america. The sexual revolution is in full swing in the union and it doesn't appear to be fizzling out. An equal rights amendment for women has recently in 1968 been added to the USA constitution. American politics is so liberal that even the paleoconservaitve Union party is at its most right wing a liberal to moderate republican of OTL in its politics. America is firmly a social democracy.
The Confederacy is a nation thats trying to modernize without americanizing. The CSA is an authoritarian state where dissidents are shot,sent to hard labor camps or interned. Confederate prohibition lasted until 1960 for alcohol, even after it ended for alcohol the CSA has begun a fascistic style internal war against Marijuana and other drugs. Noted black civil rights activist, Malcom X has just been sent to jail for a 20 year term. The blacks in the CSA have to deal with aparteid and their situation regarding civil rights lags compared to OTL(the 50's of OTL"s gains in civil rights will happen in the 70's and the full giving of equal rights takes until the mdi 1980's). Christian conservatives are a powerful part of CSA politics in contrast to the highly irreligious USA. The sexual revolution has yet to spread south and it looks like if it does that it will be far weaker. The control of christian fundamentalists over CSA policies is shown in abortion being banned,divorces being hard to get and woman's rights lagging behind the rest of the developed world(CSA women got the vote in 1952). the CSA is a conservative right wing nation.
Presidents of the CSA to 1968
1861-1867 Jefferson Davis
1867-1874 Andrew Johnson
1874-1881 George Longstreet
1881-1888 Wade Hampton the II
1888-1896 Andrew Johnson II
1896-1905 Woodrow Wilson
1905-1912 Hiram Johnson
1912-1919 Willy Knight
1919-1926 Herbert Hoover
1926-1935 Jacob Featherson
1935-1942 Ferd Koenig
1942-1949 Huey Long
1949-1956 Strom Thurmond
1956-1963 George Wallace
1963-1970 Lyndon Baines Johnson
USA presidents to 1968
1864-1868 George McClellan
1868-1872 U.S. Grant
1872-1876 George Tilden
1876-1884 William Sherman
1884-1892 Chester A. Arther
1892-1900 George McKinley
1900-1908 Teddy Roosevelt
1912-1920 Robert LaFollete
1920-1928 George Marshal
1928-1932 Harry Truman
1932-1945 Teddy Roosevelt II
1945-1952 Joe Kennedy
1952-1960 Adlai Stevenson
1960-1968 Martin Luthor King Junior
1968-1972 Hubert Horatio Humphrey
January 16th, 2004, 02:20 AM
1971-vice president Bruce Hogg assasinated by christian vigilantes and Eugene McCarthy suceeds him.
1972-Hubert Horatio Humphrey reelected to a second term
-Hubert Horatio Humphrey gets america out of vietnam
1973-the economy nearly collapses due to an oil embargo in a time called The 70's Malaise.
-Hubert Horatio Humphrey killed by christian terrorists and his Vice pressident, Eugene McCarthy suceeds him.
-an easy to produce pill that stops *ALL* even viral oens is mode. This pill will prevent a certain africna STD from sucessfully becoming a major epidemic out of africa. North america and europe will be AIDS free...
1974-an orbital factory is set up
1975-the moonbase is expanded to include a mine
1976-Robert Kennedy elected president
1977-astronaut Richard MIlhouse nixon shot by a bezerk neo-luddite
1979-Iraqi revolution by fundamentalists
-Iraqi hostage crisis
1980-Edmund Muskie elected president on the socialist ticket
1981-SALT III repealed
1982-the missile defense program is begun
1983-WWIII almost starts over overflight rights
1984-asteroid belt mining begins
1985-the missile defense program is complete
1986-the CSA ends aparteid
1987-internet opened to the public
1988-Colin Powell elected president on the democrat ticket
-beginning of the 90's economic malaise
1989-Japan allows the seoul pact to leave on its own and begins democratizing
1990-In a historic move the USA and Canada merge as the UCAS(united Canadian & American States)
1991-SALT IV arms treaty singed byt USA and Japan
1992-George prescott Bush elected president
1993-the appearence of the internet causes some economic activity but the malaise causes the internet to commericalize slower.
1994-"The Soclialist Revolution" as the socialists get a majority in both houses.
-beginning of "Neo-Renaissance" movement by the generation Xers and later the genration y's to protest the bad economies and the
1995-oil embargo on USA removed but the rest of the oil world
1996-George prescott Bush reelected
1997-many gen Xers begin protesting the bad economic conditions.
1998-the democrat and union parties are even more harsley wrecked than in 1994.
1999-the CSA begins an invasion of mexico to get oil
2000-Wesly Clark elected president of the UCAS
2001-richmond and new orleans's monuments destroyed by terrorist actions
2002-Yucatan rejoins mexico as several states(calakamul,Yucatan,belize,quintana roo and campeche)
2003-the CSA escalates the war, in responce to the confederate invasion, mexican troops to a blitzkrieg and take houston.
-Texas secedes from the CSA and unites with the anglophone northern mexican states(the areas the CSA lost in 2003 and the ones lost before 1900)
-Texas takes claim of the nuclear arsenel in lubbok.
2004-free trade zone of north america with the UCAS,Texas,the CSA,Cuba and Mexico present is established
-the CSA leaves mexico humliliated with the loss of its mexican states and the far west.
-the confederate governemnt declares martial law and begins to rearm.
February 24th, 2004, 08:38 PM
presidents after 1972
1973-76 Eugene McCarthy
1976-80 Robert Kennedy
1980-88 Edmund Muskie
1988-1992 Colin Powell
1992-2000 George Bush
2000-2004 Wesly Clark
2004-2012- Hubert Humphrey II
Abdul Hadi Pasha
February 25th, 2004, 02:40 PM
Europe in 1939 before WWII breaks out
Note that the chances of their being an independent Macedonia at this point are so remote as to appraoch ASB. It should be a part of Bulgaria or Serbia, or possibly Ottoman depending on their strength (it had a large Muslim population).
February 25th, 2004, 05:53 PM
Are Cigars so popular in this world that special ships are built to transport them :confused:
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