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Straha
January 1st, 2004, 09:56 PM
1) Archduke Ferdinand not assassinated, preventing World War One
2) Germany Wins WW-I rapidly (in 1915 or 1916)
3) Japan has a 'perfect' raid on Pearl Harbor, wiping out the oil storage and repair facilities
4) Germany defeats Russia in 1942, cutting of the oil supply [Baku] from the bulk of Russia's Armies.
5) A-Bomb not used at all in WW-II, leading to a violent US/USSR Confrontation in the 1940s
6) Cuban Missile Crisis goes 'hot', leading to a Nuclear exchange.
7) Nixon's Watergate scandal a) never happens b) is never found out c) is found out sooner
8) PC revolution happens earlier (usually through Xerox Parc's successfully marketting their early invention of the GUI)
9) Europe intervenes earlier in Bosnia
10) Rabin is not assassinated 11) Al Gore wins in 2000 (not popular yet...too soon, but likely to be a popular POD as the 21st century wears on)
12) US space program funded at a higher level in the 1970s-80s (i.e., space station and lunar base in the 1970s, missions to Mars in 1980s)
13) George Bush the Elder beats Clinton in 1992 (already popular in some quarters at least!)
14) Earlier mining of Haiphong, unrestricted bombing, and sensible antiguerilla tactics lead to allied victory in Vietnam. South Vietnam becomes fifth Asian "tiger".
15) Israel gets earlier warning of planned Arab attack on Yom Kippar, 1973. Egyptian and Syrian armies decimated from the onset, followed by a clear Israeli win.
16) President Kennedy not assasinated. Second term wracked with scandals.
17) More vigorous British-French response to German aggression in 1936-39. Germany backs down. Hitler overthrown by military coup.
18) Hinkley assasinates Reagan. Cold War prolonged into at least the 1990s.
19) Sino-Soviet nuclear war in the late 1960s. Ends Cold War due to the destruction of the two largest communist societies.
20) American social security is designed as a mandetory private account system from the onset. Greater economic growth and greater wealth creation results in the long run.
21) Cold War ends with a conventional war in Europe in the mid 1980s. Nuclear war barely averted.
22. 1991 anti-Gorbachev coup succeeds, Yeltsin arrested/killed/disappeared, Cold War continues.
23. RFK not killed, becomes POTUS.
24. MLK lives, continues civil rights work.
24. FDR dies by assassin's bullet in 1933, John Nance Garner can't get anywhere with Depression, with negative effects for Allies on WWII because (most times this is done) isolationists take over in US.
25. Japan attacks USSR instead of US in WWII.
26. McKinley not assassinated.
27. Boston Red Sox do not sell Babe Ruth to the New York Yankees. (I included that because it's probably the only sports WI I know of that's been done to death.)
28. No prohibition or volstead acts
29. no internet in 1993
30. Trostky takes power in russia insteado f stalin
31.FDR creates a national healthcare system
32. Jimmy Carter elected in 1980
33. FDR dies of a massive heart attack a few weeks after the Pearl Harbor attack, Henry Wallace becomes President
34. Soviets reach the rhine
35. A movement to peachefully secede from the USA in the southern states on the level of the quebec independence movement appears after WWII
36. Cuba and the phillipines annexed as territories.
37. Wilson goes to war with mexico in 1916.
38. Normandy goes wrong and the reds ovverun gemrnay,the low counries,italy,turkey,the balkans and greece.
39. Japan wins at midway
40. the USSR collapses in 1979-1980 after
41. Gerlad ford elected in 1976. I see Carter in 80's and the liberla 1970's not really ending.
42. an actor makes an a bid for the presidency in 2000
44. Clinton impeached.
45. Japan attempts a war against russia but loses korea and manchuri but gains sakhalin and the kurils. The militarists are overthrown.
46. The generals overthorw hitler in early 1944
47. When gemrany reunites in 1989, Austria decides to join up
48. Kerensky's keeps control of the USSR and its transformed into a social democracy
49. Vichy france becomes a strong axis supporter
50. a civil war between fascists and democrats in france in the late 1930's
51. France keeps northern algeria
52. South africa keeps aparteid
53. No AIDs virus appears EVER
54. Germany holds on longer on obth fronts with atomic weaposn being used on it.
55. No intenrational conventions against chemical wepaosn ipost WWI
56. GErmany makes its own nuclear weapons
57. The ORION program is established
58. No UN treaty forbidding exploitation of space
59. Germany has a policy of slave labor but not genocide
60. Germany goes communist in the 1920's
61. a deng Xiaoping style figure apppears in the USSR and does economic reforms
62. India revolts and leaves the british empire in the 30's or 40's
63. India becomes a dominion in the 20's
64. No J. Edgar Hoover
65. Japan loses its influence over kore and manchuria by losing the russo japanese war
66. The nationalists in china do'nt mess things up and they win
67. Huey long elected president
68. No WWI
69. a rash of christian militia terrorims happends in the 90's
70. WWI begins in 1905
71. Tolkien finishes the simarillon and makes a sequel to the lord of the rings
72. The transistor is invented in the mid 30's
73. Atari,colcovision and the others do'nt collapse
74. soviets screw over poland and make east gemrnay much bigger
75. Hubert Humphrey elected president
76. the russian civil war becomes bloody,indecisive and never ending
77. Russia splinters apart even father than IOTL with Crimea,tatarstan,khanbaly,chechnya,buryatia,kuban and other countries being formed.
78. Post WWI armenia gets a small slice of turkey in order to get a black sea coast.
79. Marijuana and psychadelics legalized in america in 1968.
80. Yucatan and Chiapas leave mexico during the mexican civl war in 1910
81. Instead of voting for independence or to stay with britian, Bermuda,bahamas,jamaica and belize vote to join america inthe 60's and 70's
82. Quebec secedes form canada anytime after 1980
83. Puerto rico gets statehood
84. Hawai gets made into a commonwealth and the marians become a state with plans for guam statehood being looked into.
85. the Entente succeeds in the Dardanelles
86. The British Empire collapses in the 1930s.
87. the Germans turn East in 1914
88. Hitler purges Hitler's SS but keeps Roehm's SA on his team
89. a soviet civil war in the mid 20's over sucession after lenin dies
90. Turkey joins the allies in WWII
91. the Bolsheviks take over Poland in 1920
92. the leauge of nations survives
93. Melvin laird elected president in 1975
94. China gets carved up after the boxer rebellion
95. the empress supports the hundred days modernization
96. The japanese get *all* of sakhalin and the kurils after russo-japanese war
97. Alaska ends up like puerto rico with Puerto rico being #49 in 1962 and Hawai being #50 in 1969
97. Hawai votes for independence
98. An american socially liberal and sucessful social democrat party is formed before WWI
99. FDR establishes proportional represntation pre WWII
100. Bay of pigs suceeds
101. Japan doesn't surrender but if wiped from the face of the earth with nukes
102. instead of vietnam how about a war in cuba?
103. TR's bull moose party suceeds
104. Poland intervenes when Czechslovekia is attacked
105. The Hashemites suceed and make sure Hejaz Arabia survives
106. no persian gulf war
107. the korena war is won with manchuria liberated and taiwan recognized
108. Chinese communism falls in the late 80's-early 90's
109. Manga and Anime break onto american markets in the early 70's
110. instead of manga and anime, translated versions of latin american animation become poplar in the USA during the 1990's
111. before WWI gemrany arms mexico and helps it build industry to prepare for a war against the USA
112. Czar Nicky reforms and survives
113. spaceplanes are adopted by space programs
114. a russian revolution in 1914
115. Germany does'nt accept the armistice and fights on to the very end.
116. Britain takes the maritime option when fighting WWI.
117. Rasputin gets a different series of hallucinations and convinces the Tsar that WWI is a *Bad* idea
118. Germany wins WWI
119. virtual reality is more widespread
120. Soccer becomes them ost popular american sport pre WWI
121. in a move of cold war era anglo-american solidarity, an american team is formed and plays in the world cricket leauge
122. The New York Times encourages Goddard in the 20's
123. 'Gunpowder plot succeeds, and leads to an evil US.
124. no 9/11
125. no olkahoma city bombing
126. prohibition enforced more harshley
127. a final redoubt strategy is adopted by the nazis
128. Operation Overlord happens in 1943
129. Stalin attacks the west in 1945 in an unprovoked move
130. The allies attack Norway instead of North Africa in 1943
131. America's politics move to a more fascist bent in the 1930's
132. no elvis
133. no political correctness
134. Strom Thurmond elected president
135. The southern democrats split off and make their own party
136. Adlai Stevenson elected president in the 60's
137. no margeret thatcher
138. no enron scandal
139. Stalin attacks the Japanese in 1941
140. Alf Landon elected in 1936 to president
141. The Rise of a "Black Messiah" in the 1960s/70s
142. The soviets win the Moon Race
143. Al Smith is elected President in 1928.
144. the central powers lead sucessful boer and indian revolts during WWI
145. Stalin extends a finland style compromise to the East
146. Beria gets power in the USSR
147. German remilitarisation of Rhineland opposed in 1936
148. Al Gore selects Paul Wellstone or Russel Feingold as his running mate
149. Hitler gets into an art academy
150. Robert La Follete jr does'nt lose the 1946 senate race
151. equal rights amendment passes
152. a more violent come out of the civil rights movement
153. a sino-soviet war at anytime betweek 1945 and 1980
154. Chinese-Indian War - 1959/1962
155. a second great depression in eaither 1974 or 1987
156. Dole defeats Clinton in '96
157. the indian film capitol of bollywood becomes popular
158. long movies become popular in the 30's
159. Hitler lets somebody else handle the creation of the Me-262, and the worlds first jet fighter goes into production in 1942.
160. What if Ronald Reagan had stayed in Hollywood as an actor?
161. FDR lives till 1950
162. cocaine legalized in the 80's
163. WI US "Oil War" in 1970s
164. Neville Chamberlain survives WW2
165. UNITA Victory in Angola
166. 1909 Taft dies of a heart attack in his first year in office.
167. 1915 Nobody has done a story where the Lusitania isn't sunk? Or, Italy remains neutral, or sides with Austria.
168. a Communist revolution in Italy during WW I.
169. 1922 Harding dies in office.
170. Kemal Ataturk dies and doesn't overthrow the last sultan. Subsequent sultans have limited power.
171. 1927 Trotsky is not exiled; Chiang Kai-shek is assassinated; or Mao is assassinated and Chiang takes over.
172. 1947 Marshall Plan not adopted; UN approves a different plan for dividing up Palestine. India-Pakistan war.
173. 1954 Puerto Rican nationalists do not shoot and wound US congressmen; would it have made any difference?
174. Joe McCarthy dies in traffic accident, or, he is assinated by...whom?
175. 1955 Bulganin does not become Soviet Premier.
176. Eisenhower had a coronary; what if he had died?
177. 1956 Suez crisis peacefully averted
178. 1957 US agents warn US of Sputnik launch months in advance.
179. Eisenhower doctrine expanded; Israel and all Mideast countries will get equal amounts of aid from US.
180. 1958 de Gaulle dies; does not become President of France
181. 1959 Batista gets aid from US, stays in power; or Castro asks for aid from US; or Castro dies.
182. 1975 Ford assassinated; or, one of the two women who attacked him use martial arts instead of a gun. Pol Pot dies instead of taking over Cambodia.
183. 1976 A different Democrat runs against Ford for President.
184. 1983 Reagan has a massive stroke.
185. 1985 Reagan has a massive stroke. Gorbachev or Thatcher die; India-Pakistan war; civil war in India.
186. 1986 Challenger launch delayed; it doesn't blow up.
187. 1990 Bush authorizes assassination of Saddam Hussein.
188. World Wide Web was available to public OTL, but what if some farsighted government official tries to introduce regulations concerning Internet software, to try and prevent spam and viruses from becoming such problems.
189. 1992 Bush chooses a different VP, Nancy Kassebaum, and is re-elected. Gulf War II removes Saddam Hussein and a Democrat wins the next two elections. Gulf War II drags on and on.
190. 1993 Havel does not become Czech president; president of Sri Lanka not assassinated.
191. 1996 Dole wins.
192. 1997 Monica Lewinsky gets a job in California, never meets Clinton. Taliban doesn't seize Kabul; Diana doesn't die;
193. 1998 Clinton not impeached.
194. 1999 Clinton convicted.
195. 2001 The FBI puts 2+2 together and prevents 9/11.
196. 2002 India civil war. India-Pakistan war.
197. 2003 Saddam Hussein assassinated; Iraqi Information Minister announces Hussein is now the Emperor of the World.
Iraqi Information Minister asks for asylum in Canada, joins cast of "This Hour Has 22 Minutes", a popular comedy satire program.

fortyseven
January 1st, 2004, 11:43 PM
"197. 2003 Saddam Hussein assassinated; Iraqi Information Minister announces Hussein is now the Emperor of the World.
Iraqi Information Minister asks for asylum in Canada, joins cast of "This Hour Has 22 Minutes", a popular comedy satire program."

:D Good one Straha, i prefer Air Farce tho.

Chris
January 2nd, 2004, 01:11 AM
Can I copy that list?

Chris

Straha
January 2nd, 2004, 02:09 AM
heh thats my sense of humor :p :D ;) :cool:

Amerigo Vespucci
January 2nd, 2004, 02:22 AM
Mighty big grab.

Otis Tarda
January 2nd, 2004, 09:13 AM
1943: FDR dies before Yaltan Conferention
about 1953: Stalin lives elong enough to start invasion at Western Europe
1953: Beria becomes and manage to remain leader of SU
1956: USA decide to do something about Soviet intervention in Hungary

????: Kennedy dont start race to the Moon
1980: No Solidarity
1981: No Martial Law in Poland: soviets decide to enter with "International help"
1981a: No Martial Law in Poland: Solidarity force free election 8 years earlier

1989: Instead of talks between government and oposition at "Round Table", Reds introduce Second Martial Law

Grey Wolf
January 2nd, 2004, 10:45 AM
"1953: Beria becomes and manage to remain leader of SU"

I would like to see a realistic one of these... For Beria to achieve it he needs allies - OTL it was surprisingly easy for Kruschev etc to gang up on him and remove him from the picture (false allegations of spying and hurried execution). Beria's strength had a lot of its foundation in his relationship with Stalin, so Stalin's removal automatically weakened Beria's position considerably. Without changing the manner of Stalin's death, how does one establish Beria in a position where he can achieve a transition of power ? Or if it has to be done by changing Stalin's death, how much different does it need to be ?

Grey Wolf

Straha
January 2nd, 2004, 06:29 PM
a second martial law would casue a nuclear civil war between the USSR's liberlasn and consrvatives.

Otis Tarda
January 2nd, 2004, 06:31 PM
Oh God... I mean 1989 in Poland :)

Straha
January 2nd, 2004, 06:44 PM
revolts in poland that spread to the rest of the communist world. by 1995 ALL off communism world wide has fallen.

PM Nixon
January 3rd, 2004, 02:40 AM
Let's see if I can create some PODs of my own...

1980: Bush named Republican nominee, beats Jimmy Carter.

1972-73: Watergate not discovered.

1992: Bush wins second term against Bill Clinton, thanks to non-involvement of Ross Perot.

1976: Ford re-elected President over Carter.

1864: After a series of Union defeats over the past year, Abraham Lincoln is voted out of office and replaced with George McClellan. President McClellan immediately sues for peace, ending the War Between the States.

1901: President McKinley not assassinated...possibly Teddy Roosevelt doesn't become president at all?

1896: William Jennings Bryan wins election as President.

1941: Japanese destroy American carriers at Pearl Harbor, not moved at all like in OTL.

Straha
January 3rd, 2004, 02:51 AM
no watergate means we have ford in 76' then the carter 80's with an america that stays liberal

Otis Tarda
January 3rd, 2004, 10:19 AM
"1953: Beria becomes and manage to remain leader of SU"

I would like to see a realistic one of these... For Beria to achieve it he needs allies - OTL it was surprisingly easy for Kruschev etc to gang up on him and remove him from the picture (false allegations of spying and hurried execution). Beria's strength had a lot of its foundation in his relationship with Stalin, so Stalin's removal automatically weakened Beria's position considerably. Without changing the manner of Stalin's death, how does one establish Beria in a position where he can achieve a transition of power ? Or if it has to be done by changing Stalin's death, how much different does it need to be ?

Grey Wolf

After Stalin's death Beria was vice Prime Minister (pah!) and chief of Security, which in SU was quite important position - whe Kruschev was just Gneral Secretary of Party. You don't need to change anything, just Beria's movement.
It seems to me, that he acted too fast, and alarmed communist establishment. In a half month (beetwen 9 and 24) he freed "doctor-poisoners", stopped most senseless buildings, forbade Kruschev idea of "agrocities" and declared amnesty for Gulag prisoners... pretty suprising as for guy who was called by Stalin "My personal Himmler", don't you think?
Moreover in july 1953 he declared leaving policy of building socialism by force, and offered beginniing of building united Germany, not alligned with SU
...IMHO, it would mean end of Soviet Empire.
So, Kruschev decided to act. He convince Malenkov, Bulganin and Zhukov. Beria was arrested 26 july at meeting of party conferention, and convinced to death (there's another version that Beria was shot at place).

IMHO, Beria could do one of three things:
1) Act slower and don't upset Kruschev
2) Made a cleansing, by arresting Kruschev and revealing him as agent of seventeen inteligencies
3) Or just be more careful... when Beria was arrested, his personal security was in nearby room. unfortunately, Kruschev just suprised him.

tom
January 3rd, 2004, 06:17 PM
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I read a couple days ago in my newspaper that Nixon was seriously considering military strikes to grab the Oil Fields during the Arab Embargo.

Straha
January 3rd, 2004, 06:30 PM
9/11 in the 70's could result

Musketeer513
November 18th, 2004, 02:57 PM
Yup, this will take some time to read and properly reply to.

sunsurf
November 19th, 2004, 06:57 PM
The ones from #166 on were ones I'd posted on the Old Discussion Board.
Straha coulda mentioned that, but oh, well. I won't worry about it.
Having any President, VP or the leaders of any other country die earlier, could make interesting PODs.
Cybill Shepherd did run for President in 2000, but nobody took her seriously, I
guess.
Shirley Temple Black supported Bush in 1980. If Reagan dies in 1980, Bush becomes President, she becomes VP and runs in 1988, defeats Dukakis, doesn't invade Iraq, but the Republican establishment doesn't really like having a woman president.
Maybe she runs against Clinton in 1992, he makes a pass at her and there's a backlash...

Max Sinister
July 20th, 2006, 01:57 PM
Oldest discussion thread bumped - just in case we run out of ideas. :)

Glen
July 20th, 2006, 06:41 PM
Oldest discussion thread bumped - just in case we run out of ideas. :)

When I was bumping things, I didn't do the grab bags because I thought it a little too scattered and undeveloped.

Codeman
July 20th, 2006, 06:48 PM
Soviets win the moon race but america win the mars race leading to advanced science exc and a permanent moon base. We dont have enough of those tls.

Wendell
July 21st, 2006, 06:10 AM
no watergate means we have ford in 76' then the carter 80's with an america that stays liberal
I've heard of that idea before. I think it would hold true, but only to an extent.