Ian's Alternate Draka Timeline

[Michael E Johnson]

Ian your alternate Draka timeline-which is found here http://gateway.alternatehistory.com/worlds-set.html

is well done .Have you ever considered extending things past 1951? Do you have any thoughts on what this world would look like up to 2004? Do you mind if the rest of us speculate?

[Straha]

that TL is good

[Michael E Johnson]

From: "djolds1" <djolds21@s...>
Date: Sun Jan 18, 2004 8:15 pm
Subject: Re: Draka Defeat







--- In stirling@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Edward Johnson"
<klein_37@h...> wrote:

> Im sure some people here are aware that the moderator of Alternate
> history.com-Ian Montgomerie has penned an alternate Draka timeline
> where the Domination is defeated in WW2-its found here
> http://gateway.alternatehistory.com/worlds-set.html.

Ian Montgomerie has been well known for _energetic_ criticisms
of the Draka TL. His technological criticisms are usually cogent;
his social criticisms have historically neglected the butterfly
effect in the insistance that his own utopian social views will
win thru in all alternates.

> Any ideas about what happens in this world up to 2004?

After the Capetown Trials?

Two centuries of enforced civilization probably have the same
effect on black africa that N. American slavery had on blacks
here- post Draka Africa isn't nearly as bad as the Mad Max land
we've had OTL. I'd bet on something closer to S. America.

> Also if things had gone differently and the West decided to
> confront the Draka before WW2 what would the potential conflict
> have looked like ( vs the US in the 1880's or US and Europe
> in the 1920's)? Any and all ideas appreciated.

http://gateway.alternatehistory.com/timelines/Alternatedraka.html

In Montgomerie's Draka 2 TL The Draka don't take Egypt early
on and Libya in the 1850s- those conquests are "saved" as provo
versus the UK in the WWI analogue, with the Central Asian
conquests "saved" for the WWII analogue and final Draka defeat.

To answer your question- why? There's blessed little provo to
start a Euro-Draka War in 1880 or 1910. Both regions are highly
racist and the Draka have been "quieter" in the Draka 2 TL than
in the canon DTL.

Duane J. Oldsen

[Michael E Johnson]

From: "djolds1" <djolds21@s...>
Date: Sun Jan 18, 2004 8:15 pm
Subject: Re: Draka Defeat







--- In stirling@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Edward Johnson"
<klein_37@h...> wrote:

> Im sure some people here are aware that the moderator of Alternate
> history.com-Ian Montgomerie has penned an alternate Draka timeline
> where the Domination is defeated in WW2-its found here
> http://gateway.alternatehistory.com/worlds-set.html.

Ian Montgomerie has been well known for _energetic_ criticisms
of the Draka TL. His technological criticisms are usually cogent;
his social criticisms have historically neglected the butterfly
effect in the insistance that his own utopian social views will
win thru in all alternates.

> Any ideas about what happens in this world up to 2004?

After the Capetown Trials?

Two centuries of enforced civilization probably have the same
effect on black africa that N. American slavery had on blacks
here- post Draka Africa isn't nearly as bad as the Mad Max land
we've had OTL. I'd bet on something closer to S. America.

> Also if things had gone differently and the West decided to
> confront the Draka before WW2 what would the potential conflict
> have looked like ( vs the US in the 1880's or US and Europe
> in the 1920's)? Any and all ideas appreciated.

http://gateway.alternatehistory.com/timelines/Alternatedraka.html

In Montgomerie's Draka 2 TL The Draka don't take Egypt early
on and Libya in the 1850s- those conquests are "saved" as provo
versus the UK in the WWI analogue, with the Central Asian
conquests "saved" for the WWII analogue and final Draka defeat.

To answer your question- why? There's blessed little provo to
start a Euro-Draka War in 1880 or 1910. Both regions are highly
racist and the Draka have been "quieter" in the Draka 2 TL than
in the canon DTL. (He misunderstood this as I was referring to the canon Draka Atl not Ians ATL)

Duane J. Oldsen

[Mr_ Bondoc]

In my opinion one of the things that seems to be lacking is any lucid detail in regards to the actual inhabitants of the African continent. For once, I would like to see the Draka ATL deal with characters like Marcus Garvey, Nelson Mandela, Anwar Sadat, Moammar Khadafy, Idi Amin, Robert Mugabe or even Shaka Zulu (even Ming-3 had Shaka Zulu make a cameo appearance). The fact that the Africans role in the Draka ATL, seems to be solely to be conquered. Even in the history of North America and subsequent ATLs, you will occasionally find the names of Geronimo, Pochahantas, Sacajawea, Sitting Bull, Tecumseh, Chief Joseph, and Crazy Horse. To elucidate this point try to imagine someone writing an ATL of Western Europe, with a POD of 1781, without any obvious ASB, minus Napoleon Bonaparte, Thomas Paine, King George III, Marie Antoinette, King Louis XVI but mysteriously have analogies to every other political leader outside of Europe.