XXth C: Map and Flag Thread

[Glen]

A thread for the maps of the XXth Century Project.

Mappers, we need you!

We should start with a world map from 1901 (preferably with islands shown), and make a new map for every significant border change as it occurs, making a visual history of the XXth Century.

Also if people wish to submit flags and other symbols for new nations or nations with a change in government, you may do so here.

[Thande]

Here we go for a 1901 map (OTL, of course, because it's the same)

Not my favourite basemap but Glen did request one with islands.

[Tom Veil]

I really do plan to get more involved in this project soon, but I at least can offer a flag for my dear Ethiopia.
In 1897 (OTL), they adopted this flag to celebrate their victory over Italy:
http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/images/e/et-li&cr.gif
(EDIT: Sorry, for some reason I can't get this to display. The link works, though.)

In 1933 (XXth C), they chose to go with a more assertive version of the Lion of Judah to emphasize the might of their armies. Because of Ethiopia's resounding success in the war, the flag was permanently adopted.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/81/Ethiopia_flag_1897.png

[Douglas]

The world in 1910:

Changes include the absorption of Acre by Brazil (1901), annexation of parts of Costa Rica by Nicaragua (1903), Norwegian independence (1905), re-establishment of the autonomy of the Grand Duchies of Finland and Poland (1905), removal of the Russian presence in Manchuria, Vladivostok, and Sakhalin by Japan (1906), and independence for the Philippines (1909).

[perdedor99]

Just bumping it up.

[Tom Veil]

These are the map-changing events before war breaks out in Europe in April 1913.


June 1911 Honduras falls to the Nicaraguans
1912 - New Brunswick, Nova Scotia, and Prince Edward Island break off from Canada and unite with New Foundland and Labrador to form the Maritimes Union, a new Dominion within the British Empire
Oct 17 1912- Italian marines capture Tobruk in Libya.
Oct 18 1912- Italian Marines capture Tripoli.
January 5, 1913 - The Treaty of Venice is signed. Most of the Aegean Islands and coastal Macedonia west of Salonika go to Greece; territories east of the Chalcidice go to Bulgaria. Thessalonika and the nearby peninsula become an autonomous state led by the Jewish population under Ottoman protection. The remaining territory becomes the Neutral State of Albania-Kosovo, divided into Austrian and Italian zones, north and south.
January 31, 1913 - Albania-Kosovo is divided by Austria and Italy. Austria gives Kosovo to Serbia, while retaining the coastal areas.
March 7th 1913- Irish Home Rule Bill finally implemented. Ireland is divided into two territories, Southern Ireland and Northern Ireland with separate Parliaments. Each territory was intended to be self-governing except for subjects reserved to the Crown.

[Tom Veil]

These are the map-changing events before war breaks out in Europe in April 1913.


Somebody? Anybody? I'm not very good at redrawing borders, that's why I haven't done it myself.

[Othniel]

http://www.fotw.net/images/m/mx-rso.gif

Flag of Sonora

[Imajin]

Would they use Walker's flag?

[Othniel]

Would they use Walker's flag?
Well the other ones were a flag of the USA with 10 Stars, and a French Tri-colour look alike with Indepéndance de Sonora written on it. Out of my historical options I felt this was the best.

[Imajin]

Well the other ones were a flag of the USA with 10 Stars, and a French Tri-colour look alike with Indepéndance de Sonora written on it. Out of my historical options I felt this was the best.
I just don't know if the Mexican Sonorans (who will still be an important part of the state) will like using the flag of a filibuster who wanted to extend slavery...

[Imajin]

What about this?

[Glen]

What about this?

Its cool. Where'd the seal come from?

[Imajin]

Its cool. Where'd the seal come from?
OTL seal of Sonora, with "State of Sonora" added at the top, and the top of the seal changed to add the US coat of arms (which looked better before it was shrunk) and Walker's Sonora. Though, to complete the triad, I should add a symbol of Mexico in the green corner... It would go with the other state coats of arms that show the symbols of all the countries that ruled that state.

[Imajin]

In fact, here's a version with the Mexican flag... thus, the seal represents the three independant countries to rule Sonora, and two major natural industries.

[Imajin]

And my idea for a State of Baja California. Note that there's no Spanish on this seal... I think Baja California will be the most quickly Americanized new state.

[Thande]

Based on Tom Veil's comments...my borders in the Balkans probably need revision...

[Othniel]

OTL seal of Sonora, with "State of Sonora" added at the top, and the top of the seal changed to add the US coat of arms (which looked better before it was shrunk) and Walker's Sonora. Though, to complete the triad, I should add a symbol of Mexico in the green corner... It would go with the other state coats of arms that show the symbols of all the countries that ruled that state.
The thing is I believe those Coats of Arms are fairly new. Do you have one from 1915 or somewhere around that era?

[Imajin]

The thing is I believe those Coats of Arms are fairly new. Do you have one from 1915 or somewhere around that era?

True... I can't find anything on Sonora (FOTW says the data is unknown), but Baja's definately is new... So I made some radical differences on the arms on the flag... For Chihuahua I'm making a new arms.

[Imajin]

Don't really like how this came out...

[Imajin]

Some random ideas for what the 2000 Boston Rapid Transit system could look like. This incorporates the events I've added as per Lynn and the Elevated Line (the extension of the Red Line to Greenbush would occur later, too late to add to the TL yet I think) The Green Line hasn't been touched (well, I kept the extension to Arborway which in OTL was removed), I still need to work on that.

[Tom Veil]

Great idea! I should make one for Pittsburgh.

[Imajin]

This is the "revised" version, including the Fairmount Line, and going with what I've actually written.

[Glen]

My God....has there ever been a timeline with alternate RTS maps?:confused: :cool:

[Thande]

My God....has there ever been a timeline with alternate RTS maps?:confused: :cool:
XXth Century has reached Decades of Darkness levels of detail :cool:

[Tom Veil]

The last map was April 1913 -- right before WWI / War of S. Mexican Independence. The Western part of the war ends very quickly, but the Eastern and Mexican parts have after-effects for quite a while. There is only a big lull after July 11, 1916, with no more events of map-changing significance for almost 4 years.

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December 28th 1913- Treaty of Madrid agreed by all parts after some horse-trading. Japan acquires the Shantung Peninsula and the former German Micronesia. Australia annexes both German and Dutch New Guinea plus the Solomon Islands and Nauru. Portugal was ceded the western half of Timor Island. United States purchase of the former Dutch West Indies is recognized by all signatories. Belgium is returned to their former position as a neutral nation with no changes on the borders. Great Britain incorporates into their Empire the former German colonies of Togoland and German West Africa and the former Dutch colonies of Sumatra and Borneo. Italy cedes Eritrea to Ethiopia, and Italian Somaliland to Great Britain. Djibuti is returned to France. Despite early attempts by the British to incorporate Guiana into British Guyana, the US support for the independent state leads to its recognition as an independent nation.</i>

1915- Representatives of the United States wielded veto power over all government decisions in Haiti…. A treaty was arranged that pretty much made the country a US colony, with the US being in complete control of the finances of Haiti in a similar arrangement that the one with the Dominican Republic but also put the US in control of the government and public health affairs….

January 17th 1915- Zapata declares the Republic of Southern Mexico. Recognized by the US, Guatemala and Salvador the same day.

June 26th 1915- Koba declares “a new nation exists on the face of the Earth and the name is Georgia.” Immediately recognized by the Ottomans, the Austrians, the Germans and the Italians.

August 7th 1915- Treaty of Stockholm. Russia renounces any claims to Poland, the Baltic States, Greater Litva, Bessarabia and Georgia. Ottoman Empire purchases the districts of Erdehan, Kars and Batum for $25 million rubles. …. Austria-Hungary receives the former Russian province of Bessarabia as compensation for renouncing to their rights to Polish ethnic parts of Galicia. Germany will maintain a military occupation of the Baltic States and Greater Litva until a stable government is established. Georgia is recognized as a Republic. Montenegro is incorporated into the Austro-Hungarian Reich. Serbia receives the former coastal lands of northern Albania from Austria-Hungary

Sept 1st 1915 José Santos Zelaya Issues a presidental decree uniting the former nations of Honduras, El Salvador and Nicaragua in a revived United Republic of Central America.

November 14th 1915- Kingdom of Poland created under Archduke Karl of Hapsburg. The new nation encompasses portions of the former Russian Poland, former Austrian Galicia and the former Ukrainian district of Kholm.

March 9th 1916- Baja California and Sonora declared &quot;secured&quot;. In reality some very small resistance still exist but nothing compared to what is going on farther east.

March 18th 1916- Prince William of Urach offered the crown of Lithuania, a nation that will be under a personal union to the German Reich.

March 21st 1916- Grand Duchy of the Baltic's created under Adolf Friedrich of Mecklenberg. This nation also was under a personal union to the German Reich.

April 9th 1916- Borders between Mexico and Southern Mexico negotiated by the US and recognized by the new Mexican government. Pascual Orozco offered a post under the new administration and accepts to be in charge of the newly created Federal Army.

April 15th 1916- President Ballinger approves a pull out of central Mexico slated to start by May 1st.

April 24th 1916- The Kingdom of Belarus created under Prince Karl Maria Luitpold of Bavaria. At a difference from the other two nations created from the Baltic States, this nation was not under a personal union with the German Reich.

May 3rd 1916- President Ballinger announces the US will annex the former Mexican states of Coahuila, Chihuahua, Sonora and Baja California plus they will maintain the administration of the other border Mexican states to ensure the safety of the border states.

July 7th 1916- Mexican President Pascual Ortiz signs the agreement ending the US occupation of Mexico and acknowledges the new borders of his nation

July 11th 1916- Russian government agrees to sell their remaining Armenian holdings to the Georgians.

[Glen]

XXth Century has reached Decades of Darkness levels of detail :cool:

Yes, but soon we will have to start writing stories set in the timeline to reach Superpower Empire China levels!

[Tom Veil]

January 18th 1920- President Dartiguanave of Haiti forced to escape to Cuba after a military coup of the US created Gendarmerie forced him out of office.

June 7th 1920- British Government announces India will receive representation in the Imperial Council and a special election will be done to elect the Indian representatives.

October 5th 1921- The Northern Territories-New Guinea-Solomon Islands Representation Act of 1921 gave representation to the citizens of the Northern Territories and the new territories representation in the Australian Parliament.

January 14th, 1924- Queen Wilhelmina I and Kaiser Wilhelm III abdicate in favor of their son, Wilhelm Frederick, who becomes Kaiser Wilhelm IV. The Netherlands passes the Act of Union on the same day, bringing Netherlands formally into the German Empire. The Netherlands retains a great deal of autonomy within the Empire, however.

December 10th 1926- Treaty of Bern signed by the opposing sides of the Russo-Ottoman War. No side was satisfied by their gains or losses except by maybe the Georgians and the Greeks, who weren't even a belligerent in the conflict. Bulgaria received small border adjustments in Thrace and Eastern Macedonia. Georgia gains the Armenian parts of the Ottoman Empire and the areas were joined to the nation as a Federation. Persia was divided into two kingdoms, one ruled by Reza Pahlavi based in Bandar Abbas under British protection and one based Tehran under Russian protection and ruled by the Russian puppet Ahmad Shah Qajar. A Kurdish kingdom with capital in Mosul was created under Russian protection. The Salonika Autonomous Region, still technically under Ottoman control, but in reality being administrated by a joint Anglo-Jewish-Greek Council.

April 9th 1929- Italian Navy lands forces in the Balearic Islands of Menorca and Mallorca, capturing them after a short fight.

November 9th 1929- Italians capture the island of Ibiza, completing their capture of the Balearic Islands.

December 3rd 1929- Polls close in the Occupied Mexican Territories. After close to a week of counting the votes and a recount in Chihuahua, the results are announced. Baja California, Sonora and Chihuahua asked to join the United States while Coahualia,Nuevo Leon and Taumalipas decided to form their own nation.

May 18, 1931 - American settlers actively resist attempts by the Republic of Rio Grande to institute a their institutions over their small areas of the state.

[Glen]

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[Tom Veil]

For anyone who really enjoys mapmaking, posts #26 and then #28 offer instructions on how to take the map on the previous page (#13) and turn it into the TL's next map!

[Glen]

Some XXth Century Maps in various states (not official in any way, folks).

[Glen]

I'd like to get the international borders finalized such that we can post a map of XXth Century Earth, circa 2000.

[euio]

Jan 1914 -- Treaty of Madrid Enters Force
What is that base map?

[Tom Veil]

What is that base map?
Post #2 of this thread (modified by posts #4 and #17)

[Glen]

From July 1916 through 1923, the world enjoys a much-needed rest ... and so do I. :cool:

I believe you need to show Veracruz under US occupation.

[Glen]

From July 1916 through 1923, the world enjoys a much-needed rest ... and so do I. :cool:

Great Work, Tom.

I believe that by this time you should be showing the Congo as Dutch and CAR as German.

[Glen]

Also think that Tunisia should be shown as entirely Italian IIRC.

[Tom Veil]

December 28th 1913- Treaty of Madrid agreed ...Belgium is returned to their former position as a neutral nation with no changes on the borders. Great Britain incorporates into their Empire the former German colonies of Togoland and German West Africa...

Based on the above, I assumed that Germany out of Central Africa. I cannot find any references in the timeline to "German Central Africa" or the Central African Republic.

Yes, Congo should be Dutch; that happened December 4, 1913.
And yes, Tunisia should be Italian; that happened October 4th 1913. I'll change those two.

I think we can all see the problem of having a war that required at least 4 treaties to end. ;)

EDIT: Revisions posted for Congo/Tunisia in 1914 and 1916 maps. Glen, I suppose you should use your mod powers to delete the unrevised 1914 and 1916 maps to avoid clutter.

[Tom Veil]

REVISED Jan 1914 -- Treaty of Madrid Enters Force

[Tom Veil]

REVISED From July 1916 through 1923

[Glen]

REVISED From July 1916 through 1923

We need to show the Commonwealth of Rio Grande as well on the maps.

Probably should do something different with Hawaii to indicate when it changes to more of a Commonweath as well.

[Tom Veil]

It's hard to do anything to Hawaii; it's so small on this map. W/regards to Veracuz, Rio Grande, etc ... the Mexican Wars make my head hurt. :) I'll try to post something tomorrow.

[Thande]

Ah good, this project has been revived :)

Lord Sander has far improved on my earlier OTL maps so I suggest this 1901 one (with islands) as a starting basemap.

http://www.lordsander.net/1901.gif

[Tom Veil]

It would also be useful if someone could summarize, here or on the wiki, the timeline of British colonies being elevated from colonial status to near-equal or equals with Britain. We should probably color them differently based on their status (perhaps colonies are in a lighter shade).

[Glen]

Ah good, this project has been revived :)

Lord Sander has far improved on my earlier OTL maps so I suggest this 1901 one (with islands) as a starting basemap.



Feel free to do so, Thande. Give in, become one with the XXth Century Project....:D

[Tom Veil]

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[reformer]

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[Glen]

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