The ASB Map Thread

[Glen]

The goal is for this thread to play the same role for ASB scenarios that the venerable Map Thread does for regular AH.

[Diamond]

Excellent idea, Glen.

And I get to post the first map. :D An alternate North America from a TL where the Northwest Passage exists...

[Darkest]

:) Here are a few ASB maps, though they are no where near as cool as Diamond's.

[Darkest]

Here's another one.

[Thande]

Who the what in the what? Spanish Alaska??

Great idea Glen.

Here's one of mine. A world with a lower sea level. Geographical AHs are normally considered ASB, aren't they?

[Straha]

Spanish ALASKA?!

[Diamond]

Spanish ALASKA?!
Got a problem with that? :D

Oh, and it looks like I forgot to label the Yucatan Republic...

[Saladin]

Try this -- the nations would require *legions* of ASB's :)

[Thande]

Try this -- the nations wod require *legions* of ASB's :)
New Yorkshire Theocracy?? I'm there! *swoosh sound* :cool:

[Saladin]

I included that for my partner -- she's from Donnie

[Thande]

Using that rather excellent contour map of Britain that Diamond provided a while ago, I've made a map of a drowned Britain, Land Under Wave.

Here is the bloody impressive looking but in practice useless for modifying version...

[Thande]

...and here is the version you could actually modify to use in a risen sea level TL.

[Thande]

And, because I'm bored, the next logical step. This probably IS ASB in every sense of the word, because I'm not sure the sea levels COULD rise this high even if the polar ice caps completely melted. But anyway.

England and Ireland are mostly screwed, Lancashire, Wales and Scotland escape. There's no justice. :rolleyes:

[Veneer]

Any guesses as to the ASB elements?

[Veneer]

Slight updates.

[Nekromans]

East Indies civilizations ---> West Indies islands? Weird...

[Leej]

And, because I'm bored, the next logical step. This probably IS ASB in every sense of the word, because I'm not sure the sea levels COULD rise this high even if the polar ice caps completely melted. But anyway.

England and Ireland are mostly screwed, Lancashire, Wales and Scotland escape. There's no justice. :rolleyes:
Nah, more of proper England is fine. Its the horrible French influenced bit thats been drowned :D

[Thande]

Nah, more of proper England is fine. Its the horrible French influenced bit thats been drowned :D
True, but quite a lot of 'proper England' (whether you mean the North or just Northumbria) is underwater as well.

It's always puzzled me that the people who have the most to lose from rising sea levels seem to be the ones who care least about climate change, and vice versa :confused: I mean, Wales seems to be one of the Greenest areas of the UK, and yet rising sea levels not only leave most of it untouched, but actually separate it from England as they've always wanted :rolleyes:

[Leej]

Your map could be a bit off in the north. I'm certain I'm 'under water' yet I live a few hundred feet above sea level.

[Thande]

Your map could be a bit off in the north. I'm certain I'm 'under water' yet I live a few hundred feet above sea level.
I just based it off this topographical map Diamond provided:

http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showpost.php?p=564436&postcount=5

so it's obviously not precise, being rounded to the nearest hundred metres or whatever.

[Blitzit]

Here's a billion-ASB map I created a while ago. Yeah, I was ironic with balkanization.

01. Protectorate of Nova Yucatán
02. Kingdom of Spain
03. Caliphate of Gibraltar (Yes, it's lost Gibraltar)
04. Switzerland Empire
05. Kingdom of France
06. Republic of Kinomitaotereo
07. Kingdom of Luxemburg
08. Republic of Nova Java
09. Satanic States of New Liechtenstein
10. Terreich-Magya Republic
11. Kingdom of Transsylvania
12. Republic of Croatia
13. People's Republic of Dalmatia
14. Northern Balcanic Nations (Each is independent)
15. Southern Balcanic Nations (Each is independent)
16. Republic of Servia
17. People's Republic of Athens
18. Kingdom of Ruthenia
19. United Baltic States
20. Unorganized States of Estonia
21. Finnish Nations (Each is independent)
22. Republic of Little Romania
23. Republic of Crimea
24. People's Republic of Crimea
25. Kingdom of New China
26. Empire of Andorra
27. Republic of Reykjavik
28. Khanate of Mongolistan
29. Kingdom of Hou Aotearoa
30. Republic of Sweden
31. Japanese Empire

[Blitzit]

I'd like to correct that 21 represents the Finnish Warring States.

[Blitzit]

No comments? Oh, well. 09 is my favorite. :)

Here's another map I made. The difference's pretty obvious. Remove the borders and you can extend the POD to billions of years ago, but what'd interest me most would be the colonization of a world shaped like this,

[Blitzit]

Ignore this, I double-posted.

[Blitzit]

Holy sheep, I triple-posted.

[NomadicSky]

Blitzit, where did you get that map? I've been looking for just that one (unedited)

[Blitzit]

I think I got both in the first pages of the Blank Map Thread.

[Blitzit]

Another map. I didn't have time to recolor the nations' borders, though.

[Thande]

An ASB map. The ASBs made a Mosaic Earth of stereotypical versions of 'popular' countries that often show up on this site ;)

[Soyuz]

Ah, here it is:

[EvolvedSaurian]

No comments? Oh, well. 09 is my favorite. :)

Here's another map I made. The difference's pretty obvious. Remove the borders and you can extend the POD to billions of years ago, but what'd interest me most would be the colonization of a world shaped like this,

If no one else is gonna say it.... that is one cool map.

Probably the most obvious difference is that the Americas would be colonized by Sub-Saharan Africans, who would probably stay in contact with the Old World.

The New could stay on par with the Old(or at least part of it). More global interaction...... I could see a world like this being quite a few decades ahead of us in tech.

[Imajin]

Inspired by Thande.

[Thande]

Inspired by Thande.
I like "...and most Turkeys" and the "Space-Filling Empire" in Africa :D Although that's exactly the kind of thing Flocc complains about in India, as well.

What's going on in Europe there? Balkanised?

[luakel]

Inspired by Thande.
Shouldn't Austria go to Germany?

[Imajin]

Shouldn't Austria go to Germany?
It is German, you just can't tell because Salzburg and North Tyrol are independant.

[WhatIsAUserName]

I already posted this in the map thread. Here goes:

http://alternatehistory.com/discussion/attachment.php?attachmentid=14781&stc=1&d=1151176922

[Straha]

*bump*

I'm sure diamond has more maps..

[Backfire]

what do you think of this?

[Flocculencio]

An ASB map. The ASBs made a Mosaic Earth of stereotypical versions of 'popular' countries that often show up on this site ;)

Great one Thande- I love what you've done with the "Some Empire of India or something under some dynasty of some sort"

Here's the first definitive map of the world where I am Viceroy of Anglistan.

[Akiyama]

@Thande

But what happened to the Republic of Texas and the Empire of California?

[Flocculencio]

I already posted this in the map thread. Here goes:

http://alternatehistory.com/discussion/attachment.php?attachmentid=14781&stc=1&d=1151176922


Didn't you get the newsflash? San Fransisco voted to change it's name to the People's Republic of Berkeley.

[Thande]

If anyone can come up with the PODs for this one, they're a genius :rolleyes:

[Agentdark]

Somebody reforms the ussr in the stans and annexs arabia

[Thande]

Somebody reforms the ussr in the stans and annexs arabia
Not quite...remember this is ASB...and so it's an ASB POD...

(although that would be quite interesting in itself)

[Imajin]

The Nazis attempt to reconquer the world from their antarctic bases, and lose?

[Thande]

The Nazis attempt to reconquer the world from their antarctic bases, and lose?
The Nazis? :confused:

The map actually depicts a crossover between two different, but related, videogame universes, with a portal being opened in Antarctica or perhaps Antarctica being ISOTed. The map shows the world about a year after the portal/ISOT.

[Thande]

Here's a map I just re-unearthed. The ASBs have decided to switch some islands around.

[EvolvedSaurian]

Here's a map I just re-unearthed. The ASBs have decided to switch some islands around.

You really want to be Americans don'tcha?

Or the ASB's do at least.:D

[Thande]

You really want to be Americans don'tcha?

Or the ASB's do at least.:D
I thought we could take over the role of being the dangerous commie pinko liberals in the Caribbean, while Cuba would probably fit right into the EU :D

[EvolvedSaurian]

I thought we could take over the role of being the dangerous commie pinko liberals in the Caribbean, while Cuba would probably fit right into the EU :D

We'd rather have you and the Irish than Castro and Haiti.

At least you speak English, kinda.:p

[WhatIsAUserName]

15336

Three cheers for another ASB map.

[Scarecrow]

15336

Three cheers for another ASB map.
oooh, I like the putting of land in inland seas:D

[Hapsburg]

The goal is for this thread to play the same role for ASB scenarios that the venerable Map Thread does for regular AH.
If had known about this earlier, I would've post all of my maps in The Map Thread here.:D

Okay, well, time to repost:
From my Sorrow of the Samurai epic...
EUROPE, 1614. In a world where elves, vampire, dwarves, and dragons exist in the real world, a continent stands on the brink of war.
http://img157.imageshack.us/img157/9365/europe16147ed.png
On the eve of the Demon Army invasion, Europe is a land of tensions. The once-powerful Holy Roman Empire is waning, and France is becoming more powerful. The Scottish and English crowns are unified, but there is still religious troubles in Britain. The powerful Habsburg family rule the Austrian and Spanish crowns, continent-spanning empires, with thousands of troops at thier command. The Elven Republic's rivalry with the Elven Kingdom is as strong as ever, and thier warriors stand ready on the border, while Denmark-Norway and the Swedish Monarchy look on warily.., Across the HRE, religious rivalry threatens to tear the Reich in two. Emperor Matthias attempts to keep the two sides together, even as they prepare for battle. In the east, the ambition Michael I of Russia is having trouble defeating the upstart Cossack Republic, and the Ottomans strive to maintain peace with the smaller but far richer Vampiric Republic, whose wealthy merchant nobles are kept safe from Church persecution by thier near-control of European banking. Meanwhile, the power of the Republic of Venice and Genoa are waning, and the economic strengths of the Dutch, still warring with Spain, are increasingly more important. The Schweizerbund, or swiss confederacy, maintains thier factual independance in the face of Imperial bureacracy. Contained within the Schweizerbund are the militant Dwarven Canton, inhabited by the men of the dwarven ethnicity, men who push for total independance and a stronger armed force.
Across Asia, however, the Demon Army of the Emperor Yoshiro, God of Darkness and his apprentice, Lord Dark Alden, God of the Shadow, marches and cause death and destruction. Entire nations have fallen to them: Japan. China. Siam. Persia. The mongol hordes have collapsed under the demon advance. However, a lone, yet very powerful, Samurai, Kyotoro Minamyoto, sails through the Indian ocean on his journey to Europe, struggling to beat the Demon Army to the continent...

[Thande]

Condottiero requested a map of a drowned Middle East. This is the best I can come up with so far, given the limited base maps available. I may later transfer these borders to an editable blank map.

As you can see, the Land Between the Rivers has now become the Land Under the Wave...

[Hapsburg]

Does a Cosmological Map count as an ASB Map?:D
http://img283.imageshack.us/img283/7014/sotscosmology5mn.png
(And, yes, that is a mountain on top of a universe-scale tree)
The universe of my Sorrow of the Samurai epic story is complex and huge. I shall explain it as best I can, in the context of the story:
To the heavens, is the Ethereal Planes, atop which is the Tree of Life, which serves as Godheim, the home of the gods. The tree has many levels inside it, and many branches, within each are the kingdoms and halls of the many tiers of gods. The gods are powerful beings, who govern various aspects of the universe. Ruling over the many gods are the nigh-omniscient God of Time and the nigh-omnipotent Goddess of Nature. Underneath the Constant Binary, is the High Elder Gods, the great primordial deities ruling over basic facets of nature and the universe: the God of Light, the God of Knowledge, the God of Life, the God of Death, the God of the Underworld, the Goddess of Joy, and, their chieftain, the God of Order. Subject to them are the Elder Gods, who maintain major sub-parts of the basics of the universe, including the natural elements and wisdom; under them are the High Gods, ruling over natural sytems of the universe, such as weather, the oceans, rivers, the stars, the rocks, etc. The majority of gods are the Major Gods, ruling the individual subsections of the natural systems, i.e thunder, lightning, rain, the winds serving under the God of Weather, and the gods of the harvest, fauna, flora, and earthquakes serving the God of the Rock, in addition to god ruling the major parts of animal emotions and animal nature, such as Love, Spite, Anger, Revenge, Peace, War, etc. Under the major gods are the minor gods, ruling over the facets of complex human and animal emotions, as well as minor deities of justice and balance, ruling over the balance of certain portions of the univserse. All of the gods and deities work together to maintain the universe, and keep everything in check and balanced.
Below the realm of the gods is Elysium, the realm of non-evil dead souls; at the highest point of Elysium, is Aflheim, the land of light, where dwell the greatest of heroes and demigods, and the soul of dead elves and satyrs. Below this is Valhalla, the home of the good and heroic dead, and of those who died in battle. Below this is the Asphodel Fields, a misty land much like its description in greek myths, a land where the majority of people go when they die, where they live as shades. At the bottom of the Ethereal plane is the Court of the Dead, where Thanatos, the Grim God of Death, presides over as Supreme Judiciary. In this court, your good deeds are weighed against your bad deeds. Faith and social standing matters not in this court, but matters of honor, fidelity, valor, and truth, do.
Beneath it all is Hel, the fiery and dark underworld where those who are judged to be evil and wicked are tossed. The must cross a grassy field filled with terrifying beasts and arrive at the river styx, where they must sail down to the end, until they reach the great falls, and they must leap down or they will be dragged by Charybdis itself, after which they are escorted by two giant canines, the giant wolf, Fenrir, and the three-headed dog, Cerberus, who devour those who try to escape, and destroy their souls entirely. Those who make it to the pits of hell, are tortured and transformed into Oni, demons who serve the God of Hell, Pluto, unquestionably, working in the ore mines and serving in the demon army.
In the middle, amidst these two great realms, is the material plane, the physical universe, known as Mannheim. This realm is the realm of the living, a place where living creatures war amongst eatch other, fighting and bickering, and are caught in the crossfire of the legal wrangling and rivalry of the gods. The universe is a cosmological wonder in and of itself, what with its celestial bodies and constantly evolving life-forms.

[Agentdark]

That is awsome.....I love your Demon Army Invasion TL.....

[Hapsburg]

Thanks. My friends and I have put a LOT of effort into the whole background story, and the whole pantheon of gods and the cosmological scheme of things. As for the demons that invade the world, we have that, in addition to "basic" types of demons like the Oni/orks, the demon army utilizes all kinds of specialised things. One thing we though of are these reptilian bipeds, about 7 or 8 feet tall, with really long arms and legs, and spikes on pivoting follicles in the arms. These things are really quick, strong, and silent. One other demon I created is this huge, furry, ape-like thing, but some 13 feet tall, and with a rhinoceros horn on its face. Plus, Dark Alden, a fallen god who is imprisoned on Earth, is realeased by Yoshiro, and Dark Alden has arcane dark powers, and commands these ninja-like warriors who can come out of the shadows, making them excellent hit-and-run assassins; they are called Shadow Knights. In addition, almost all dragons are brought into service in Yoshiro's Demon Army.
The thing is, ITTL, Yoshiro wasn't the original ruler of hell. For billions of years, it was Hades, but in 1585, Yoshiro the ressurected half-demon descends to hell, and kills Hades, and absorbs his soul and his powers, making him incredibly strong and powerful, which is only enhanced when he finds and dons the Black Diamond Armor.
The only thing that is possibly a threat to Yoshiro's plans is the samurai who slew Yoshiro the first (and second, for that matter) time: Kyotoro Minamyoto (hence the title Sorrow of the Samurai). Kyotoro is accompanyed by other warriors: two Chinese ex-soldiers, a Japanese Sohei (buddhist warrior monk), a German knight, the King of the Vampiric Commonwealth, and a Polish knight. All of which have powerful mystic ki capabilities, especially Kyotoro. They are basically the heroes of the story, and etc.

[Timmy811]

Across Asia, however, the Demon Army of the Emperor Yoshiro, God of Darkness and his apprentice, Lord Dark Alden, God of the Shadow, marches and cause death and destruction. Entire nations have fallen to them: Japan. China. Siam. Persia. The mongol hordes have collapsed under the demon advance. However, a lone, yet very powerful, Samurai, Kyotoro Minamyoto, sails through the Indian ocean on his journey to Europe, struggling to beat the Demon Army to the continent...


Can I have a link to this story?

Comment just from what I've seen though - Japanese armies at the turn of the 17th century were just as advanced technologicly and tactics wise, if not more so then their European counterparts; and the forces that Tokugawa Ieyasu could have levied far outnumbered the force of any European state. If Japan was overrun by these demons I don't see how Europe would fare any better.

[Hapsburg]

Unfortunately, I don't have it written down yet. Me & my friends are doing the background and planning out the setting and some of the scenes. Then we'll get down to writing it out.

As to why Japan is conquered easily ITTL: For one, Yoshiro is able to use the many demons are already exist in Japan (Inuyasha-style demon shit); secondly, he does it before Ieyasu comes to power; third, the Japan of TTL is still disunited, because Oda Nobunaga was killed in 1564 during a massive clash at Kyoto, and so was the original demon army, under Oda control; fourthly, Japan is caught completely by surprise by this. They thought the demon army was gone for good after 1564, but 23 years later, they come up again and perform deadly and quick strikes all around Japan, and utterly devastate it. They kill the entire Imperial family, for crying out loud; they just completely shock them. Even then, it takes him four to six years to totally conquer it.
In comparison to Japan, Europe is larger, and has more people than Japan. The European nations are able to support large populations, and thus can field larger armies against the demons, and it takes longer to move through it. Plus, most of central and western Europe has warning to it, unlike Japan, due to: 1. communication with Russia and Poland, who are struck first, and 2. aid from Kyotoro Minamyoto, when he arrives in 1616- the year of the Demon Invasion in Poland. Kyotoro is able to give them first-hand knowledge of, not only the demons, but also of Yoshiro.
You see, Kyotoro, a general for the Takeda Clan, was the rival of Yoshiro, a general for the Uesugi Clan, during the Demon War of Japan in the 1560s; it he who beheaded Yoshiro in 1564 at Sado Island; it was Kyotoro who slew a ressurected Yoshiro in 1584; it was Kyotoro who fought Yoshiro and led a rebellion against him from 1590 to 1613. This single warrior is the only hope europe, nay, the world, has.

[Timmy811]

Unfortunately, I don't have it written down yet. Me & my friends are doing the background and planning out the setting and some of the scenes. Then we'll get down to writing it out.

As to why Japan is conquered easily ITTL: For one, Yoshiro is able to use the many demons are already exist in Japan (Inuyasha-style demon shit); secondly, he does it before Ieyasu comes to power; third, the Japan of TTL is still disunited, because Oda Nobunaga was killed in 1564 during a massive clash at Kyoto, and so was the original demon army, under Oda control; fourthly, Japan is caught completely by surprise by this. They thought the demon army was gone for good after 1564, but 23 years later, they come up again and perform deadly and quick strikes all around Japan, and utterly devastate it. They kill the entire Imperial family, for crying out loud; they just completely shock them. Even then, it takes him four to six years to totally conquer it.
In comparison to Japan, Europe is larger, and has more people than Japan. The European nations are able to support large populations, and thus can field larger armies against the demons, and it takes longer to move through it. Plus, most of central and western Europe has warning to it, unlike Japan, due to: 1. communication with Russia and Poland, who are struck first, and 2. aid from Kyotoro Minamyoto, when he arrives in 1616- the year of the Demon Invasion in Poland. Kyotoro is able to give them first-hand knowledge of, not only the demons, but also of Yoshiro.
You see, Kyotoro, a general for the Takeda Clan, was the rival of Yoshiro, a general for the Uesugi Clan, during the Demon War of Japan in the 1560s; it he who beheaded Yoshiro in 1564 at Sado Island; it was Kyotoro who slew a ressurected Yoshiro in 1584; it was Kyotoro who fought Yoshiro and led a rebellion against him from 1590 to 1613. This single warrior is the only hope europe, nay, the world, has.

Japan had a population of 30 million, that's 50% more then France which was the most populous European nation. Moreover I see the fact that the war hasn't finished as a plus rather then a minus. It means the armies of the daimyo are still mobolized and they were massive indeed. If I remember correctly their vassals numbered 2 million and there were 500,000 ronin selling their services to the highest bidder. No European state could come close.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samurai
By the end of feudal period, several hundred thousand firearms existed in Japan and massive armies numbering over 100,000 clashed in battles. The largest and most powerful army in Europe, the Spanish, had only several thousand firearms and could only assemble 30,000 troops. Ninja also played critical roles in intelligence activity. In 1592, and again in 1598, Japan invaded Korea with an army of 160,000 samurai in the Seven-Year War, taking great advantage of its mastery of guns.

[Hapsburg]

It's ASB, though, so...whatever.:p
I can have whatever I want happen in it, it's my story.
Now...where was I? Oh, yeah...
EUROPE, 1640
http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/9890/europe16405or.png
European forces have fought for thirty years against he demon horde. With the aid of Kyotoro Minamyoto, they won some battles, but the prowess of Lord Dark Alden, and the Lord Develin, in addition to the variety of demons fighting in the army, have pressed the western forces to the breaking point, more than once. The demon armies of Hell, commanded by Dark Alden, march forth through eastern Europe and the Balkans. The Empire of Lord Yoshiro, God of Darkness, stretches across Asia, into North America, and threatens to stab forth into the heart of Europe: Vienna. The Holy Roman Emperor, Ferdinand III, and his top general, the aging Albert von Wallenstein, rally their forces, swelling beyond 150,000 men, in addition to attracting many mercenaries, elves, and mystic warriors. The approaching enemy force, however, number at least four times as many. The armies are arrayed, the guns are loaded, and the commanders stand ready. All the Western Forces can do...is wait.

[Timmy811]

So do the demons eat all the people in the conquered land or enslave them?

[Hapsburg]

They enslave them, of course. The fact that the are enslaved, not devoured, plays a big part later, later on.
The soldiers that die in battle are eaten, however, and their souls are enslaved and in turned into more demons, which is why Yoshiro's army only grows stronger.

[Timmy811]

They enslave them, of course. The fact that the are enslaved, not devoured, plays a big part later, later on.
The soldiers that die in battle are eaten, however, and their souls are enslaved and in turned into more demons, which is why Yoshiro's army only grows stronger.
I don't see how they can be beaten then bar deus ex machina

[Hapsburg]

I don't see how they can be beaten then bar deus ex machina
You'll find out soon enough.:D

EUROPE, 1650
http://img272.imageshack.us/img272/6281/europe16506dx.png
It has now been ten years since the fateful Battle of Vienna. The Austrian branch of the illustrious Habsburg dynasty was eliminated when Vienna was destroyed, nay, annihilated, by Dark Alden's powerful dark energy attacks. The western forces lost many a good soldier that night, including several elven and mystic warriors. The forces of the West were pushed back, and Scandanavia was further conquested. After another terrifying decade, the forces of the western Survival Pact were pushed eventually beyond the Rhine, after the momentous Battle of Koblenz, in 1648. At Koblenz, both sides lost over a hundred thousand, but the Demon Army lost one of thier great commanders: Lord Pyrus Incindius Develin, the son of the God of Fire. The Survivalists were defeated nonetheless, and they retreated to the areas near Paris, where they further await thier fate.
Meanwhile, the heroic samurai Kyotoro Minamyoto, empowered with the abilities of the god of light, rumored to be decended from the gods themselves, travels by ship to Okinawa, to aquire a powerful energy crystal before continuing to his enslaved homeland, Japan, to fight the God of Darkness and Lord of Demons himself, Emperor Yoshiro. However, Lord Dark Alden awaits the samurai hero on the island of Okinawa, and only one will walk away alive.

[Midgard]

You'll find out soon enough.:D

EUROPE, 1650
http://img272.imageshack.us/img272/6281/europe16506dx.png
It has now been ten years since the fateful Battle of Vienna. The Austrian branch of the illustrious Habsburg dynasty was eliminated when Vienna was destroyed, nay, annihilated, by Dark Alden's powerful dark energy attacks. The western forces lost many a good soldier that night, including several elven and mystic warriors. The forces of the West were pushed back, and Scandanavia was further conquested. After another terrifying decade, the forces of the western Survival Pact were pushed eventually beyond the Rhine, after the momentous Battle of Koblenz, in 1648. At Koblenz, both sides lost over a hundred thousand, but the Demon Army lost one of thier great commanders: Lord Pyrus Incindius Develin, the son of the God of Fire. The Survivalists were defeated nonetheless, and they retreated to the areas near Paris, where they further await thier fate.
Meanwhile, the heroic samurai Kyotoro Minamyoto, empowered with the abilities of the god of light, rumored to be decended from the gods themselves, travels by ship to Okinawa, to aquire a powerful energy crystal before continuing to his enslaved homeland, Japan, to fight the God of Darkness and Lord of Demons himself, Emperor Yoshiro. However, Lord Dark Alden awaits the samurai hero on the island of Okinawa, and only one will walk away alive.


All I can say is that I am really, really impressed - this sounds like a series of books in the making. Wonder how come the Ottomans survived for as long as they have... could it have something to do with the apocalyptic battle that seems to be in the wings?

[Hapsburg]

All I can say is that I am really, really impressed - this sounds like a series of books in the making.
Well, in a way, that's kinda what they are. Me & a friend made some short home movies based on the subject in 2001 & 2002, and a few years later, me & some other friends dusted off the old thing and added loads of detail. I'm going to start on a book of it soon enough.
Wonder how come the Ottomans survived for as long as they have... could it have something to do with the apocalyptic battle that seems to be in the wings?
That, and the turks are just bloody crazy fighters. Add to this the fact that the Turks have good communication with the other musilm states in the near and far east, meaning they kinda know what's coming, even before the europeans do.

[Hapsburg]

Well, it's been 12 hours. Time for the exciting conclusion to the Invasion story arc...
EUROPE 1660
http://img457.imageshack.us/img457/3183/europe16603tr.png
At the moment the demon armies were about to plunge themselves into the heart of Paris itself, the Dark God-Emperor, Yoshiro, was slain by Kyotoro Minamyoto. Yoshiro's apprentice, Dark Alden, had also been killed by the noble samurai warrior. The demon armies vaporized. At Europe's most dire moment, their foes faded into the shadows, and were expunged from the physical plane. The wild beasts who had joined in the fighting were returned to their own mind's sovereignty, and went back to their lives, in the mountains, and on the plains, and in the seas. The chaotic war of surival was finally over...
The European nations rebuilt thier countries, founding the principle of reconstruction on legitimacy. They placed the borders to how they were before the war, mostly, but adjusted for dynastic changes and ethnic unities. The Spanish Habsburgs inherited the Austrian lands. All but Bohemia. That nation's King was elected, and another dynasty was selected to lead them: the Palatine Wittelsbachs. The wittelsbachs laid claim on Hungary, and a war between them and the Habsburgs began. At the same time, Brandenburg launched an invasion of Silesia, with the Bohemo-Palatinian troops busy in Hungary and Slovakia. Meanwhile, the Crimea made itself independant. As did the Principality of Wallachia. Neither wanted to remain a part of an Ottoman Empire embroiled in civil war. Wallachia chose for thier leader a wealthy vampire noble, Victor Basarab, a descendant of Vlad III himself. Victor, who happened to be the King of the Vampiric Republic, joined the two nations in a personal union. To the north, Sweden, the reunited Elven Commonwealth, and Poland-Lithuania invaded the remnants of Muscovy, whilst the rest of Russia broke into rebellion and warlordism. War again returned to Europe, but things would soon balance out. They always do...
Far across a shattered Asia, Japan has freed itself from the shackles of Yoshiro's demon empire, but thier ruling family, the Yamato dynasty, is destroyed. The Samurai hero Kyotoro Minamyoto, a descendant of the Goddess of Light, Aurora II, was selected to become the new Emperor of Japan. He also became the new God of Light, when Aurora II stepped down from the positon. Leaving the governorship of the Japanese Empire to the capable hands of the Tokugawa clan, appointed Seii Taishogun, he ascended to Godheim, to dwell in the Hall of the High Elders, as God of Light and Emperor of Japan, forevermore...

[Hapsburg]

Continuing...
EUROPE, 1680:
http://img224.imageshack.us/img224/955/europe16803rq.png
The Wars between the european forces are over. Due to direct French assistance against the Spanish, the Dutch have taken control over all of the Netherlands, under thier leader, William Henry of Orange. Meanwhile, the Habsburgs managed to take control of Hungary, though Bohemia was lost to the Palatinians. Brandenburg still holds Silesia. The Crowns of England, Scotland, and Ireland are collectively known as the "Union of Britain", though they are officially seperate monarchies. The wars in the east, with the Muscovite remnants are also over; the Swedish monarchy and the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth have come off of the war with more territory. The Russian Tsardom is still weakened, both by war and by economic troubles. In the Ottoman Empire, the civil wars have ended, but Greece has broken away, and formed into independant duchies and kingdom, with much of Hellas itself being Venetian puppet states and vassals.
France has annexed the Freecounty from the Habsburgs, during the 1674-78 Franco-Habsburg War, in which the Netherlands also gained territory. The Holy Roman Empire, to the east, still limps on. The current Emperor, Leopold, the sole survivor of the Austrian habsburgs, attempts to keep the empire together, while the greed and vanity rampant with the lesser princes try to tear it asunder. Far across the broken and shattered Asia, the Japanese military, commanded Tokugawa Shoguns, invade Korea on the orders of Viceroy-Emperor Kyoga, son of God-Emperor Kyotoro. Life was seemingly returning to normal, across the world...

[eschaton]

Hapsburg,

I still don't quite understand how the old states reformed in your ASB ATL so quickly. I guess the Demon armies didn't kill most of the people in the areas they took over, so the rulers in exile could return to essentially unscathed nations?

[Agentdark]

I thought I heard Hapsburg say the Humans were enslaved, but not killed.

[Hapsburg]

I thought I heard Hapsburg say the Humans were enslaved, but not killed.
What he said. Most humans were enslaved. Yoshiro was preparing to slaughter them all after he conquered the entire earth, but he never got the chance. Thusly, the people were mostly still there and they could for their nations back, albeit less powerful.

[Hapsburg]

Oh come on, you have to have some good ASB maps!
To tie us over 'till we get some more...continuing from the SotS Maps:

EUROPE, 1690:
http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/3685/europe16906nh.png
The Glorious Revolution of 1687 deposed the Stuart King, Charles II, who, despite the actions of France, was replaced with William Henry of the United Netherlands, styled as William III. To the east, Russia was coninued to expand back towards Asia while their Tsar hungers for the Baltics. Further to the north, Sweden and the Elven Commonwealth have begun to fight a border war.
In 1689, William III of England and the Netherlands gathered a congress of the parliaments of England, Ireland, the Netherlands, and Scotland, at Ghent. There, they made an Act of Union, uniting the four monarchies into a monarchic commonwealth, termed the "Union of Ghent", with William as King. In Central Europe, the War of the Grand Alliance is still raging, which has pitted France against every European power surrounding them. The germans have united against this common enemy, which has sparked a quasipatriotic feeling within them. The Habsburgs have seized Bohemia, but northern Bavaria and the Rhine Palatine still are in the hands of the Paletinian Wittelsbachs, supported by France. To the South, the Venetian puppets, the Duchy of Thrace and the Grand Duchy of Thebes have been absorbed by the Kingdom of Macedon, and it seems a new power is rising in the independant Hellenic states. The Cossack Republic has successfully defended itself, and has permanently thrown off the yoke of Russian rule.
Far across Asia, to the lands of the Far East coast, the Japanese have managed to establish a beachhead on Korea. Their wide use of arquebusiers and pike-troops, carbine-equipped heavy cavalry, and elite samurai forces, have been the main cause for thier early success, though they have found it hard to advance too far past the Nakdong River, though their use of raiding Korean towns even up to the Han River have given them much loot.

[Thande]

From a challenge by Glen:

[luakel]

January 1, 1976- every communist country on Earth is replaced with water from an Earth with no land.

[Hapsburg]

I'm skipping ahead a bit (read: a few centuries), to the year 2000...
WORLD, 2000:
http://img47.imageshack.us/img47/9280/world20004ti.png

[Tom Veil]

An ASB map. The ASBs made a Mosaic Earth of stereotypical versions of 'popular' countries that often show up on this site ;)

I just noticed this map. That's hilarious! I'm guilty of about half of those already...

[WhatIsAUserName]

Hapsburg, I'm guessing your "Asian Empire" is another name for Imperial Japan, is it not?

Yup, another uber-Ethiopia.

And no German unification (or reunification?)

Babylon? Greater Tibet?

[Hapsburg]

Hapsburg, I'm guessing your "Asian Empire" is another name for Imperial Japan, is it not?
Nope. Officially the "Imperial Federation of the Seven Races", it is a federal state made up of the Empire of Japan, the Empire of China, the Empire of Manchuria, the Empire of Korea, the Empire of Xinjiang, the and the Khanate of Mongolia, all ruled by a single monarch, not too unlike the early unified spain. The "seven races" are the Han, the Zhuang, the Manchu, the Mongols, the Hui, the Koreans, and the Japanese. Although the officially capitol is in Tokyo, all of the constituent emperordoms are more or less autonomous states and the entire nation is an equal and free society.

Yup, another uber-Ethiopia.
Kinda and kinda not. Many parts of the Ethiopian Empire are autonomous regions. OTL's "ethiopia" is the stable part of Ethiopia, and is directly governed by the Imperial government.

And no German unification (or reunification?)
Napoleon sort-of wins, and avoids conflict in Spain and Russia, concentrating on Central Europe and Italy, forming the Republic of Rome, the Swiss Republic, and the Republic of Germany (OTL's Rheinbund), which started out as "client republics", but became increasingly independant and autonomous. By 2000, they are decently poweful European powers.

Babylon?
After WW1 (1916-1921), the Ottoman Empire is taken apart by the victorious powers. The coast of Anatolia is given to Greece/Hellas, a "greater syria" is formed, which includes the Palestinian, Lebanese, and Israeli autonomous regions. Iraq is made independant, as a monarchy. The Kings rule for a few decades, but in the 60s, they are overthrown, and the Iraqis form a republic, and they name in the honor of the ancient civilization that made mesopotamia great: Babylon.

Greater Tibet?
Tibet stays independant and strong, and recaptures some lost territory, including OTL's Nepal and Bhutan.

[Diamond]

Here's a blank sorta-kinda Pangea map I made.

[Glen]

Here's a blank sorta-kinda Pangea map I made.

Cool:cool: :cool: :cool:

[Hapsburg]

Here's another SotS Map.
WORLD, 1820:
http://img287.imageshack.us/img287/6262/world18206dm.png
Europe is at peace. The wars of Napoleon I, Gallic Emperor, have ended, and he has made peace with the nations we warred with. The territories have been readjusted. Austria has ceded the Tyrol to the crown of Bavaria (ruled by King Maximilian I). In return, they have total control over Venetia and Milan. Northern Italy, long since formed into the independant Roman Republic, has given limited autonomy to the Pope, in the form of the Vatican Hill in the City of Rome. Hanover has been merged into the British Crown. Sweden, Norway, and Denmark have merged their lands into a single Kingdom in the face of the massive and powerful Elven Empire. Prussia has retained its Polish lands, and the King has made himself Emperor of Prussia and King of Poznan. The Russian possessions in former Poland-Lithuania have been reorganized as the Kingdom of Poland, a region of limited nominal autonomy that is really part of the Russian Empire. the remaining parts of Germany have been organized into the German Republic. Wolfgang von Goethe, the famed polymath, was elected as the republic's first President in 1810, and still serves. The United States, across the Ocean, has long since aquired Louisiana, and fought Britain over ownership of Canada. The Anglo-American War of 1812-1815 ended in a stalemate, though the United States maintained their sovereignty. Spain has lost much territory in the Americas. First Mexico, then Colombia, Brazil, Central America, and then La Plata. They hold only a small part of South America now, and it is being slowly eaten away by Peru, Brazil, and La Plata. In Africa, the British and Elven colonial empire expand vastly. In response, several subsaharan african tribes have formed the African Confederacy, a loose alliance of many tribal groups. To the south, the Congolese and Angolan peoples form a second Kongo Empire. Most of the continent, however, is a vast, unexplored wilderness. Britain controls the Indian Subcontinent and Oceania almost completely. Across the continent, in the far east Coast, Japan had managed to bring the UK into their war. British troops invade the southern coast of China, and attempt to link up with Japanese forces and Shanghai. Meanwhile, the bulk of the Japanese Army continues fighting in Manchuria. A divisive rift has formed between the Manchu leadership and the majority Han citizenry. The Qing Dynasty capitol in Beijing has been captured by Japan, and the Manchurians have mostly sided with the Japanese. The Qing themselves fled to Xinjiang years ago. One year ago, the Chinese Emperor was assassinated, and the Japanese Emperor has laid claim to the Mandate of Heaven. The War of the Chinese Succession has begun.

[Glen]

Boy, other than the fantasy countries, that's a great map!

[Doeth]

:cool::eek: :D :rolleyes: :confused: ;) :p

[Hapsburg]

Boy, other than the fantasy countries, that's a great map!
What fantasy countries? The elves in the story are portrayed realistically, at least the earthen ones. There are elves (Hochälf) that dwell in the Ethereal Planes, but they're really just the spirits of the elven dead. The elves are mostly just an ethnic group, almost universally good at archery and marskmanship and possessing long, pointed ears. Their physical appearance differs according to what ethnic populations they are a part of. The ones that formed their own civilization are the ones that resided in the relatively isolated northern scandanavia, not hard to grasp, as they'd be distanced from the barbarian tribes and the Rus. Their isolated and harsh homelands made them into a harsh and brutal people, powerful and strong. Though cultured by Swedish and Norwegian influences, they still retain their ferocity, and put this to an advantage, and become like a Scandanavian France.:D
Though the concept of "elves" in general and the "Ethereal Planes" might be pure fantasy, the implications and details of earth-dwelling elven peoples are very realistic.

[Glen]

What fantasy countries? The elves in the story are portrayed realistically, at least the earthen ones. There are elves (Hochälf) that dwell in the Ethereal Planes, but they're really just the spirits of the elven dead. The elves are mostly just an ethnic group, almost universally good at archery and marskmanship and possessing long, pointed ears. Their physical appearance differs according to what ethnic populations they are a part of. The ones that formed their own civilization are the ones that resided in the relatively isolated northern scandanavia, not hard to grasp, as they'd be distanced from the barbarian tribes and the Rus. Their isolated and harsh homelands made them into a harsh and brutal people, powerful and strong. Though cultured by Swedish and Norwegian influences, they still retain their ferocity, and put this to an advantage, and become like a Scandanavian France.:D
Though the concept of "elves" in general and the "Ethereal Planes" might be pure fantasy, the implications and details of earth-dwelling elven peoples are very realistic.

Well, its a very realistic portrayal of a legendary race.

[Hapsburg]

REPUBLIC of Japan?:eek:
Damn, something serious must've happened for the Japanese to overthrow their ages-old dynasty and form a completely democratic government...

[BGMan]

@Hapsburg:

Like the seventeenth-century history! The Demon Empire made me think of the Scourge from Warcraft III.

I wonder what languages these Elves speak? J.R.R. Tolkien's Quenya (High-elven) is made to sound like a mixture of Finnish and Italian. I suppose one could make them a distant relative of the Finns, in place of the Lapps. I do think it may be pushing it a bit to have these obviously cold-weather folks take over a chunk of the Sahara in your 1820 map. :o

Whatever happened to the Here Be Dragons? Did the Russians simply take over their lands?

BG

[DarkSlavik]

@Hapsburg:

Like the seventeenth-century history! The Demon Empire made me think of the Scourge from Warcraft III.

I wonder what languages these Elves speak? J.R.R. Tolkien's Quenya (High-elven) is made to sound like a mixture of Finnish and Italian. I suppose one could make them a distant relative of the Finns, in place of the Lapps. I do think it may be pushing it a bit to have these obviously cold-weather folks take over a chunk of the Sahara in your 1820 map. :o

Whatever happened to the Here Be Dragons? Did the Russians simply take over their lands?

BG

Scourge was army's of undead under control of the Lich King, this has more relation to the Burning Legion itself.

[Hapsburg]

Like the seventeenth-century history! The Demon Empire made me think of the Scourge from Warcraft III.
I based it partly from that, and the Burning Legion in general. Also, I used bits of mythologies from around the world, as well as some Tolkein and Elder Scrolls influences.

I wonder what languages these Elves speak?
Swedish. The elves of the Elven Empire are very much close, genetically, to ethnic swedes.

I do think it may be pushing it a bit to have these obviously cold-weather folks take over a chunk of the Sahara in your 1820 map. :o
They more of just lay claim to it, and send exploration parties deeper in. They only really "control" a limited amount of what they claim. However, later on, they will start taking a more assertive role in governing their claims in the near future.

Whatever happened to the Here Be Dragons? Did the Russians simply take over their lands?
Oh, for the last time: the dragons aren't sentient to the degree that humans are. They don't "control" the territory like humans would. The dragons are basically wild animals. The Russians just had to put down rebels and autonomous warlord states in the regions they reconquered. That wouldn't take too long, even with the extent to which Russia had been devastated.

[Straha]

I fixed the map

[EvolvedSaurian]

Oh..... dang.

[Doeth]

:cool::eek: :D :rolleyes: :confused: ;) :p

Anything???

[Hapsburg]

Anything???
It's a bit wonky. The Australia supercontinent thing looks a bit obviously "fake".

[Diamond]

:cool::eek: :D :rolleyes: :confused: ;) :p
The Americas look great, but I'm with Hapsburg on the Australian supercontinent - it looks out of place - mainly because it doesn't seem to 'flow' right with the SE Asia.

[Doeth]

The Americas look great, but I'm with Hapsburg on the Australian supercontinent - it looks out of place - mainly because it doesn't seem to 'flow' right with the SE Asia.

How's this?

[BGMan]

Swedish. The elves of the Elven Empire are very much close, genetically, to ethnic swedes.
I suppose in this world, one might find elven towns in the Upper Midwest of the USA. :D

I did read the comments to your first map more carefully, and got that Switzerland is the dwarven confederation. (I'm guessing they speak Schwyzerdutsch?)

Also, I know it's hard to label as such on your world maps, but are there other non-human/magical/mythical kingdoms/realms in the other continents besides Europe?

And one last question: What was that font did you use in your Europe maps?

Oh, for the last time: the dragons aren't sentient to the degree that humans are. They don't "control" the territory like humans would. The dragons are basically wild animals. The Russians just had to put down rebels and autonomous warlord states in the regions they reconquered. That wouldn't take too long, even with the extent to which Russia had been devastated.
I'm sorry, I didn't know. In some stories, dragons are sentient beings, in others they aren't.

Good luck on your project... I can tell it'll be great!

BG

[Hapsburg]

I suppose in this world, one might find elven towns in the Upper Midwest of the USA. :D
Some might.:p
After the revolutionary war, most of the Hessians fighting for Britain became American citizens. So it is with the Elven volunteers on the American side.

I did read the comments to your first map more carefully, and got that Switzerland is the dwarven confederation. (I'm guessing they speak Schwyzerdutsch?)
Generally, yes, though a slightly older form. Living and working under the mountains can do that.:D

Also, I know it's hard to label as such on your world maps, but are there other non-human/magical/mythical kingdoms/realms in the other continents besides Europe?
Not at the times shown the world maps, but during the classical periods, dark ages and middle ages, various kingdoms existed that were ruled and/or populated by mythic beings. Most notably, in Hokkaido and northern Honshu, there was a small kingdom of Japanese Elves. However, they got swallowed up when the Yamato (Japanese) Emperors conquered the island. The elves became more integrated with Japanese society, like the Ainu, but even moreso. The main hero of the story, Kyotoro Minamyoto, is half-elven, in specifically, a high elf that was descended from the goddess of light.

And one last question: What was that font did you use in your Europe maps?
Lucide Blackletter.

I'm sorry, I didn't know. In some stories, dragons are sentient beings, in others they aren't.
True. To be honest, really, ITTL there are some sentient dragons. They mostly resided in Asia. The trouble is, by the time shown in these maps, many had been killed, and the ones that were alive sided with Yoshiro, and were slain in battle during the wars caused by the Demon Army.

Good luck on your project... I can tell it'll be great!
Thanks. Funny thing is, the whole thing started from three crappy no-budget home movies, and just...spun out from there. The biggest addition to it was the character Dark Alden, which my friend Weston created for an entirely different storyline. The character fit into this story well enough, though.

[Diamond]

How's this?
That one I like - I might try to redo it with that generic map template I always use, if you don't mind...

[Hapsburg]

Here's Europe map, but I did it on my upstairs computer instead of my mother's, so...the fonts are fucked up. Best I could do.
EUROPE, c. 2000.
http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/6545/europe2000lg3.png

[Glen]

Why do these maps never have Dwarves?

I think the Alps should be lousy with them.

But hey, what do I know.

[Hapsburg]

Why do these maps never have Dwarves?
Because the Dwarves are integrated into Swiss society. Infact, they make up the leadership of Switzerland's military

I think the Alps should be lousy with them.
Well, it was a bit tension-filled in Switzerland in its beginning, but by the 1600s, it's relatively fine internally.

[Glen]

Because the Dwarves are integrated into Swiss society. Infact, they make up the leadership of Switzerland's military


Well, it was a bit tension-filled in Switzerland in its beginning, but by the 1600s, it's relatively fine internally.

Okay, I remember something about that. Still would love to see a Dwarven nation...hmmm...maybe expand the map and show a Dwarven state in the Urals?:eek:

[Hapsburg]

Okay, I remember something about that. Still would love to see a Dwarven nation...hmmm...maybe expand the map and show a Dwarven state in the Urals?:eek:
I have that, at one time, there were dwarven nations in the Hindu Kush, the Urals, and the Carpathians. However, they were all conquered by various empires. I might have a dwarven nation form on earth again, or, perhaps, have a few planets settled by Dwarves when Space Colonisation begins in the 2100s. ;)

Also, Me and my colleagues have done some thinking about bringing back the Demon Army. We've decided to have it thise way: when Kyotoro slew Yoshiro in 1651, he really just sent Yoshiro's soul back to the Ethereal Plane, where it was trapped in a crystalline stasis field, guarded by Lord Aulden (previously Dark Alden), who is now the High Elder God of Order (basically the lead man of the High Elder Gods). We're thinking of Aulden betraying his position, re-donning his black suit, and releasing Yoshiro. Dark Alden then traps Kyotoro (now the High Elder God of Light, Tennaki), in the same stasis field and dumps him in the asphodel fields. Yoshiro then conquers the Ethereal Planes first, imprisoning the elder gods in gemstones, which he places on the pommel of his sword. The high gods, major gods, and minor gods are trapped in stasis fields. Then Yoshiro begins the invasion anew. As his armies march further across earth, they gain new technology and adapt it to their military. Soon, they begin to build starships ( :eek: ) to combat the forces of the Galactic Confederation. Meanwhile, Dark Alden, who is still technically the god of order and balance, puts in motion a plot of his own that just might restore the balance.

[Hapsburg]

Well, since it's been 12 hours, I'll continue...
http://img158.imageshack.us/img158/7919/world2603xv7.png
It is a dark day indeed. The demon army has, just days prior, surfaced on Antarctica. The Earth Sphere Allied Nations security council has begun a counterattack, but the demons have beguns to use their own technologically advanced weaponry in retaliaiton. The ESAN has alerted the other planets of the Republic of Free Species (RFS for short), and they have begun a mass-mobilization of troops. Other planets are reporting attacks by bizzarre creatures, and a few have fallen. The ones holding out do not know how much longer they can keep up the defense. The demons are just...so numerous...
The leader of the demon army is, again, God-Emperor Yoshiro, who has gained control of the Ethereal Planes before his invasion of the Universe. He is vastly more powerful, as is his second-in-command, once again Dark Alden. The only one who can defeat Yoshiro, Kyotoro Minamyoto, now the God of Light, Tennaki, is locked away in a similar crystalline prison that Yoshiro was locked in. The future seems grim for not only humanity, but indeed all species. The demons have returned...

[Glen]

Last map is obviously ASB...there's no Switzerland on it.;)

[Hapsburg]

Last map is obviously ASB...there's no Switzerland on it.;)
1. Well, it is further into the future than my past maps.

2. Switzerland is part of the United Federation of European States.

3. Doesn't matter, it's all part of the central ESAN government.

[Timmy811]

http://img47.imageshack.us/img47/7783/posleenpanamamapwt7.jpg

[Thande]

I assume that's for the new Posleen book? ("Yellow Eyes", isn't it?)

[Timmy811]

Yup, sure is. :cool:

I've been reading the snippets Kratman has been posting at Ringo's tarvern over at Baen's Bar and it's even more ASB then usual. Insane AI FTW!

[Thande]

I think that's the first decent picture of a Posleen I've seen.

[Timmy811]

I think that's the first decent picture of a Posleen I've seen.
I've always liked this pic

http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/8784/posleenpg9.png

[Haggis]

http://img101.imageshack.us/my.php?image=asbmapau9.png


Fear.

[Glen]

1. Well, it is further into the future than my past maps.

2. Switzerland is part of the United Federation of European States.

3. Doesn't matter, it's all part of the central ESAN government.

Never would the Free Swiss bow down to Federal European dominance!

Swiss neutrality is eternal!:rolleyes:

[Glen]

Yup, sure is. :cool:

I've been reading the snippets Kratman has been posting at Ringo's tarvern over at Baen's Bar and it's even more ASB then usual. Insane AI FTW!

Cool.............

[Glen]

I've always liked this pic

http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/8784/posleenpg9.png

The Posleen is cool, but the Suit could use work.

[Doeth]

UPDATE!!!!!

[Thande]

I've always liked this pic

http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/8784/posleenpg9.png
I always thought 'meh' to that one. The Posleen looks like it's 1. bipedal 2. in a suit and 3. has just walked out of 'World of Warcraft' ;) And it head seems too broad, too alligatorish - maybe it's just me, but I pictured their heads as looking more like that of a small raptor dinosaur, more like the one shown on the map above.

[Hapsburg]

The guy looks like something out of Starcraft.

[Doeth]

The guy looks like something out of Starcraft.

Indeed, a terran mariene and a Protoss...

[Straha]

An update of a map that was posted already. Well morel ike a revisison...

[Thande]

That doesn't look especially ASB to me... :confused:

[Glen]

That doesn't look especially ASB to me... :confused:

Nor I...I wonder where the ASB bit comes in.

[Lokit]

Nor I...I wonder where the ASB bit comes in.


The text Finnmarkia under madagascar is where i bet my three ören.

[Imajin]

That doesn't look especially ASB to me... :confused:The Republic of Japan?

[Glen]

The Republic of Japan?

Not ASB...tough, but not ASB.

[Hapsburg]

Not ASB...tough, but not ASB.
You severely underestimate the cultural importance of the Emperor in Japan. Even today, it's an important piece of the japanese cultural identity.

[Straha]

The text Finnmarkia under madagascar is where i bet my three ören.
Finnmarkia is actually the natal region of south africa plus. A combination of boers and scandanvians

Nor I...I wonder where the ASB bit comes in.
This is a world that has various nonhuman races existing on it and more lviable planets in the solar system for a start(its got other stuff)

The Republic of Japan?
Yes. The japanesel ose their monarchy in the 1840s. A victorious napoleonic france opened japan in the 1820s causing japan to be expsoed to enlightenment thouh earlier. A more expansionist US intervenes in the 1860s to help republican revolutionaries.

[Hapsburg]

The Earth, c. 2000.
http://img486.imageshack.us/img486/2548/world2000fn6.png

[The Abyss]

http://upload4.postimage.org/723117/Blankworldmap.jpg (http://upload4.postimage.org/723117/photo_hosting.html)

[Kabraloth]

The Earth, c. 2000.

Little nitpick: we Germans don't put word after word, we add them up.
So, Neu Schwabenland should either be Neuschwabenland or Neu-Schwabenland (same with Neu-Sachsen and Franz-Joseph-Land).

[Nekromans]

Canucko-Mexican NA? Now we're talking - tequila and maple syrup!

[WhatIsAUserName]

Canucko-Mexican NA? Now we're talking - tequila and maple syrup!

That would be the ultimate margarita (just kidding:D)

[Hapsburg]

Europe, 1800, from the same timeline.
http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/7770/europe1800tb3.png
In 1799, Napoleon does his whole "coup" thing, and etc. He brokers peace with Austria, Prussia, and the gang, and sets up some client republics and a client kingdom. He forms the German Confederation, composed of basically every remaining german state except Austria and Prussia.
Holy Roman Emperor Francis II abolishes the Holy Roman Empire so the German Confederation can form peacefully, and so the larger states of the former-Empire can raise their statuses. He declares himself "Emperor of Austria and Spain" and merges the two Habsburg crowns into one polyglot monarchy.

[WhatIsAUserName]

Did you just give Rome to the Ottomans? They have the same color scheme you know. . . :D

[Kabraloth]

Did you just give Rome to the Ottomans? They have the same color scheme you know. . . :D
They don't, actually. I can see the difference just fine.

[Hapsburg]

It looks similar on my computer, but noticably different.
Eh, but, no, they do not own Rome. That's the rump state of the Papacy, after Napoleon re-organized a bit.

But, what do you think of the map? :D

[Imajin]

Have the Elven Commonwealth and Russia merged?

[Nekromans]

Once again, Imajin's legendary monitor.

Why don't you get a new one?

[Thande]

Once again, Imajin's legendary monitor.

Why don't you get a new one?
Nah, that's like saying we should make a new Map Thread or something - it's part of the AH.com mythos, it even got Imajin some more paragraphs in his Wiki biography :D

[Hapsburg]

Map of the Central Galactic Union, c.6315.
Outlined in blue, with sectorial borders in green.
http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/3330/mapofthecentralgalacticunionc6315ld1.png

[Hapsburg]

Well, since it's been, what, a week?
Bump!

Europe, c. 2008. From my ASB Sorrow of the Samurai timeline.
http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/2438/europe2008kq9.png

[Doeth]

Good god, what happend to Austria :eek:

[Straha]

Final edit for my 2006 world map for my big TL. The middle east's history has been changed and New England does a sucessful secession referendum in 2006(conservative, nativist, protestant new england pulls a quebec).

[Hapsburg]

Good god, what happend to Austria :eek:
Franz Josef leaves the day-to-day running of the Austro-Spanish Empire to his son, Rudolph, in 1885. Major foreign policy are stil handled by Emperor Franz Josef. When Franz J. dies in 1916, Rudolph becomes Emperor of Austria, but the Spanish crown council refuse him as Emperor of Spain, and choose the Duke of Orleans. So, a war begins between France, Italy, Spain, Russia, and Turkey v.s Austria, Germany, Vellicia, Vampyria, Greece, and Britain. The war ends with France defeated, Italy divvied up, the Ottomans shattered, and the Russian Empire overthrown with Poland, Finland, and Livonia as newly independent states. Archduke Francis Ferdinand is made Emperor Francis II of Spain, thus dividing the House of Habsburg once again into Austrian and Spanish branches.
Rudolph essentially reforms the Austrian Empire, making it a federalized state where each kingdom (and thus, each ethnic group) had relative autonomy, and each had representation in the Council of State in Vienna. This, and liberal policies by Rudolph, his grand-nephew and heir, Charles I, and Charles' son and heir, Otto I, the empire adapted to changes in the world around them, thus mainting themselves to this day.

Also, because they annexed Serbia from the Ottoman Empire in the 1912-13 Balkan War, it sort-of butterflies away the whole assassination attempt on Franz Ferdinand.:D

[Straha]

Habsburg; any comments on my changes to my map?

[Hapsburg]

Habsburg; any comments on my changes to my map?
Heh. "Bjorko Pact". Greenland. Hahaha.:p

And a fairly big prussia? Though they don't control the rhineland...interesting.
Good map.:cool:

[Straha]

1 Denmark and Norway stay closer than OTL so they eventually form a federation becomign a federal republci

2 No german unification

[Hapsburg]

1 Denmark and Norway stay closer than OTL so they eventually form a federation becomign a federal republci

2 No german unification
Hmmm....in my TL, the remains of Denmark-Norway merge with Sweden in 1814, when the King of Denmark is made heir to Sweden, and the Swedish Monarch abdicates soon after, thus creating the United Kingdoms of Sweden, Denmark, and Norway.

Additionally, German Unification happens in an odd way. First, Napoleon does his invade-europe-and-rearrange-it thing, except he doesn't meddle with Austria's or Prussia's territories, lets Britain keep Hannover, and the HRE is abolished in 1803 rather than 1806. He establishes the Confederation of the Rhine in 1805-7. In 1809, many states of the Rheinbund (except the Kingdom of Westphalia, the Kingdom of Saxony, and the Kingdom of Hannover) take up arms, and joins with Austria, and Prussia a year later, for a war, as Emperor Francis puts it, "for Germany's liberation". The German Alliance fight from 1809 to 1813, finally defeating Napoleon. However, lack of British and Russian support means that the victory is not as great. Austria allows Napoleon to keep his throne, and the Netherlands, so long as he keeps the peace. Prussia recieves the Rhineland and northern Saxony (many german states are angered at Saxony's non-involvement) , and Austria gets Lombardy-Venetia. The Rheinbund is abolished, and in its place is formed the German Confederation, a close alliance (rather than the loose one IOTL), with the Austro-Spanish Emperor as Hereditary President of the Confederation. Frankfurt is made a Free City and is the center of German culture and of the Confederal Diet. Austria and Prussia still conduct foreign affairs as they want, of course, but legislation prevents members of the Confederation from making war on each other. In the 1860s, Austria and Prussia throw these laws to the wind, when they make war with Denmark over possession of Holstein and Schleswig (1861-63), and when they fight each other the German Civil War (1864-1867). Austria gets booted from the German Confederation, but the GC is not abolished, simply the office of hereditary president is transferred to Prussia. In 1869, Dutch and Belgian citizens rebel against the French Empire, and Prussia leads the German Confederation in a war to ensure Dutch and Belgian liberation. On the Dutch throne is placed the Prince of Orange (naturally), and on the Belgian throne is placed George Frederick, the former King of Hanover. The French are soundly defeated by the GC, and are forced to surrender Alcase and Lorraine, which are formed into the Kingdom of Lorraine, with the Grand Duke of Hesse as King. The King of Prussia, William I, is crowned with the old Imperial Regalia as "German Emperor" at Frankfurt, thus transforming the German Confederation into the Federation of the German Empire.

[The Abyss]

heres a continental USA that ASB's had a field day on:

[Franz Josef II]

Map of the Central Galactic Union, c.6315.
Outlined in blue, with sectorial borders in green.
http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/3330/mapofthecentralgalacticunionc6315ld1.png

Hapsburg, that's pretty cool. Have you written any stories to go along with it?

[Spacedragonblue]

Not totally insane, but a rediculously unlikely 2006.
http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/2443/worlddo7.png

[Straha]

Flocc will kill you...

[Diamond]

Not totally insane, but a rediculously unlikely 2006.
Nice map, but the lines connecting the various territories are distracting. It's probably pretty clear that areas of like colors are controlled by the same people.

[The Abyss]

i think mine are crazier. eh?

[Othniel]

Flocc will kill you...
I don't think he will in this circumstnace, and Southeastern Asia is not under Japaness control, further more you can see that Indian is under the Mughals which are Islamic, while I think the Thai are Buddist and a native culture.

[Hapsburg]

Hapsburg, that's pretty cool. Have you written any stories to go along with it?
No written stories yet, but me and my friends who created the CGU-Universe, or Unionverse, have made a large storyline for it. Originally, we had a very convoluted and weird backstory, but then we though to merge two of our stories into one timeline, and thus the Nuke/Hacker story became the initial backstory to how the CGU came into existence. We even made a connection by having the creator and ruler of the Central Galactic Union, Maximilian, be decended from our character Samuel Lloyd, better known as Hacker. The things that Hacker himself does in the Nuke storyline is really the catalyst that causes humanity to unify.
So, obviously, there is a long story behind it, just nothing written per se. However, I am planning on starting to start writing the first book, detailing the events of the the Human-Zaaroft War (6288-6315) from the perspective of two brothers in the military, soon enough.

[Susano]

Not totally insane, but a rediculously unlikely 2006.

Funny how there are Dutch East Indies, but no Netherlands :D

[Spacedragonblue]

I don't think he will in this circumstnace, and Southeastern Asia is not under Japaness control, further more you can see that Indian is under the Mughals which are Islamic, while I think the Thai are Buddist and a native culture.
Wait...who is Flocc, and why would he hate my map?

edit: well, I suppose the dutch decided to hold on to them as a safe haven, as opposed to the Napoleonic Wars, where they literallly gave them away to Britain for safe-keeping

[JHPier]

Adding my two bits ...

[Doeth]

Do you have to make us feel sad? :( :mad: :p

Here's mine from the Allustrious Universe (EDIT: Not totally ASB, but the Aliens in it make it sort of ASB...)
http://img466.imageshack.us/img466/9070/galaxyco7.jpg

[Hapsburg]

WORLD, 1942, during the WW2-equivalent in my SotS universe.
http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/5501/world1942tj2.png
The light blue are French puppet states and French-occupied-but-not-annexed territories.

[dreadnought jenkins]

ASB's make the old world the new world. Japan and korea are in the south and there is a united states and Canada across the sea as it is already 1805.

[Hapsburg]

Huh. I would've thought Michigan would've been a more appropriate Denmark, seeing as how it's shaped like Jutland. :D

From the Unionverse...
Earth, 6315. Shown are the Prefectures, which are further subdivided into provinces.
http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/8880/cguearthprefecturesvb5.png

[BlackMage]

I hate to practice thread necromancy, but I think this deserves to be here: does anyone know where I could find an editable version of the Discworld map, or indeed a downloadable copy of the Discworld map at all? Any help would be greatly appreciated.

[Thande]

Here's one that could be cleaned up into an editable version easier than the usual JPEGs:

http://www.unseensoft.com/Pratchettes/Map.gif

[BlackMage]

Wow. That's fantastic, Thande. Thank you so much!

[Nekromans]

FourEcks looks a little like SA, right?

[BlackMage]

FourEcks looks a little like SA, right?

It's...ahem...'loosely' based on Australia as a whole, except with an elongated Victoria and no Queensland. So pretty much paradise, really. (I kid, I kid)

[Thande]

It is based on Australia, but Nek meant the shape. I always thought it looked like a mini Africa, but I can see South America as well.

[BGMan]

Do you have to make us feel sad? :( :mad: :p

Here's mine from the Allustrious Universe (EDIT: Not totally ASB, but the Aliens in it make it sort of ASB...)
How come most of the sector names look like random letters? (Rtgnfd and such things...) A lot of aliens must have languages with impossible consonant clusters... :p

WORLD, 1942, during the WW2-equivalent in my SotS universe.
The light blue are French puppet states and French-occupied-but-not-annexed territories.
Is that the equivalent of WW2, or the Napoleonic Wars? :confused:

Here's one that could be cleaned up into an editable version easier than the usual JPEGs:

Is it really leaking its oceans over the edge? How long will it be before the oceans are gone?
ASB's make the old world the new world. Japan and korea are in the south and there is a united states and Canada across the sea as it is already 1805.
That really should go here:
http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?p=724501

[Thande]

Is it really leaking its oceans over the edge? How long will it be before the oceans are gone?
I think the quote in Discworld is "the oceans pour ceaselessly over the Rim of the world. Don't ask how the water gets replenished; some things man was not meant to know" ;)

[Doctor What]

I hate to practice thread necromancy, but I think this deserves to be here: does anyone know where I could find an editable version of the Discworld map, or indeed a downloadable copy of the Discworld map at all? Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Here's another version

http://www.voidspace.org.uk/cyberpunk/discworld/discworld.html

You can zoom in into each section of the map.

[Hapsburg]

Is that the equivalent of WW2, or the Napoleonic Wars? :confused:
WW2. ITTL, Napoleon doesn't meddle in Spain or Russia, and just decides to keep what he's got in 1812. The French Empire gets smackdowned, though, in WW1 (Called the War of the Spanish Succession in TTL). Afterwards, they pull a Nazi-Germany, with Petain leading it, and go apeshit over central Europe.

[Poison Frog]

Interesting map thread! Just a few questions..

Final edit for my 2006 world map for my big TL. The middle east's history has been changed and New England does a sucessful secession referendum in 2006(conservative, nativist, protestant new england pulls a quebec).

What's the deal with this map? What's the POD?

Wait...who is Flocc, and why would he hate my map?

edit: well, I suppose the dutch decided to hold on to them as a safe haven, as opposed to the Napoleonic Wars, where they literallly gave them away to Britain for safe-keeping

Can you make this into an editable form?

Here's another version

http://www.voidspace.org.uk/cyberpunk/discworld/discworld.html

You can zoom in into each section of the map.


Very helpful map!

[Hapsburg]

Mwahahaha! Large Empires!
Earth, 2150...
http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/6918/earth2150sj5.png

[htgriffin]

The political/economic situation of the British Isles one, five, and 10 years after this little bit of disruption (http://alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=28771). And you can feel free to play with what happens on the other end too.

A future history that combines the changes in the Shadowrun world with more plausable political developments.

Someone run with Stirling's 'Red Death' timeline.


HTG

[Glen]

Planets of Dune as instead nations/states of the Earth.

[leapofaith97]

Another Cliche and poke fun of AH map:

[Thande]

Nice. :D

@Glen - I can see the others, but why is Russia Giedi Prime? :confused:

[seleucusVII]

So, here it is:

Every country here is its world greatest superpower in 2007, the ASBs make them having to share the world with themselves,
The red is USSR, in its world has made the balcanic states soviet republics, and then won the cold war.
The light green is the Roman Empire, surviving 'till today with colonies all around the world.
The purple is Gran Colombia, thanks to the efforts of Bolivar becoming a united latin america republic, and therefore the world greatest superpower.
The white is Viking Empire, which in its TL has conquered Vinland and beyond.
The orange is Dutch Empire, from a TL where the GWC has more power than any country, including Netherlands by itself.
The blue is Berberic Monarchy, from a TL where the ASBs made a giant freshwater lake in the Sahara and the Berbers made a civilization in there.
The lightiest blue is Mongol Empire, which extention goes much further, 'till the Atlantic, and no one can fight against them.
The grey is Nazi Germany, from a TL where they won WW2, and made all Europe their satellites and puppets, conquering a lot of colonies (yes, they have a small area in Africa, and all Antarctica).
The "hard pink" is Persian Empire, their TL Greece is all conquered, and the Empire lasts 'till today.
The heavy green is the Caliphate, powerful as ever, with all Europe dead from the dark plague (like YRS).
That "light purple" country in Egypt, is Pharaonic Egypt itself, from a TL where there's no western civilization, where Minoic Crete destroyed Greece.
The pink country in South Africa is an Afrikaner Empire, where, supported by Great Britain, they conquered everything 'till River Congo.
The country with the color between green and grey is the Mali Kingdom, a muslim nation, that survived and made agreements with the west, becoming later a superpower.
The country in the opposite side of Africa is the Ethiopian Empire, from a TL where there's no Islam, and the Axumites can conquer the entire Horn of Africa and beyond.
The brown nation is Vedic India, that doesn't fall, but gets stronger and stronger, conquering the lands around it (like OTL China), becoming the place where a superpower exists in this alternate 2007.
The yellow is China (obviously), from a TL where Zheng He discovers America, and China colonize it, like Portugal, Spain and etc., becoming very powerful.
And the dark blue nation is the only representative from OTL, the USA, the only superpower today, having to face Vikings in the northeast, strong latins in south, and a dangerous soviet Canada in north.
(OBS: Some countries have their lands replaced by other nations, like part of american Alaska, replaced by soviet.
Let the games begin! :D

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e34/lucaspaes/mappo1.png

[Glen]

WI in 1939, all of the French Empire disappeared....

[Wendell]

WI in 1939, all of the French Empire disappeared....

This will surely make some countries more wealthy in places. That said, the Axis may have just won the war:(

[Sovereign12]

No invasion of France. Soviets get the full German army barreling into them.
The Italians lose the land they occupy in Africa, since the British don't need Gibraltor any more to get to their possessions. The RN has more German and Italian coastline to bomb, plus carriers can launch planes into Germany and Italy from the new Sea of France.

[Glen]

This will surely make some countries more wealthy in places. That said, the Axis may have just won the war:(

No invasion of France. Soviets get the full German army barreling into them.
The Italians lose the land they occupy in Africa, since the British don't need Gibraltor any more to get to their possessions. The RN has more German and Italian coastline to bomb, plus carriers can launch planes into Germany and Italy from the new Sea of France.

Its intriguing. The Invasion of Poland I would expect to go forward, as well as the divvying of the spoils by Germany and the USSR. With the loss of their major ally in Europe, does Chamberlain's UK still declare war against the Germans? Probably. But then what will the theatre be? Norway perhaps becomes a bigger battlefield. The Lowland nations will even more strongly try and stay neutral, and with no necessity to invade France now, Hitler might just let them, though he might pressure Luxembourg to join the Reich, I suppose.

Big difference here will be no Dunkirk, so we have more of the British heavy equipment being present early on in the war. Wonder how that effects things as they are deployed to other theaters.

Hitler still needs lebensraum, and so we see an invasion of the USSR, but maybe earlier given the lack of a threat in France.

Mussolini will probably still want his Mediterranean Empire, giving us a distraction in the Balkans.

Not certain I get why the Italians lose their African colonies from this. More likely North Africa still plays out similarly to OTL.

Japan will probably still bomb Pearl, and the US gets involved accordingly.

Overall, we see an advancement of the WWII timeline with the absence of France, more resources in German hands, but also more at least early on in British hands. Big difference here is that it is unlikely that we would see a Battle of Britain or much in the way of German attacks on the Home Isles given the lack of airfields in still neutral Benelux and now absent France. Maybe later in the war as planes gain more range?

[Glen]

Will the UK eventually give Gibralter back to Spain given the lessening of its strategic importance?

[fortyseven]

nice Dune city map Glen. Good maps Leap and seleucus

[Sovereign12]

Not certain I get why the Italians lose their African colonies from this. More likely North Africa still plays out similarly to OTL.

I figure with shorter shipping lanes to their African possessions, the UK willhave more supplies and get them there quicker. Also Italy really only had to use its navy in the Mediterranean in OTL. As your map has it here the Mediterranean is now basically part of the Atlantic. Because of their north African possession the Italian navy is still primarily stuck in a convoy protection mode as in OTL. The British can afford to build a new harbor somewhere on the new coastlines of their African possessions if they need to, while still destroying Italian ships and shipping.

The British army also has a new area to invade from at the border of Libya and Anglo-Egyptian Sudan, besides from Egypt and a possible sea inavsion near Tripoli.

I don't think it will be easy for the RN, but I think they have the advantage over Italy in this scenario.

Of course, this would only be if Italy joins with Germany in a war in this TL.

Another thing I like about this map is that Belgium potentially has greater access to their Africa possession. What kind of power could they become in the following years? Or does the congo become a new power in itself?

[Glen]

I figure with shorter shipping lanes to their African possessions, the UK willhave more supplies and get them there quicker. Also Italy really only had to use its navy in the Mediterranean in OTL. As your map has it here the Mediterranean is now basically part of the Atlantic. Because of their north African possession the Italian navy is still primarily stuck in a convoy protection mode as in OTL. The British can afford to build a new harbor somewhere on the new coastlines of their African possessions if they need to, while still destroying Italian ships and shipping.

The British army also has a new area to invade from at the border of Libya and Anglo-Egyptian Sudan, besides from Egypt and a possible sea inavsion near Tripoli.

I don't think it will be easy for the RN, but I think they have the advantage over Italy in this scenario.

Of course, this would only be if Italy joins with Germany in a war in this TL.


Good points. I think Italy will....Mussolini basically became Hitler's lapdog (a naughty one who made messes everywhere, but still...).


Another thing I like about this map is that Belgium potentially has greater access to their Africa possession. What kind of power could they become in the following years? Or does the congo become a new power in itself?

Interesting thought. Don't know that it would make a terrible amount of difference, however.

[Glen]

1970s containment run amok?

[Agentdark]

interesting........no enemies for democracy anymore

[Glen]

interesting........no enemies for democracy anymore

Well, certainly no communist state enemies....

[Nekromans]

1970s containment run amok?

"Visit the sunny beaches of Berlin! :D

[Alayta]

So, here it is:

Every country here is its world greatest superpower in 2007, the ASBs make them having to share the world with themselves,
The red is USSR, in its world has made the balcanic states soviet republics, and then won the cold war.
The light green is the Roman Empire, surviving 'till today with colonies all around the world.
The purple is Gran Colombia, thanks to the efforts of Bolivar becoming a united latin america republic, and therefore the world greatest superpower.
The white is Viking Empire, which in its TL has conquered Vinland and beyond.
The orange is Dutch Empire, from a TL where the GWC has more power than any country, including Netherlands by itself.
The blue is Berberic Monarchy, from a TL where the ASBs made a giant freshwater lake in the Sahara and the Berbers made a civilization in there.
The lightiest blue is Mongol Empire, which extention goes much further, 'till the Atlantic, and no one can fight against them.
The grey is Nazi Germany, from a TL where they won WW2, and made all Europe their satellites and puppets, conquering a lot of colonies (yes, they have a small area in Africa, and all Antarctica).
The "hard pink" is Persian Empire, their TL Greece is all conquered, and the Empire lasts 'till today.
The heavy green is the Caliphate, powerful as ever, with all Europe dead from the dark plague (like YRS).
That "light purple" country in Egypt, is Pharaonic Egypt itself, from a TL where there's no western civilization, where Minoic Crete destroyed Greece.
The pink country in South Africa is an Afrikaner Empire, where, supported by Great Britain, they conquered everything 'till River Congo.
The country with the color between green and grey is the Mali Kingdom, a muslim nation, that survived and made agreements with the west, becoming later a superpower.
The country in the opposite side of Africa is the Ethiopian Empire, from a TL where there's no Islam, and the Axumites can conquer the entire Horn of Africa and beyond.
The brown nation is Vedic India, that doesn't fall, but gets stronger and stronger, conquering the lands around it (like OTL China), becoming the place where a superpower exists in this alternate 2007.
The yellow is China (obviously), from a TL where Zheng He discovers America, and China colonize it, like Portugal, Spain and etc., becoming very powerful.
And the dark blue nation is the only representative from OTL, the USA, the only superpower today, having to face Vikings in the northeast, strong latins in south, and a dangerous soviet Canada in north.
(OBS: Some countries have their lands replaced by other nations, like part of american Alaska, replaced by soviet.
Let the games begin! :D

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e34/lucaspaes/mappo1.png

Very good!!! I would never have expected that so many superpowers could fit in one globe!!!!
kaliphate, ussr and the mongols in one go!!! really impressive, I would like to read a book about it!

[Glen]

"Visit the sunny beaches of Berlin! :D

Well, wouldn't call it exactly sunny, but yes, WEST Berlin is an island now.:)

[J_Britt_RSA]

1970s containment run amok?

Yikes. No Cuba. One of Cuba's better attributes is that it serves well as a speed bump for hurricanes in the Gulf. So Florida's gonna get pwned by hurricanes worse on this world.

[Glen]

Yikes. No Cuba. One of Cuba's better attributes is that it serves well as a speed bump for hurricanes in the Gulf. So Florida's gonna get pwned by hurricanes worse on this world.

I agree. Good point, that.

[euio]

Ring earth.

[fortyseven]

Ring earth.

Nice map euio.

[Wendell]

I'm glad this was bumped.

[Glen]

A map based off of Wendell's in one of the other threads.

I kinda like the landforms we get here.

[Thande]

Here's Glen's map without the OTL overlay and with distinct borders on the land masses:

[Glen]

Another variant on the map

[Emperor Qianlong]

Here's another map, it's essentially a cliche FH map, but I decided it was indeed too ASB to be posted under FH, so I posted it here. You can still consider it a twisted type of future history (the year is 2097), just things got really ASB...

Here's a short description of what is what:

In the Americas:
- Holy Latin Empire (big state covering Latin America)
- Reformed Confederate States (SE-United States)
- Christian States of America (Continental US)
- Republic of Cascadia (Pacific Northwest)
- Inuit Nation (northern Canada and Greenland)
- Republique du Quebec
- Canadian People's Republic (rest of Canada & US)
- Russo-American Alliance (Alaska, plus Kamchatka in Asia - this one's inspired by GITS)

- The big green area covering Western Europe, Northern Africa and Arabia is the Islamic Caliphate (of course).
- The large dark brown area covering the rest of Europe and much of Asia is the Turkish Reich.
- pink is the Indian Empire, ruled by a clone of Emperor Ashoka
- bright big red is the rump of the People's Republic of China
- dark green in South East Asia and Oceania is the Indonesian Islamic Empire
- lastly, the big spot covering the remainder of Africa are the so-called "tribal lands", where no state exists anymore, only warring tribes, death and diseases... (and cannibalism, of course! :D )

[fortyseven]

Nice alternate landmass map, nice map Emperor

[euio]

A map with all the AH cliches in the AH cliches memes thread.

[Glen]

A map with all the AH cliches in the AH cliches memes thread.

Forgot the 'Switzerland always remains independent no matter what' cliche.

[Thande]

Forgot the 'Switzerland always remains independent no matter what' cliche.

That one hasn't yet been done in the meme thread.

Nice work, euio :D

[Nekromans]

...India. India! Wherefore art thou, India?

How are we supposed to brutally oppress them if half the country disappears?

[Thande]

...India. India! Wherefore art thou, India?

How are we supposed to brutally oppress them if half the country disappears?

I think that was his interpretation of Flocc's "India Never Appears in ATLs" rant. In this case, literally :D

[Emperor Qianlong]

I think that was his interpretation of Flocc's "India Never Appears in ATLs" rant. In this case, literally :D

Uh oh, I just realized my map I made earlier was not so cliche at all... :D :rolleyes:

[Thande]

Uh oh, I just realized my map I made earlier was not so cliche at all... :D :rolleyes:

No, that's OK; Flocc's rant goes on to say that when India does appear, it's always as some vaguely united empire with no backstory :D You did lose cliche points for actually naming Asoka though :D

[euio]

Forgot the 'Switzerland always remains independent no matter what' cliche.
The Swiss are in exile in Swiss Congo.

[fortyseven]

I think that was his interpretation of Flocc's "India Never Appears in ATLs" rant. In this case, literally :D

Ya it's clever :D

[Walker]

A map based off of Walker's in one of the other threads.

I kinda like the landforms we get here.

;) :D

Actually I don't like that map all that much, I want to change it (but I have too much other stuff to do!). The contenental shelves are not the lighter blue colour, and the depth of it is not consistant. Seeing the mid-atlantic ridge in that map annoys me everytime I see it!

[Walker]

Something I made ages ago (like before I had heard of AH). It's complete ASB stuff, but the parameters that I set myself was to try and create the most biologically diverse Earth possible. Basiclly the fauna and flora of this planet includes a vast array of extinct spec