Aliens Take on Napoleon

[Dynamitard]

Just a thought I had that sort of developed. What if right after the Battle of Waterloo, while the world was still recuperating and new alliances were being formed in the Congress of Vienna in 1815 when suddenly....a massive alien invasion hits the world. (To give humans a chance, lets make thse aliens the hive-mind insect starship troopers tyranids zerg type aliens, rather than the technology heavy ETs)
The invaders are nicknamed 'Demons' and the humans do their best to defeat the alien swarms. The Duke of Wellington is humanity's main general at first, but he looses and soon Napoleon is taken from his island prison at Saint Helena and put in control of the armies of man.
Soon, the Concert of Europe has been formed into the Concernt of Humanity. In Europe Napoleon's men have battled the Demons to a standstill, in the North American frontier, George Washington signs peace treaties with the Native Americans to have a united front, and more crazieness happens the world around.

What do you think?

[Evil Opus]

Interesting. But George Washington was dead in 1815, and I think that any stongly united army could have conquered much of the world in 1815(especially if it was from Europe).

[Dynamitard]

Interesting. But George Washington was dead in 1815, and I think that any stongly united army could have conquered much of the world in 1815(especially if it was from Europe).

Oh, whoops. Didn't know that. You seriously don't think humanity would stand a chance? Even with Napoleon leading the Concernt of Humanity? You have a strong lack of faith.

[Thande]

This idea has been explored before. Basically the problem is having aliens which are not so advanced as they completely walk over humanity, but advanced enough that they can build spaceships to get to Earth in the first place.

Fifty years ahead of humans, technologically, is a good rule of thumb. A small number of aliens, say 1-10% of the human population, with that technology vs. the much larger but less advanced human population.

The numbers meet for Turtledove's Worldwar books in World War 2, in which the 1990s era technology Race face off the 1940s technology humans.

However, any earlier than that and you have to explain how the aliens got to Earth in the first place.

GBW, I think it was, came up with an alternative idea which you might like to try. Instead of aliens, if it's a time period like 1815 or 1860, have the invaders be a race of 'Atlanteans' who have just awoken on e.g. Antarctica from their sleep - they dominated the ancient world before they became dormant, and were responsible for mythology etc. The Atlanteans are 50 years more advanced than the humans, e.g. in your scenario where it's 1815, they have 1866 technology - American Civil War level. But there are fewer of them than there are humans, so the war could go either way. Which keeps things interesting.

[Dynamitard]

This idea has been explored before. Basically the problem is having aliens which are not so advanced as they completely walk over humanity, but advanced enough that they can build spaceships to get to Earth in the first place.

Fifty years ahead of humans, technologically, is a good rule of thumb. A small number of aliens, say 1-10% of the human population, with that technology vs. the much larger but less advanced human population.

The numbers meet for Turtledove's Worldwar books in World War 2, in which the 1990s era technology Race face off the 1940s technology humans.

However, any earlier than that and you have to explain how the aliens got to Earth in the first place.

GBW, I think it was, came up with an alternative idea which you might like to try. Instead of aliens, if it's a time period like 1815 or 1860, have the invaders be a race of 'Atlanteans' who have just awoken on e.g. Antarctica from their sleep - they dominated the ancient world before they became dormant, and were responsible for mythology etc. The Atlanteans are 50 years more advanced than the humans, e.g. in your scenario where it's 1815, they have 1866 technology - American Civil War level. But there are fewer of them than there are humans, so the war could go either way. Which keeps things interesting.


I don't think you're clear on what kind of aliens I would like to see battling it out with the horses and muskets. I suppose I didn't make it very clear.

These are the zerg/tyranid/bugs from starship troopers type of aliens. They have a hive-mind a very little individual intelligence. They came to earth in a rain of spores and grew out of the ground, like demons, thats why the nickname. They are fairly evolutionarily developed, with high metabolisms, razor sharp claws, spitting acid, and other type things. But muskets and sword can still kill them, especially when a whole bunch of mukset shot and cannons are fired at once.
Is that a little more clear?

[NapoleonXIV]

I want Washington, dammit, its simple enough to have him send a slave to ride the boundaries that winter day. In 1815 he'd be...83... :mad: damn.

Damn,:mad: damn,:mad: damn.:mad: I wanted him, Bones and Old Hickory all together. Now theres a staff for you.

Really good idea though. However, it will be difficult to see how a spacefaring race doesn't make quick work of single shot musket armies.

Maybe they have a sense of honor, which dictates they can't take that much advantage. Maybe there's not than many of them, and their weapons, while advanced, are clumsy or they have ammo problems being so far from home and a specific mineral they need. Maybe Earth has a natural dampening field which limits their weapon's effectiveness

[NapoleonXIV]

I don't think you're clear on what kind of aliens I would like to see battling it out with the horses and muskets. I suppose I didn't make it very clear.

These are the zerg/tyranid/bugs from starship troopers type of aliens. They have a hive-mind a very little individual intelligence. They came to earth in a rain of spores and grew out of the ground, like demons, thats why the nickname. They are fairly evolutionarily developed, with high metabolisms, razor sharp claws, spitting acid, and other type things. But muskets and sword can still kill them, especially when a whole bunch of mukset shot and cannons are fired at once.
Is that a little more clear?

Or maybe they're these Zerg/tyranids, that would work. (didn't see that, crossposted):o :p

But I dunno. Part of the interest of Worldwars is the two close techs battleing each other. The zergs are just so inhuman that that part is really not there.

[Dynamitard]

Or maybe they're these Zerg/tyranids, that would work. (didn't see that, crossposted):o :p

But I dunno. Part of the interest of Worldwars is the two close techs battleing each other. The zergs are just so inhuman that that part is really not there.

Now here's the bit I didn't mention in the first post that I think will make things a little more interesting.

The Concernt of Humanities prevail and aleins are beaten back circa 1820. Then, there's a period of build-up while both sides revise their stratergy based on the enemy's. The humans become more communal, blossoming under the theories of Karl Marx. The Demons become more individual and intelligent, loosing elements of their hive mind. The second war is in the 1840s, and the communal humans and indivudalist aleins battle it out. Not sure how that will turn out, but by 1900, the humans and aleins have almost completely changed places, with humans living in hive cities and being communal, and the aleins being intelligent and individual.

I'm very glad you guys like my idea, and thank you for the comments!

[Dynamitard]

I want Washington, dammit, its simple enough to have him send a slave to ride the boundaries that winter day. In 1815 he'd be...83... :mad: damn.

Damn,:mad: damn,:mad: damn.:mad: I wanted him, Bones and Old Hickory all together. Now theres a staff for you.

Really good idea though. However, it will be difficult to see how a spacefaring race doesn't make quick work of single shot musket armies.

Maybe they have a sense of honor, which dictates they can't take that much advantage. Maybe there's not than many of them, and their weapons, while advanced, are clumsy or they have ammo problems being so far from home and a specific mineral they need. Maybe Earth has a natural dampening field which limits their weapon's effectiveness

Okay, Washington might have survived. Maybe when the spores came down, he decided to stay in and watch them. He'd probably take a more advisory role in this war though.

Like I mentioned later, the aleins are swarming insects, not technology-type grays.

[Dynamitard]

I want Washington, dammit, its simple enough to have him send a slave to ride the boundaries that winter day. In 1815 he'd be...83... :mad: damn.

Damn,:mad: damn,:mad: damn.:mad: I wanted him, Bones and Old Hickory all together. Now theres a staff for you.

Really good idea though. However, it will be difficult to see how a spacefaring race doesn't make quick work of single shot musket armies.

Maybe they have a sense of honor, which dictates they can't take that much advantage. Maybe there's not than many of them, and their weapons, while advanced, are clumsy or they have ammo problems being so far from home and a specific mineral they need. Maybe Earth has a natural dampening field which limits their weapon's effectiveness

Okay, Washington might have survived. Maybe when the spores came down, he decided to stay in and watch them. He'd probably take a more advisory role in this war though.

Like I mentioned later, the aleins are swarming insects, not technology-type grays.

[Dynamitard]

I want Washington, dammit, its simple enough to have him send a slave to ride the boundaries that winter day. In 1815 he'd be...83... :mad: damn.

Damn,:mad: damn,:mad: damn.:mad: I wanted him, Bones and Old Hickory all together. Now theres a staff for you.

Really good idea though. However, it will be difficult to see how a spacefaring race doesn't make quick work of single shot musket armies.

Maybe they have a sense of honor, which dictates they can't take that much advantage. Maybe there's not than many of them, and their weapons, while advanced, are clumsy or they have ammo problems being so far from home and a specific mineral they need. Maybe Earth has a natural dampening field which limits their weapon's effectiveness

Okay, Washington might have survived. Maybe when the spores came down, he decided to stay in and watch them. He'd probably take a more advisory role in this war though.

Like I mentioned later, the aleins are swarming insects, not technology-type grays.

[Alois]

advanced enough that they can build spaceships to get to Earth in the first place.Spaceships? We don't need no stinkin' spaceships!

Two stories by H. P. Lovecraft:
The Whisperer in Darkness
The aliens have wings, don't need to breathe, and can fly through space. They have had a mining colony in the northeastern U.S. since before the Europeans came, and human visitors to the area tend to vanish without a trace.
How the war begins: What if there was an official government investigation, threatening to openly reveal their existence?

The Shadow Over Innsmouth
An intelligent amphibious species evolves in the ocean. They are hot to conquer us.
How the war begins: What if the Navy's attack in 1927-28 was met with strong resistance?

Also, D+D spells are low powered. They can teleport small groups to another planet but an entire army cannot all come at once.

[Dynamitard]

Spaceships? We don't need no stinkin' spaceships!

Two stories by H. P. Lovecraft:
The Whisperer in Darkness
The aliens have wings, don't need to breathe, and can fly through space. They have had a mining colony in the northeastern U.S. since before the Europeans came, and human visitors to the area tend to vanish without a trace.
How the war begins: What if there was an official government investigation, threatening to openly reveal their existence?

The Shadow Over Innsmouth
An intelligent amphibious species evolves in the ocean. They are hot to conquer us.
How the war begins: What if the Navy's attack in 1927-28 was met with strong resistance?

Also, D+D spells are low powered. They can teleport small groups to another planet but an entire army cannot all come at once.

I'm a huge fan of Lovecraft (I even own four of the stuffed animals!) and I like the idea of a Cthulhu-style invasion. But I'm not sure if that's what I want for this one. Read my post about the transformation of the humans and aliens and see what I had in mind. Great idea though.