ASB Challenge: A Mosaic Dystopia

[Thande]

Assume you can ISOT any area of any Earth from any timeline that you want onto a single Mosaic Earth.

What's the worst possible combination of dystopias you can come up with?

Here's a start:

[Flocculencio]

Spanish India :eek:

You do realise that now I'll have to invest in a train ticket to Doncaster to give you a good ticking off.

[Romulus Augustulus]

How's about Norsefire Britain?

[black angel]

damn you i was just (e.i. for like three days) think of doing some thing like this

[luakel]

In such a world, Japan might actually end up being the best place to live... :eek:

But aren't there any other countries in Europe that could be added to the mix?

[Imajin]

What about this?

[Darkest]

That map is completely ridiculous imajin. Come on! Draka is MUCH worse than the Caliphate. Oceania shouldn't be given so much, either.

[Imajin]

Alright, what about this? The ATL DoD USA is from an ATL Kaiser Wilhelm III hinted at in a Map Challenge, where the USA loses the North American War but then does even better in a War of Vengeance afterwards... I need something for India though.

[Thande]

That map is completely ridiculous imajin. Come on! Draka is MUCH worse than the Caliphate. Oceania shouldn't be given so much, either.
I think Imajin has combined the non-core areas of different dystopias, because e.g. Draka-occupied Europe will have nastier conditions than the African core of the Draka; whereas to Oceania, the African possessions are peripheral and contested, so conditions there are probably worse than in Draka Africa (maybe).

Does that make sense?

As for the Bin Laden Caliphate, how can you say it's better or worse than anything, because we don't know what it would be like in reality?

[Diamond]

How's this for the Ultimate Dystopia World?

The Americas
United Socialist States of America: A poor and paranoid communist state resulting from a revolution in the 1920s. Current year: 1960
Quetzal Empire: A surviving Aztec Empire, bloody human sacrificing intact. Current year: 1922
Papal Dominion of Nuevo Leon: From a world where the Reformation is crushed, and the RCC unites Italy and Spain, then proceeds to colonize the New World. Current year: 1985
Union of Hispaniola: A consortium of small states, founded by pirates, now controlled by ruthless corporations. Current year: 2012
Former Empire of Brazil: Once a superpower, now a collection of petty states ruled by warlords, rogue generals, and local chieftains. The whole region is devastated by nuclear fallout and rampant plagues. Most of the Amazon is gone, and the Amazon river system runs through lands deforested and dead, great stretches of mudflats and plague-infested swamps. Current year: 2020
Peronist Argentina: Self-explanatory. Current year: 1990
__________

Europe
Commonwealth of Britain: A ruthlessly puritanical nation, descended from a surviving Cromwellian victory. Current year: 2006
Nazi Germany: Self-explanatory. Current year: 1962
Holy Russian Republic: Communism attained a decidedly mystic bent in this world, and Rasputin, not Lenin, instigated the Revolution of 1917. Current year: 1945
Holy Spanish Union: From a world where the Pope fled to Barcelona after Mehmet the Conqueror successfully invaded Italy. The office of Pope eventually fell into disuse, and Spain is now run by a cabal of ruthless priests – The College. Current year: 1880
Holy See: From the same world as Nuevo Leon. Current year: 1820
Khanate of Magyaria: When the Magyars invaded, they brought with them a plague which devastated most of Europe, but which they, ironically, were spared the brunt of. Current year: 1700
Avaria: A fanatical society of Zoroastrian Avars (from my Southern Roman Empire TL). Current year: 1650
Wallachia: Vlad the Impaler and his sons throw out the Turks and establish a long-lasting kingdom with eventual dynastic ties to Russia and Poland. Probably one of the more pleasant places to live in this mosaic world. Current year: 1885
Caliphate of Turkey: A hardline Islamic sect takes control of Turkey after the Ottoman Empire falls apart following World War One. Think an even scarier version of Iran. Current year: 1995
__________

Africa/Middle East
French Algeria: In this world, France held off Hitler’s invasion and came through a shortened World War Two tired and hurt, but fairly unscathed, all things considered. Now, sixty years later, they’re bitterly holding onto their colonies. Algeria is a place of repression and genocide, where French police and special forces rule with an iron fist. Current year: 2002
Federal Republic of Egypt: Here, Egypt industrialized under Mehmet Ali in the 1860s and gained superpower status. Unfortunately, they also gained a fascist government in the 1920s. Current year: 1970
Assyrian Empire: Not the original, but the latest in a long line of reincarnated Assyrian domains. A vicious place where slavery is common and widespread, and technology has advanced at barely a crawl. Current year: 1575
Union of South Africa: Apartheid continues and race wars are ripping apart this nuclear power South Africa. Current year: 2000
__________

Asia and Oceania
Soviet Union: From a world where a limited nuclear exchange in 1984 reduced both the US and USSR (along with much of Europe) to ruins, from which Russia is just now beginning to recover, under an even more brutal and repressive communist regime. Current year: 2010
Timurid Caliphate: In this world, Tamerlane conquered much of Russia in conjunction with the Ottomans, and never seriously considered invading China. A smoother dynastic succession has allowed the nation to survive, albeit in a decayed and corrupt fashion, well past the time it should have died. Current year: 1770
Republic of India: A fascist dictatorship ruled by S.C. Bose, with plenty of German ‘advisory’ help. Current year: 1970
Japanese Empire: Japan never attacks Pearl Harbor; instead she bides her time until a more successful Operation Barbarossa severely weakens the USSR and gives Japan an opportunity to invade from Manchuria. Current year: 1948
People’s Republic of China: Maoist China after a territorial war with the USSR in the 50s. Current year: 1972
Luang Chinese Empire: From a widely divergent timeline where the Mongols never invaded China. The current ruling Chinese dynasty uses genetic experimentation, death camps, slave labor, and engineered plagues to take out their enemies and weed out ‘undesirables’. Current year: 1950
American Philippines: Aguinaldo’s guerilla attacks in the Philippines stymied William Taft’s efforts at suppression, leading to a decades-long guerrilla war which saw the US military occupational government grow more and more iron-fisted. Current year: 1960
Caliphate of Indonesia: Islamic rebels overthrow the government in the 1980s, establishing a repressive regime in the worst tradition of Iran and other hardline Muslim nations. Current year: 2000
Vietnam: Saigon does not fall and the US doesn’t pull out in 1975, dragging the war out another decade. By now, the place is a running sore for the US, and they are probably only months away from open war with China after repeated conflicts in the South China Sea. Current year: 1985
Post-Apocalypse Australia: A completely devastated and desert-ified wasteland a la the Mad Max movies. Current year: 2030
Aotearoa: The Maoris throw out white settlers with the help of an expansionist Mogul Empire. They reject Islam, however, and end up setting up a paranoid and xenophobic police state. Current year: 1910

I left central Africa as OTL, because let’s face it, it’s already not a very nice place to live. The western parts of South America are OTL because I ran out of ideas.

[Adam]

You know Diamond, I can see a 'Last War' happening after those dystopias are ISOTed into your world. What about stuff from Washington's Warlocks eh?:p

[Max Sinister]

1. What about Brave New World? Although most of its people are quite happy, actually.
2. DoD USA don't own Canada (well, not yet. And except OTL British Columbia, that is.)
3. Peron Argentine? He was responsible for Argentine falling back, but even so, many Third World countries are worse off than Argentine. Incompetent government yes, dystopia no.

[Nekromans]

Brave New World is happy because they're drugged up. The two main characters who stay off the rugs are really miserbale, and one ends up committing suicide.

[Syphon]

Imajin,

oceania is way too big unless you explane how it came about.

In my Aurora Australis TL Australia got hold of a lot of the islands in the pacific and indian oceans and that was only due to wars being fought by major powers weaking their hold on the island enabling thr realpolitic Australians to take over.

For Oceania to take over Southern Africa which by the way has most of the wealth and South America would require armies in the hundreds of millions or the use of a hell of a lot of nukes.
It's not possible unless our old friends the ASB's got rid of the local populations .

[Dr. Strangelove]

The most dystopian possible world for me (too lazy to make a map) should include an Asia split between Pol Pot's Cambodia, the Mongolian Empire and North Korea.

I'd put the Assyrians with 1984-like tech in the Middle East (far nastier than anything OBL can achieve); the Nazis from Shattered World in Europe, and a Soylent-Green America.

[Max Sinister]

@Syphon: In the book, Oceania is about that big (ok, Indonesia is contested between Oceania and Eastasia, but otherwise it's the same).

[Tom Veil]

How's this for the Ultimate Dystopia World?
...I left central Africa as OTL, because let’s face it, it’s already not a very nice place to live. The western parts of South America are OTL because I ran out of ideas.

Excellent ME. I agree with you about Central Africa. How about this for the leftover part of South America: "Paranoid Inca", an Inca "empire" that has been locked in a desperate 500-year war with colonists. Ever since their first contact with Europeans ended in near-disaster, their borders have been sealed and the nation has grown increasingly Spartan to the point where the very culture that they were trying to protect has been destroyed. Still, the natural defenses of the jungles and mountains, combined with both-gender conscription from childhood on, has allowed them to fight off all enemies, real and imagined.

[Kabraloth]

If you want to be really evil, add some parts of NOD-controlled territory from the Command & Conquer games into Central Africa. Of course, after the event, the Tiberium spreads and begins to terraform the world into a toxic wasteland.
You can't get more dystopic than that, I think.

[Othniel]

Assyrian Empire: Not the original, but the latest in a long line of reincarnated Assyrian domains. A vicious place where slavery is common and widespread, and technology has advanced at barely a crawl. Current year: 1575
Union of South Africa: Apartheid continues and race wars are ripping apart this nuclear power South Africa. Current year: 2000

Not the Assyria of Alterverse?:(

Evil Caste system, forced homogenuity, enslavement, and euphenisations of the weak...

[Diamond]

Not the Assyria of Alterverse?:(

Evil Caste system, forced homogenuity, enslavement, and euphenisations of the weak...
Probably similar to it...

[Othniel]

Probably similar to it...
The ultimate enemy...slaughter the Draka and take their childern, their serfs...everything...

[Count Dearborn]

Bring the the USA of Tracey Hickman's The Immortals. A contested president placing the sufferers of the cure for AIDS into internment camps, along with all of the undesirables of society.

[Thande]

Not the Assyria of Alterverse?:(

Evil Caste system, forced homogenuity, enslavement, and euphenisations of the weak...

I know you meant euthanisations, but I read that as 'euphemisms of the weak'... :D

Assyrian: You! You...less capable individual! You differently strong citizen!

[Diamond]

I know you meant euthanisations, but I read that as 'euphemisms of the weak'... :D

Assyrian: You! You...less capable individual! You differently strong citizen!
:D :D ...............

[black angel]

*bump* :D you guys got any more idea?