Best President of the 21st Century

[Stalin]

Posted on AlternateHistory V.320, 2093 AD:

Well, I personally think the best presidents of the 21st century were Bush Jr. (2001-2009), Rice (2009-2017), Al-Jahar (2017-2025), and Diffin (2033-2050). Droms (2050-2058), McCelis (2060-2069) , and Juavez (2072-2080) were pretty good too. Who can forget the first Black, Arabic, and Hispanic presidents though? And let's not forget vice-president Johns (2017-2025) whose Liberalism made him loved by some and hated by others.

[RMG]

Well, even though she was really Prime Minister of Canada, I'll always think of Karen Marie Arouet (2080-2088), head of the United Nations Occupation Government, as being a president in spirit if not in name during the time she governed our great country.

[David S Poepoe]

Are you sure about President Diffin? Most historians consider him to have been a mad man. One shudders to think what state the nation would have been in if he hadn't fortunately been assassinated. I know of several schools that still to this day observe the day of his assassinated with plays praising the brave freedom fighters that sacrificed their lives. One must truthfully admit that the suspension of the Constitution and his establishment of Martial Law, under the auspices of FEMA, was detrimental to our national image. His renaming the days of the week and the months of the year after himself and his immediate family members certainly pegs him to have been a crackpot.

[David Howery]

...and then there was President Howery, whose illustrious policies led to the absorbtion of the entire world under the benevolent and glorious aegis of the United States. One world, one government, one nation. All wise and forward thinking persons became citizens of the new US of Earth, and the inspired 2-party system so beloved by the original Americans replaced all the lesser political systems inflicted on other nations. The entire population of the world was so gratified by Howery's magnificent policies that they elected him president for life, an offer he accepted with much humility until the end of his 30 year term.
In a footnote, Howery's term in office was also notable for the near disappearance of unemployment, and, by coincidence, a massive increase in salt production. This vital resource became available to the entire population of the world for mere pennies per ton....

[Zach Rosen]

I love how you make yourself president for 17 years.

[Stalin]

I love how you make yourself president for 17 years.

Yes, I'm very modest that way. :)

Keep in mind that the first name isn't specified... Who says it's necessarily me?

[Stalin]

Are you sure about President Diffin? Most historians consider him to have been a mad man. One shudders to think what state the nation would have been in if he hadn't fortunately been assassinated. I know of several schools that still to this day observe the day of his assassinated with plays praising the brave freedom fighters that sacrificed their lives. One must truthfully admit that the suspension of the Constitution and his establishment of Martial Law, under the auspices of FEMA, was detrimental to our national image. His renaming the days of the week and the months of the year after himself and his immediate family members certainly pegs him to have been a crackpot.

Assassinated? Oh, you're talking about Diffin III (2085-2093). You're off a few decades there.

[Straha]

Who can forget President Eldridge whose policies against fascism destroyed the republican party,the RRP party,the KKK and other fascistic factions. If it wasn't for him Peter Diffin might not have been executed for treason and gotten into the white house!

[DominusNovus]

Who can forget President Eldridge whose policies against fascism destroyed the republican party,the RRP party,the KKK and other fascistic factions. If it wasn't for him Peter Diffin might not have been executed for treason and gotten into the white house!
I resent the republican party being called fascist. I never got that anyway. How can a party who generally campaigns for smaller government and lower taxes be called fascist?

[Straha]

because after 2020 the lower taxes and smaller governemnt part of the republicans defected to the libertarians leaving the part thats more fascistic

[Grey Wolf]

"Al-Jahar (2017-2025),"
Is this a real chap whom you have projected forward to be president ?

I also notice you have President Diffin (whether yourself or another) repeal the amendment to the Constitution that limits terms to two ?

How about Chelsea Clinton for President ? It makes a kind of sense, with political dynasties seemingly becoming the vogue

Grey Wolf

[Stalin]

Who can forget President Eldridge whose policies against fascism destroyed the republican party,the RRP party,the KKK and other fascistic factions. If it wasn't for him Peter Diffin might not have been executed for treason and gotten into the white house!

What are you talking about? Diffin still got elected! Eldrige only became vice-president. Interestingly enough, another man by the name of "Peter Diffin" (really Sergi Calnof) was executed in 2024, but he was by an large an imposter, hired by some Russian Ultra-orthodox terrorists. Diffin did have some problems though as a result, and the incident nearly led to his imprisonment. Makes you wonder how different the world might have been had he been sent to jail...

[Stalin]

"Al-Jahar (2017-2025),"

I also notice you have President Diffin (whether yourself or another) repeal the amendment to the Constitution that limits terms to two ?

Grey Wolf

Actually, that's not the case. Diffin wasn't elected all those times. If you look closely, it says he ended his presidency on 2050. Most likely it was due to Martial Law, or some amendment extending terms to many more years due to a national emergency. As for Al-Jahar: I had an arab friend with a similar last name (Jahar). I just came up with a fictional version of him, and projected him to the presidency.

[Grey Wolf]

Actually, that's not the case. Diffin wasn't elected all those times. If you look closely, it says he ended his presidency on 2050. Most likely it was due to Martial Law, or some amendment extending terms to many more years due to a national emergency. As for Al-Jahar: I had an arab friend with a similar friend. I just came up with a fictional version of him, and projected him to the presidency.

Actually if you look at the history of amendments to the Constitution you cannot change something without repealing the law that made it so in the first place - in this case it would have to refer to the 22nd Amendment and repeal it in order to institute something new

Grey Wolf

[Stalin]

Actually if you look at the history of amendments to the Constitution you cannot change something without repealing the law that made it so in the first place - in this case it would have to refer to the 22nd Amendment and repeal it in order to institute something new

Grey Wolf

The 22nd amendment only limited the amount of terms though, it didn't alter the number of years in a term. So I don't see how you would have to repeal it.

[DominusNovus]

because after 2020 the lower taxes and smaller governemnt part of the republicans defected to the libertarians leaving the part thats more fascistic
Ok, I'll buy it.

[Landshark]

How about Chelsea Clinton for President ? It makes a kind of sense, with political dynasties seemingly becoming the vogue

Grey Wolf

What about Bush's twin daughters as president and vice-president?

[Leej]

...and then there was President Howery, whose illustrious policies led to the absorbtion of the entire world under the benevolent and glorious aegis of the United States. One world, one government, one nation. All wise and forward thinking persons became citizens of the new US of Earth, and the inspired 2-party system so beloved by the original Americans replaced all the lesser political systems inflicted on other nations. The entire population of the world was so gratified by Howery's magnificent policies that they elected him president for life, an offer he accepted with much humility until the end of his 30 year term.
In a footnote, Howery's term in office was also notable for the near disappearance of unemployment, and, by coincidence, a massive increase in salt production. This vital resource became available to the entire population of the world for mere pennies per ton....

Heh I did about that man back in school for my exam coursework, you've got your wires crossed a wee bit with him. He was the madman who launched all those campaigns in the middle east. He was removed of course (wasn't his helicopter shot down by a orbital strike fighter when he tried to flee the battle of Washington? I'm certain I read something about his chopper being the first recorded aircraft killed by a OSF) and that pretty much led to the creation of the world as we know it united under the emperor of the CG corporation :D (OK I jest there but they do have a wee bit too much power these days)

[NapoleonXIV]

What about Bush's twin daughters as president and vice-president?

With strange parallels to the Grant admininstration.

[Michael E Johnson]

So far? President Bill Clinton. Those 19 days in January 2001 were sheer bliss :D

[Grey Wolf]

So far? President Bill Clinton. Those 19 days in January 2001 were sheer bliss :D

hehehe, gotta agree here :)

Still, looking forward to the next President Clinton !

Grey Wolf

[David Howery]

Leej> lies, lies, all scurrilous lies. President Howery was loved by the masses, and died peacefully in bed after 30 years of presidency. The day of his death is a national day of mourning in the entire world, and his grave is a shrine visited by billions every year. The president shot down by the OSF was one of the Diffins (I forget which one, they all look alike to me..) :p

[Stalin]

Leej> lies, lies, all scurrilous lies. President Howery was loved by the masses, and died peacefully in bed after 30 years of presidency. The day of his death is a national day of mourning in the entire world, and his grave is a shrine visited by billions every year. The president shot down by the OSF was one of the Diffins (I forget which one, they all look alike to me..) :p

Howery was a pretty good president, because of his economic policies and domestic reforms. However, Diffin during the 2030's led the country out of the chaos, economic min-depression, corruption, and new "malaise" (to use a phrase from the 1970's). Sure he was compared to everyone from Huey Long to Julius Caesar, but because of him, the US was able to become a major superpower again. Howery on the other hand inherited only a recession and a little bit of unrest.

[David Howery]

yeah, but you forgot his most important achievment: uniting the entire world under the glorious banner of the United States. That's like discussing Lincoln and not mentioning the Emancipation Proclamation or the ACW... :)

[Straha]

neither of you guys are referring to the same 21st century ;)

[Stalin]

neither of you guys are referring to the same 21st century ;)

Er, last time I checked "Howery-Droms" was president during the 21st century. I think you need to stop reading the news your comrades at the EU give you. :)

[Landshark]

I'd have to say the US's first female president:

Arnold Schwarzenegger.

Not only for her great work as president but also for her later crusade against the dangers of steroid abuse.

[fortyseven]

Prime Minister Peter Jackson of New Zealand (2024-2032)

[Straha]

I know a Matt Dromms was president during the Nafobor Interregnum from 2028-2064. I arrived here recently in a exploratory-coqnuest mission by the Millenial Empire so I'm not fammilliar with this 21st centruy...

[Stalin]

I know a Matt Dromms was president during the Nafobor Interregnum from 2028-2064. I arrived here recently in a exploratory-coqnuest mission by the Millenial Empire so I'm not fammilliar with this 21st centruy...

Okay, we'll cut you some slack. You do know at least about C. Rice and Diffin though, right? Rice being the President who led us through WWIII and P. Diffin being the one who led us through WWIV.

[Otis Tarda]

Leej> lies, lies, all scurrilous lies. President Howery was loved by the masses, and died peacefully in bed after 30 years of presidency. The day of his death is a national day of mourning in the entire world, and his grave is a shrine visited by billions every year.

1 000 000 000 divided by 365 is about 2,700,000 visitors every day, i.e. 100 000 every hour.

Oh! But you mentioned about billions... so we have to multiply it by at least two.

Wow.http://e-politicus.net/images/smiles/icon_mrgreen.gif

[Straha]

1 Did your 21st centruy see no 2nd great depression in the 2020s?? Thats the onyl way to get a diffin to a second term. Your timeline must diverge in the 1930's because I see references to a bush jr when the only bush i know of died in combat in WWII. Whats this talk of a clinton administration thats unlikely and ASBish.

2 your WWIII was from 2005-2005 right? Your timeline must diverge from my TL in the 1990's with Bill Clinton becoming president instead of Charles manson. I see no other way for condoleeza rice to get into the white house except for Bill Clinton to get in and be an idiot. After 1980 in my history the republicans were DEAD as a party in the USA.

3 C. Rice oh yeah that person that lost to Lyndon gunnip in 2004. P. Diffin was president from 2016-2020 and there was no WWIV. He would have been reelected except for the superflu,goblinaization and second great depression happening in 2020. Diffin would be best compaored to your timeline's Jimmy Carter or my timeline's Alan Keyes.

4 Diffin's policies excpet for the social conservativeness seem like B. Bader's poliies that he put into action in his 2 terms. In the timeline that I'm from Diffin was a populist president whose measures at least minimized the efftects of the depression. As much as he was maligned forn ot taking harsher measures to stop the hemp blight from spreading to africa he at least was able to same SOME hemp, though nto the fuel quality hemp. Even thoguht he was able to save it the price of marijuana at price chopper was expensive from 2020-2028 when it started to recover.

5 Who can forget President Castro(2064-2072) and his restoration of full democracy and ending the national emergency that was started by presdeint bader in 2028? Besides his presidential achievements he's famous for exposing the Diffin-Howery-Bondoc-Montgomorie white slave ring where people were kidnapped and forced to work in salt mines.

[Stalin]

1 Did your 21st centruy see no 2nd great depression in the 2020s?? Thats the onyl way to get a diffin to a second term. Your timeline must diverge in the 1930's because I see references to a bush jr when the only bush i know of died in combat in WWII. Whats this talk of a clinton administration thats unlikely and ASBish.

2 your WWIII was from 2005-2005 right? Your timeline must diverge from my TL in the 1990's with Bill Clinton becoming president instead of Charles manson. I see no other way for condoleeza rice to get into the white house except for Bill Clinton to get in and be an idiot. After 1980 in my history the republicans were DEAD as a party in the USA.

3 C. Rice oh yeah that person that lost to Lyndon gunnip in 2004. P. Diffin was president from 2016-2020 and there was no WWIV. He would have been reelected except for the superflu,goblinaization and second great depression happening in 2020. Diffin would be best compaored to your timeline's Jimmy Carter or my timeline's Alan Keyes.

4 Diffin's policies excpet for the social conservativeness seem like B. Bader's poliies that he put into action in his 2 terms. In the timeline that I'm from Diffin was a populist president whose measures at least minimized the efftects of the depression. As much as he was maligned forn ot taking harsher measures to stop the hemp blight from spreading to africa he at least was able to same SOME hemp, though nto the fuel quality hemp. Even thoguht he was able to save it the price of marijuana at price chopper was expensive from 2020-2028 when it started to recover.

5 Who can forget President Castro(2064-2072) and his restoration of full democracy and ending the national emergency that was started by presdeint bader in 2028? Besides his presidential achievements he's famous for exposing the Diffin-Howery-Bondoc-Montgomorie white slave ring where people were kidnapped and forced to work in salt mines.

1. Actually, there were multiple recessions in the 2020's and one depression by 2028. Diffin still got elected in 2032 because he had managed to keep Texas virtually crime-free, and economically successful. As for Bush: Bush I did survive WWII. He was only a one-term president though because a recession occurred when he was trying to get re-elected, and that coupled with a few stupid mistakes (such as his infamous "no new taxes" remark) caused him to sharply decline in popularity and lose the election of 1992.

2. Jesus, Manson was president? He was a serial killer in OTL! As for Rice: Actually, depending on who you talk to Clinton was either moderately competent or a wishy-washy corrupt career politician, but certainly not an idiot. What happened was that she did a stellar job under President George W. Bush, and the Republicans nominated her to the presidency. The democrats had been increasingly losing support among various groups, and that loss almost made them collapse as a party.

3. What? Who's Gunnip? The only race in OTL that occurred in 2004 was between George W. Bush and Howard Dean, and it was a landslide. As for Diffin: He would be way too young to become president in 2016. He would only be 28, not eligible for the presidency. Unless of course you're referring to a different Diffin. OTL’s Diffin came to power as president in 2032, at the age of 44. He got re-elected because the public felt his reformist, populist policies were sorely needed. He declared Martial Law in 2037 after sending troops into the inner city to reduce the still high crime rate there. The US annexed various states under him, and eventually had to get involved in WWIV in 2039. After that, it was even stronger, because the EU and China had been devastated.

5. President Castro? Was he related to Fidel Castro, notorious Communist dictator of Cuba (1959-2009)? As for the slave ring: WTF? That’s beyond odd. None of those men would have done something that horrible.

[David Howery]

white slave ring? nonsense... the salt mines were simply an isolated prison for those deluded criminals who were brainwashed into opposing the entirely benevolent takeover of the entire world by the US. This was a way to keep them gainfully employed at a vital task and ensure their health (nothing like swinging a pickaxe to strengthen the ol' heart)....

[Stalin]

white slave ring? nonsense... the salt mines were simply an isolated prison for those deluded criminals who were brainwashed into opposing the entirely benevolent takeover of the entire world by the US. This was a way to keep them gainfully employed at a vital task and ensure their health (nothing like swinging a pickaxe to strengthen the ol' heart)....

Err, the world wasn't entirely taken over by the US. There were still independent nations and the like; it's just that the US had installed numerous puppet regimes all over the place after winning WWIV. And no one was ever imprisoned simply for disagreeing with the Government. Virtually all “political prisoners” had been terrorists, murderers, or else dangerous to their communities. Most got sentenced to well-funded, humane prison work camps (with food, clothing, bathroom utilities, and infotainment all included). They probably got lucky with just hard labor sentences, rather than the death penalty.

[Stalin]

OOC: Hey, is anyone interested in doing a "Howery's America" FTL?

[Straha]

*sigh* as I've said I'm not from your timeline... and don't assume someone is human because they post on the internet. The Empire has a crosstime internet so it was easy to find this forum.

1 interesting.. so no 2020-2030 depression like my timeline how different. Your timeline didn't have the empire arriving in 2015 and restoring order...

2 Manson a serial killer? thats funny its almost as funny as having Al Sharpton or Howard Dean not be serial killers. Manson was a good president who didn't try to interfere with the goodtimes

3 Theres no analogue in your timeline. Your timeline's Gerald Ford has no analogue in the TL I'm from.

4 your timeline still has the age 35 rule for being elected? how archaic.

5 not even close! He was a californian but he was raised in new york. He gets elected president on promises to restore democracy and he uses the same corrupt party arms that usually would have helped him to discredit the Nafobor Party. Another note is that he was one of the first to get the immortality treatment. That peter diffin guy was his VP and I believe he was president in the 2080's. It was the votes(we abolished the electoral system in 2015) from the mexican,southwestern and carribena states that made the votes for Diffin and Castro's campaigns landslides in their favor.

6 yes you're right I heard it was a conspiracy by mafia leader Macsporan to hide his evil shaved ape trading ring. Macsporan is currently running from the police to attempt to avoid his sentance of hard labor in the virunga salt mines that was ordered by Judges Diffin and Howery.

[Stalin]

*sigh* as I've said I'm not from your timeline... and don't assume someone is human because they post on the internet. The Empire has a crosstime internet so it was easy to find this forum.

1 interesting.. so no 2020-2030 depression like my timeline how different. Your timeline didn't have the empire arriving in 2015 and restoring order...

2 Manson a serial killer? thats funny its almost as funny as having Al Sharpton or Howard Dean not be serial killers. Manson was a good president who didn't try to interfere with the goodtimes

3 Theres no analogue in your timeline. Your timeline's Gerald Ford has no analogue in the TL I'm from.

4 your timeline still has the age 35 rule for being elected? how archaic.

5 not even close! He was a californian but he was raised in new york. He gets elected president on promises to restore democracy and he uses the same corrupt party arms that usually would have helped him to discredit the Nafobor Party. Another note is that he was one of the first to get the immortality treatment. That peter diffin guy was his VP and I believe he was president in the 2080's. It was the votes(we abolished the electoral system in 2015) from the mexican,southwestern and carribena states that made the votes for Diffin and Castro's campaigns landslides in their favor.

6 yes you're right I heard it was a conspiracy by mafia leader Macsporan to hide his evil shaved ape trading ring. Macsporan is currently running from the police to attempt to avoid his sentance of hard labor in the virunga salt mines that was ordered by Judges Diffin and Howery.

1. No, no aliens here. Hell, we're not even sure if Aliens exist in OTL.

2. Al Sharpton and Howard Dean weren't serial killers here. They were actually left-wing politicians, who both had a failed run for the presidency in 2004. There were actually nine democrats running for the presidency in 2004 in OTL. None of which had a chance at getting elected, because they were all constantly changing their positions on issues, making gaffes, appealing to the far-left, etc. Like I said, the Democrats kept on getting more and more irrelevant after 2004.

3. Ah, I see. Who was Gunnip though, anyway?

4. Actually, it's not. It takes a long time to work your way up to the point where you can even consider running for the presidency. Most people who run are in their late 40's to early sixties anyway.

5. Does the immortality treatment give people eternal youth/stamina/etc.? Wait a second, didn't you say Diffin was president in the 2010's/2020's?

6. There are inter-dimensional police looking for him?

[Straha]

1. No, no aliens here. Hell, we're not even sure if Aliens exist in OTL.

2. Al Sharpton and Howard Dean weren't serial killers here. They were actually left-wing politicians, who both had a failed run for the presidency in 2004. There were actually nine democrats running for the presidency in 2004 in OTL. None of which had a chance at getting elected, because they were all constantly changing their positions on issues, making gaffes, appealing to the far-left, etc. Like I said, the Democrats kept on getting more and more irrelevant after 2004.

3. Ah, I see. Who was Gunnip though, anyway?

4. Actually, it's not. It takes a long time to work your way up to the point where you can even consider running for the presidency. Most people who run are in their late 40's to early sixties anyway.

5. Does the immortality treatment give people eternal youth/stamina/etc.? Wait a second, didn't you say Diffin was president in the 2010's/2020's?

6. There are inter-dimensional police looking for him?

1 I see.... and I'm from another dimension not another planet

2 mm.. I see

3 a hell of a long story

4 he did a celebrity style campaign with lots of glitz

5 yes it does and I meant diffin II

6 yes

[Landshark]

OOC: Hey, is anyone interested in doing a "Howery's America" FTL?

We'd need anti tank rockets to kill his ego after doing that.

BTW if anyone does need any anti tank rockets I can get them wholesale.

[Stalin]

Well, we'd better start looking for ammo then.

[Straha]

*holds up a sing that says ammo cheap*

GET YOUR AMMO HERE! AMMO CHEAP not if you're a member of the republcian,reform of RRP parties ;-)

[Stalin]

*holds up a sing that says ammo cheap*

GET YOUR AMMO HERE! AMMO CHEAP not if you're a member of the republcian,reform of RRP parties ;-)

"Holds up a sing." Is that some kind of new music genre/form of singing in the future? :)

[Straha]

crap I meant *holds up a sign then flips off the next poster*

[Stalin]

crap I meant *holds up a sign then flips off the next poster*

Well, that's not very nice. :)

[Straha]

be glad i didn't link to goatse....

[Stalin]

Vomits at the thought of Goatse pics...

Yes, that would be bad. And Ian would (hopefully) ban you if you did

[Straha]

I like posting here too much to link to it so its a bluff ;) so anyways how was your misfortunate first time of coming across goatse? mine was when someone said that the link was a link to an FAQ on this gaming site. my raction was like :confused::eek::rolleyes:. I've tricked lots of people with the link muahahahahahaha! thanks to me just about all of the junior(my class) and most of the senior class at my school know of goatse ;)

[Stalin]

I like posting here too much to link to it so its a bluff ;) so anyways how was your misfortunate first time of coming across goatse? mine was when someone said that the link was a link to an FAQ on this gaming site. my raction was like :confused::eek::rolleyes:. I've tricked lots of people with the link muahahahahahaha! thanks to me just about all of the junior(my class) and most of the senior class at my school know of goatse ;)

I never came across Goatse, however I have heard of it. What I have had the misfortune of coming across is tub girl. Recoils at thought of nasty pic.

[Straha]

tubgirl bah thats weak compared to goatse...

[David Howery]

I always suspected Macsporan was hiding sinister activities behind that peace/love let's all be socialists facade of his :D

[Straha]

I always suspected Macsporan was hiding sinister activities behind that peace/love let's all be socialists facade of his :D

I agree I never trust socialists. I'm libertarian so I have reasons to dislike his politics

[Stalin]

I agree I never trust socialists. I'm libertarian so I have reasons to dislike his politics

That's funny, I always thought you were just a slightly-libertarian pro-drug liberal , with all the ATLs you make where Liberalism is more successful.

[Straha]

ya got me there I'm 55% liberal and 45% libertarian so you're right

[MerryPrankster]

What's Goatse?

Someone came across Tub-Girl in my dorm around the beginning of last semester. Now THAT is just plain disgusting. :eek: :eek:

Hmmm...perhaps I could make a TL where I'm President. We already have President Howery and President Diffin after all. The "Holy Republic of Tunis" one that Duncan and I worked on had me as the President and chief religious leader of a Christian empire in North Africa (the TL itself didn't end with me; I showed up at the Cross-Time UN meetings). I wonder how I could be President of the good old USA?

Hmm...when will right-Libertarians have a good chance at winning on our own or taking over a major party (like the Populists/Progressives took over the Democrats in OTL)?

Perhaps a Macsporan Presidency in the US will work out...maybe his parents are traveling and he's born here, or they abolish the native-born rule. In the earlier case, since he's technically a US citizen (even if he's never lived here for long; after all, the al-Qaeda guy Emdi left the US as an infant and he's still a citizen), he can come over from Australia and run for President.

[MerryPrankster]

Shaved ape trading ring? Whoa. I guess the Weekly World News was right about something after all...

[Stalin]

What's Goatse?


It's a picture of a hermaphrodite’s genitals. Typically someone is fooled into clicking on a link to it and seeing it. Fortunately, I've never stumbled on it.

[Straha]

dude its a pic of a man ripping his ass open

[Stalin]

dude its a pic of a man ripping his ass open

Sometimes it is. Most of the times though it's a hermaphrodite though, or something similarly disgusting. The whole point of Goatse links is to freak out people.

[Stalin]

Peter Thomas Diffin/Pedro Tomas Diffin

DOB: 8/16/1988

Home State: New York

Party: Republican (before presidential inauguration), Reform Republican (after Presidential inauguration)

Term In Office: January 20, 2033-January 20, 2051

Vice President: David Howery-Dromms

Significant Acts:

Annexed Cuba, Puerto Rico, Mexico, and Guam.

Authorized federal troops to attack all major domestic terrorist groups as well as organized crime in conjunction with the police.

Signed American re-Militarization act.

Declared Martial Law in 2037 following troop authorization, did not end Martial Law until 2050

Signed America for America Industries Act, forcing businesses to remain largely in the USA and obey strict labor and environmental laws.

Career :
2014-2022 Lawyer
2022-2026 Mayor of San Antonio
2028-2033 Governor of Texas
2033-2050 President of the United States.

Did You Know:

Diffin was the first President to form a political party while in office.

Diffin was the first President to authorize deployment of troops on criminals.

Diffin was the first President since Lincoln to declare Martial Law on a national level.

At age 44, Diffin was youngest man elected president since Kennedy.

Diffin was the first White Hispanic President (And the first President since Kennedy to be Catholic).

Diffin was the first President to go by both an English name and a Spanish name.

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[Kuralyov]

I always was partial to the reincarnated head of President Nixon. He was the greatest ever President of the Earth, and he lead us to victory against the savage Brain Balls!

[Straha]

Peter Thomas Diffin/Pedro Tomas Diffin

DOB: 8/16/1988

Home State: New York

Party: Republican (before presidential inauguration), Reform Republican (after Presidential inauguration)

Term In Office: January 20, 2033-January 20, 2051

Vice President: David Howery-Dromms

Significant Acts:

Annexed Cuba, Puerto Rico, Mexico, and Guam.

Authorized federal troops to attack all major domestic terrorist groups as well as organized crime in conjunction with the police.

Signed American re-Militarization act.

Declared Martial Law in 2037 following troop authorization, did not end Martial Law until 2050

Signed America for America Industries Act, forcing businesses to remain largely in the USA and obey strict labor and environmental laws.

Career :
2014-2022 Lawyer
2022-2026 Mayor of San Antonio
2028-2033 Governor of Texas
2033-2050 President of the United States.

Did You Know:

Diffin was the first President to form a political party while in office.

Diffin was the first President to authorize deployment of troops on criminals.

Diffin was the first President since Lincoln to declare Martial Law on a national level.

At age 44, Diffin was youngest man elected president since Kennedy.

Diffin was the first White Hispanic President (And the first President since Kennedy to be Catholic).

Diffin was the first President to go by both an English name and a Spanish name.

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1 in my home timeline he ruled the imperium Americanorum from an abortive 2020-2024 term and 2040-2048 for his other terms.

2 he run on the neo-populist party both times

3 in my timeline the first person who started anew party while in office was Lyndon La Rouche

4 since WWIII in 2004-2005 those areas were ruled by the USA. Before WWIII Cuba,puerto rico and guam were already states along with the other carribena states. Mexico's government willingly joined during WWIII.

5 those same laws were passed by President Bader in his terms from 2028-2036. However martial law lasted till democracy in the Imperium Americanorum was restored in 2156

[Stalin]

1 in my home timeline he ruled the imperium Americanorum from an abortive 2020-2024 term and 2040-2048 for his other terms.

2 he run on the neo-populist party both times

3 in my timeline the first person who started anew party while in office was Lyndon La Rouche

4 since WWIII in 2004-2005 those areas were ruled by the USA. Before WWIII Cuba,puerto rico and guam were already states along with the other carribena states. Mexico's government willingly joined during WWIII.

5 those same laws were passed by President Bader in his terms from 2028-2036. However martial law lasted till democracy in the Imperium Americanorum was restored in 2156

1. Wow, that's bizzare. Multiple terms... So term limits were eliminated in your ATL by the early 21st century?

2. Not surprising, Diffin was a self-described neo-Populist.

3. Lyndon La Rouche? That anti-semitic conspiracy theorist nut job? Jesus, you have Manson and La Rouche as presidents in your ATL?

4. Wow, that's horrible. Martial Law was only declared after the inner cities became really dangerous after Diffin sent troops there to try and secure them. Why was it declared in your ATL?

[Straha]

1. Wow, that's bizzare. Multiple terms... So term limits were eliminated in your ATL by the early 21st century?

2. Not surprising, Diffin was a self-described neo-Populist.

3. Lyndon La Rouche? That anti-semitic conspiracy theorist nut job? Jesus, you have Manson and La Rouche as presidents in your ATL?

4. Wow, that's horrible. Martial Law was only declared after the inner cities became really dangerous after Diffin sent troops there to try and secure them. Why was it declared in your ATL?

1 yes they're eliminated in the late 20th century

2 yes he was a good president but he kept up a form of neo-isolationism and wasn't tought on the USSR. Its fracturing and stagnation caused WWIII as the USSR tried to stop the secessions with nukes which brigns the other nearby nuclear powers like Japan,Germany,Al-Andalus,China,Mongolia and Australia into the war. The usa only loses indionapolis inthe war.

3 to keep order after massive riots by libertarian,republican and National Socialist protesters in the states where those parties held sway. The Imperium Americanorum was light in its dictatorial policies so only 75 million total died as a result of government policy in the 128 years of empire.

[Stalin]

1 yes they're eliminated in the late 20th century

2 yes he was a good president but he kept up a form of neo-isolationism and wasn't tought on the USSR. Its fracturing and stagnation caused WWIII as the USSR tried to stop the secessions with nukes which brigns the other nearby nuclear powers like Japan,Germany,Al-Andalus,China,Mongolia and Australia into the war. The usa only loses indionapolis inthe war.


1. Why were they eliminated?

2. Not tough on the USSR? That sounds very different from the anti-Communist Diffin of my timeline. In my timeline WWIII happened a long time ago in 2012, when China invaded Siberia and Taiwan. Again, Diffin led as through WWIV in my timeline, which was caused by more reasons than I can possibly tell you right now. I'll go over that later...

Here's a map of the world in the late 2030's while we're on that subject:

[Straha]

1 one of the presidents I don't really remember which one I think it was either Eugene McCarthy or Lyndon La Rouche

2 the USSR started WWIII in 2005 as they splintered

3 very interesting heres amap of 2062

[Stalin]

What's with all the neo-Nazis and such in your timeline? I see all of these crudely-drawn swastikas all over the place...

[Straha]

a hell of a long story involving the shift of the solar invasion,WWIII,earth brought into the millenial empire and the assimilation/conquest of several draka ATLs.....

[Stalin]

"solar invasion?"

[Stalin]

And what's this I hear about Draka? Weren't they just fictional characters from some obscure AH book (when that Genre was still forming)?

[Straha]

the draka as fiction?? interesting.. The empire contacted the draka ATLS and absorbed them.

1 I meant solar system shift and alien invasion sorry

[Stalin]

I'm sorry, but this is way too much. So you're telling me you had some kind of "solar system shift" (what ever that is), an alien invasion, and several timelines merged with yours? How did all of that happen?

[Straha]

1 ohh oby lots of other stuff happened too.....

2 we had a war against the borg from 2182-2187 that ended with the last borg being wiped out

3 plantes form sci-fi style ATLS wete merged into this timeline

4 no TL merge just easy crosstime

[Stalin]

So, what do you think of my timeline thus far? I mean, do you think we're worse off than your's, or better?

[Straha]

you world's africa,western europe,asia and eastern europe are better off than my timeline but te ameircnas are worse off. I mean an evangelical for president!? we fought the second american civil war to permanently end the toxic effects of southern fundamentalism. Your technology and space program areway behind ours. You don't even have moonbases or martian settlements in your 2004! Your USA is far more uptight,religious and conservative than the USA usually is in most ATLS with a USA...

[Stalin]

you world's africa,western europe,asia and eastern europe are better off than my timeline but te ameircnas are worse off. I mean an evangelical for president!? we fought the second american civil war to permanently end the toxic effects of southern fundamentalism. Your technology and space program areway behind ours. You don't even have moonbases or martian settlements in your 2004! Your USA is far more uptight,religious and conservative than the USA usually is in most ATLS with a USA...

Which evangelical? And since when is that a bad thing? I'm a little confused now. As for fundamentalism and the religious right: Fundamentalism declined, but the Religious Right was re-defined. Diffin rallied almost all religious social conservatives into a truly powerful, non-bigoted movement. The US had a major religious revival in the 2030's, which made a lot of people happy, but some critics called the USA a theocracy.

When it comes to conservatism, religion, etc.: How is that necessarily a bad thing? Religion promotes stability and love when it isn't being used by two-bit fundamentalist nutcases. Conservatism promotes caution and pragmatism, a combination which makes for a pretty sane and less violent society. And as for being "uptight": Hey, that's in the eye of the beholder. We legalized drugs in the 2030's, along with prostitution. I don't think that's too puritanical.

And when it comes to Space exploration: There just wasn't a demand for it by the 1970's, and after several failures from the 1970's to 1990's and many billions of dollars wasted, most people didn't view it as too practical. It was only until Bush jr. proposed the development of a moon base during is 1st term that public interest returned. We managed to get to Mars finally by the 2010's, and that was pretty memorable. And by the 2030's, we were developing plans for mining the asteroids. We had a pretty good space exploration boom in the 21st century I'd have to say.

[Straha]

1 Very interesting but in my TL diffin was a secular populist and the 3rd athiest president(Gunnip and Gere were the first 2). Diffin coasted to victory in 2040 after the national socialist party with its strongholds in Iowa,missisipi,alberta,sonora,the dakots,idaho,nebraska,sasketchsewan and Texas decalred their support for him

2 I meant that puritan fundamentalism died permanently in the nuclear fires of richmond,baton rouge,,kansas city, and miami. Theres still religioin but more of it is not based on chirstianity or being touted as a secular group like Ayn Rand's Feudalists,the scientologists and various UFO religions to name a few.

3 Prostitution and drugs were legalized/regulated in the late 20th century. My timeline's earth never had anti-smoking laws like yours did because we had far better ventillation.

4 We got a moonbase in the 1960's, a cold war agaisnt a powerful enemy can do wonders to pressurize R&D.

5 Asteroid mining happened in the 70's and in 2020 an imperial walked on the livable world in the alhpa centauri system. That was truly memorable especially as the american-born imperial astronaut, Kodrac Mentaris-Kaffn uttered the words "One Empire ,Two planets. Glory to the race! The empire now controls over 500 star systems in this universe. Your posting has been traced an a conquest fleet has been sent through the interdimensional fog.

[Stalin]

1 Very interesting but in my TL diffin was a secular populist and the 3rd athiest president(Gunnip and Gere were the first 2). Diffin coasted to victory in 2040 after the national socialist party with its strongholds in Iowa,missisipi,alberta,sonora,the dakots,idaho,nebraska,sasketchsewan and Texas decalred their support for him

2 I meant that puritan fundamentalism died permanently in the nuclear fires of richmond,baton rouge,,kansas city, and miami. Theres still religioin but more of it is not based on chirstianity or being touted as a secular group like Ayn Rand's Feudalists,the scientologists and various UFO religions to name a few.

3 Prostitution and drugs were legalized/regulated in the late 20th century. My timeline's earth never had anti-smoking laws like yours did because we had far better ventillation.

4 We got a moonbase in the 1960's, a cold war agaisnt a powerful enemy can do wonders to pressurize R&D.

5 Asteroid mining happened in the 70's and in 2020 an imperial walked on the livable world in the alhpa centauri system. That was truly memorable especially as the american-born imperial astronaut, Kodrac Mentaris-Kaffn uttered the words "One Empire ,Two planets. Glory to the race! The empire now controls over 500 star systems in this universe. Your posting has been traced an a conquest fleet has been sent through the interdimensional fog.

1. Why did the Nazis support him? And why was he athiest, when in my timeline he was a devout Catholic who had some Buddhist beliefs? I mean, this is a guy who consulted with the Pope and the Dalai Lama.

2. So cults are common in your timeline?

3. Interesting. In my timeline, Smoking was nearly gone by the 21st century. Fewer people smoked, and those who did were encouraged to quit due to the numerous health hazards associated with Smoking.

4. We had a pretty powerful enemy too. The USSR was pretty powerful from 1945 to 1981.

5. The race?

[Straha]

1. Why did the Nazis support him? And why was he athiest, when in my timeline he was a devout Catholic who had some Buddhist beliefs? I mean, this is a guy who consulted with the Pope and the Dalai Lama.

2. So cults are common in your timeline?

3. Interesting. In my timeline, Smoking was nearly gone by the 21st century. Fewer people smoked, and those who did were encouraged to quit due to the numerous health hazards associated with Smoking.

4. We had a pretty powerful enemy too. The USSR was pretty powerful from 1945 to 1981.

5. The race?

1 long story about both questions....

2 yes but they're taking on more of the trappingso f regular religons

3 as I've said its a difference in social trends. what does your TL ban smoking ads on TV??

4 so your TL had a USSR too? I assume Trotsky lead yours from 1939 until well into the 50's right?

5 "Glory To the Race" and "service to the state" is the usual greeting for imperials

[Stalin]

1 long story about both questions....

2 yes but they're taking on more of the trappingso f regular religons

3 as I've said its a difference in social trends. what does your TL ban smoking ads on TV??

4 so your TL had a USSR too? I assume Trotsky lead yours from 1939 until well into the 50's right?

5 "Glory To the Race" and "service to the state" is the usual greeting for imperials

1. Oh, okay. Explain it if you can though.

2. Yes, actually it does. And it also has numerous anti-Smoking ads, programs, warnings, etc.

3. Yes, but Stalin led it from 1929 (though he became leader of the party in 1924) to 1953. He exiled and killed Trotsky, along with much of the dissenting members of the Communist Party. He also murdered millions of people, formed Gulags (concentration camps), is commonly believed to have intentionally starved the Ukrainians, staged "show trials", and he brutalized the kulaks and other farmers. He was quite possibly the most evil and brutal leader who ever lived.

4. Sounds like you guys are just slaves to Aliens.

[Straha]

1 Apparently your world's diffin got moved to new york city instead of san francisco by his family. He became a radical athiest and populist. He was able to unite the white racist-social conservative-latino catholic vote with the national socialist party.

2 *imagines what these warnings are like* I hope its not at the ponti where you have surgeon general warnings on ads for dope/liquor/tobacco,bottles of alcohol,cigarrate packs and marijuana bags.

3 wow Stalin post 1939 sounds worse than even Trotsky or Gorbachev were in terms of evil!

4 The Empire didn't enslave earth as you might think. Its arrangment is more like how the romans did things iwth local rulers,trade and basing rights. The Imperials aren't aliens they're from an alternate earth. All people no matter what species are equal under the emperor.

[Dan Guy]

What is the empire on the north american continent?
The one with the symbolic "O" with the lightning bolt? :D

[Straha]

The Imperium Americanorum and The "O" with the lightning bolt is merely the symbol of the ruling party, the Nafobor Party.

[Stalin]

1 Apparently your world's diffin got moved to new york city instead of san francisco by his family. He became a radical athiest and populist. He was able to unite the white racist-social conservative-latino catholic vote with the national socialist party.

2 *imagines what these warnings are like* I hope its not at the ponti where you have surgeon general warnings on ads for dope/liquor/tobacco,bottles of alcohol,cigarrate packs and marijuana bags.

3 wow Stalin post 1939 sounds worse than even Trotsky or Gorbachev were in terms of evil!

4 The Empire didn't enslave earth as you might think. Its arrangment is more like how the romans did things iwth local rulers,trade and basing rights. The Imperials aren't aliens they're from an alternate earth. All people no matter what species are equal under the emperor.

1. San Fransico? Why would they move there?

2. Oh, it's been past that point for more than a century. And marijuana was barely legalized.

3. Yeah, well Gorbachev and Trotsky were actually viewed in favorable way by many people in my timeline. And Gorbachev was viewed as a liberal reformer by many for decades, though when he started Glasnost and Perestoika that wasn't entirely his intent. His intent was to keep the Communist Party from continuing to decay, and he failed big time. The USSR collapsed by 1991, and it became a Mob-controlled Democracy under Boris Yeltsin.

[Straha]

1. San Fransico? Why would they move there?

2. Oh, it's been past that point for more than a century. And marijuana was barely legalized.

3. Yeah, well Gorbachev and Trotsky were actually viewed in favorable way by many people in my timeline. And Gorbachev was viewed as a liberal reformer by many for decades, though when he started Glasnost and Perestoika that wasn't entirely his intent. His intent was to keep the Communist Party from continuing to decay, and he failed big time. The USSR collapsed by 1991, and it became a Mob-controlled Democracy under Boris Yeltsin.

1 I don't have any biographies of any of the presidents during the 21st century

2 my god thats truly a horrific nightmare dystopia

3 Your TLs versions of them are nicer than my timeline's TLs and thats vrather implausible.

[Stalin]

1 I don't have any biographies of any of the presidents during the 21st century

2 my god thats truly a horrific nightmare dystopia

3 Your TLs versions of them are nicer than my timeline's TLs and thats vrather implausible.

1. Okay. Do you have any idea why he joined a blatantly racist movement like neo-Nazism though?

2. Well, it depends on your perspective again.

3. Not really. Trotsky was still the leader of the Communist Vanguard, a fact which was glossed over by many left-leaning historians. And Gorbachev as I stated earlier was mainly interested in keeping the Communists in power.

[Straha]

1 during WWIII he becomes convinced that lesser races are the problem

2 yess....

3 I see... shows how good intentions can go to hell

[Stalin]

1 during WWIII he becomes convinced that lesser races are the problem

2 yess....

3 I see... shows how good intentions can go to hell

1. Yes, but he was a committed anti-racist his entire life. He grew up admiring MLK. He was extremely sympathetic to the inner city's ghetto dwellers. And he hated exploitation of Hispanics (his race) and other races. That's like having Ghandi become a serial killer, or having Al Sharpton join the KKK: It just doesn't make sense, even in a bizarre timeline like your own.

3. Well, I think it shows how even pragmatically-made decisions can backfire. Calling plans created to sustain a one-party state "good intentions" because they're intended as reforms seems a bit much.

[Straha]

1. Yes, but he was a committed anti-racist his entire life. He grew up admiring MLK. He was extremely sympathetic to the inner city's ghetto dwellers. And he hated exploitation of Hispanics (his race) and other races. That's like having Ghandi become a serial killer, or having Al Sharpton join the KKK: It just doesn't make sense, even in a bizarre timeline like your own.

3. Well, I think it shows how even pragmatically-made decisions can backfire. Calling plans created to sustain a one-party state "good intentions" because they're intended as reforms seems a bit much.

1 the specific type of racism that he had was economic not ethnic so no change there I mean his VP was black and he had an arab attorney general

2 well since reform is a good thing...

[Stalin]

1 the specific type of racism that he had was economic not ethnic so no change there I mean his VP was black and he had an arab attorney general

2 well since reform is a good thing...

1. One thing that WWIII did cement in his mind was the idea that not only was Europe no longer friendly to America, it was just out to get the US. He wasn't the only person who thought that after the EU pinned much of the blame of WWIII on the US, even though China had been the culprit. But that was a big source of resentment.

2. Yeah, but not when it's done to continue the existence of a god-awful Communist state.

[Stephen Nonte]

Kids today no ones remembers the Nevada Free State. That magnifascint Libertarian utopia of the west. I was a young lad in those day and I was a memember of the Liberty Milta we were a lost cause from the get go but and the causalities were brutal (I lost my left arm in the Sige of Carson City). But back in those days we had actually had a reason to fight.

[Straha]

when the first American Fuhrer, Brina Bader took power he used atomic weaposn on carson city to stop the nevada seccionists and end the west and the mexican states as being nearl independent fiefdoms.

[Dan Guy]

How did this Imperium Americanorum or whatever come to be? :p
How did the Right wing core of the world become communist or socialist?

[Straha]

a long story that diverges in the 1930's, has an interdimensional conquest,alien contact,WWIII and other things.

[Stalin]

OOC:

BTW Straha, a lot of the Crazy Days ATL is done. Check it out, I have the revised rough draft on the General forum.

[Straha]

OOC:its very good so far. I wonder how Crazy Days 2004 would react to meeting For All Strange Days 2004? They'd think the world was taken over by the reds due to the more socialist western world.

[Stalin]

OOC:its very good so far. I wonder how Crazy Days 2004 would react to meeting For All Strange Days 2004? They'd think the world was taken over by the reds due to the more socialist western world.

OOC: Hey, they'd probably think our world was taken over by the Reds.

[Straha]

OOC:yes thats true but they'd think that ALOT more about that timeline I mena the america in that world has socialized medicine and other swedish style programs.

[Stalin]

OOC:yes thats true but they'd think that ALOT more about that timeline I mena the america in that world has socialized medicine and other swedish style programs.

OOC: Yes, if they met up with the For All Strange Days ATL they'd probably freak out. Although drugs are legal in the Crazy Days universe, so at least some people I know could live there. :)

Thinking of Timelines meeting/crossovers: Why not have an ATL where the Race invades the Crazy Days universe?

[Straha]

OOC: Yes, if they met up with the For All Strange Days ATL they'd probably freak out. Although drugs are legal in the Crazy Days universe, so at least some people I know could live there. :)

Thinking of Timelines meeting/crossovers: Why not have an ATL where the Race invades the Crazy Days universe?

thats not a bad idea! in my For All Strange Days TL the race arrives in 2003 inclusing their colonization fleet and they're given some land in the sahara and the right ot settle in other nations. The early 21st century's major american immigrant wave is members of the race and peopel from latin america...

[Stalin]

thats not a bad idea! in my For All Strange Days TL the race arrives in 2003 inclusing their colonization fleet and they're given some land in the sahara and the right ot settle in other nations. The early 21st century's major american immigrant wave is members of the race and peopel from latin america...

Didn't you make a thread awhile back "The Race invades a ATL of your choice"?

[Straha]

yes and its somewhere on this forum.. why?

[Stalin]

yes and its somewhere on this forum.. why?

Well because it's directly related to related what we're talking about now.

[Straha]

so you want me to bump it up??

[Stalin]

so you want me to bump it up??

Hey, why not bump up both threads (Crazy days & The race invades... threads)?

[Straha]

so it is said so it shall be done