Weirdist possible Royal House

[Hermanubis]

Hohenzollern France?
Habsburg England?
Stuart Spain?
(What's at least somewhat good chances to see in a random ATL?)

[Othniel]

Canada Naples?:D sorry sorry... Orleanist Poland.

[Nicole]

Probably the strangest would be mixing the royal houses of the East and the West- Yamato England? Hapsburg China? Qing France? Hohenzollern Persia?

Though I have no idea how that could come about, it would certainly be interesting...

[Max Sinister]

From my "dynastic union between England and Spain" thread: Plantagenet Spain? Trastamara England?

I once had the idea for a Brazil that's set up as a big penal colony, and at the time when the Royals in France and Spain are sent to exile by Republicans, some French guy called Louis Philippe appears there with the real (he says) crown jewels of France, claims he's a member of the Royal family, and becomes first emperor of Braseal (as it's called TTL)...

[Hermanubis]

Probably the strangest would be mixing the royal houses of the East and the West- Yamato England? Hapsburg China? Qing France? Hohenzollern Persia?

Though I have no idea how that could come about, it would certainly be interesting...
Very implausible, but might be able to think of a few for fetched possibilities




- European Colonial Empires are forced to give positions independence for unusual reasons, are able to leave members of own royal house on the throne
- Eastern Empires colonize Europe, then see ^

- Dynastic Interplay between East and West (would require early POD to get Europeans to respect Eastern Cultures more, said Easterners would have to be somehow Christian as well )



I was looking for things that were a little bit more plausible, thou…

[Nicole]

If the East became Nestorian or some sort of other Eastern Christianity, that might be close to enough- there were royal marriages with Orthodox Russia OTL, after all...

[Justin Pickard]

In my Anti-Habsburg TL, I'm looking at a potential Anjou-run Provence-Naples-Hungary union. There's also going to be a Premyslid Bohemia-Poland. And potentially, for a while at least, a Habsburg Switzerland analogue.

[Redbeard]

One early morning in NASA:

"Sir, I have some bad news and some good news. First the bad - we have lost the space race to Mars, the Danes are there!"

"What!? And what are the good news then?"

"They are all up there and have now proclaimed the Glücksburg Monarchy of Mars!"


Regards:D

Steffen Redbeard

[Hermanubis]

Hohenzollern France?
Habsburg England?
Stuart Spain?
?
Anyway, what do you think it would take to get just these?

[Max Sinister]

Royal marriage, one family dies out, the winner... er, lucky survivor gets it all. Dynastical union of two countries, with the possibility to split up later.

[fortyseven]

Hapsburg England isn't hard. Mary Tudor was married to one.

[Wendell]

If the East became Nestorian or some sort of other Eastern Christianity, that might be close to enough- there were royal marriages with Orthodox Russia OTL, after all...
Such a POD might butterfly away some of those families.

[Nicole]

Such a POD might butterfly away some of those families.
I don't see how events happening all the way in the east would get rid of the families- possibly the Romanovs, but the rest?

[Wendell]

I don't see how events happening all the way in the east would get rid of the families- possibly the Romanovs, but the rest?
Probably not, but anything is possible.

[NapoleonXIV]

Hey, you said weird not possible:

Paleolagus Canada

Saudi Hawaii

Inca Japan

Sturgis Honda :p

[Xen]

What about Bonaparte Britain?

[radical_neutural]

bismark byzantium.

[Max Sinister]

r_n, Bismarck was a noble, but never a royal. Or anyone of his family.

[Count Dearborn]

How about the Stuarts in North America?

[SteveW]

I've heard once or twice that an English cricketer was once offered the Albanian throne in the 20s. Now that would be weird...test matches in Tirana?

[Hermanubis]

How about the Stuarts in North America?
Seems I've seen a TL like that once before

[Otis Tarda]

Orleanist Poland.

Not so strange, considering the fact there were a short period of Henry Valoise ruling Poland (at the end of 16th century).

[sunsurf]

Romanov Alaska
Romanov California
Benedict Arnold's family rules Louisiana
Arnoldite Cuba
Aaron Burr's family rules Mexico
The Swedish royal house in Virginia
Bourbon Brazil
Bourbon Rhode Island
New Orleans as a city-state ruled by present-day descendants of the Plantagenets.
Orleans Orleans
Orleans New Orleans
Wellington Wellington
(New Zealand is renamed Wellington, after its capital, and Arthur Wellesley, 1st Duke of Wellington, 1769 – 1852, becomes King.)

What's this reference to Sturgis Honda? Wikipedia has an article on the Sturgis Motorcycle Rally.
I see Wikipedia also tells about a samurai general, Honda Tadakatsu. So he emigrates to N. America and his descendants start a motorcycle rally? Is that it?
I shoulda checked the Honda article before posting this...:rolleyes:

[Justin Pickard]

An Orleanist New Orleans would make a fantastic TL, if only for the sake of irony... :p

[fortyseven]

Orleanist New Orleans would be fanastic and funny.

[Berra]

The house of Bush ruling France

[Alexius]

The Americas as a battleground between Bourbon, Hanover and Yamato...

[sunsurf]

I'm developing an Orleans New Orleans timeline.

I've heard of a Canadian journalist named Tom New. Now, if one of his ancestors had married into the English York dynasty, then they establish a government in the New World, we could have New-York New York.

Richard III wins the battle of Bosworth Field, Columbus falls off his horse, Cabot discovers America.

The Yorks immediately move to America to start their own kingdom. Tom New's ancestors move there as well and later marry into the York family.

Imajin suggested Habsburg China.
Somebody else had a Habsburg England thread. In that timeline, something similar to the Opium Wars takes place around 1840, and the Chinese dynasty collapses, the Europeans move in and set up their own puppet Chinese governments. One is controlled by England, and the Christianized Chinese ruler marries one of the lesser princesses of the English Habsburg line, and that's how we get a Habsburg China.

Yamato England
Yamato isn't technically a dynasty, but oh, well.
Some political faction in Japan ca. 300 AD gets exiled, wanders into Siberia, their leading shamans keep leading them west until they get to Scandinavia.

In recent centuries, the Ainu had been horribly discriminated against by the Japanese, but maybe it wasn't that bad at first. The Ainu might have had some participation in politics and society of the Yamato period, but they get ousted and make the long trek across Siberia to Scandinavia.

Finnish is a language related to some Central Asian languages. So if the Finns could emigrate that long distance to Finland, then maybe the Ainu could, too.

But they find it too crowded in Scandinavia/Finland, and sail across the water to Scotland, where their culture merges with the Picts, and they form a strong, stable kingdom which expands southward. The Romans make some conquests, but only stay until 400 AD, when Yamato/Ainu culture re-asserts itself, just in time for Celtic Christianity to take hold, and take on a distinct flavor.

English Samurai unite the kingdom once and for all by 500, and begin exploring the British isles, and discover Iceland in 701. They fight off the Viking invaders, and by 1000 have parts of N. France.

How's that?

NapoleonXIV suggested Paleologus Canada.

Well, the Varangian Guard were Vikings, and one of them might have married a lesser Paleologus princess, who gets some land in Russia. This is during the late 14th/early 15th century. Then a family member sees the Vinland map and decides to go seek his fortune over there. Maybe he thinks Erik the Red was an ancestor. America is rediscovered, and the stories about it are exaggerated but taken seriously.

Then Constantinople falls to the Ottomans. Due to the butterfly effect, the last emperor is a different person, who has a different attitude about the final battle. He runs north to Russia, learns about Vinland and decides the whole family should emigrate there to start a new empire.

He also suggested Saudi Hawaii.

During the 1920s, a younger member of the Saud family has been visiting America, talking to the Rockefellers and others about Arabia's oil. When it's time to go home, he gets on the wrong ship and winds up in Hawaii. But it's a nice place with plenty of business opportunities and not as much competition...

Inca Japan
Somebody found pottery in S. America which resembles Jomon pottery of Japan. So the Jomon establish stronger ties to the Polynesians, establish permanent settlements in Peru. This would affect Japanese history quite a bit. It wouldn't even be the same Inca. But the Incas have more Polynesian influence and have an advanced shipbuilding culture.

The island of Ponape has large structures, indicating an unusually advanced culture 1000-2000 years ago. Their culture might have survived, keeping contact with both Japan and S. America.

The Incas establish footholds at regular intervals up the coast of N. America, Alaska, down the coast of Siberia to Japan. They also establish colonies on various Pacific islands.

Hermanubis suggested Hohenzollern France.
With no Charlemagne, France is split up among German states, one of which is controlled by the Hohenzollerns...

[fortyseven]

Those are good sunsurf. Good job.

[sunsurf]

Thanks! :D

Somebody here...
http://www.science-frontiers.com/sf065/sf065a01.htm

claims that the Samurai are descendants of the Ainu. So in the ATL, a lot of Samurai are exiled and their descendants reach Britain, giving rise to British Samurai...

[Paul Spring]

The Adams dynasty of New England
The Bourbon dynasty of Quebec
The Orange dynasty of Nieu Netherlands
The Stuart dynasty of Virginia-Carolina
The Iturbide dynasty of the Empire of Mexico

[SteveW]

On another thread I've just managed to get Bonapartist Norway.

But considering Sweden in OTL is run by the House of Bernadotte, maybe that's not that weird...

How about Norman Wisdom, crowned as King of Albania?

[Mike Stearns]

How about King Montezuma I of England.

[The Ubbergeek]

The Bourbon, Bonaparte or Orléan in Québec/Canada... One have to wonder what would have hapened if New France survived and prospered. Maybe with the events of the Revolution, Restauration or Napoleon Trois, a ruler would have puled a Brazil and exilate in America to declarate the Empire of Québec/Canada, like the Braganca (was it it?) did it in Brazil?

[Wendell]

The Bush Dynasty of Connecticut
The House of Roosevelt in New Netherland/Hudson, replacing that of Vanderbilt, which replaced that of Van Buren.
The House of Calvert (Baltimore) in Maryland
The House of Walker in Nicaragua

[Nicole]

George II Bush, King of New England (ruling from Boston, of course)...

[Wendell]

The Alabama House of Burr....

[Nicole]

The House of Calvert (Baltimore) in Maryland
I think I actually posted a WI thread around those lines, though it didn't inspire much discussion.

[Wendell]

I think I actually posted a WI thread around those lines, though it didn't inspire much discussion.
Find it, if you don't mind.

[Nicole]

Find it, if you don't mind.
http://alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=21737

You posted in it, actually.

[Wendell]

http://alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=21737

You posted in it, actually.
You're right, I did. It is an interesting idea, but I think an independent Maryland would have faced problems, assuming the other states around it are each separate countries as well.

[htgriffin]

Hohenzollern France?
Habsburg England?
Stuart Spain?
(What's at least somewhat good chances to see in a random ATL?)
I once has an idea along the lines of an Ottoman cadet branch establishing themselves as Lords (later Kings) of Bohemia when the local Ottoman administrators blow it.

Would the intermarriage of the Hawai'ian and Japanese royal houses count?

HTG (who wonders about the odds of a Saxe-Coberg-Gotha going Native on the Indian throne without a Planetary Disaster)

[htgriffin]

Hapsburg England isn't hard. Mary Tudor was married to one.
Come to think of it a Rurikid England is not out of the question....

HTG

[Wendell]

How about....
a Hohenzollern France?
a Tanganyika monarchy under the House of Lettow-Vorbeck
a Cameroon with Yaphuet Kotto as its current heredity monarch
a Kingdom of Ireland under the House of Brunswick-Luneburg?
a Romanian House of Luxembourg?

[The Ubbergeek]

An Orléan Sultanate in the Malay Isles?

[Wendell]

The Iroquois House of Steuben?

[htgriffin]

How about....
a Tanganyika monarchy under the House of Lettow-Vorbeck
This one is actually pretty workable on multiple levels if the German Empire survives (or is restored) after WWI....

HTG

[The Ubbergeek]

A Zulu Tokugawa Shogunate?
Qing Aymara (south american natives) Empire?

[Wendell]

This one is actually pretty workable on multiple levels if the German Empire survives (or is restored) after WWI....

HTG
I'd like to see a timeline where it happens...

[Nicole]

How about....
a Hohenzollern France?
a Tanganyika monarchy under the House of Lettow-Vorbeck
a Cameroon with Yaphuet Kotto as its current heredity monarch
a Kingdom of Ireland under the House of Brunswick-Luneburg?
a Romanian House of Luxembourg?
Brunswick-Luneburg as in the Hannoverians?

A House of Luxembourg could end up in Romania- I mean, wasn't the decision of many of the eastern states monarchs rather "who's got a prince"? I mean, Bulgaria ended up under a member of the House of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha, I don't think they are native in the region.

[Wendell]

Brunswick-Luneburg as in the Hannoverians?

A House of Luxembourg could end up in Romania- I mean, wasn't the decision of many of the eastern states monarchs rather "who's got a prince"? I mean, Bulgaria ended up under a member of the House of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha, I don't think they are native in the region.
Yes, as in a line of the Hanoverians.

[sunsurf]

a Tanganyika monarchy under the House of Lettow-Vorbeck


Here's a timeline about him:

http://www.althist.com/east_african_empire.htm

[Wendell]

Here's a timeline about him:

http://www.althist.com/east_african_empire.htm
Thanks for that.

[NFR]

You want weird? Dual monarchies are good. Anglo-Chinese dual monarchy, the house of Saxe-Coburg-Aisin-Gioro.

Russo-Turkish? The Romanov-Gottorp-Osmanli!

[sunsurf]

Probably the strangest would be mixing the royal houses of the East and the West- Yamato England? Hapsburg China? Qing France? Hohenzollern Persia?

Though I have no idea how that could come about, it would certainly be interesting...

Thanks, Imajin, for the idea! :D I'm just now starting a story about Yamato England, though it's nowhere near done. They're still in Japan.

Hapsburg China--I already suggested it takes place in the Hapsburg England timeline.

Here are some threads relating to a Hapsburg England:

http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=2751&highlight=habsburg

http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=4571&highlight=hapsburg

http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=3455&highlight=hapsburg

http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=4546&highlight=hapsburg

Qing France--that's a lot harder.

The kings of France aren't much better in this timeline, and a revolution breaks out in France. Most of the French royal family are executed.

The most radical elements of the French Revolution remain in power. They admire Chinese philosophies, eastern myticism.

There would be a major European war between France and the other powers at this time, and the French would like some peace and quiet for a while.

So they agree to have a king, if only a puppet, a figurehead.

So they find a member of the Qing dynasty family, maybe she's only a seventh cousin eight times removed by marriage. They don't care if she's only a distant relative. And the woman's relatives don't care what she does, their attitude is that she's only a woman, and a minor relative anyway.

The French also find a member of a European royal family who is sympathetic to the French revolutionaries. His relatives have the same attitude, he's the black sheep of the family, they don't care if he becomes a prospector in California and enters vaudeville.

Maybe he was the only member of the French royal family sympathetic to the revolutionaries.

So this European minor royal marries a member of the Qing dynasty. Although the revolutionaries of France and the monarchists of the rest of Europe would get along like matter and antimatter, the rationale might be that having a king of France might make relations with the other countries a little less volatile and troublesome.

By the time the rest of Europe finds out the new king of France is marrying a Chinese woman, it's too late, the treaties have already been signed.

They're only a pretend king and queen, good for state visits and parades, but the rest of Europe doesn't have to know that.

Is that at all plausible?

Hohenzollern Persia--that's a little easier, I think. The Central Powers win WW I, Prussia wants the oil in the Mideast and takes over Persia, one of the Persian royals converts to Christianity and marries a minor Hohenzollern. I didn't say it's more likely, I said it's easier to think of a way it might happen. :D

[rcduggan]

From my "dynastic union between England and Spain" thread: Plantagenet Spain? Trastamara England?


could you post a link to that thread?

[strangeland]

Maybe the house of Bagranca could rule some part of Brazil (in OTL they actually did rule the whole country for quite some time)

Romanov Manchuria: One of the Czars takes it over, puts his cousin on the throne, and props him up with money and troops. (Ideally this would occur in a TL where the Imperial Russian Empire survives World War I and the Russian Revolution either doesn't occur or ends up being more like the 1905 Revolution);)

[The Mists Of Time]

Hohenzollern France?
Habsburg England?
Stuart Spain?
(What's at least somewhat good chances to see in a random ATL?)


I don't think those choices are as weird or as implausible as you might think. At least they are all European. I think mixing some of the European Royal Houses with Far East or Middle Eastern are more strange and more implausible, but not totally impossible.

England/Saudi. France/Japan. Hohenzollern/China.

I don't know as much as I should about geography, but my thought is that Russia/China might actually make some sense and be a weird but plausible match.

There were some African Kingdoms. What about England/Africa, or Hapsburg/Africa?

The only two barriers I can see might be 1. racial attitudes by European Whites toward other races and intermarriage of White European Royalty with other non-White races. 2. Another big barrier would be religion. It might be difficult for Christian Europe to accept the marriage of a Christian European Royal to someone even Royalty who practices Shinto and Buddism. Especially those Royal Houses that were Roman Catholic, I can't imagine The Catholic Church of that time sanctioning the marriage of a Catholic prince to a Shinto or Buddist princess.

Also, didn't most of Europe view non-European cultures as "inferior"? It's hard to imagine then the future King of England, France, or Spain marrying a "barbarian" princess from Africa or China. Would European Royalty have actually considered non-European Royalty to be civilized enough or Royal enough to consider inter-marriage with non-European Royalty?

There are some very interesting matches here, and while anything is possible I wonder just how plausible it would be even today.

[Uber_Amoeba]

After defeat at the hands of Castille, Granadan/Moorish sailors begin sailing wider, trading with the Northern European peoples. Eventually, a sizeable number end up settling in Gotland and the Swedish coast. Those traders go native, breed and advance at Stirling-Drakan super-rates, and eventually call jihad against the Catholic infidels to the all around them, conquer this land, begin dynastic intermarrying, and you get...

Saudi Scandinavia!

[Keenir]

Queen Victoria and Prince (Consort) Benjamin Disraeli.

[general_tiu]

Is Habsburg France feasible?

[Hapsburg]

What's at least somewhat good chances to see in a random ATL?)
In my TL (this might not count because it's FH), I have arise the House of Bokassa-Bourbon as the Imperial African dynasty. :D

[Analytical Engine]

Is Habsburg France feasible?

Sailic Law, anyone? :p

[Sgt Detritus]

Britain ruled by the House of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha-Roosevelt?? :D

On his trip to the USA, Edward, Prince of Wales (Edward VII), meets, falls in love with and marries a spare female Roosevelt

[Ran Exilis]

Weirdest possible royal house?

How about a Comnenian Kingdom of the Netherlands, or a Genghiside Mali?

[Sgt Detritus]

Weirdest possible royal house?

How about a Comnenian Kingdom of the Netherlands, or a Genghiside Mali?

A Hohenzollern Japan

[Max Sinister]

could you post a link to that thread?

Here you are.

I later used the idea for my Chaos TL, too.

[seraphim74]

Jagiellonian Korea.

Jagiellonian Poland-Lithuania conquers Moscow and rest of today's Russia. To protect themselves from Chinese imperialists and Japanese republicans, Koreans offer the crown to king Władysław XI's junior brother, Świętopełk.

Does anybody know what Korean version of Świętopełk would look like?

[Kabraloth]

Wittelsbach-Sobieski?

[TotrueTufaar]

King George (Washington) IV of England.

The Roosevelt of the Netherlands and New Amsterdam.


Nordic Ukraine.



....

An Irish King of England.

[Susano]

Yes, as in a line of the Hanoverians.

Other way round.

Or, to be more exact, the House is called the Welfs. After the Fall of Henry the Lion they lost Saxony, and only thei rhouselands aroudn Brunswick remained to them. These lands splintered more an dmroe s they were divdied between several sons, until Brunswick-Lüneburg could shortly unite them all. They splintered afterwards again, but afterwards every Welf ruler called himself Duke of Brunswick and Lüneburg and Prince of <his seat>. Wolfenbüttel, Calenberg, Grubenhagen and Lüneburg proper were the Welf principalities, and properly they all were Brunswick-Lüneburg-X. Eventually, Calenberg, grubenhagen and Lüneburg could be united in one hand, and the hereditary laws be changed to primogeniture (an important prerequisite in becoming Electorate, too). Thus the state of Hannover was created. Wolfenbüttel remained out of that, and went on to become the modern state of Brunswick, but that line eventually died out too (already during the German Empire).

Interstingly enough, if we go even deeper, the Welfs are just a line and not a House, too, the junior line of Italian House Este. However, that split is literally over a millenium back, and teh Este already died out in early 19th century, their lands (the Duchy of Modena) passing by dynastic marriage to a Habsburg sideline. So, the Welfs are one of the oldest dynasties of Europe, in any case.

[robertp6165]

Anyway, what do you think it would take to get just these?

Otto von Habsburg (http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=49029&highlight=Otto+von+Habsburg) actually has a claim to the British throne...as well as to those of almost all the rest of Europe.

[Max Sinister]

But he's Catholic, so he'd have to convert first.

[Susano]

Is Habsburg France feasible?

Not really. Thing is, France is not a nation of dynastcial changes. It has seen only two different Houses, the Carlingians and the Capetians. The Valois and Bourbons are just sideliens of the Capetians, after all (and the Orleans just a sideline of the Bourbons, for that matter). And the Capetians were a wide-branched family.* So short of actual conquest I cant see a Habsburg France.

In fact, accoridng to Wiki, the Capetians were just a branch of the Robertians, the other being the Babenberger (Dukes of Bavaria, later of Austria). Further Capetian Branches besides Valois and Bourbon with their respectiev sidelines were the House Evreux (Kings of Navarra), House Anjou (Counts of Provence, Kings of Sicily, neapel and Hungary), Dreux (Dukes of Britanny), Courtenay (Latin Emperors), and the Old House of Burgundy, from which the current Portuguese Royal House (and also teh former Portuguse Royal House) descants. What a family!:eek:

[robertp6165]

But he's Catholic, so he'd have to convert first.

Assuming that all events in the TL up until today remain the same, that is true. But we could posit a POD where the Act of Settlement is never passed, or is rescinded at a later date, or that England remains Catholic, or any number of others.

[Susano]

Assuming that all events in the TL up until today remain the same, that is true. But we could posit a POD where the Act of Settlement is never passed, or is rescinded at a later date, or that England remains Catholic, or any number of others.

In which case Otto gets butetrflied away.

[rcduggan]

Here you are.

I later used the idea for my Chaos TL, too.

which part of the TL? just wondering?

[Atreus]

I'm going to go out on a limb.

Tokugawa Zululand

Peron Belarus

Romanov France

Vasa Mexico

Aggripian Mongolia

Mandela Polonesia

Washington Denmark

Bourbon Madagascar

Medeci Armenia

Ptolomean Cuba

Some may be possible. Others are ridiculous. I admit it.

[maverick]

I have a Habsburg England-Scotland-Ireland in my Sol de Austria TL...

A Date shogunal house in my The Dragon Rises High TL

Ashcardinal had Charles Brandon marry Mary I of England, thus turning the House of Brandon into the reigning house of England, then making an alternate Edward VI Brandon the King of Spain as Eduardo I!
That's from the old version of Scottish Empire...

I have the House of Wittelschbach of Bavaria as Electors Palatine in that first timeline too...

How about a Bizantine dynasty ruling Russia? or a Romanov Korea under a puppet Grand Duke?

[sunsurf]

The Boston Brahmins. :D

For some reason a group of Buddhists from India wind up in New England in the 18th century, and become the ruling class there...

The Brandenburg concertos were written by JS Bach, so...Bach Brandenburg.

From Wikipedia:

Bach's best-known orchestral works are the Brandenburg concertos, so named because he submitted them in the hope of gaining employment from Margrave Christian Ludwig of Brandenburg-Schwedt in 1721

Beethoven Saxony
Brahms Hamburg
Mozart Denmark
Liszt Transylvania

I'm trying to think of a place name which rhymes with the name of a composer...

Konstantin Tsiolkovski takes charge of Russia, or maybe just the Ukraine, or Turkey.

A Chinese person with the surname of Oh, gets control of Canada so we'd have Oh Canada. :D

Some sports teams might work--Florida Marlins; a family named Marlin gets control of Florida.

Pittsburgh Pirates--a group of pirates retires wealthy and emigrate to Pittsburgh.

San Diego Padres.

I wonder what sports team this would work for--Atlanta Braves?

[NapoleonXIV]

King George (Washington) IV of England.

The Roosevelt of the Netherlands and New Amsterdam.


Nordic Ukraine.

....

An Irish King of England.

Ukraine IS Nordic, the original Novgorad/Kievan Rus were founded by Swedish Vikings, or rather, the Rus asked the Swedish Vikings to rule them, didn't they?

[NapoleonXIV]

King John Kennedy I of Poland

Kennedy lives, butterflies end the Cold War in the latter part of his second term. Kennedy, trading somewhat on his relation to Polish royalty through the Bouviers, becomes an eminence gris after his Presidency, instrumental in ending the Soviet Union and elevating Poland to a position of prominence in the new Eastern Europe. The new Polish Constitution makes any relative of royalty eligible for the elective kingship and the US Congress passes a special act allowing Kennedy to both accept the signal honor and keep his American citizenship.

[TotrueTufaar]

Ukraine IS Nordic, the original Novgorad/Kievan Rus were founded by Swedish Vikings, or rather, the Rus asked the Swedish Vikings to rule them, didn't they?
That was my point. A Norwegian Viking lived their until he headed back to attempt to usurp the Norwegian throne.

[TotrueTufaar]

But he's Catholic, so he'd have to convert first.
I believe he, along with most Prussians and North Germans, was Protestant. The Bavarians and Austrians were the Catholics. He had a Kulturkampf policy

[Susano]

I believe he, along with most Prussians and North Germans, was Protestant. The Bavarians and Austrians were the Catholics. He had a Kulturkampf policy


You realise that was about Otto von Habsburg, yes?

[The Mists Of Time]

Seriously, weird and interesting as they might be, how plausible really is it that White, Christian, European Royalty would really sanction and accept intermarriage of one of its own with non-White, non-Christian Royalty from another part of the world?

In the case of Royal Houses that were Catholic such as France or Spain, I'm sure The Catholic Church would have serious objections.

Can you really imagine The King of England or France with a Queen who is a Black African or Middle Eastern Muslim? Can you really imagine the Tsar of Russia with a Tsarina who is a Chinese or Japanese princess who follows Shintoism and Buddism? The Kaiser of Germany with an Indian Hindu princess as his wife and Queen?

I'm not sure how the Royal Houses of any of The Scandinavian countries would feel about it.

Also, would their subjects accept that, how would the people in those countries feel about it?

So yes these "weird Royal Houses" are interesting to consider, but I wonder if any of them would have really been possible and how well they would really have worked out.

[Susano]

It could be possible the other way round, though: Personal unions as a form of colonisation. In a way, that happened even in at least one incident, Queen Victoria (was her, wasnt it?) being crowned Empress of India, but that was more of a post factum statement.

[Douglas]

Bourbon England, Stuart Spain, Hohenzollern France, Medici Prussia, and Hapsburg Sweden would be interesting.

[Sgt Detritus]

Otto von Habsburg (http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=49029&highlight=Otto+von+Habsburg) actually has a claim to the British throne...as well as to those of almost all the rest of Europe.

It could also be argued that as the senior remaining Hapsburg he also has a vague claim to the throne of Mexico

[arctic warrior]

I'm going to go out on a limb.

Washington Denmark

Some may be possible. Others are ridiculous. I admit it.

No all impossible - during the Revolutionary War Denmark had to follow British rules and not sell armaments to the Americans. That made for the Bergen incident during the war in september 1779 when two British ships being taken by an American privateer went into Bergen, Norway and Britain demanded Danish authorities have the British ships turned over. That being done the Americans held a grudge against Denmark until the 1820'ies.
Here's your POD, TLs to be developed...:D

[Max Sinister]

I believe he, along with most Prussians and North Germans, was Protestant. The Bavarians and Austrians were the Catholics. He had a Kulturkampf policy


Now you're talking about Bismarck. I was referring to Otto von Habsburg.

[sunsurf]

Bach Iraq.

I was looking for a rhyme for Beethoven; I thought there was some German/Swiss place ending in -oven, but I couldn't find one. Maybe I was thinking of a personal name (other than Beethoven) with that ending.

Sea captain George Vancouver, who Vancouver Island/City was named after, goes into politics and British Colombia becomes independent, so you'd have...

Vancouver British Colombia.

[Wendell]

The House of Kalākaua (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Kal%C4%81kaua) rules California. I may write such a TL at some point, but essentially, California manages to become independent of Mexico without joining the U.S., and comes to be ruled as an Empire under Joshua Norton. Gradually, this new ruling house comes to be integrated with that of Hawai'i.

[Sgt Detritus]

The House of Kalākaua (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Kal%C4%81kaua) rules California. I may write such a TL at some point, but essentially, California manages to become independent of Mexico without joining the U.S., and comes to be ruled as an Empire under Joshua Norton. Gradually, this new ruling house comes to be integrated with that of Hawai'i.

How on earth would Norton become the actual Emperor of California rather than being treated like the complet headcase he undoubtedly was OTL??

[Wendell]

How on earth would Norton become the actual Emperor of California rather than being treated like the complet headcase he undoubtedly was OTL??

California becomes independent as a result of adventurers from the U.S. still moving west, but Texas staying independent. Along the way the young country experiences political problems, and the "Emperor" emerges to unite the country. However, he is largely a figurehead, for the real power will rest with his chancellor.

[Hapsburg]

the complet headcase he undoubtedly was OTL??
Norton wasn't insane OTL. He was just a bit eccentric.
And let's face it- who doesn't want to be an emperor?

[Wendell]

Norton wasn't insane OTL. He was just a bit eccentric.
And let's face it- who doesn't want to be an emperor?

George Washington:p

[Hapsburg]

Meh. I think he might have held some desires for power like that.

He just thought it wasn't what the people needed. Which he put as a higher priority than his personal ambition.

[Hapsburg]

Sailic Law, anyone? :p
Ah, but, that is just Royal France.
It doesn't apply to Imperial France...:D

[Ridwan Asher]

How about Osmanli Russia ? :D

[Sgt Detritus]

Norton wasn't insane OTL. He was just a bit eccentric.

Was he rich enough to be eccentric??

[htgriffin]

I once had a thought about the Portugese importing one of the Awenekongo's kin rather than be annexxed by Spain (they think him a puppet, but he learns fast and soon inherit's the throne of the Kongo as well).

Also, Courland keeps it's colony in West Africa and an anti-Russian faction relocate's there along with a Kettler byblow to take up the name Duke of Courland, Duke on the Gambia.

HTG

[Berra]

Some country making non-humans kings. Cats? Dogs?

[Fire God]

Bargrationi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bagrationi) Georgia: :D
Confederate Victory but later most of the states becomes independent. The exiled aristocracy of the now annexed Georgian Kingdom immigrate to Savannah, gain popularity and become rules of New Georgia.

[Tocomocho]

The Incamings of Peru and the Mingcas of China.

Basically Zheng He discovers America and the surviving Mings go for expeditions in the New World. However, the massive untrained armies of Chinese peasants cannot beat massive untrained armies of Quechua peasants and the war against the Inca Empire ends in a Chinese withdrawal with an exchange of sisters between the Inca and the Chinese Emperor, leading the brotherhood of both empires.

[Nekromans]

The Incamings of Peru and the Mingcas of China.

Basically Zheng He discovers America and the surviving Mings go for expeditions in the New World. However, the massive untrained armies of Chinese peasants cannot beat massive untrained armies of Quechua peasants and the war against the Inca Empire ends in a Chinese withdrawal with an exchange of sisters between the Inca and the Chinese Emperor, leading the brotherhood of both empires.

You do realise that the meta-names you have say "Incoming Minger"?

[demonkangaroo]

The Adams dynasty of New England
The Bourbon dynasty of Quebec
The Orange dynasty of Nieu Netherlands
The Stuart dynasty of Virginia-Carolina
The Iturbide dynasty of the Empire of Mexico
The Adams Family, Dotdodot! Snap snap! dootdootoot! dootdoo!
Oh... differant family....

[general_tiu]

Romanov Poland....

[Tocomocho]

You do realise that the meta-names you have say "Incoming Minger"?

Can I ask what "minger" exactly means? :o

[Analytical Engine]

Jagellion Japan!

[Dathi THorfinnsson]

Hmmm... How about Rielist Rupertsland?

Louis Riel succeeds and starts a dynasty.

[Nekromans]

Can I ask what "minger" exactly means? :o

Ugly girl. Tawantinsuyu contact with China results in an ugly girl heading for you!

[Douglas]

Ugly girl. Tawantinsuyu contact with China results in an ugly girl heading for you!

Makes sense to me.

Plantaganet Ethiopia?

[htgriffin]

Romanov Poland....Had it OTL, look up the Congress Kingdom

HTG

[demonkangaroo]

Romanov Poland....
lets take that a step further, and say, uh, romanov england or france.

[Nekromans]

Well, I've been thinking.

*AH.COM runs for cover*

A Bosworth Victory for Richard would mean that Elizabeth of York didn't marry Henry Tudor, who would most likely be dead either during or immediately after the battle. So then... Richard dies with no heir, and Edward takes the reigns, and Elizabeth is married to Philip the Handsome (of Burgundian Inheritance fame)... Edward dies with no heir... and in a generation, the House of Habsburg would be on the British throne, with most of OTL German and Spanish history butterflied out of existence by no Charles V.

England would be a domain of the Burgundian Habsburgs, in other words, and in union with Austria.

Oh, that sounds so awesome...

[fortyseven]

Well, I've been thinking.

*AH.COM runs for cover*

A Bosworth Victory for Richard would mean that Elizabeth of York didn't marry Henry Tudor, who would most likely be dead either during or immediately after the battle. So then... Richard dies with no heir, and Edward takes the reigns, and Elizabeth is married to Philip the Handsome (of Burgundian Inheritance fame)... Edward dies with no heir... and in a generation, the House of Habsburg would be on the British throne, with most of OTL German and Spanish history butterflied out of existence by no Charles V.

England would be a domain of the Burgundian Habsburgs, in other words, and in union with Austria.

Oh, that sounds so awesome...

That is super cool. Write it up!

[Tegytsgurb]

Well, if we are looking for 'just' weirdest, I think Romanov New England is a good bet, although Anjou Ethiopia or Plantagenet Vietnam, or something like that could be cool...

If we are looking for at least 'semi-plausible';), I am partial to Victorian CSA (Britain wins the war for them) or Romanov Oregon (Russia goes beyond Siberia, I will have a timeline on this at somepoint, I promise).

[Keenir]

Armenian dynasty in Britain.

Khedival dynasts setting up shop in Mexico (they did try helping Mexico in OTL - this just goes an extra step)

[Atreus]

How on earth would Norton become the actual Emperor of California rather than being treated like the complet headcase he undoubtedly was OTL??

Treated like a headcase? He was probably condescended, but the people liked him. San Francisco funded his wardrobe, he got a lifetime pass for a riverboat company, the state legistature followed his advice in one instance, and his "currency" was treated as legal tender.

[Matthais Corvinus]

Treated like a headcase? He was probably condescended, but the people liked him. San Francisco funded his wardrobe, he got a lifetime pass for a riverboat company, the state legistature followed his advice in one instance, and his "currency" was treated as legal tender.

The man was an institution, a very good street performer who probably drove more business than it cost the state and assorted businesses in upkeep.

[Thande]

The man was an institution, a very good street performer who probably drove more business than it cost the state and assorted businesses in upkeep.

Pretty much like any genuine royal, in fact :D

[sunsurf]

Good question for Trivial Pursuit: (I don't know the answer)

What was the legislation that the legislature followed Norton's advice on?

More odd dynasties:

Inca Nunavut
Xocoyotzin Hawaii

(Xocoyotzin was another of Montezuma's names, according to wikipedia)

Zulu Tenochtitlan
Kalākaua Zululand
Iturbide Antarctica
Chakri India
Chakri Hawaii
Hapsburg Brazil
Hapsburg India
Brangaza India
Brangaza Nunavut
Brangaza Tenochtitlan
Brangaza Tawantinsuyu

[rcduggan]

Capetian Tonga.
Fatimid Papal States
Solomonic Texas
Wattasid Mongolia
Sayfawa Thailand.

[ImperialVienna]

Habsburg France
Habsburg Greece
Habsburg Serbia
Habsburg Russia
Habsburg Pennsylvania (my personal favorite)
Tudor Austria
Tudor Germany
Tudor America
Valois Germany
Valois Mexico
Wittelsbach Brazil
Windsor Norway
Windsor India

[Susano]

Okay, I think we have understood now that the generic formula is <random house> <random country/territory>. We get it. Now enough of that, everybody can do that...

[Matthais Corvinus]

If we're talking about strange dynasties, then one must talk about the recent accession of Henry Khan to the position of heir apparent to the English throne. The accession is ironic, what with the pivotal role that the English played in the end of the Tartar Emperors, but the English royals seem to have had a fascination with their long-defeated foes, and now with Henry IX's only son dead, and only his nieces' descendants available, it appears that the Khans will finally achieve what no fleet was ever able to do.