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Gamingboy
April 9th, 2004, 02:34 PM
Many of you horror fans may already have this book. It's called "The Zombie Survival Guide" by Max Brooks. It can be found in most humor sections in bookstores like Borders and Barnes& Noble. Basically, it's a lampoon of the "Worst-Case Scenario" books.

You could call it a cross-time book, because it takes place in a alternate universe where Zombification occurs from a virus called Solanum. Nobody knows how it got to earth, but it is a virus that kills a Human being then reanimates them. Like most zombies, the zombified ones can only die from a blow to the head, although they can be mutilated to the point where ONLY there head survives. These are the "classic" zombies of Low-budget lumbering fame. The book has to do with what weapons should be chosen (Hint: Don't use anything that wastes too much ammo but won't deliever a head shot), where you should hide (Hint: high, very, very high, Zombies don't have good enough motor skills to climb stairs or ladders), how you should move (Hint: Don't use motor vehicles, use bikes instead), How to organize survivors to battle back the Zombies and how to survive in a completely zombified world.

The best part, however, is a appendix of recorded Zombie attacks. From the Ancient Egyptians (There's a reason they removed brains from Pharaohs..) to to the Zombie that washed ashore in St. Thomas US Virgin Islands, which brought tourist fame to the island. In between there are stories of Japanese WWII experiments to use Zombies as a terror weapon against America, Zombies that nearly caused a Chernobyl incident in China (They were only stopped by the Chinese Military), The 1960 incident in the USSR when the Soviet military nuked the Small Town of Byelgoransk because of a Zombie outbreak, How in 1996 a Film crew in Siberia sent to do a documentary on a Frozen cossack and a Sabre tooth tiger discovered that the Cossack was a zombie, frozen from time. Also included are tales of the experiences of Marco Polo, Feudal Japan's campaign against the ghouls and an incident where there were 3 Zombie sightings around the LA area in 1994.

I highly reccommend this book. Even if you don't watch Zombie Movies (like me, I hate gorey movies), you'll love this book. Which, to my knowledge, is one of few reference books taking place in alternate timelines.

Remember, if you shoot the head, the ghoul is dead.

Diamond
April 9th, 2004, 03:04 PM
I've been hyping this book on this board and others for a few months now. It is indeed an outstanding read. :)

Most of the 'what to do' scenarios are so in-depth and plausible that they actually seem like they would work...

BTW, Max Brooks is apparently Mel Brooks' son. Its good to see demented humor runs in the family.

Gamingboy
April 9th, 2004, 03:12 PM
Yeah, the book is very serious, but it's so serious it's dementedly funny.

Gamingboy
April 9th, 2004, 08:25 PM
By the way, I think this book would make a nice Mockumentary movie.

Gedca
May 8th, 2004, 04:36 AM
The best part, however, is a appendix of recorded Zombie attacks. From the Ancient Egyptians (There's a reason they removed brains from Pharaohs..) to to the Zombie that washed ashore in St. Thomas US Virgin Islands, which brought tourist fame to the island. In between there are stories of Japanese WWII experiments to use Zombies as a terror weapon against America, Zombies that nearly caused a Chernobyl incident in China (They were only stopped by the Chinese Military), The 1960 incident in the USSR when the Soviet military nuked the Small Town of Byelgoransk because of a Zombie outbreak, How in 1996 a Film crew in Siberia sent to do a documentary on a Frozen cossack and a Sabre tooth tiger discovered that the Cossack was a zombie, frozen from time. Also included are tales of the experiences of Marco Polo, Feudal Japan's campaign against the ghouls and an incident where there were 3 Zombie sightings around the LA area in 1994.


Reading that part makes me wonder how history could have gone the same way it did in OTL when there are zombie outbreaks. At the very least it would have a huge impact on religion.

Doctor What
May 8th, 2004, 05:12 AM
Reading that part makes me wonder how history could have gone the same way it did in OTL when there are zombie outbreaks. At the very least it would have a huge impact on religion.

*Ahem*

Thy wish is granted.

http://www.fvza.org/

Flocculencio
May 8th, 2004, 07:09 AM
In the spirit of this thread, has anyone watched Shaun of the dead yet?

Sidhetrilogy
May 8th, 2005, 04:11 PM
Shaun of the dead was the greatest movie.. i liked dawn of teh dead too, but teh origional was so much better.. :p

Sidhetrilogy
May 8th, 2005, 04:20 PM
regarding Byelgoransk, we've seen these types of things all throughout history... government cover-ups... they dont want us to know about these types of things because we "cant handle it". I'm a true believer of zombies, and theres nothing out there that'll change my mind.. i've been studying zombie accounts for almost 5 years now... and i'm only 16... i saw my first zombie film when i was 8 and ever since i've been hooked...

solanum i believe to be real, i've seen it in quite a few ancient medical texts. and although it causes humans to reanimate it can also be contracted by animals as well, though they dont reanimate... its a rare disease, like lepracy, or elephantitus. Theres fossilized record of Solanum...

Regarding my obsession with the undead:: Does anyone know where I can find Shaun of the Dead or Dawn Of the Dead movie poster? I've been looking for months at every theater and music store for them and i have yet to find them... Any information on this would help a great deal.... E-bay is a likely place but i dont trust online hosts with my credit card account...

Thanks all.

Romulus Augustulus
May 8th, 2005, 04:34 PM
The Zombie Survival Guide is good fun, but zombieism is biologically impossible. Why? Biologically at least, death is final. The closest thing to zombieism possible would be a mutant strain of rabies...but I digress. Reanimation of the dead is completely impossible. Despite this, the government probably has a good number of contingency plans for such an eventuality.

Thande
May 8th, 2005, 05:40 PM
Never say impossible when it comes to science. ;)

Has anyone read the accompanying 'Dalek Survival Guide'?

Sidhetrilogy
May 8th, 2005, 09:59 PM
Biologicly impossible maybe,... but explain to me then why people who've been pronounced dead suddenly come back to life (not as zombies) and not like coma state either... i've seen cases of this so many time before i've lost count.... but thats just me thats my opinion, i;m not gonna pressure anyone to believe that they are real but to me zombies are as real as dirt. :p

Thande
May 8th, 2005, 10:06 PM
As I said before, it doesn't matter whether you're creationist or evolutionist: when it comes to biology, there is no such thing as impossible.

It also depends on how you define death, of course.

Diamond
May 8th, 2005, 10:27 PM
Biologicly impossible maybe,... but explain to me then why people who've been pronounced dead suddenly come back to life (not as zombies) and not like coma state either... i've seen cases of this so many time before i've lost count.... but thats just me thats my opinion, i;m not gonna pressure anyone to believe that they are real but to me zombies are as real as dirt. :p
I know how you feel. I get the same reaction from people when I try to tell them about the evil dwarves from the Horseshoe Nebula that live under my kitchen floor.

People need to be more open-minded.

Thande
May 8th, 2005, 10:43 PM
Not you as well! They claimed to be only passing through - it must be cover for an invasion! :eek:

Sidhetrilogy
May 9th, 2005, 12:15 AM
Dont you love sarcasim. :)

Roedecker
May 9th, 2005, 12:18 AM
For anyone who is interested, here's an excerpt from the book:

THE UNDEAD: MYTHS AND REALITIES

He comes from the grave, his body a home of worms and filth. No life in his eyes, no warmth of his skin, no beating of his breast. His soul, as empty and dark as the night sky. He laughs at the blade, spits at the arrow, for they will not harm his flesh. For eternity, he will walk the earth, smelling the sweet blood of the living, feasting upon the bones of the damned. Beware, for he is the living dead. — Obscure Hindu text, circa 1000 B.C.E

ZOM-BIE: (Zom'be) n. also ZOM-BIES pl. 1. An animated corpse that feeds on living human flesh. 2. A voodoo spell that raises the dead. 3. A Voodoo snake god. 4. One who moves or acts in a daze "like a zombie." [a word of West African origin]

What is a zombie? How are they created? What are their strengths and weaknesses? What are their needs, their desires? Why are they hostile to humanity? Before discussing any survival techniques, you must first learn what you are trying to survive. We must begin by separating fact from fiction. The walking dead are neither a work of "black magic" nor any other supernatural force. Their origin stems from a virus known as Solanum, a Latin word used by Jan Vanderhaven, who first "discovered" the disease.

SOLANUM: THE VIRUS

Solanum works by traveling through the bloodstream, from the initial point of entry to the brain. Through means not yet fully understood, the virus uses the cells of the frontal lobe for replication, destroying them in the process. During this period, all bodily functions cease. By stopping the heart, the infected subject is rendered "dead." The brain, however, remains alive but dormant, while the virus mutates its cells into a completely new organ. The most critical trait of this new organ is its independence from oxygen. By removing the need for this allimportant resource, the undead brain can utilize, but is in no way dependent upon, the complex support mechanism of the human body. Once mutation is complete, this new organ reanimates the body into a form that bears little resemblance (physiologically speaking) to the original corpse. Some bodily functions remain constant, others operate in a modified capacity, and the remainder shut down completely. This new organism is a zombie, a member of the living dead.

1. SOURCE

Unfortunately, extensive research has yet to find an isolated example of Solanum in nature. Water, air, and soil in all ecosystems, from all parts of the world, have turned up negative, as have their accompanying flora and fauna. At the time of this writing, the search continues.

2. SYMPTOMS

The timetable below outlines the process of an infected human (give or take several hours, depending on the individual). Hour 1:Pain and discoloration (brown-purple) of the infected area. Immediate clotting of the wound (provided the infection came from a wound). Hour 5: Fever (99–103 degrees F), chills, slight dementia, vomiting, acute pain in the joints. Hour 8: Numbing of extremities and infected area, increased fever (103–106 degrees F), increased dementia, loss of muscular coordination. Hour 11: Paralysis in the lower body, overall numbness, slowed heart rate.

Hour 16: Coma.

Hour 20: Heart stoppage. Zero brain activity.

Hour 23: Reanimation.

3. TRANSFERENCE

Solanum is 100 percent communicable and 100 percent fatal. Fortunately for the human race, the virus is neither waterborne nor airborne. Humans have never been known to contract the virus from elements in nature. Infection can occur only through direct fluidic contact. A zombie bite, although by far the most recognizable means of transference, is by no means the only one. Humans have been infected by brushing their open wounds against those of a zombie or by being splattered by its remains after an explosion. Ingestion of infected flesh (provided the person has no open mouth sores), however, results in permanent death rather than infection. Infected flesh has proven to be highly toxic. No information—historical, experimental, or otherwise—has surfaced regarding the results of sexual relations with an undead specimen, but as previously noted, the nature of Solanum suggests a high danger of infection. Warning against such an act would be useless, as the only people deranged enough to try would be unconcerned for their own safety. Many have argued that, given the congealed nature of undead bodily fluids, the chances of infection from a non-bite contact should be low. However, it must be remembered that even one organism is enough to begin the cycle.

4. CROSS-SPECIES INFECTION

Solanum is fatal to all living creatures, regardless of size, species, or ecosystem. Reanimation, however, takes place only in humans. Studies have shown that Solanum infecting a non-human brain will die within hours of the death of its host, making the carcass safe to handle. Infected animals expire before the virus can replicate throughout their bodies. Infection from insect bites such as from mosquitoes can also be discounted. Experiments have proven that all parasitic insects can sense and will reject an infected host 100 percent of the time.

5. TREATMENT

Once a human is infected, little can be done to save him or her. Because Solanum is a virus and not a bacteria, antibiotics have no effect. Immunization, the only way to combat a virus, is equally useless, as even the most minute dosage will lead to a full-blown infection. Genetic research is under way. Goals range from stronger human antibodies to resistant cell structure to a counter-virus designed to identify and destroy Solanum. This and other, more radical treatments are still in the earliest stages, with no foreseeable success in the near future. Battlefield experiences have led to the immediate severing of the infected limb (provided this is the location of the bite), but such treatments are dubious at best, with less than a 10 percent success rate. Chances are, the infected human was doomed from the moment the virus entered his or her system. Should the infected human choose suicide, he should remember that the brain must be eliminated first. Cases have been recorded in which recently infected subjects, deceased by means other than the virus, will nonetheless reanimate. Such cases usually occur when the subject expires after the fifth hour of infection. Regardless, any person killed after being bitten or otherwise infected by the undead should be immediately disposed of.

6. REANIMATING THE ALREADY DECEASED

It has been suggested that fresh human corpses could reanimate if Solanum were introduced after their demise. This is a fallacy. Zombies ignore necrotic flesh and therefore could not transfer the virus. Experiments conducted during and after World War II (see "Recorded Attacks," pages 216ff) have proven that injecting Solanum into a cadaver would be futile because a stagnant bloodstream could not transport the virus to the brain. Injection directly into a dead brain would be equally useless, as the expired cells could not respond to the virus. Solanum does not create life—it alters it.

ZOMBIE ATTRIBUTES

1. PHYSICAL ABILITIES

Too often, the undead have been said to possess superhuman powers: unusual strength, lightning speed, telepathy, etc. Stories range from zombies flying through the air to their scaling vertical surfaces like spiders. While these traits might make for fascinating drama, the individual ghoul is far from a magical, omnipotent demon. Never forget that the body of the undead is, for all practical purposes, human. What changes do occur are in the way this new, reanimated body is used by the now-infected brain. There is no way a zombie could fly unless the human it used to be could fly. The same goes for projecting force fields, teleportation, moving through solid objects, transforming into a wolf, breathing fire, or a variety of other mystical talents attributed to the walking dead. Imagine the human body as a tool kit. The somnambulist brain has those tools, and only those tools, at its disposal. It cannot create new ones out of thin air. But it can, as you will see, use these tools in unconventional combinations, or push their durability beyond normal human limits.

A. Sight

The eyes of a zombie are no different than those of a normal human. While still capable (given their rate of decomposition) of transmitting visual signals to the brain, how the brain interprets these signals is another matter. Studies are inconclusive regarding the undead’s visual abilities. They can spot prey at distances comparable to a human, but whether they can distinguish a human from one of their own is still up for debate. One theory suggests that the movements made by humans, which are quicker and smoother than those of the undead, is what causes them to stand out to the zombie eye. Experiments have been done in which humans have attempted to confuse approaching ghouls by mimicking their motions and adopting a shambling, awkward limp. To date, none of these attempts have succeeded. It has been suggested that zombies possess night vision, a fact that explains their skill at nocturnal hunting. This theory has been debunked by the fact that all zombies are expert night feeders, even those without eyes.

B. Sound

There is no question that zombies have excellent hearing. Not only can they detect sound—they can determine its direction. The basic range appears to be the same as that for humans. Experiments with extreme high and low frequencies have yielded negative results. Tests have also shown that zombies are attracted by any sounds, not just those made by living creatures. It has been recorded that ghouls will notice sounds ignored by living humans. The most likely, if unproven, explanation is that zombies depend on all their senses equally. Humans are sightoriented from birth, depending on other senses only if the primary one is lost. Perhaps this is not a handicap shared by the walking dead. If so, it would explain their ability to hunt, fight, and feed in total darkness.

C. Smell

Unlike with sound, the undead have a more acute sense of smell. In both combat situations and laboratory tests, they have been able to distinguish the smell of living prey above all others. In many cases, and given ideal wind conditions, zombies have been known to smell fresh corpses from a distance of more than a mile. Again, this does not mean that ghouls have a greater sense of smell than humans, simply that they rely on it more. It is not known exactly what particular secretion signals the presence of prey: sweat, pheromones, blood, etc. In the past, people seeking to move undetected through infested areas have attempted to "mask" their human scent with perfumes, deodorants, or other strong-smelling chemicals. None were successful. Experiments are now under way to synthesize the smells of living creatures as a decoy or even repellent to the walking dead. A successful product is still years away.

D. Taste

Little is known about the altered taste buds of the walking dead. Zombies do have the ability to tell human flesh apart from that of animals, and they prefer the former. Ghouls also have a remarkable ability to reject carrion in favor of freshly killed meat. A human body that has been dead longer than twelve to eighteen hours will be rejected as food. The same goes for cadavers that have been embalmed or otherwise preserved. Whether this has anything to do with "taste" is not yet certain. It may have to do with smell or, perhaps, another instinct that has not been discovered. As to exactly why human flesh is preferable, science has yet to find an answer to this confounding, frustrating, terrifying question.

E. Touch

Zombies have, literally, no physical sensations. All nerve receptors throughout the body remain dead after reanimation. This is truly their greatest and most terrifying advantage over the living. We, as humans, have the ability to experience physical pain as a signal of bodily damage. Our brain classifies such sensations, matches them to the experience that instigated them, and then files the information away for use as a warning against future harm. It is this gift of physiology and instinct that has allowed us to survive as a species. It is why we value virtues such as courage, which inspires people to perform actions despite warnings of danger. The inability to recognize and avoid pain is what makes the walking dead so formidable. Wounds will not be noticed and, therefore, will not deter an attack. Even if a zombie’s body is severely damaged, it will continue to attack until nothing remains.

F. Sixth Sense

Historical research, coupled with laboratory and field observation, have shown that the walking dead have been known to attack even when all their sensory organs have been damaged or completely decomposed. Does this mean that zombies possess a sixth sense? Perhaps. Living humans use less than 5 percent of their brain capacity. It is possible that the virus can stimulate another sensory ability that has been forgotten by evolution. This theory is one of the most hotly debated in the war against the undead. So far, no scientific evidence has been found to support either side.

G. Healing

Despite legends and ancient folklore, undead physiology has been proven to possess no powers of regeneration. Cells that are damaged stay damaged. Any wounds, no matter what their size and nature, will remain for the duration of that body’s reanimation. A variety of medical treatments have been attempted to stimulate the healing process in captured ghouls. None were successful. This inability to self-repair, something that we as living beings take for granted, is a severe disadvantage to the undead. For example, every time we physically exert ourselves, we tear our muscles. With time, these muscles rebuild to a stronger state than before. A ghoul’s muscle mass will remain damaged, reducing its effectiveness every time it is used.

H. Decomposition

The average zombie "life span"—how long it is able to function before completely rotting away—is estimated at three to five years. As fantastic as this sounds—a human corpse able to ward off the natural effects of decay—its cause is rooted in basic biology. When a human body dies, its flesh is immediately set upon by billions of microscopic organisms.

These organisms were always present, in the external environment and within the body itself. In life, the immune system stood as a barrier between these organisms and their target. In death, that barrier is removed. The organisms begin multiplying exponentially as they proceed to eat and, thereby, break down the corpse on a cellular level. The smell and discoloration associated with any decaying meat are the biological process of these microbes at work. When you order an "aged" steak, you are ordering a piece of meat that has begun to rot, its formerly toughened flesh softened by microorganisms breaking down its sturdy fiber.

Within a short time, that steak, like a human corpse, will dissolve to nothing, leaving behind only material too hard or innutritious for any microbe, such as bone, teeth, nails, and hair. This is the normal cycle of life, nature’s way of recycling nutrients back into the food chain. To halt this process, and preserve dead tissue, it is necessary to place it in an environment unsuitable for bacteria, such as in extreme low or high temperatures, in toxic chemicals such as formaldehyde, or, in this case, to saturate it with Solanum. Almost all the microbe species involved in normal human decomposition have repeatedly rejected flesh infected by the virus, effec- tively embalming the zombie. Were this not the case, combating the living dead would be as easy as avoiding them for several weeks or even days until they rotted away to bones.

Research has yet to discover the exact cause of this condition. It has been determined that at least some microbe species ignore the repelling effects of Solanum—otherwise, the undead would remain perfectly preserved forever. It has also been determined that natural conditions such as moisture and temperature play an important role as well. Undead that prowl the bayous of Louisiana are unlikely to last as long as those in the cold, dry Gobi desert. Extreme situations, such as deep freezing or immersion in preservative fluid, could, hypothetically, allow an undead specimen to exist indefinitely. These techniques have been known to allow zombies to function for decades, if not centuries.

Decomposition does not mean that a member of the walking dead will simply drop. Decay may affect various parts of the body at different times. Specimens have been found with brains intact but nearly disintegrated bodies. Others with partially rotted brains may control some bodily functions but be completely paralyzed in others. A popular theory has recently circulated that attempts to explain the story of the ancient Egyptian mummy as one of the first examples of an embalmed zombie. The preservation techniques allowed it to function several thousand years after being entombed. Anyone with a rudimentary knowledge of ancient Egypt would find this story almost laughably untrue: The most important and complicated step in preparing a pharaoh for burial was the removal of the brain!

I. Digestion

Recent evidence has once and for all discounted the theory that human flesh is the fuel for the undead. A zombie’s digestive tract is completely dormant. The complex system that processes food, extracts nutrition, and excretes waste does not factor into a zombie’s physiology. Autopsies conducted on neutralized undead have shown that their "food" lies in its original, undigested state at all sections of the tract. This partially chewed, slowly rotting matter will continue to accumulate, as the zombie devours more victims, until it is forced through the anus, or literally bursts through the stomach or intestinal lining. While this more dramatic example of non-digestion is rare, hundreds of eyewitness reports have confirmed undead to have distended bellies. One captured and dissected specimen was found to contain 211 pounds of flesh within its system! Even rarer accounts have confirmed that zombies continue to feed long after their digestive tracts have exploded from within.

J. Respiration

The lungs of the undead continue to function in that they draw air into and expel it from the body. This function accounts for a zombie’s signature moan. What the lungs and body chemistry fail to accomplish, however, is to extract oxygen and remove carbon dioxide. Given that Solanum obviates the need for both of these functions, the entire human respiratory system is obsolete in the body of a ghoul. This explains how the living dead can "walk underwater" or survive in environments lethal to humans. Their brains, as noted earlier, are oxygenindependent.

K. Circulation

It would be inaccurate to say that zombies have no heart. It would not be inaccurate, however, to say that they find no use for it. The circulatory system of the undead is little more than a network of useless tubes filled with congealed blood. The same applies to the lymphatic system as well as all other bodily fluids. Although this mutation would appear to give the undead one more advantage over humanity, it has actually proved to be a godsend. The lack of fluid mass prevents easy transmission of the virus. Were this not true, hand-to-hand combat would be nearly impossible, as the defending human would almost certainly be splattered with blood and/or other fluids.

L. Reproduction

Zombies are sterile creatures. Their sexual organs are necrotic and impotent. Attempts have been made to fertilize zombie eggs with human sperm and vice versa. None has been successful. The undead have also shown no signs of sexual desire, either for their own species or for the living. Until research can prove otherwise, humanity’s greatest fear—the dead reproducing the dead—is a comforting impossibility.

M. Strength

Ghouls possess the same brute force as the living. What power can be exerted depends greatly on the individual zombie. What muscle mass a person has in life would be all he possesses in death. Unlike a living body, adrenal glands have not been known to function in the dead, denying zombies the temporary burst of power we humans enjoy. The one solid advantage the living dead do possess is amazing stamina. Imagine working out, or any other act of physical exertion. Chances are that pain and exhaustion will dictate your limits. These factors do not apply to the dead. They will continue an act, with the same dynamic energy, until the muscles supporting it literally disintegrate. While this makes for progressively weaker ghouls, it allows for an allpowerful first attack. Many barricades that would have exhausted three or even four physically fit humans have fallen to a single determined zombie.

N. Speed

The "walking" dead tend to move at a slouch or limp. Even without injuries or advanced decomposition, their lack of coordination makes for an unsteady stride. Speed is mainly determined by leg length. Taller ghouls have longer strides than their shorter counterparts. Zombies appear to be incapable of running. The fastest have been observed to move at a rate of barely one step per 1.5 seconds. Again, as with strength, the dead’s advantage over the living is their tirelessness. Humans who believe they have outrun their undead pursuers might do well to remember the story of the tortoise and the hare, adding, of course, that in this instance the hare stands a good chance of being eaten alive.

O. Agility

The average living human possesses a dexterity level 90 percent greater than the strongest ghoul. Some of this comes from the general stiffness of necrotic muscle tissue (hence their awkward stride). The rest is due to their primitive brain functions. Zombies have little handeye coordination, one of their greatest weaknesses. No one has ever observed a zombie jumping, either from one spot to another or simply up and down. Balancing on a narrow surface is similarly beyond their ability. Swimming is also a skill reserved for the living. The theory has been put forth that, if an undead corpse were to be bloated enough to rise to the surface, it could present a floating hazard. This is rare, however, as the slow rate of decomposition would not allow by-product gas to accumulate. Zombies who walk or fall into bodies of water will more likely find themselves wandering aimlessly across the bottom until eventually dissolving. They can be successful climbers, but only in certain circumstances. If zombies perceive prey above them, for example, in the second story of a house, they will always attempt to climb to it. Zombies will try to scale any surface no matter how unfeasable or even impossible. In all but the easiest situations, these attempts have met with failure. Even in the case of ladders, when simple hand-over-hand coordination is required, only one in four zombies will succeed.

2. BEHAVIORAL PATTERNS

A. Intelligence

It has been proven, time and again, that our greatest advantage over the undead is our ability to think. The mental capacity of the average zombie ranks somewhere beneath that of an insect. On no occasion have they shown any ability to reason or employ logic. Attempting to accomplish a task, failing, then by trial and error discovering a new solution, is a skill shared by many members of the animal kingdom but lost on the walking dead. Zombies have repeatedly failed laboratory intelligence tests set at the level of rodents. One field case showed a human standing at one end of a collapsed bridge with several dozen zombies on the other side. One by one, the walking dead tumbled over the edge in a futile attempt to reach him. At no time did any of them realize what was happening and change their tactics in any way. Contrary to myth and speculation, zombies have never been observed using tools of any kind. Even picking up a rock to use as a weapon is beyond their grasp. This simple task would prove the basic thought process involved in realizing that the rock is a more efficient weapon than the naked hand. Ironically, the age of artificial intelligence has enabled us to identify more easily with the mind of the zombie than that of our more "primitive" ancestors. With rare exceptions, even the most advanced computers do not have the ability to think on their own. They do what they are programmed to do, nothing more. Imagine a computer programmed to execute one function. This function cannot be paused, modified, or erased. No new data can be stored. No new commands can be installed. This computer will perform that one function, over and over, until its power source eventually shuts down. This is the zombie brain. An instinct-driven, unitask machine that is impervious to tampering and can only be destroyed.

B. Emotions

Feelings of any kind are not known to the walking dead. Every form of psychological warfare, from attempts at enraging the undead to provoking pity have all met with disaster. Joy, sadness, confidence, anxiety, love, hatred, fear—all of these feelings and thousands more that make up the human "heart" are as useless to the living dead as the organ of the same name. Who knows if this is humanity’s greatest weakness or strength? The debate continues, and probably will forever.

C. Memories

A modern conceit is that a zombie retains the knowledge of its former life. We hear stories of the dead returning to their places of residence or work, operating familiar machinery, or even showing acts of mercy to loved ones. In truth, not a shred of proof exists to support this wishful thinking. Zombies could not possibly retain memories of their former lives in either the conscious or subconscious mind, because neither exist! A ghoul will not be distracted by the family pet, living relatives, familiar surroundings, etc. No matter who a person was in his former life, that person is gone, replaced by a mindless automaton with no instinct other than for feeding. This begs the question: Why do zombies prefer urban areas to the countryside? First, the undead do not prefer cities, but simply remain where they are reanimated. Second, the main reason zombies tend to stay in cities instead of fanning out into the countryside is because an urban zone holds the highest concentration of prey.

D. Physical Needs

Other than hunger (discussed later), the dead have shown none of the physical wants or needs expressed in mortal life. Zombies have never been observed to sleep or rest under any circumstances. They have not reacted to extreme heat or cold. In harsh weather, they have never sought shelter. Even something as simple as thirst is unknown to the living dead. Defying all laws of science, Solanum has created what could be described as a completely self-sufficient organism.

E. Communication

Zombies have no language skills. Although their vocal cords are capable of speech, their brain is not. The only vocal ability appears to be a deep-throated moan. This moan is released when zombies identify prey. The sound will remain low and steady until physical contact is made. It will then shift in tone and volume as the zombie commences its attack. This eerie sound, so typically associated with the walking dead, serves as a rallying cry for other zombies and, as has been recently discovered, is a potent psychological weapon. (See "On the Defense," page 74.)

F. Social Dynamics

Theories have always proliferated that the undead function as a collective force, from an army controlled by Satan to an insect-like pheromone-driven hive to the most recent notion that they achieve group consensus by telepathy. The truth is that zombies have no social organization to speak of. There is no hierarchy, no chain of command, no drive toward any type of collectivization. A horde of the undead, regardless of size, regardless of appearance, is simply a mass of individuals. If several hundred ghouls converge on a victim’s location, it is because each one is drawn by its own instinct. Zombies appear to be unaware of one another. Individuals have never been observed to react to the sight of one another at any range.

This goes back to the question of sense: How does a zombie distinguish between one of its own and a human or other prey at the same range? The answer has yet to be found. Zombies do avoid one another in the same way they avoid inanimate objects. When they bump into one another, they make no attempt to connect or communicate. Zombies feasting on the same corpse will tug repeatedly on the meat in question rather than shove a competitor out of the way. The only suggestion of communal effort is seen in notorious swarm attacks: the moan of a ghoul calling others within earshot. Once they hear the wail, other walking dead will almost always converge on its source. An early study theorized that this was a deliberate act, that a scout used its moan to signal the others to attack. However, we now know that it happens purely by accident. The ghoul that moans at the detection of prey does so as an instinctive reaction, not as an alert.

G. Hunting

Zombies are migratory organisms, with no regard for territory or concept of home. They will travel miles and perhaps, given time, cross continents in their search for food. Their hunting pattern is random. Ghouls will feed at night and during the day. They will stumble through an area rather than deliberately searching it. Certain zones or structures will not be singled out as more likely to contain prey. For example, some have been known to search farmhouses and other rural structures while others in the same group have moved by without even a glance. Urban zones take more time to explore, which is why the undead remain longer in these areas, but no building will take precedence over another. Zombies appear to be totally unaware of their surroundings. They do not, for example, move their eyes in a way that would take in the information of a new setting. Shuffling silently, with a thousand-yard stare, they will wander aimlessly, regardless of location, until prey is detected. As discussed earlier, the undead possess an uncanny ability to home in on a victim’s precise location. Once contact is made, the previously silent, oblivious automaton transforms into something more closely related to a guided missile. The head turns immediately in the direction of its victim. The jaw drops, lips retract, and, from the depths of its diaphragm, comes the moan. Once contact is made, zombies cannot be distracted by any means. They will continue to pursue their prey, stopping only if they lose contact, make a successful kill, or are destroyed.

H. Motivation

Why do the undead prey upon the living? If it has been proven that human flesh serves no nutritional purpose, why does their instinct drive them to murder? The truth eludes us. Modern science, combined with historical data, has shown that living humans are not the only delights on the undead menu. Rescue teams entering an infested area have consistently reported them stripped of all life. Any creatures, no matter what their size or species, will be consumed by an attacking zombie. Human flesh, however, will always be preferable to other life forms. One experiment presented a captured specimen with two identical cubes of meat: one human, one animal. The zombie repeatedly chose the human. Reasons for this are still unknown. What can be confirmed, beyond any shadow of doubt, is that instinct brought on by Solanum drives the undead to kill and devour any living creature they discover. There appear to be no exceptions.

I. Killing the Dead

While destroying a zombie may be simple, it is far from easy. As we have seen, zombies require none of the physiological functions that humans need to survive. Destruction or severe damage of the circulatory, digestive, or respiratory system would do nothing to a member of the walking dead, as these functions no longer support the brain. Simply put, there are thousands of ways to kill a human— and only one to kill a zombie. The brain must be obliterated, by any means possible.

J. Disposal

Studies have shown that Solanum can still inhabit the body of a terminated zombie for up to forty-eight hours. Exercise extreme care when disposing of undead corpses. The head in particular possesses the most serious hazard, given its concentration of the virus. Never handle an undead corpse without protective clothing. Treat it as you would any toxic, highly lethal material. Cremation is the safest, most effective way of disposal. Despite rumors that a pile of burning corpses will spread Solanum in a cloud of smoking plague, common sense would dictate that any virus is unable to survive intense heat, to say nothing of an open flame.

K. Domestication?

To reiterate, the zombie brain has proved, so far, to be tamper-proof. Experiments ranging from chemicals to surgery to electromagnetic waves have yielded negative results. Behavioral modification therapy and other such attempts to train the living dead like some kind of pack animal have similarly met with failure. Again, the machine cannot be rewired. It will exist as is, or it will not exist at all.

BasilPoisoning
May 9th, 2005, 02:48 AM
The only Zombies i consider right now are Cannibals. I do not doubt thought the existance of zombies and when that day comes (in 2006) i shall uprise and lead my fellow paranoid friends to a safe havean. (sorry for the typos) :D

Sidhetrilogy
May 9th, 2005, 10:15 PM
i just happen to be one of those parinoid friends... after all you are my neighbor... :rolleyes:

what makes you think in 2006 we'll have a class 4 invasion anyways?

BasilPoisoning
May 9th, 2005, 10:17 PM
regarding Byelgoransk, we've seen these types of things all throughout history... government cover-ups... they dont want us to know about these types of things because we "cant handle it". I'm a true believer of zombies, and theres nothing out there that'll change my mind.. i've been studying zombie accounts for almost 5 years now... and i'm only 16... i saw my first zombie film when i was 8 and ever since i've been hooked...

solanum i believe to be real, i've seen it in quite a few ancient medical texts. and although it causes humans to reanimate it can also be contracted by animals as well, though they dont reanimate... its a rare disease, like lepracy, or elephantitus. Theres fossilized record of Solanum...

Regarding my obsession with the undead:: Does anyone know where I can find Shaun of the Dead or Dawn Of the Dead movie poster? I've been looking for months at every theater and music store for them and i have yet to find them... Any information on this would help a great deal.... E-bay is a likely place but i dont trust online hosts with my credit card account...

Thanks all.
Yes there have been may covers so many i knwo of that it would take me quite a while to go into thembut yes the goverment knows if they say anything society will plumit into pandmonium wich is bad for them but hey o well theres enough of us out there hacking to get some light on the subjects :D

BasilPoisoning
May 9th, 2005, 10:18 PM
i just happen to be one of those parinoid friends... after all you are my neighbor... :rolleyes:

what makes you think in 2006 we'll have a class 4 invasion anyways?
hm dont really now but i have bets on it everyone make u bets just tell me what year you think d-day will happen.

Sidhetrilogy
May 10th, 2005, 02:23 AM
d-day will happen when we elect a minority as president... :cool:

Raymann
May 10th, 2005, 03:51 AM
I'm just glad I live in the South, we got guns up the ying-yang.

Ian the Admin
May 10th, 2005, 05:31 AM
Oh great. Teenage conspiracy nuts.

BasilPoisoning
May 10th, 2005, 06:38 PM
yes ian so what if im a conspiracy nut? And right on raymann i to am a good old southern buy and im loaded with just about everything. ^_^ so they can just bring it. :D

Doctor What
May 10th, 2005, 08:15 PM
yes ian so what if im a conspiracy nut? And right on raymann i to am a good old southern buy and im loaded with just about everything. ^_^ so they can just bring it. :D

Assuming, of course, that the undead can even be destroyed with gunshots..... ;)

BurningWickerman
May 10th, 2005, 09:03 PM
I rememeber reading about cases where voodooo people in the carribean used drugs too fake someones death, then dug them up and using mind-numbing drugs used them as zombified slaves. They wake up as soon as they have salt though so they ussually end up escaping and the whole thing end sin a horrible gunfight.

BasilPoisoning
May 10th, 2005, 09:43 PM
If gun shots dont work ive got three boxes of C4 two boxes of m80's and a closet full of molvolt cokctails with there names on it.And yes there have been cases of ppl being put into a hybernation with the use of venom it cause ther heart and lungs to slow down alot makeing them feel as if dead once the body is buried then man comes back and digs him up adding more of the venom (weakened puffer fish poison) to the person wich destroys all thinking abilities and buts them in a sate of zombieism

Raymann
May 11th, 2005, 07:12 AM
guns...not...work...zombies?

So your saying if I put a 12 gauge right in their face it might not work? That goes against every movie I've seen! I've still got boxes of shells left over from the year 2000 (screw stocking up on food) :)

Diamond
May 11th, 2005, 04:41 PM
If gun shots dont work ive got three boxes of C4 two boxes of m80's and a closet full of molvolt cokctails with there names on it.And yes there have been cases of ppl being put into a hybernation with the use of venom it cause ther heart and lungs to slow down alot makeing them feel as if dead once the body is buried then man comes back and digs him up adding more of the venom (weakened puffer fish poison) to the person wich destroys all thinking abilities and buts them in a sate of zombieism
wel ive got bsabill bat an relly big skrewdover too put in theyr hedz!

Sidhetrilogy
May 11th, 2005, 08:47 PM
Im speechless... Not one for guns.. more like Machettes and Feild hockey sticks... :confused: I'd rather have a zombie slave then a bunch of rotting carcases in my back yard.. that way they can till the garden so I dont have to..



Note to self: find a voodoo preistess and get a Zombie slave..

Matt
May 11th, 2005, 10:52 PM
If gun shots dont work ive got three boxes of C4 two boxes of m80's and a closet full of molvolt cokctails with there names on it.And yes there have been cases of ppl being put into a hybernation with the use of venom it cause ther heart and lungs to slow down alot makeing them feel as if dead once the body is buried then man comes back and digs him up adding more of the venom (weakened puffer fish poison) to the person wich destroys all thinking abilities and buts them in a sate of zombieism


Are proper puncution and non-run on sentences a government cover up too?

DraconisNoir
May 12th, 2005, 01:17 AM
I guess they are :D

I have that book too, and I say it never hurts to be prepared. I plan to stock up on ammo and buy a katana or two, along with a wakezashi? short sword. I'll run to the yukon with my entire family ( I'll take along all 11 of them, along with friends( N-reD and kin, and anyone we can join up with)

We might do well, as with my family alone, most of us are of fighting age and strength in the prime of our youth,( including me and redrover) so we'd be a large, deadly group heading north, killing raiders, bandits and the undead on the way

Psychomeltdown
May 12th, 2005, 02:44 AM
We might do well, as with my family alone, most of us are of fighting age and strength in the prime of our youth,( including me and redrover) so we'd be a large, deadly group heading north, killing raiders, bandits and the undead on the way
I give you small odds. I say you'll make it out of denver and then get caught ina traffic jam, you'll be forced to abandon your vehicles and you'll be weighed down by the necessities of food and shelter that you'll abandon your weapons and run into a horde of flesh eating zombies that'll make a candle lit dinner out of you all.

Mmmmm.. Human flesh tenderized with fear.

Diamond
May 12th, 2005, 02:46 AM
Mmmmm.. Human flesh tenderized with fear.
It's good, and it's good for you.

Ivan Druzhkov
May 12th, 2005, 06:57 PM
...mrrrrr...brains...rrrrr...

BasilPoisoning
May 12th, 2005, 09:02 PM
1.Thanks to freedom of speech i can un-puncuate my sentences all like but for you bitchy ppl here.......<---see :D
2. The yukon might be a good place but id prefer to be in an area I know with a place thats already secured.
3.Human flesh isnt all that good to fatty, grease, and covered with makeup.
4. Katanas really arent all there cracked up to be i own one and it sucks.
5. Claymores are better.
6. Buy a bus cover the windows with really strong fenceing and place a snow plow on the front. That should get you through most things. If not bombs should to the trick. :D

Johnestauffer
May 12th, 2005, 10:47 PM
The book sounded interesting so I ordered if from Amazon.com.
For a few dollars extra I could have had it delivered on Friday the 13th (that would have been appropriate)
Now I will know the truth..........

Diamond
May 12th, 2005, 11:00 PM
1.Thanks to freedom of speech i can un-puncuate my sentences all like but for you bitchy ppl here.......<---see :D
2. The yukon might be a good place but id prefer to be in an area I know with a place thats already secured.
3.Human flesh isnt all that good to fatty, grease, and covered with makeup.
4. Katanas really arent all there cracked up to be i own one and it sucks.
5. Claymores are better.
6. Buy a bus cover the windows with really strong fenceing and place a snow plow on the front. That should get you through most things. If not bombs should to the trick. :D
1. I think it was more a matter of developing good grammar skills so we knew what the hell you were saying... :rolleyes:
2. I actually agree with you there.
3. It's the 'forbidden fruit' factor. The more someone tells me I can't have something, the more I want it. :D
4. & 5. Yes, I'd much rather carry around a sword that's twice as long, has a shitty center of gravity, and is slower on the recovery. Claymore mines though... yeah, I'd have to say they're better than a katana.
6. What happens when you're forced off the freeways because of all the abandoned cars blocking the way? What happens when the roads are in such poor condition that your bus can't drive on them? What happens when you run out of gas?

BasilPoisoning
May 12th, 2005, 11:23 PM
LOL! Yes diamond thats great. Yes, Claymores really arent that good but still alot better then a katana. The claymore mine is also alot better but if it comes down to it and i can only take three wepaons (two guns and a hand to hand) I'd like to have a .22 rifle, a simple smith and weston (carbine i hate automatics the jam to easily :D ) and a prybar. And the whole bus thing good point(s) if any of those happen your walking unlike me whos got a fully functional bunker in my backyard (i wish) but yeah ive got a safe house waiting for the shit to be flung.

BasilPoisoning
May 12th, 2005, 11:26 PM
Well onto a more seriouse note. I think everyones got it wrong (except 28 days later) i think some virus will cause everyone to going ape crazy/angry and start attacking people. I dont believe however that it will be spread by blood/saliva. Where im going with this i have no really idea but it would be freaky if animals contracted it not humans and we had a whole well army of ankle biteing poodles everywhere



......Such a happy world i live in :D

Cockroach
May 12th, 2005, 11:41 PM
5. Claymores are better.
Which variety of Claymore? The big scotish two handed sword or the scotish broad sword?

Matt
May 12th, 2005, 11:51 PM
If you want to survive you need to seek shelter with me and Weapon M.

Psychomeltdown
May 12th, 2005, 11:52 PM
If you want to survive you need to seek shelter with me and Weapon M.
That sounds too much like a come on.. I'd rather take my chances with the zombies. :D

MrP
May 12th, 2005, 11:58 PM
Well, I'm going to come down on the side of the Katana for a couple of reasons. It's lighter which means I can wield it for longer. It's a sharper weapon, which makes it handy for decapitation by slicing through neck bones and cartilage. It's also a good choice against both old and new style zombies. The new kind obligingly run toward one at full tilt, leading to sword in eye scenarios. The traditionalists (We didn't run at the living in my day!) lumber in slowly, permitting the maximum pretty swishing. I don't have the reach of the claymore, but if I'm too tired to decapitate or puncture at full reach, this doesn't help me.

But the main reason is weight. I'm not hefting about a full sized claymore for a battle with endless zombie hordes when I could be using a katana.

Matt
May 13th, 2005, 12:11 AM
Well, I'm going to come down on the side of the Katana for a couple of reasons. It's lighter which means I can wield it for longer. It's a sharper weapon, which makes it handy for decapitation by slicing through neck bones and cartilage. It's also a good choice against both old and new style zombies. The new kind obligingly run toward one at full tilt, leading to sword in eye scenarios. The traditionalists (We didn't run at the living in my day!) lumber in slowly, permitting the maximum pretty swishing. I don't have the reach of the claymore, but if I'm too tired to decapitate or puncture at full reach, this doesn't help me.

But the main reason is weight. I'm not hefting about a full sized claymore for a battle with endless zombie hordes when I could be using a katana.


You gentleman can keep your swords, I'll find myself an HK MP-5. 9mm ammo is common place. I'll back that up with a Glock 21. And I'll back that up with a sawed down Remmington shotgun. And after that a Aluminum bat. :D

BasilPoisoning
May 13th, 2005, 01:45 AM
:D Ahh my favorite conversations..weapons. Lets see if zombies were to take over id want.....
1. any light weight sword (yes I know I said claymores are good but yeah)
2. .22mm rifle are handgun
3. Sniper rifle (I like da shoot zombies from a block away)
4. C4, moltvolts, or home made flamethrower
5. electrafied razor wire (over kill yes)
6. any type of shotgun
7. hatchet, prybar, rock (got to love primatisim)
8. Any ak-47 better yet any military style weapon
9. things that make big boom
10. hmmm some form of decomposed fleash eating bug? :D

BasilPoisoning
May 23rd, 2005, 06:49 PM
eight days and not a single reply you all are makeing me feel bad now :(

Straha
May 23rd, 2005, 06:54 PM
I bought that book at the local Borders and it kicks ass.

Johnestauffer
May 23rd, 2005, 06:55 PM
It's too late for me. My fingers are barely working any more. Alll the pus is starting to mess up my keyboard. I wishl somebody had warned me sooner - I though zombies were just a joke - now i know better but it is ............

Thande
May 23rd, 2005, 06:59 PM
Oh sit down and drink some calcium, man.

Straha
May 23rd, 2005, 07:05 PM
the zombie apocalypse scenario could be... interesting. In the chinese sense obviously.

Tyr
May 23rd, 2005, 08:39 PM
I don't see how old style zombies can take over. 28 days later ones yes but old ones? They are a joke, Shaun of the Dead has it down right.
Even if they do over run main stream civilization somehow you just need to make a reasonable sized moat or picket around your town and you remain safe.
It would be cool for people to move into old castles...

BasilPoisoning
June 17th, 2005, 02:39 AM
I don't see how old style zombies can take over. 28 days later ones yes but old ones? They are a joke, Shaun of the Dead has it down right.
Even if they do over run main stream civilization somehow you just need to make a reasonable sized moat or picket around your town and you remain safe.
It would be cool for people to move into old castles...


Yes very true my friend.But wouldnt the moans of the "undead" drive your people crazy thus killing themselves? You should read "The Mask of The Red Death" by Edger Allen Poe basicly the smae thing. Tank you for finally agreeing with me on the whole 28 days later thing.Lol Shau of the dead was a great movie. Be even cooler to have walls like in resident evil:Apocolypes :) :D

Raymann
June 17th, 2005, 04:03 AM
Shaun of the Dead was ridiculous (well it was a comedy). They had ONE gun in the entire movie, and it was a musket or something.

I have a rifle right now not 10 ft away from me and I have a couple hundred rounds stashed. And so do all my neighbors. We all have trucks too so guns+trucks+angry Southern Americas = a posse no one can mess with. Hell let 'em come, give me something to do on the weekend.

Michael
June 17th, 2005, 05:13 AM
You're right Raymann, every country in the world is exactly the same as the U.S.A. in regards to gun laws :rolleyes:

Grimm Reaper
June 17th, 2005, 01:56 PM
So now we know why England was overrun by the undead.

No Second Amendment!

Actually I enjoyed 28 Days until the soldiers showed up and then it got ridiculous. An estimated 12 soldiers bent on takeover, but first, for home defense, a classic English mansion easily approached and with approximately 1200 windows to defend. :rolleyes:

Claymores? Sure, I'll take both.

Better yet, I am now LORD OF THE FLIES! I have the ultimate defense against zombies! What are young flies called? And what do they eat?!?

Muahahahahaha!

Johnestauffer
June 17th, 2005, 02:32 PM
Well we could alwasy make a sequel to several movies at once..
"Revenge of the Zombies"
Light Saber Luke takes on a world of zombie like creatures (and so on)
"May the farce be with you"

Just think - the ultimate Zombie survivial tool - the light saber

Michael
June 17th, 2005, 02:40 PM
Surely a tank, or an apc, is a better zombie survival tool?

BasilPoisoning
June 17th, 2005, 03:35 PM
why is it that almost every Zombie movie takes place in englad? And yeah a tank would be good untill you run out of gas. Also a good old southern boy. Ive got two .22 rifles ,a double barreled shotgun ,a couple of knives , home made flamethrower , and home made moltvolt cocktails. WEEEEEEEEEEEEE :D

Diamond
June 17th, 2005, 04:09 PM
why is it that almost every Zombie movie takes place in englad? And yeah a tank would be good untill you run out of gas. Also a good old southern boy. Ive got two .22 rifles ,a double barreled shotgun ,a couple of knives , home made flamethrower , and home made moltvolt cocktails. WEEEEEEEEEEEEE :D
What are you talking about? The only two zombie movies I can think of set in Britain are 28 Days Later and Shaun of the Dead. That hardly qualifies as 'almost every Zombie movie'. :rolleyes:

And what's a moltvolt?

BasilPoisoning
June 20th, 2005, 03:29 AM
Yeah your right. But a few have taken place wich is good enough for me. when will they learn that there no guns,piegons, and driving on the wrong side of the roads just draws crazies and zombies to them! :D

(definatle gonna get sued/attacked for that) :D

DraconisNoir
June 21st, 2005, 08:56 PM
**bump bump***

DaSla
June 22nd, 2005, 07:54 PM
Which variety of Claymore? The big scotish two handed sword or the scotish broad sword?

I have a scimitar, is that any good?

josephperkins
June 25th, 2005, 01:20 PM
Hello everyone :)

I am a Huge fan of George A.Romero's Living Dead Series,I saw the latest movie and it RULZ!!! Ahem!!sorry got carried away, now back to what i was going to say.

I am seeking any maps that show both the areas in which Mr.Romeros zombies first came back to life in and the general spread of the Living dead and the stages of said spread of Zombies.

Can anyone help me out?

Thanks
Joseph

Johnestauffer
June 25th, 2005, 01:52 PM
I think I need to take the Zombie Survivial Guide to work - there are enough brain dead people around to make me believe in zombies.

JimmyJimJam
July 5th, 2005, 09:14 AM
I don't see how old style zombies can take over. 28 days later ones yes but old ones? They are a joke, Shaun of the Dead has it down right.
Even if they do over run main stream civilization somehow you just need to make a reasonable sized moat or picket around your town and you remain safe.
It would be cool for people to move into old castles...

It aint the zombies in the old zombie flicks which do in civilization--its man's reaction to them.

BasilPoisoning
July 9th, 2005, 04:19 AM
Hello everyone :)

I am a Huge fan of George A.Romero's Living Dead Series,I saw the latest movie and it RULZ!!! Ahem!!sorry got carried away, now back to what i was going to say.

I am seeking any maps that show both the areas in which Mr.Romeros zombies first came back to life in and the general spread of the Living dead and the stages of said spread of Zombies.

Can anyone help me out?

Thanks
Joseph
Well Joesph I do believe most of his movies took place in Florida.Where I dont know but its a good start. As for his new movie ive yet to see it but im going to.

BasilPoisoning
July 9th, 2005, 04:26 AM
Hello everyone :)

I am a Huge fan of George A.Romero's Living Dead Series,I saw the latest movie and it RULZ!!! Ahem!!sorry got carried away, now back to what i was going to say.

I am seeking any maps that show both the areas in which Mr.Romeros zombies first came back to life in and the general spread of the Living dead and the stages of said spread of Zombies.

Can anyone help me out?

Thanks
Joseph
Well Joesph I do believe most of his movies took place in Florida.Where I dont know but its a good start. As for his new movie ive yet to see it but im going to.

BasilPoisoning
July 9th, 2005, 04:26 AM
Hello everyone :)

I am a Huge fan of George A.Romero's Living Dead Series,I saw the latest movie and it RULZ!!! Ahem!!sorry got carried away, now back to what i was going to say.

I am seeking any maps that show both the areas in which Mr.Romeros zombies first came back to life in and the general spread of the Living dead and the stages of said spread of Zombies.

Can anyone help me out?

Thanks
Joseph
Well Joesph I do believe most of his movies took place in Florida.Where I dont know but its a good start. As for his new movie ive yet to see it but im going to.

Mr_ Bondoc
July 9th, 2005, 04:35 AM
Well Joesph I do believe most of his movies took place in Florida.Where I dont know but its a good start. As for his new movie ive yet to see it but im going to.

I hate to be a nit-picker, but all of George A. Romero's films including his latest film Land of the Dead take place in the area of Pittsburgh, PA. This is because of the fact that it is his hometown. During a recent interview on Entertainment Tonight he bragged about how it was like getting to play with a "new electric toy train set"....

Diamond
July 9th, 2005, 05:37 AM
I hate to be a nit-picker, but all of George A. Romero's films including his latest film Land of the Dead take place in the area of Pittsburgh, PA. This is because of the fact that it is his hometown. During a recent interview on Entertainment Tonight he bragged about how it was like getting to play with a "new electric toy train set"....
I hate to nit-pick further, but Day of the Dead did indeed take place in south Florida.

Mr_ Bondoc
July 9th, 2005, 05:45 AM
Diamond- True the story takes place in South Florida, but the film is filmed in Pittburgh, PA. This is something that is a bragging point to a few of my friends from that region. In the original film, the film begins place in the Pittsburgh Allegheny Cemetery outside of downtown Pittsburgh....

Noelm
July 27th, 2005, 09:58 AM
Hey guys, i found this forum and decided to post some stuff regarding The Zombie Survival Guide by Max Brooks:)

Is it actually a book of lies and just an alternative history book? if that is so, why would he conjur up so much lies to destroy tourism in certain countries? :confused:

Are the recorded outbreaks lies also?

Romulus Augustulus
July 27th, 2005, 06:38 PM
It's a satire.

Glen
July 27th, 2005, 07:13 PM
I still think that your dreams of post apocalyptic survival are unfounded.

At least in the developed world, the outbreak and means to limit it will be identified early and there will be no break down of the government or society.
Death, unfortunately, will become a rather less dignified process, since the person must be, um, decerebrated shortly after expiration.

The developing world will, however, experience much of the anarchy you posit for a world-wide outbreak, as they will be unable to respond quickly enough in the early stages of the outbreak to effectively contain it. Of course, this will lead to quarantine of those areas and eventual invasion by the military forces of the developed world as they remove this threat from the world. Pity the remaining living in those warzones.

MBarry, you and p99 would probably eventually be sent overseas to deal with the threat....

Noelm
July 27th, 2005, 09:46 PM
they would hardly send in the army and blow up the whole town, that would cause too much confusion and dissaray... they wouldn't would they?

perdedor99
July 27th, 2005, 10:24 PM
they would hardly send in the army and blow up the whole town, that would cause too much confusion and dissaray... they wouldn't would they?

That what nukes are made for. Incineration of the recently dead.

Ace Venom
July 28th, 2005, 12:08 AM
J. Disposal

Studies have shown that Solanum can still inhabit the body of a terminated zombie for up to forty-eight hours. Exercise extreme care when disposing of undead corpses. The head in particular possesses the most serious hazard, given its concentration of the virus. Never handle an undead corpse without protective clothing. Treat it as you would any toxic, highly lethal material. Cremation is the safest, most effective way of disposal. Despite rumors that a pile of burning corpses will spread Solanum in a cloud of smoking plague, common sense would dictate that any virus is unable to survive intense heat, to say nothing of an open flame.

Nuke them. That seems like a handy solution.

Glen
July 28th, 2005, 12:51 AM
Naw, nukes are are too dirty.

Fuel Air Explosions should do the incineration work nicely...

Noelm
July 28th, 2005, 08:27 AM
surely they'd sweep the area with military personell first, wouldn't they? they wouldn't compensate to the extinction of man kind

Straha
July 28th, 2005, 11:30 AM
simply use a massive rain of nuclear weapons on trhe zombies

Noelm
July 28th, 2005, 05:18 PM
that would destroy the ozone, pollute the whole area and cause more damage than good

BasilPoisoning
August 6th, 2005, 04:33 AM
Well back to the spread of the virus. How many officers do you know that will shoot a person for acting "odd" they will not open fire until a weapon is used against them.So the zombie has atleast a chance at biteing one.Then he gose to the hospital or home where he dies and bites someone else. then those people go out into the night and bite someone else. Now what happens when one of those people gets on a plane? You can be anywhere within the hour.He bites them people on the plane the crash in some land then youve got another division in say a third world country.As for quarentine you have to admit atleast one or two will escape.Woul a nuke truely kill them?And what about the after effects of a nuke? the only weapon against the undead is knowledge of there actions and what to do in an invasion. Or i could just be ranting but hey im bored.

Smuz
August 6th, 2005, 04:44 AM
In reply to the sword fondlers, I'd go with a machete. Simply put, more weight behind the swing than a claymore, more useful in cramped areas (which would be where a zombie gets you- as you don't see it coming) than either, easier to carry, and I don't feel like an idiot carting it around. Also usefuil for hacking at undergrowth.

Either that or a broadsword...

tragic00
June 15th, 2006, 10:25 AM
regarding Byelgoransk, we've seen these types of things all throughout history... government cover-ups... they dont want us to know about these types of things because we "cant handle it". I'm a true believer of zombies, and theres nothing out there that'll change my mind.. i've been studying zombie accounts for almost 5 years now... and i'm only 16... i saw my first zombie film when i was 8 and ever since i've been hooked...

solanum i believe to be real, i've seen it in quite a few ancient medical texts. and although it causes humans to reanimate it can also be contracted by animals as well, though they dont reanimate... its a rare disease, like lepracy, or elephantitus. Theres fossilized record of Solanum...

Regarding my obsession with the undead:: Does anyone know where I can find Shaun of the Dead or Dawn Of the Dead movie poster? I've been looking for months at every theater and music store for them and i have yet to find them... Any information on this would help a great deal.... E-bay is a likely place but i dont trust online hosts with my credit card account...

Thanks all.



even though its written as a humor book, its so in depth. as for you that town in russia has never existed, i was so hooked on finding out. and theres no such records for that town ever existing even pre 1960. even though they could cover up all information, it'd be nearly impossible to confiscate all information regarding that town pre 1960 with all the atlas' and articles. but one part that is true about the book is the solanum virus. well.. its not really a virus as much as it is a poison which in found in a lot of plants and flowers, wont really harm you unless if you eat it. but no way can it kill and reanimate you. i thought the book was brilliant. i loved it. but one thing the book failed to do was mention how the musclar system could possible function. they did a good job with circulation and respiratory, but said nothing about the muscle system. as an anatomy major i'm 100% positive theres no way if your brain somehow was alive but dormant even after your dead if you only can harvess the power of your frontal lobe there would be no way for anyone to move their arms or legs let alone walk. but it is possible to temporarly bring someone back from dead with electricity only momentarily though. its not that i dont believe in zombies like they say "the absence of proof is not the proof of absence" but it is biologically impossible AT THE MOMENT though, i'm sure within a century or even decades there will be a way to bring someone back from the dead. thats all my information and opinions though.

Beauhooligan
May 26th, 2007, 07:45 PM
Howdy Y'all,

Let's see,

The first George Romero film 'Night of the Living Dead" , the color remake of 'Night of the Living Dead' were shot in Pennsylvania. The sequel 'Dawn of the Dead' was shot in Italy. The first 'Day of the Dead' was shot in Florida, while the second 'Day of the Dead' (written by Romero) was shot in Bulgaria (see the IMdB). "Land of the Dead" (originally titled 'Dead Reconing') was shot in Canada.

From the 'Zombie Survival Guide' and 'World War Z' I have gleaned the following. The only sure way to destroy a Romero zombie is to destroy the brain. You can destroy the body to a great degree, even decapitation, and still leave a set of snapping jaws lying to chomp on someone's ankle. The Battle for Yonkers proved that all of the hi-tech weapons, including thermobaric weapons would not necessarily kill zombies. Zombies that had their lungs and trachea hanging out of their mouths from the negative pressure of the thermobaric weapons were up and walking shortly after the attack. Mines took off legs, rockets blew away body parts, but unless the brain was destroyed the dead came ahead, if all they could do was crawl.
Good weapons against the undead are semi-automatic carbines and pistols (provided you train well enough to produce head shots on moving targets), and scoped rifles. Close range weapons include machetes, hatchets, katanas, wakazashis, hammers, and the always useful crowbar.

If I was transported to the world of the Living Dead I would want my Savage Model 12 BVSS bolt action rifle in 7.62x51 with the 6x20 Nikon Monarch scope, and a lot of ammo (to stand off and hold a safe position, or shoot escape corridors if necessary), my Ruger Mini-30 in 7.62x39 with as much ammo with at least 6 20 round magazines, my Springfield Arsenal 'G.I. .45' and it's Wilson magazines, my Cold Steel Warrior Katana and it's matching Tanto. I have a good pack to carry the ammo, food, medic kit (I'm an EMT2), and two weeks of MREs, and a full camelback, and my mountain bike. If I get to take my 4x4 van the list of supplies is significantly multipied. I am part of a disaster team that was originally formed for the Y2K flop, but then bolstered by the Loma Prietta Earthquake, and we have a pre-arrainged rally point to the east, and an abandoned logging mill we plan to use as a temporary base if a major disaster causes the Bay Cities and the Central Vally to fall into Chaos. Our latest concern is that N. Korea may have nuclear capable missles that can reach San Francisco, producing a fallout plume that would spread directly over the Central Valley. Anything that stops the food resupply for three days, or the water supply for 48 hours will have these cities in open revolt. Not good! We are all ex-military/LEO and ex or current national lab workers, so we can rely on each other in a pinch. :)

Beauhooligan
May 26th, 2007, 08:01 PM
even though its written as a humor book, its so in depth. as for you that town in russia has never existed, i was so hooked on finding out. and theres no such records for that town ever existing even pre 1960. even though they could cover up all information, it'd be nearly impossible to confiscate all information regarding that town pre 1960 with all the atlas' and articles. but one part that is true about the book is the solanum virus. well.. its not really a virus as much as it is a poison which in found in a lot of plants and flowers, wont really harm you unless if you eat it. but no way can it kill and reanimate you. i thought the book was brilliant. i loved it. but one thing the book failed to do was mention how the musclar system could possible function. they did a good job with circulation and respiratory, but said nothing about the muscle system. as an anatomy major i'm 100% positive theres no way if your brain somehow was alive but dormant even after your dead if you only can harvess the power of your frontal lobe there would be no way for anyone to move their arms or legs let alone walk. but it is possible to temporarly bring someone back from dead with electricity only momentarily though. its not that i dont believe in zombies like they say "the absence of proof is not the proof of absence" but it is biologically impossible AT THE MOMENT though, i'm sure within a century or even decades there will be a way to bring someone back from the dead. thats all my information and opinions though.

Howdy,

As I understand it, Solanum kills the frontal lombes of the brain, and no higher thought takes place. The hindbrain continues, but only activates the muscles to provide the creature with mobility to move and feed. The heart, lungs, organs of digestion, lymphatic system, nothing other than the nerves and muscles work. A zombies can fall into deep water and stay there for years, one day walk out onto a beach, starting the infection anew. The zombies feed on the living, but do not digest. The flesh fills the stomach untill it bulges grotesquely, and eventualy bursts (yuch!). The eyes become opaque, not from deterioration, but from the scouring of dust as the zombies do not produce tears or blink. Remember: this is an alternate reality. There has been a significant POD, and conventional anatomy and physiology do not apply. :mad:

DAv
May 26th, 2007, 11:24 PM
Just a question about Zombies, why is there so many of them? Suely when a Zombie gets someone, they eat the whole body?

Beauhooligan
May 26th, 2007, 11:52 PM
Just a question about Zombies, why is there so many of them? Suely when a Zombie gets someone, they eat the whole body?

If a person a caught by a group of zombies, they will tear him/her apart: el finito, end of story. But, if the sad sack is caught by one zombie, and dies while being eaten, he/she may rise partially eaten, and slouch off in search of fresh food. If a person gets bitten, flees to relative safety (a hideout, hospital, etc.) then turns, we get a fully functional zombie, hungry and ready to eat, almost completely intact.

BTW: One of the great weapons freely available in most of NA that was not spoken of in the guide is the Ruger 10/22 .22 Magnum rifle. The .22 Magnum has more than enough punch to shatter the skull and splatter the brain out to 100 yards (something the .22 Long Rifle and the new .17 Rim Fire cartridges will not always do), and the ammo is fairly cheap, plentiful, easy to find, lightweight, and the Ruger rifle is legendary for it's accuracy and reliability. You can also rebarrel and restock the Ruger 10/22 to make it a super accurate shooting machine for a bit over $150 with parts available from Cabelas, Midway, and a dozen other mail order houses that sell to home tinkerers. Changing the barrel is just a matter of removing one screw, and stocks, super light triggers, and scopes are just as easy. If you live in States that allow big magazines, you can get magazines that hold up to 50 rounds, and there is a kit out there that will turn two 10/22s into a double barreled Gatling gun. :eek::eek::eek::eek:

illeander
August 15th, 2007, 08:15 PM
regarding Byelgoransk, we've seen these types of things all throughout history... government cover-ups... they dont want us to know about these types of things because we "cant handle it". I'm a true believer of zombies, and theres nothing out there that'll change my mind.. i've been studying zombie accounts for almost 5 years now... and i'm only 16... i saw my first zombie film when i was 8 and ever since i've been hooked...

solanum i believe to be real, i've seen it in quite a few ancient medical texts. and although it causes humans to reanimate it can also be contracted by animals as well, though they dont reanimate... its a rare disease, like lepracy, or elephantitus. Theres fossilized record of Solanum...

Regarding my obsession with the undead:: Does anyone know where I can find Shaun of the Dead or Dawn Of the Dead movie poster? I've been looking for months at every theater and music store for them and i have yet to find them... Any information on this would help a great deal.... E-bay is a likely place but i dont trust online hosts with my credit card account...

Thanks all.


I am a fan of the book. The author does an amazing job of creating a fictional virus and creating scientific explainations for how solanum works. He uses his basic knowledge of how a virus works. However I disapprove of his "scientific" explaination of how zombies function. (At this point I should probably remind you that zombies are fictional, and if the author had not been trying to give them a plausable scientific background I wouldn't even mention this.) The ZSG states that zombies are dead, except for their mutated brain, and cannot use their organs. However it also states that the virus uses the body like a tool kit and causes the zombie to move and function. However, because the zombie cannot use its organs, it is impossible for the zombie to move.
The reason for this is in order for the body to move it needs the living muscle tissue to contract and release. (Yes the muscle tissue must be living or you would be giving the virus to much credit, as a puppeteer that weilds invisible strings.) In order for the muscle tissue to be able to move the mutated brain must have use of bodies entire nervous system to send signals to the muscle tissue, to stimulate its movement.
If you see that any of my explaination is wrong, please tell me of you concerns in detail. Make sure to be very clear as to why. If you need more information on other impossble biological functions, I have a plenty of information.
Please do not get angry, I really do like the book and I don't mean to hurt anyones love for it. I just think that a better explaination could be made that has already been made in the zsg. If you have any of you own ideas about how zombies could function, I would like to know. I just know to a small extent what cannot happen.


List of Concerns(or things that do not quite work)

Disuse of:
Circulatory System
Respiratory System
Digestive Tract
Senses
Mobility (as above)
Motivation

Baron von Feldspar
August 15th, 2007, 08:31 PM
If you like this book and its theme Max Brooks has a new zombie book out. Here is a phone in program on NPR (http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=6104111) where people share stories of how they survived the zombie war.

Amerigo Vespucci
August 15th, 2007, 09:30 PM
'New' is a relative term. The book's over a year old, but I'd still highly recommend it, even for people who aren't fans of the zombie genre.

midnight77
August 15th, 2007, 09:32 PM
i want a colt .45, a m1 garand, and a crowbar. thats all i need.

SRT
August 15th, 2007, 10:40 PM
I think most of you are approaching the problem wrong. Stocking up on guns is only going to help in the short term. This is my main problem with "survivalists" in general (anyone ever read The Postman by David Brin? It's basically about a post-apocalyptic world that wouldn't be that way if it weren't for how "survivalists" had reacted to problems that could've been fixed).

What you need is not to kill as many zombies as possible, you need long term survival. Not an exhaustive collection of guns.

--

One of my plans hinged around the theory that zombies have a very keen sense of hearing, making it, in fact, their primary sense. So, here is the equipment I need to keep an area safe; a Gibson Les Paul (or any electric guitar with humbucker pickups) and a Sunn amplifier. If you set it up so that the amplifier has enough electricity, you could keep it feedbacking indefinitely, making more than enough noise to render hearing useless. Of course, this would make it very uncomfortable for any humans, so I wouldn't recommend keeping it on all the time (also, keeping it off when you're not using it saves electricity, which those bass amps also screw up).

As an added bonus, bass notes travel very far and could conceivably be used as a form of communication.

Admiral Matt
August 16th, 2007, 01:46 PM
I am a fan of the book.......

List of Concerns(or things that do not quite work)

Disuse of:
Circulatory System
Respiratory System
Digestive Tract
Senses
Mobility (as above)
Motivation

You're absolutely right. Zombies as they are normally described basically have to be magical. Otherwise they are either truly alive - and much easier to kill - or they just lie there rotting. There's nothing to speak of in between.

The zombie effect is best achieved by a virus that makes living humans stupid and agressive. As far as I know, only the 28 series has ever touched on this. And I'm not entirely impressed with the job they did.

Grimm Reaper
August 16th, 2007, 01:48 PM
hands midnight77 the two guns and the crowbar, keeps the food, medical supplies and everything else for himself

Should have asked for some ammo, midnight77.:cool:

Update!

I can now dispense with costly ammunition by moving in with kilngirl!

http://www.popularmechanics.com/home_journal/workshop/4220505.html?series=27

midnight77
August 16th, 2007, 03:32 PM
i meant that was my weapons loadout.

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July 30th, 2009, 03:43 PM
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stirlingdraka
July 30th, 2009, 04:48 PM
I`ve got that book and World WarZ they are both awesome and make their world seem very real. They are also darkly funny Max Brooks inheirited his fathers sense of humuor.

Voice of The Empire
July 31st, 2009, 10:48 AM
d-day will happen when we elect a minority as president... :cool:

OH SHIT.

Runs for his blade.

The Red
July 31st, 2009, 11:04 AM
It's also a self sufficiency book in disguise.

OneUp
July 31st, 2009, 07:06 PM
d-day will happen when we elect a minority as president... :cool:

The Prophecy from 4 years ago has yet to come true, we have a minority president...

catboy637
July 31st, 2009, 07:25 PM
The Prophecy from 4 years ago has yet to come true, we have a minority president...
We have a half minority preident.

Malta
July 31st, 2009, 07:28 PM
Reading that part makes me wonder how history could have gone the same way it did in OTL when there are zombie outbreaks. At the very least it would have a huge impact on religion.

Don't you know? Jesus Christ Is A Zombie. What did you think he ment when you would be eating his body and blood at mass....and he rose from the dead! They didn't nail him to the cross by his head....he disappeared from his Tomb and was seen walking around (must have taken him a while to claw his way through the dirt ground).