Resupply Equipment

[Norbert]

Post your resupply gear here.

[Norbert]

item how many weight total weight how many
Blackhawks 9 4 36 9
.357 ammo 4 40 160 4,000
,22 LR 4 44 176 20,000
.30-06 5 33 165 2,500
Toilet Paper Case 96 10 38.4 384 960
Tampons 1000 10 39 390 10,000
2 Qt Canning jars 1200 0.5 600 1,200
Rubber Gaskets 15 243 3,000
BAR 2 2 19.5 39 2
BAR Mag 20 rounds 40 2 80 40/ 800
Linseed Oil 1 Gal. 3 9 27 3x Gals.
Colt 1860 Revoler 2 x cylinders 10 3 30 20 cylinders 10 colts
Hawkens caplocks 32 0.75 24 24
Percussion Cap Nipples 20 4 1 4 80
Percussion Caps 5000 12 1 12 60,000

Coffee instant 100 100 1 100 100lbs
Teabags 200 100 1 100 20,000
Beds Double 20 70 1400 20
Chest of Drawers 20 40 800 20
Crank Record Player 2 45 90 2
Albums 600 0.5 300 600
leather Recliners 2 67 134 2
Shelves metal 10 10 100 10
Books Hardcovers 150 2 300 150
Boots 30 5 150 30
Hawkens Rifle Barrels replacment 20 4 80 20
Sterling Silver Service 36 1 120 120 1
Wedgewood China 48 1 120 120 1 With Severing Dishs
Crystal service 36 1 80 80 1
Linens for dining 36 2 36 72 2
Lace table cloth 3 3 5 15 3
Milking Cans 10 6 60 10
Milking Stools 5 3 15 5
Love seat 1 75 75 1
Davenport 5 125 625 6
Wing back chiars 12 25 300 12
Bug out kits 20 12 240 20
Personal survival kits 20 2 40 20
Personal Armor system 11 8.8 96.8 11
7 sets of ITLBV 7 4.4 30.8 7
LC-2 11 37.4 411.4 11
Socks 1200 0.25 400 1200
Blue Jeans 200 1.5 300 200
Ragg Wool Sweaters 40 1.5 60 40
Flannel Shirts 3 100 1 100 300
Underwear 3 200 0.5 100 600
T-Shirts 5 150 1 150 750
Canvas Shirts 3 100 1 100 300
Boots 24 24 5 120 24
Towels 240 0.5 120 240
Walkie Talkies 5 3 15 5
BDU 30 2 60 30
Day packs 10 4 40 10
Multifuel Lanterns 10 4 40 10
Folding Chairs 18 2 36 18
5 Gallon Watercans 3 5 15 3
22 Gallon water Barrels 6 11 66 6
Whistles 20 1 1 1 20
penlight 10 0.1 1 10
Batteries
aa 60 0.05 3 60
D 60 0.2 12 60
9 Volt 40 0.1 4 40
Ka Bar's 30 1 30 30
Krypton Bulbs 16 6 1 6 96
Lifeboat Matches 200 10 1 10 2000
Magnesium Firestaters 5 2 1 2 10
Lantern Box 1 7 7 1
Gil Net 12'x4' 4 0.25 1 4
Fiskers Supersnips 4 0.25 1 4
50 hr Emerganvy Candles (2) 4 1.5 6 8
Field soap 4 80 1 80 320
Rain Gear 10 2 20 10
200 lightline 4 0.25 1 800'
Poncho 5 1 5 5
Poncho Liners 5 2 10 5
150' Rapelling rope 2 9 18 300'

wax 2 1 2 2
Weapon Cleaning kits 10 3 30 10
Gun Oil Gallon 5 8 40 5 Gal
Black powder Solvent Gallon 5 8 40 5 Gal
Cleaning Patches 400 30 1 30 12,000
Plow 1 100 100
Bed Linens 60 4 240
Wool blankets 120 4 480
record needles 120 2 2 2 240




11129 lbs

Well here is what
I'm taking for my family with out the food wich ends up 2,200 lbs
the rest went in with the Group list .

As you can see I 'm taking a lot of difrent iteams .don't mind my spelling .
Spelling Corrected by Wards secretary:p

[Norbert]

Norberts resupply equipment:
Note: 2000 lbs towards Community Items.

[jolo]

From all the lists I found, I did the following collection for 8 of the members staying at Fort Monty and surroundings:

Total weight 8000 lbs * 8 = 64000 lbs
Community: 8000 lbs
Individual: 56 000 lbs
Number of people: 18 adults, 8 kids (guesstimate)

- Food for 1 year (mostly fat/oil, all else can be gathered), 7500 lbs
- 80% drinking alcohol (for the high nutritional calorie count), 500 lbs
- Coffee, 1000 lbs
- Spices and the likes, 1000 lbs
- Seeds, 1000 lbs
- Baby Formula, 200 lbs
- Salt, 400 lbs
Total 11 600 lbs

- Kitchen utensils like pots, dishes, silver ware, equipment, and so on, 2000 lbs
- Durable clothing, boots, shoes, and so on, 8000 lbs
- 8 large durable tents, 1600 lbs
- 26 Iso-mats, 26 lbs
- 52 blankets, 104 lbs
- 52 Bed sheet sets 52 lbs
- Towels, 52 lbs
- 1 very large tent, 2400 lbs
- 8 first aid kits, 40 lbs
- Sewing kit (including buttons, threads), 40 lbs
- Fur treatment kit, 20 lbs
- Shoe repair kit, 20 lbs
- Barber kit, 20 lbs
- 5000 sheets of A4 or legal paper (light), 30 lbs
- Ink, Ribbons, and spare parts for the printer, 20 lbs
- Small alcohol distillery, 100 lbs
- Baby things, 200 lbs
- Hygienic articles, 1000 lbs
Total 15 720 lbs

- Gun with knock-out shots, 10 darts, 2000 units of sleeping agents (2 needed for an adult, maybe 10 for a cattle), 50 lbs
- 8 Tasers to quickly stun people, 50 lbs
- 8 Revolvers with cleaning kit, casing, pistol belt, standard ammunition, 200 lbs
- 8 Rifles with cleaning kit, casing, (ir)-sights, standard ammunition, 300 lbs
- Bullets (not full cartridges), 100 lbs
- Gun cases (1 each member), 200 lbs
- 18 IR night vision goggles, 100 lbs
- Light, Fog and other hand grenades, 200 lbs
- Sulfur to produce ammunition and explosives, 1000 lbs
- Interceptor vests (2 each), 1000 lbs
- Helmets (1 each), 80 lbs
Total 3280 lbs

- Solar cells and electronics to power lots of equipment, 1000 lbs
- Equipment to build 5 wind mills suitable as electric generators, as pumps, and so on, 1000 lbs
- Equipment to build 5 water mills suitable for saws, for hammering, as electric generators, and so on, 1000 lbs
- A few electric generators to use with wind or water mills, 400 lbs
- A few electric engines to power bench saws or other things, 400 lbs
- Diesel generator, 100 lbs
- Cables and electronics to connect all this, 200 lbs
- Car batteries to even out power surges and drops, 1000 lbs
- Lamps, light bulbs, sockets, cables, fuses, batteries, chargers, and so on, 1000 lbs
Total 6100 lbs

- Equipment to build a simple wind or water driven oil well up to 75 feet deep, 800 lbs
(according to my research, there are enough oil seeps in the area - but a pump might help)
- Equipment to distill oil and to produce some other products from it, 400 lbs
Total 1200 lbs

- 4 high distance radios incl. antennas, 200 lbs
- 8 high reach walkie talkies (consumer version), 10 lbs
- 48 line switch board and cables, 400 lbs
- 20 phones, 40 lbs
Total 650 lbs

- Barb wire for fences, 1000 lbs
- Plexiglass for windows (1m*1m*2mm*100), 300 lbs
- Water tank, pump, and hose for building a fire truck, 400 lbs
- 4 plows, 360 lbs
- Two Row Corn Planter, 220 lbs
- Seed Drill, 220 lbs
- Sickle Mower, 80 lbs
- Books, 200 lbs
- Tools, 400 lbs
- Nails, screws, and so on, 1000 lbs
- Astronomical simulation program to determine exact date, 0 lbs
- Wood paint, 1000 lbs
- 2 boat hulls and masts, 1000 lbs
- Sails, ropes, and so on, 800 lbs
- 4 Bicycles, 260 lbs
- 2 Bicycle trailers, 26 lbs
- Pottery turn table mechanics for 2 turn tables, 40 lbs
- Cement, 1000 lbs
- 8 Slide calculators, 1 lbs
- Trading objects, 1000 lbs
- Different oils for the machines, the guns, and so on, 500 lbs
- Cement, 2000 lbs
- 2 wheel barrows, 100 lbs
- 4 large buckets for concrete, mortar, or the likes, 50 lbs
- 2-wheeled tractor, accessories for plowing, drenching, pulling, transport..., incl. spare parts, 2000 lbs
- Ultra light airplane, spare parts, and so on, 400 lbs
- different fuels for our different machines, 1000 lbs
- yokes, riding equipment, replacement parts, and the likes, 400 lbs
- materials for building electronic components, 200 lbs
- Fishing equipment (nets, ropes...), 100 lbs
- A few useful insects for pollination, honey, and wachs production, 1 lbs
Total 16 058 lbs

Total total=54 608

Remaing weight for more food and corrected weights.

Edit: I'll add 100 lbs of plastic foil, 200 lbs of plastic pipes, joints, and glue, and some black paint for solar collectors - I like a warm shower... :)

[Norbert]

You should go with a mininum of 5-6mm plexiglass, weight of a sheet 1.22m x 2.44m would be 39 lbs. 2mm wya to light if you want it for windows.

The tasers are a nice idea, but usless when the batteries are gone or non-rechargable. Put the 50 lbs into more ammunition, I think it would serve you better there.

Other than that, ok. And that will be all I say about it.

Guys, please do not nitpick it to death. Let him make his own choice.

[jolo]

You should go with a mininum of 5-6mm plexiglass, weight of a sheet 1.22m x 2.44m would be 39 lbs. 2mm wya to light if you want it for windows.

The tasers are a nice idea, but usless when the batteries are gone or non-rechargable. Put the 50 lbs into more ammunition, I think it would serve you better there.

Other than that, ok. And that will be all I say about it.

Guys, please do not nitpick it to death. Let him make his own choice.

I thought about using wood to strengthen the windows, and to cut smaller windows from the plastic. We don't need panorama view yet.

The tasers would have to be recheargable. I don't like killing people if there are other possibilities.

[Norbert]

I thought about using wood to strengthen the windows, and to cut smaller windows from the plastic. We don't need panorama view yet.

The tasers would have to be recheargable. I don't like killing people if there are other possibilities.

But even the best batteries have a limit to how often they can be recharged, and may not even be rechargable after sufficient non-recharged draining, which I will look into. And you will be better off with small windows of thicker material. I personally am planning no more than a foot wide, with bracing, and of the 6mm I mentioned.

[jolo]

But even the best batteries have a limit to how often they can be recharged, and may not even be rechargable after sufficient non-recharged draining, which I will look into. And you will be better off with small windows of thicker material. I personally am planning no more than a foot wide, with bracing, and of the 6mm I mentioned.

If the tasers are recheargeable, they should last 1 to 3 years. After that, it's stick time... :)

I hope the windows will last a few years. After that, we should have enough glass available. Our 18 adults and 8 kids will probably need about 10 homes and 2 public buildings. 100 sheets of 1*1 m is pretty little for that. Some of the sheets are also reserved for protecting solar cells and collectors, for covering equipment which needs to be watched, and so on. 6mm is strong enough for bus stops. A simple window should get along with less, if people are careful.

[Norbert]

If the tasers are recheargeable, they should last 1 to 3 years. After that, it's stick time... :)

I hope the windows will last a few years. After that, we should have enough glass available. Our 18 adults and 8 kids will probably need about 10 homes and 2 public buildings. 100 sheets of 1*1 m is pretty little for that. Some of the sheets are also reserved for protecting solar cells and collectors, for covering equipment which needs to be watched, and so on. 6mm is strong enough for bus stops. A simple window should get along with less, if people are careful.

Which is exactly why I suggested that weight. It will be damn hard to get through if set properly!:D (And that is Norbert being a little paranoid!:D )

[SionEwig]

Not gonna nit pick (well not too much, LOL). But I do have some questions and suggestions. Plus there are several areas that need clarification.

- 8 Revolvers with cleaning kit, casing, pistol belt, standard ammunition, 200 lbs
- 8 Rifles with cleaning kit, casing, (ir)-sights, standard ammunition, 300 lbs


Well, what kind of revolvers and rifles, at least the caliber. how much ammunition, just saying standard ammunition means absolutely nothing.
Don't forget extra batteries for those IR sights, they tend to eat them.

Light, Fog and other hand grenades, 200 lbs

These items are without a doubt something that needs specifics on. How many of each?

Sulfur to produce ammunition and explosives, 1000 lbs

Excellent idea.

Barb wire for fences, 1000 lbs

That is not near as much as you think it is, barbed wire is heavy, and it won't go very far unless you are simply puting up a single strand which is next to useless.

- 2-wheeled tractor, accessories for plowing, drenching, pulling, transport..., incl. spare parts, 2000 lbs

Not disagreeing with this, but could you please give a brand name and model for what the heck it is. I am guessing that you are talking about a tiller with accessories, which I think is a good idea. Let me know please, I may have some suggestions.

Cement, 2000 lbs

Like with the barbed wire, this is not as much as many people may think, though depending on what you plan on doing with it, it could be very useful. At least you did think to take cement (hopefully portland) rather than concrete.

Overall, not a bad list, not exactly what I would have taken, but then we will all have differences.

[Ward]

- Gun with knock-out shots, 10 darts, 2000 units of sleeping agents (2 needed for an adult, maybe 10 for a cattle), 50 lbs
- 8 Tasers to quickly stun people, 50 lbs
- 8 Revolvers with cleaning kit, casing, pistol belt, standard ammunition, 200 lbs
- 8 Rifles with cleaning kit, casing, (ir)-sights, standard ammunition, 300 lbs
- Bullets (not full cartridges), 100 lbs
- Gun cases (1 each member), 200 lbs
- 18 IR night vision goggles, 100 lbs
- Light, Fog and other hand grenades, 200 lbs
- Sulfur to produce ammunition and explosives, 1000 lbs
- Interceptor vests (2 each), 1000 lbs
- Helmets (1 each), 80 lbs
Total 3280 lbs


Blackhawks 9/ 4/ 36 /9 first no. how many / next weight each/total weight / how many total .
.357 ammo 4 40 160 4,000
,22 LR 4 44 176 20,000
.30-06 5 33 165 2,500
BAR 2 2 19.5 39 2
BAR Mag 20 rounds 40 2 80 40/ 800
Colt 1860 Revoler 2 x cylinders 10 3 30 20 cylinders 10 colts


Go something like this for your weapons if you dont know the weights ask Norbert he will help on this .


Interceptor vests (2 each), 1000 lbs
- Helmets (1 each), 80 lbs
what are these I'm not trying to be funny But I have no idea what you are talking about with these , But you might want these system . These gives you modren body armor and helmet as well as other equpment you might want .
Integrated Individual Fighting System (IIFS) with the Following

Personal Armour System for Ground Troops (PASGT), Woodland
(AV: 14, Weight: 4.00 kg)

Helmet, Ground Troops - Parachutists (HGTP), Woodland
(AV: 12, Weight: 1.45 Kg)

Individual Tactical Load-Bearing Vest (ITLBV) Consists of
(Weight: 2 Kg)

Suspenders, Woodland w/
4x M16 Ammunition Pouches
2x M33 Grenade Pouches
Equipment Belt, Olive Drab w/ Fastex Buckle
M9 Bayonet and Carrier
Plastic E-Tool Carrier, Olive Drab, w/
Collapsible Entrenching Tool
Canteen Cover, Woodland, w/
Plastic Canteen and M1 NBC Drinking Cap
First Aid Pouch, Woodland
M17A2 Protective Mask Carrier, Olive Drab, w/
M17A1 Protective Mask
M258 Individual Decontamination Kit
M12 Ambidextrous Holster, Olive Drab

Other Equipment that maybe added

2 Quart Plastic Canteen and Cover, Olive Drab
5 Quart Flotation Bladder Canteen, Olive Drab

Field Pack, Large, with Internal Frame (FPLIF), Woodland (20 kg)
with the Following

Battle Dress Uniform (BDU), Woodland (2 pr)
M65 Combat Jacket, Woodland, w/ Liner (1)
Boots, Combat, Black, w/ armored soles (2 pr)
Undershirt, Olive Drab (4)
Underwear, Olive Drab (4 pr)
Wool Socks, Grey (6 Pr)
Rainsuit, Gore-Tex, Woodland (1 set, Jacket and Pants)
Field Cap, Ranger, Woodland (1)
Sweater, Olive Drab (1)
Belt, Nylon, Green with Fastex Buckle (2)
Long Johns, Olive Drab (2 pr)
Gloves, Combat, Inner & Outer (2 pr)
Ground Sheet, Woodland (2)
Poncho Liner, Thinsulate, Woodland (1)
Sleeping Bag, w/ Outer, Inner, Hood & Liner, Olive Drab (1)
Bivouac, Sleeping Bag Cover, Gore-Tex, Woodland
Mosquito Net, Olive Drab (1)
Bedroll, Self Inflating, Olive Drab (1)
Toilet Kit, Basic (1)
Sun/ Wind/ Dust Goggles, OD Frame
w/ Clear and Smoked Lenses (1)
Compass w/ Compass Carrier (1)
Protractor (1)
Field Message Pad (3) w/ Cover
Map Case, Olive Drab (1)
Geiger Tab (1)
M1 CBR kit (1)
I.D., Morrow Project (1)
Concentrated Meal Bar (9 Bars/ Pouch, 1 Bar/ Meal) (5 Pouchs)
Lighter, Disposable (2)
Flashlight, Crookneck, Olive Drab (1)
Box, Matches, Wind & Rain Proof (3)
Rope, 50 m, Nylon, Olive Drab (1)
String, 100 m, Cotton, Olive Drab (1)
Carabineer, Locking "D", Black (1)
Satchel, Personal Effects (1)
Cleaning Kit, Weapons, Universal (1)


I have other list of equpment that you might need just PM me and I can send them to you . There is a nice emergancy kit that I'm taking that you might want .

[Ward]

some items you might want to take with you in your resupply equpment per growup. called the bugout bag .
1st iteam is Contents contained in a small olive drab (OD) backpack.

Weight: approx 5.50 kg w/o weapon
approx 8.75 kg w/ weapon

Kit includes

1 Colt .223 Imp Survival SMG w/ 3 30 rd magazines
1 Short range survival radio, range 10 kms. One channel only
1 Heavy duty reinforced space blanket, OD on one side, silver on
other
1 Light weight OD rain poncho
2 Large heavy duty trash bags
1 Water filter straw
1 Personal MP Issue Survival Kit (detailed in separate article)
1 Personal first-aid kit (detailed in separate article)
1 Small collapsible plastic bucket
1 Water storage bladder
1 OD plastic canteen & canteen cup
1 OD BDU pants
1 OD tee-shirt
1 OD wool sweater
1 OD wool watch cap
2 Pair grey socks
1 OD light weight windbreaker
1 Pair black leather gloves, w/ OD liners
4 Boxes of water/ wind proof matches, w/ OD plastic container
2 Disposable lighters
1 "Tommy" cooker and 3 boxes, of 25 fuel tablets
1 Set KFS (Knife, Fork, Spoon)
1 Folding pocket knife
1 Knife sharpening stone
20 m of OD para cord
1 Note pad w/ pen & pencil
1 Signal mirror
1 Signal whistle
1 Small flashlight
1 Folded local map
1 Compass
Toilet paper in sealed plastic bag
2 MRE meals
iteam no. 2
Morrow Project, Personal Survival Kit

The survival kit is issued to all personal of the Morrow Project.
The kit consists of two plastic containers, each measuring 11.43
cm x 13.97 cm x 3.81 cm with each container weighting 0.45 kg,
curved to fit in chest or thigh pockets. They are sealed with O-
rings and held together by "C" clamps that run the length of the
long sides, the clamps being slid off when the contents are
needed.

Container No.1

1 Aluminum dish
1 Lipstick, anti-chap and sunburn protective
50 Iodine water-purification tablets
1 bar of soap (3/8 ounce)
1 Tincture benzalkonium chloride bottle (2CC)
1 Illuminating candle
2 Waterproof receptacles (rubber prophylactics)
11 A.P.C. tablets
6 Waterproofed matches
1 Single edge razor blade
3 Band aids
1 Adhesive plaster
1 Boric acid ointment, tube (1/8 oz.)
1 Gauze
6 Salt tablets (sodium chloride)
6 D-Methemphet hydrochloride tablets
1 Mirroe with cord attached
1 Snare wire assembly

Container No. 2

1 Pliers
16 Oxytetracycline tablets
1 Wrist compass and strap
1 Fishing kit (plastic container, 2 wet flies with snell, 15 fish
hooks, nickel demon with double hook and 3 lead strip sinkers)
6 Waterproof matches
1 Single edge razor blade
1 Sewing kit (2 needles and thread)
1 Sparking metal (flint)
1 Fishing line
1 Sun and bug repellent, tube (1 oz.)
1 Absorbent cotton (2 grams)
1 Chamois
3 Band aids
2 Spare sinkers

iteam 3 for you to have

Integrated Individual Fighting System (IIFS) with the Following

Personal Armour System for Ground Troops (PASGT), Woodland
(AV: 14, Weight: 4.00 kg)

Helmet, Ground Troops - Parachutists (HGTP), Woodland
(AV: 12, Weight: 1.45 Kg)

Individual Tactical Load-Bearing Vest (ITLBV) Consists of
(Weight: 2 Kg)

Suspenders, Woodland w/
4x M16 Ammunition Pouches
2x M33 Grenade Pouches
Equipment Belt, Olive Drab w/ Fastex Buckle
M9 Bayonet and Carrier
Plastic E-Tool Carrier, Olive Drab, w/
Collapsible Entrenching Tool
Canteen Cover, Woodland, w/
Plastic Canteen and M1 NBC Drinking Cap
First Aid Pouch, Woodland
M17A2 Protective Mask Carrier, Olive Drab, w/
M17A1 Protective Mask
M258 Individual Decontamination Kit
M12 Ambidextrous Holster, Olive Drab

Other Equipment that maybe added

2 Quart Plastic Canteen and Cover, Olive Drab
5 Quart Flotation Bladder Canteen, Olive Drab

Field Pack, Large, with Internal Frame (FPLIF), Woodland (20 kg)
with the Following

Battle Dress Uniform (BDU), Woodland (2 pr)
M65 Combat Jacket, Woodland, w/ Liner (1)
Boots, Combat, Black, w/ armored soles (2 pr)
Undershirt, Olive Drab (4)
Underwear, Olive Drab (4 pr)
Wool Socks, Grey (6 Pr)
Rainsuit, Gore-Tex, Woodland (1 set, Jacket and Pants)
Field Cap, Ranger, Woodland (1)
Sweater, Olive Drab (1)
Belt, Nylon, Green with Fastex Buckle (2)
Long Johns, Olive Drab (2 pr)
Gloves, Combat, Inner & Outer (2 pr)
Ground Sheet, Woodland (2)
Poncho Liner, Thinsulate, Woodland (1)
Sleeping Bag, w/ Outer, Inner, Hood & Liner, Olive Drab (1)
Bivouac, Sleeping Bag Cover, Gore-Tex, Woodland
Mosquito Net, Olive Drab (1)
Bedroll, Self Inflating, Olive Drab (1)
Toilet Kit, Basic (1)
Sun/ Wind/ Dust Goggles, OD Frame
w/ Clear and Smoked Lenses (1)
Compass w/ Compass Carrier (1)
Protractor (1)
Field Message Pad (3) w/ Cover
Map Case, Olive Drab (1)
Geiger Tab (1)
M1 CBR kit (1)
I.D., Morrow Project (1)
Concentrated Meal Bar (9 Bars/ Pouch, 1 Bar/ Meal) (5 Pouchs)
Lighter, Disposable (2)
Flashlight, Crookneck, Olive Drab (1)
Box, Matches, Wind & Rain Proof (3)
Rope, 50 m, Nylon, Olive Drab (1)
String, 100 m, Cotton, Olive Drab (1)
Carabineer, Locking "D", Black (1)
Satchel, Personal Effects (1)
Cleaning Kit, Weapons, Universal (1)

here are some medical kits you might want for your home the small one is the one listed above in the kits .

Small First Aid Kit WT: 2.0 Kg

Medical kit (13" X 10 1/2" X 2 1/4" box)
Cotton swabs
Fever Themometer
"Kling" rolled gauze 4" X 5 yards
80 assorted strip and spot band-aids
4 pr. disposable gloves
Cylume sticks 1 red, 1 yellow
Wet-proof adhesive tape 1/2" X 10 yards
Paper adhesive tape 1/2" 5 yards
4 oz. drinking water, retort pack
Eye bath cup (1 Tblspn capacity)
Neosporin (antibiotic cream)
6 - 2" X 3" pads
7 - 2" X 3" adhesive pads
4 - Butterfly closures
5 - 1 1/2" X 2" pads
10 - 3" X 4" adhesive pads
7 - 4" X 4" pads
5 - 2" X 3" Biolclusive dressings
1 - triangle bandage
12 - safety pins
2 - 2 gal. zip-loc bags
1 - Cold compress, crush to activate type
Pump style snake venom remover
TRIAGE - EMERGENCY CARE HANDBOOK 191 pages 7" x 9"
Vial of Boric Acid Powder (mix 1/64 tsp. of B(OH)3 to 1 Tbl. or eyewash)
Vial of Alchohol
Vial of Hydrogen Peroxide
Vial of Witch Hazel
Vial of Dr. Orient's electrolyte replacement formula


Small Medical Kit WT: 6.50 Kg

(equipment)
eye shield
gloves sterile (2 pair)
mirror (signal)
needles
18 g (2)
20 g (2)
pill vials (3)
Q-Tips (5)
razor blade
safety pins (25 in assorted sizes)
suture
3-0 Dexon (1)
4-0 Nylon (3)
syringe
3 cc (1)
thermometer
tongue blades (5)
(instruments)
hemostat: mosquito (2)
nail clippers
needle holder (1)
pickups with teeth (1)
scalpel handle (1)
scalpel blades
#15 (1)
#11 (1)
#10 (1)
scissors: straight Mayo
(prep)
alcohol wipes (4)
Betadine ointment (6)
Betadine prep (4 oz)
Betadine wipes (4)
Dial soap (motel) (1)
(dressings)
Band-Aids (6)
cotton balls
eye dressing (pads) (2)
field dressing (2)
(battle dressing)
(Carlyle dressing)
(pressure dressing)
roller gauze 1" (1)
sponges (2 packs with 2 each)
tape (1" silk) (wrapped on matchstick
stored in 35 mm film can)
triangle bandage
38" side, 54" hypotenuse
36" side, 50" hypotenuse
Vaseline gauze (1)
(drugs, prescription)
Benadryl 50 mg/cc (1 ampule)
Epinephrine 1:1000 (2 ampules)
Lomotil (12 tabs)
Xylocaine (1% plain) (20 cc)
(drugs, non-prescription)
aspirin (adult)
Neosporin Ointment
oil of cloves (1 oz)
Tylenol (adult)
Maalox
(other first aid supplies) (not in small REI)
air splints
pocket mask with valve
ingredients for fluid replacement
sugar
NaCl
NaHCO3
Morton's Lite Salt
snake bite kit
survival blanket


Medium Medical Kit WT: 8.5 Kg

(equipment)
pill vials (4)
tongue blades (2)
gloves (sterile)
suture (1 of each)
4-0 Dexon
5-0 Dexon
4-0 Nylon
5-0 Nylon
6-0 Nylon
3-0 Silk ties
4-0 Chromic
needles
18 g (2)
20 g (2)
syringe
3 cc (1)
razor blade (Weck) (5)
safety pins (25 in assorted sizes)
insect repellent (REI Jungle Juice)
(instruments)
needle holder
hemostat (straight) (3)
scissors
straight Mayo
Paramedic
pickups without teeth
scalpel handle
scalpel blades
#15 (1)
#11 (1)
#10 (1)
signal mirror
(prep)
Betadine solution (4 oz)
Betadine wipes (4)
Betadine ointment (6)
Neosporin ointment (8)
alcohol wipes (4)
liquid soap (Campsuds) (2 oz)
(dressings)
Band-Aids (15)
Field dressing (4) (battle dressings, Carlyle
pressure dressings)
grease gauze
Vaseline (1)
Adaptic (1)
sponges (4)
tape (1" satin tape wrapped on matchstick and
stored in a pill vial)
Triangle bandage (54" hypotenuse)
(drugs, prescription)
Benadryl 50 mg/cc (1)
Epinephrine 1:1000 (2)
Atropine 0.4 mg/cc (5)
Lomotil (12)
(drugs, non-prescription)
ASA (adult)
Tylenol (adult)
Maalox
NaCl (salt) tablets


Just some iteams I tought you might like .

[jolo]

Well, what kind of revolvers and rifles, at least the caliber. how much ammunition, just saying standard ammunition means absolutely nothing.
Don't forget extra batteries for those IR sights, they tend to eat them.


I'll let you guys choose. I prefer smaller calibres, and the possibility to add self made ammunition at least in the revolvers asap. But I'll go with what others chose, for easier exchange of ammunition.

Some extra rechargeable batteries for the different gadgets is included.


These items are without a doubt something that needs specifics on. How many of each?


I don't even know what's available and how much they weigh. Can anyone help here?


Excellent idea.


Thanks :D


That is not near as much as you think it is, barbed wire is heavy, and it won't go very far unless you are simply puting up a single strand which is next to useless.


I thought about 2 strands to reduce wear on the corrals, especially where we have some of the more dangerous bulls. Some electricity might go through them, too... :D


Not disagreeing with this, but could you please give a brand name and model for what the heck it is. I am guessing that you are talking about a tiller with accessories, which I think is a good idea. Let me know please, I may have some suggestions.



Here is an interesting article and a pic: http://www.journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_SVO-Allen.html

This one has a chart on what people can do energy-wise: http://www.worldenergy.org/wec-geis/publications/reports/rural/energy_use_in_rural_areas/2_4.asp

A loader: http://www.ytmag.com/contents/agp315.htm

Some more stuff: http://www.aratricalandrini.com/doc_ing/attrezzi_agricoli.htm

And here I finally found a tractor with all the available add-ons: http://taihutractor.en.alibaba.com/product/10277441/10371666/DF_15_Series_Walking_Tractor_Power_Tiller_/Walking_Tractor.html

Here is an even better one - half as much weight, therefore I can take more spare parts. I could take two of them, too: http://taihutractor.en.alibaba.com/product/10277442/10371674/TH_81_TH_51_Series_Walking_Tractor_Power_Tiller_/Walking_Tractor.html

Or I take one of them and this even lighter (but less versatile) version: http://taihutractor.en.alibaba.com/product/10277442/10371676/TH_81_TH_51_Series_Walking_Tractor_Power_Tiller_/Walking_Tractor.html. That would allow to carry a replacement engine for each of them. Which is my choice now, if nothing speaks against that.

[jolo]

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Good ideas - I saved a little bit on medicine and the likes thinking there's enough in the hands of professionals. But it's better to be safe than sorry, and it's not that much weight.

I also just saw that I added cement twice. 1000 of the 3000 lbs will be reallocated for lumber mill eqipment - saw blades and the likes.

[jolo]

This little excavator comes at 1.5 metric tonnes (about 1700 lbs): http://www.tractor-world.com/products/hydraulic-backhoe-excavators-yc15.htm. Spareparts, oils, and so on would probably add another 1000 lbs. Maybe I'll save somewhere. Or would anyone else care for sth. like that?

Some more if ne1 is interested: http://www.ferrari-tractors.com/walking.htm

And some more equipment: http://www.chinadepot.com/t1index-7.html

[Norbert]

I thought about 2 strands to reduce wear on the corrals, especially where we have some of the more dangerous bulls. Some electricity might go through them, too... :D


Two strands of wire even with electricity will not stop a pissed off bull. It would walk right through it. This is based upon a visit to a cattle ranch years ago that some friends had. There I saw a bull go through a section of fence which was electrified, 100 feet from the power input which powered a 23 mile long section of electric fence. Didn't even slow the bull down.

[jolo]

Two strands of wire even with electricity will not stop a pissed off bull. It would walk right through it. This is based upon a visit to a cattle ranch years ago that some friends had. There I saw a bull go through a section of fence which was electrified, 100 feet from the power input which powered a 23 mile long section of electric fence. Didn't even slow the bull down.

We can't make our cowboys completely jobless, can we? :)

[Norbert]

This little excavator comes at 1.5 metric tonnes (about 1700 lbs): http://www.tractor-world.com/products/hydraulic-backhoe-excavators-yc15.htm. Spareparts, oils, and so on would probably add another 1000 lbs. Maybe I'll save somewhere. Or would anyone else care for sth. like that?

Some more if ne1 is interested: http://www.ferrari-tractors.com/walking.htm

And some more equipment: http://www.chinadepot.com/t1index-7.html

Think about the farm tractor I listed. International Harvester Farmall Cub. It may be small, but can have attachments for farming, and even had a loader.

http://www.farmallcub.com/index.htm

It is a small tractor, but tough. My family has one that was built in 1948, and it is still in working condition with 1 minor overhaul.

Farmall Cub: 1580 lbs
Manure Spreader: 800 lb
2 Row Corn Planter: 220 lb
Seed Drill: 220 lb
Sickle Mower: 80 lb
Single Bottom Plow: 80 lb
Drag Cultivator: 180 lb
Disc Harrow: 450 lb
Loader: 220 lb
Spare Parts: 240 lb

All of the Implements my family have are original to 1948, and some in many cases have been stored outside in Michigan Weather.

Also, for fuel, consider a Still: 10 gallons out put, 25 lbs material input per manday: 1000 lbs.

[Norbert]

We can't make our cowboys completely jobless, can we? :)

Cattle ranching can be tough work.:D

[jolo]

Think about the farm tractor I listed. International Harvester Farmall Cub. It may be small, but can have attachments for farming, and even had a loader.

http://www.farmallcub.com/index.htm

It is a small tractor, but tough. My family has one that was built in 1948, and it is still in working condition with 1 minor overhaul.

Farmall Cub: 1580 lbs
Manure Spreader: 800 lb
2 Row Corn Planter: 220 lb
Seed Drill: 220 lb
Sickle Mower: 80 lb
Single Bottom Plow: 80 lb
Drag Cultivator: 180 lb
Disc Harrow: 450 lb
Loader: 220 lb
Spare Parts: 240 lb

All of the Implements my family have are original to 1948, and some in many cases have been stored outside in Michigan Weather.

Also, for fuel, consider a Still: 10 gallons out put, 25 lbs material input per manday: 1000 lbs.

Your tractor is good. I can delete the corn planter from my list, then - won't fit to my other stuff anyways. I thought it was something to be pulled by a horse. The tractor would be a good community item, though - especially for the main settlement.

I also found a 200 pound walking tractor with lots of extras: http://www.glomanet.com/mab/mab2.htm. One can even add a seat to them, a sprinkler (suitable for manure?), and all kinds of other stuff. I take 2 of them, plus add-ons, plus spare parts.

On the same site, one can also find a tractor weighing about 600 lbs. Your decision whether to take two of them or 1 proven machine.

I hoped I could get oil distilled with lighter equipment. But I can handle it. I'll simply save 400 lbs on my distillery and 400 lbs on lumber mill spare parts.

As Norbert just enlightened me that we have enough sulfur in the area, I'll save those 1000 lbs and use 300 lbs for work security (gas masks, dust masks, helmets, protective clothing, gloves...), 300 lbs for some conveniences like showers, taps, plastic pipes, and so on, and 300 lbs for cigarettes (among 18 grown ups should be a few smokers - which I forgot), and 100 lbs of seeds for plants with other but nutritional value (rubber, tobacco, chemicals...).

I'll also save 1000 lbs on clothing and go for a gas pump, a few gas tanks, a gas welder, a gas heater, a few gas burners, a few hoses, and so on instead. Gas should be available easily in our area, we shouldn't waste it. We can also get methane from our wastes.

[Norbert]

Your tractor is good. I can delete the corn planter from my list, then - won't fit to my other stuff anyways. I thought it was something to be pulled by a horse. The tractor would be a good community item, though - especially for the main settlement.

I also found a 200 pound walking tractor with lots of extras: http://www.glomanet.com/mab/mab2.htm. One can even add a seat to them, a sprinkler (suitable for manure?), and all kinds of other stuff. I take 2 of them, plus add-ons, plus spare parts.

On the same site, one can also find a tractor weighing about 600 lbs. Your decision whether to take two of them or 1 proven machine.

I hoped I could get oil distilled with lighter equipment. But I can handle it. I'll simply save 400 lbs on my distillery and 400 lbs on lumber mill spare parts.

Sorry, that reference is to a alcohol still. Using vegetation to make Methenol

[Norbert]

Revised my equipment list. Heres the real one:D

Item Number Weight Each Total Weight
Blue Jeans 30 1.5 45
Ragg Wool Sweater 10 1.5 15
Flannel Shirts (3) 40 1 40
Briefs (3) 40 0.5 20
T-Shirt (5) 80 1 80
Canvas Shirt (3) 46 1 46
Socks (4 pr) 70 1 70
Boots 20 4 80
Canteen, Blanket Covered w/Cup 4 1 4
Hand Held military Radio 2 2.2 4.4
Towel 60 0.5 30
BDU 20 2 40
Toilet Paper Case (96) 10 38.4 384
Tampons (1000) 10 39 390
2 Qt Canning Jars 400 0.5 200
Rubber Gaskets 1 75 75
Bugout Kit 3 12 36
Personal Survival Kit 3 2 6
Integrated Ind. Fighting System 1 16.5 16.5
Leather Gloves 20 0.5 10
Blanket, Wool 20 4 80
Bed Linens 20 4 80
Pillows 8 2.5 20
Day Pack 2 2.5 5
Frame Pack 1 5 5
Multifuel Lantern 4 4 16
Folding Stool 4 1 4
Folding Camp Arm Chair 2 4 8
Folding Table 1 5 5
5 Gallon Watercan 1 5 5
22 Gallon Water Barrel 1 11 11
Whistle (20) 1 1 1
Fabric Repair Kit 40 1 40
Penlight 10 0.1 1
Batteries (Rechargable NiMH) 0
AA 40 0.05 2
D 40 0.2 8
9 volt 20 0.1 2
Ka-Bar 2 1 2
Crookneck Flashlight 4 0.5 2
Krypton Bulb (16) 10 1 10
Lifeboat Matches (200) 10 1 10
Magnesium Firestarter (5) 2 1 2
Nylon Belt & Buckle 20 0.25 5
Lantern Box 1 7 7
Gill Net 12'x4' 4 0.25 1
Fiskers Supersnips 2 0.25 0.5
50 hr Emergancy Candle (2) 2 1.5 3
Field Soap (4) 60 1 60
Rain Gear 6 2 12
200' Lightline 2 0.25 0.5
Poncho 4 1 4
Poncho Liner 4 2 8
All' Gun Cleaning Kit 2 3 6
Gun Oil, Gallon 5 8 40
Black Powder Solvent, Gallon 5 8 40
Muzzle Lube (4 tubes) 10 1 10
Cleaning Patches (400) 10 1 10
Whetstone 2 0.5 1
Colt 1860 Revolver w/2 spare cylinders 1 3 3
Hawkens Flintlock Conversion 6 0.75 4.5
Nipples for Hawkens Percussion Caps (20) 2 1 2
Percussion Caps (10,000) 1 12.5 12.5
Smokeless Powder lb 50 1 50
Coffee: Instant: lb 50 1 50
Teabags (200) 50 1 50
Beds, Double 2 70 140
Chest of Drawers 2 40 80
Books: Hardcover 1 120 120
Metal Shelves 10 10 100
Love Seat, Brocade 1 75 75
Davenport, Brocade 1 125 125
Wing Back Chairs 2 25 50
Albums 80 0.5 40
Food: lb 400 1 400
Ruger Blackhawk .357 2 4 8
Remington M32 12GA dbl 1 8 8
M97 Trench Gun 2 9 18
M1917 Bayonet 2 1.5 3
12 GA (240 rd) All Brass 7 24 168
.30-06 (500 rd) 2 29 58
.357M (1000 rd) 2 32.4 64.8
Bandoleer 1 0.5 0.5
Military Style Holster 2 0.5 1
Mountain Troop Cook Set 3 1 3
GI Duffel Bag 2 3 6
Truck Shovel 2 4 8
E-Tool 2 3 6
Diamond Bench Stone Set 2 3 6
Leather Holster 3 2 6
Leather Cylinder Pouch (2) 3 1 3
Holster Belt 2 2 4
Leather Scabbard/Case 2 5 10
Herb Seeds 2 5 10
Black Pepper: lb 4 1 4
Individual Home Power System 1 355 355
S4'x8'x0.25” Sheet Plexiglass 2.5 39 97.5
Hinges 57 2 114
1/4” Carriage Bolts, Nuts and Washers (10) 20 1 20
Toilet, Fixtures,and spare parts 1 40 40
328 Gallon Septic Tank 1 360 360
100' 4” Septic Pipe 1 88.4 88.4
240' Drain Field Pipe 1 176.9 176.9
370 Gallon Water Tank 1 109 109
Kitchen Sink And Fixtures 1 60 60
Bathroom Sink and Fixtures 1 25 25
3/4” PVC Pipe (100 foot) and fittings 1 20 20
Field Phone 1 9 9
Roll Underground Phone Line (328') 4 4.5 18
Cast Iron Cookware Set 1 48 48
100 pc Dish Set 1 50 50
33 pc Glassware Set 1 16.5 16.5
80 pc Tableware Set 1 12 12
8 cf DC Freezer 1 130 130
Simple Pump' 1 12 12
Hand Well Pump 1 70 70
150 ft 2” Well Pipe 1 147 147
150 ft Drop Pipe Kit 1 97.5 97.5
6” Lag Bolts (5) 18 1 18


Total 5910

Some things may seem odd, but the is a madness to purpose, or is that a purpose to my madness?:D

[Norbert]

A list put together for NPC members: Total is 4409 lbs with 1591 lbs for personal choices, 1500 lbs for their village, and 500 lbs for the benefit of everyone (Please remember that the weight they contribute to the community is counted as an investment, which may be collected when we start becoming self-sufficient in those materials)

Item Number Weight Each Total Weight
Blue Jeans 60 1.5 90
Ragg Wool Sweater 20 1.5 30
Flannel Shirts (3) 60 1 60
Briefs (3) 100 0.5 50
T-Shirt (5) 100 1 100
Canvas Shirt (3) 60 1 60
Socks (4 pr) 100 1 100
Boots 12 5 60
Canteen, Blanket Covered w/Cup 4 1 4
Walkie-Talkie 2 3 6
Towel 120 0.5 60
BDU 20 2 40
Toilet Paper Case (96) 10 38.4 384
Tampons (1000) 10 39 390
2 Qt Canning Jars 1200 0.5 600
Rubber Gaskets 1 200 200
Bugout Kit 4 12 48
Personal Survival Kit 4 2 8
Integrated Ind. Fighting System 1 16.5 16.5
Leather Gloves 20 0.5 10
Blanket, Wool 40 4 160
Bed Linens 20 4 80
Pillows 8 2.5 20
Day Pack 2 2.5 5
Frame Pack 2 5 10
Multifuel Lantern 4 4 16
Folding Stool 4 1 4
Folding Camp Arm Chair 2 4 8
Folding Table 2 5 10
5 Gallon Watercan 2 5 10
22 Gallon Water Barrel 2 11 22
Whistle (20) 1 1 1
Fabric Repair Kit 40 1 40
Penlight 10 0.1 1

Batteries
AA 120 0.05 6
D 120 0.2 24
9 volt 80 0.1 8

Ka-Bar 4 1 4
Crookneck Flashlight 5 0.5 2.5
Krypton Bulb (16) 25 1 25
Lifeboat Matches (200) 10 1 10
Magnesium Firestarter (5) 2 1 2
Nylon Belt & Buckle 20 0.25 5
Lantern Box 1 7 7
Gill Net 12'x4' 4 0.25 1
Fiskers Supersnips 2 0.25 0.5
50 hr Emergancy Candle (2) 2 1.5 3
Field Soap (4) 60 1 60
Rain Gear 6 2 12
200' Lightline 2 0.25 0.5
Poncho 4 1 4
Poncho Liner 4 2 8
150' Rapelling Rope 2 9 18
All' Gun Cleaning Kit 3 3 9
Gun Oil, Gallon 5 8 40
Black Powder Solvent, Gallon 5 8 40
Muzzle Lube (4 tubes) 10 1 10
Cleaning Patches (400) 10 1 10
Whetstone 2 0.5 1
Colt 1860 Revolver w/2 spare cylinders 2 3 6
Hawkens Flintlock Conversion 6 0.75 4.5
Nipples for Hawkens Percussion Caps (20) 2 1 2
Percussion Caps (10,000) 1 12.5 12.5
Smokeless Powder lb 100 1 100
Coffee: Instant: lb 50 1 50
Teabags (200) 50 1 50
Beds, Double 2 70 140
Chest of Drawers 2 40 80
Books: Hardcover 1 150 150
Metal Shelves 10 10 100
Love Seat, Brocade 1 75 75
Davenport, Brocade 1 125 125
Wing Back Chairs 2 25 50
Albums 100 0.5 50
Food: lb 400 1 400

4409

[Norbert]

A list for a village community, based on 72,835 lbs contributed: (11,266 lbs is seed, my next post)

Group A
Item Number Weight Each Total Weight
Farmall Cub 1 1580.00 1580
Manure Spreader 1 800.00 800
2 Row Corn Planter 1 220.00 220
Seed Drill 1 220.00 220
Sickle Mower 2 80.00 160
Single Bottom Plow 1 80.00 80
Drag Cultivator 1 180.00 180
Disk Harrow 1 450.00 450
Spare Parts 5 120.00 600
Alcohol Still (10 Gal/manday/25 lb input) 1 1000.00 1000
Jerry Cans 40 5.00 200

Technical Books 1 516.00 516
Drug Kit 2 66.00 132
Small First Aid Kit 20 4.50 90
Small Medical Kit 10 14.50 145
Medium Medical Kit 5 19.00 95
Large Medical/Surgical Kit 2 25.00 50
Metal Medical Chest (2.5 cf) 2 25.00 50

32 pc Glassware set 20 16.00 320
100 pc Dishes 20 60.00 1200
120 pc Silverware 20 18.00 360
Hand Washer 1 47.00 47
Pressure Cooker (Large) 4 50.00 200

Hershey Liquid Chocolate 25 1.00 25
Fruit Muffin Mixes 25 5.00 125
Baby Formula 100 2.50 250
Glass Baby Bottles 100 0.38 38
Nipples 1 50.00 50
Cloth Diapers (3) 200 1.00 200
Diaper Pins (20) 5 1.00 5
Straight Pins (1000) 20 1.00 20
German Silver Sewing Needles (800) 10 1.00 10
Safety Pins (200) 10 1.00 10
Buttons: Large and Medium Size (40) 40 1.00 40
Furrier Needles (50) 18 1.00 18
Fur Knives 18 0.50 9
Fur Knife Replacement Blades (4) 10 1.00 10
Fur Scrapper 18 3.00 54
Furriers Thread (1000 yd) 18 1.50 27
Sewing Thread (13) 100 1.00 100

1475 Gallon Tank 2 351.00 702
1685 Gallon Tank 2 389.00 778
3” Endopoly 100PSI pipe (100 ft) 4 89.10 356.4
1.25” Endopoly 200 PSI pipe (100 ft) 16 41.50 664
2” PVC Pipe Foot 600 0.98 590.4
1” Endopoly 200PSI pipe (100 ft) 8 24.10 192.8
PVC Fittings (3”, 2”, 1.25”, 1”) + Glue 4 200.00 800
Wind Mill Tower, 40 foot 1 75.00 75
Well Digging Set (200 foot depth) 2 200.00 400
RAM Pump 2 270.00 540

One Man Crosscut: 4-1/2 ft blade 3 6.25 18.75
Two Man Crosscut: 5 ft blade 3 5.25 15.75
Two Man Crosscut: 6-1/2 ft blade 3 7.00 21
Saw Tools 4 3.00 12
Two Man Saw Handles (pair) 32 1.50 48
One Man Saw Handles 18 1.50 27
Maul 5 10.00 50
Broad Axe 10 6.00 60
Adze 10 4.00 40
Stanley New Type Axe 12 7.00 84
Carpentry Chest of Tools 3 80.00 240

Chicken Wire: 6'x150' 10 83.00 830
Plexiglass: 48”x96”x0.25” 20 39.00 780
Super Mag Hauler:Dual Wheel (700 lb cap) 4 46.00 184
Benjamin Moore Nahaho White Paint (5 Gal) 10 37.50 375
Barn Paint (5 Gal) 10 37.50 375
Hinges 240 2.00 480
Latches 120 1.50 180
Bolts: 3/4”x12” 200 1.00 200
Nuts& Washers: 3/4” (2) 200 0.25 50
Shingling Hammer 20 1.25 25

Field Phones 4 9.00 36
Underground Phone Wire (328 ft) 16 4.50 72
Shoe Repair Tool Set 1 21.00 21
Group B
Case .30-06 Ammo (500) 15 29.00 435
Springfield '03 Star Series 3 9.00 27
Leupold 4-12x Scopes 8 0.75 6
Spotting Scope: 20-60x 2 7.00 14

Group C
Meat Thermometers (4) 8 1.00 8
Candy Thermometers (3) 10 1.00 10
Hog Pot 2 60.00 120
6 Gallon Wine Kit 5 50.00 250
6 Gallon Carbouy, Glass 20 40.00 800
Corks (1000) 2 20.00 40
750ml Wine Bottles 36 1.50 54
500ml Beer Bottles, Self Cap 48 1.00 48
Grind Stone 2 50.00 100
Crank Record Player 2 45.00 90
Case Paper (5000 sheets) 8 49.50 396
Journel Notebooks (500 pages) 60 5.00 300
Pencils (144) 24 1.00 24
Pens (24) Balloon Fountain 12 1.00 12
Block Black Ink (1 lb) 20 1.00 20
Baby Strollers 10 14.00 140
36 Cup Stainless Steel Coffee Pot 4 3.00 12
28 Cup Stainless Steel Coffee Pot 4 2.50 10
14 Cup Stainless Steel Coffee Pot 4 1.50 6
Cast Iron Cookware Set 5 48.00 240
Wind Mill Grinder 1 135.00 135
Boss Peanut & Coffee Roaster: ½ Bsl Cap 1 37.00 37
Coffee Mill 2 5.00 10
Platform/Counter Scale 2 43.00 86
Fruit, Wine & Jelly Press 6 12.50 75
Parafin lb 200 1.00 200
Pepper & Spice Mill 6 0.50 3
Bee Keeper Starter Kit & Bees 1 112.00 112
Popcorn Popper: Hand, Open Fire 8 3.00 24
Handkercheifs (25) 40 1.00 40
Shampoo: lb 160 1.00 160
Laundry Soap: 5 Gallon: Concentrated Powder 12 50.00 600

Individual Home Power System 2 355.00 710
6 circuit Marine Rated Fuse Box 6 4 24
Fuses (up to 100 Amp) 320 0.125 40
PT 12/24-60 60 Amp Charge Controller 8 8 64
TriMetric Battery System Monitor 20 0.3 6
12VDC/30A DPDT Relay 80 0.25 20
Thin Light 312 DC Light Fixture 80 1 80
Thin Light 160I18 Hv Duty Porch Light 10 2 20
12VDC 15 Watt Tube Ballast 90 2 180
13 Watt Compact Flourescent Bulb 360 0.5 180
6 Gauge Copper Wire (3 Strands)(12.58 Feet) 200 3 600
Community Power System
55 Watt Flexible Solar Panel 50 3.7 185
Vision CL 1500AH SLA 10 220 2200
Pulse Conditioner 12 6 72
Samex 2750W/12V Inverter 8 22 176
Sun Saver 6 Solar Controller 60 0.5 30
12 circuit Marine Rated Fuse Box 5 6 30
Fuses (up to 100 Amp) 200 0.125 25
DLS 12V/90A Power Supply/Charger 20 7.8 156
TriMetric Battery System Monitor 20 0.3 6
12VDC/30A DPDT Relay 40 0.25 10
Thin Light 312 DC Light Fixture 48 1 48
Thin Light 160I18 Hv Duty Porch Light 6 2 12
12VDC 15 Watt Tube Ballast 120 2 240
13 Watt Compact Flourescent Bulb 480 0.5 240
00 Gauge Copper Wire (3 Strands)(2.48 feet) 180 3 540
6 Gauge Copper Wire (3 Strands)(12.58 Feet) 50 3 150
I Sun Battery Pack Solar Recharger 24 0.5 12
Coleman Portable Power Kit 10 1 10
Rutland Furlmatic 1803 1 122.00 122
80 ft Tower 1 175.00 175
Auger Mount 1 60.00 60
3/4” Cable 10 yd 20 4.25 85
Gin Pole/Hinged Tower Base Kit 1 90.00 90
TE 12 volt Flourecent Bases 80 2.00 160
TE 12 Volt 3-1/4” tubes 400 1.00 400
Charge Controller 60 0.50 30
Black & Decker Rechargable Battery/Backup 3 35.00 105
17 cf Refrigerator (AC) 2 190.00 380
25 cf Chest Freezer (AC) 6 397.00 2382
8 cf DC Chest Freezer 2 130.00 260
8 cf DC Chest Refrigerator 2 130.00 260
R-134a Refrigerant (lb) 200 1.00 200
Staber Commercial Steel Washer 5 175.00 875
1250 Gallon Septic Tank 2 870 1740
1000 ft 4” Septic Pipe 1 885 885
1400 ft 4” Perferated Pipe 1 1238 1238
1000 ft 1.25” Potable Water Pipe 1 148 148
1000 ft 3/4” PVC Pipe and fittings 2 80 160
Toilets, Sixtures, Spare Parts (30) 1 1200 1200
20 Sinks and Fixtures 1 500 500
3 bay Commercial Sink & Fixtures 2 125 250

Keg of 60d Spikes (800) 16 100.00 1600
Keg of 10d Nails (4100) 16 100.00 1600
Keg of 8d Copper Shingle Nails (6100) 12 100.00 1200
Husky Industrial Tricycle (450 lb capacity w/rider) 8 75.00 600
Husky 26 Industrial Bicycle (300 lb pers.+50 lb cargo) 8 65.00 520
Burley Flatbed Bicycle Trailer (100 lb cap) 16 13.00 208
0
Pottery Kick Wheel 2 210.00 420
Pottery Books 1 60.00 60
Glazes, Dry (50 lb Bags) 6 50.00 300
Misc Tolls for Pottery 1 250.00 250
Masonry Tools 1 80.00 80
Cement, 80lb bag 5 80.00 400
Hand Cement Mixer 6 6.00 36
Hoes 32 4.00 128
Hand Cultivators 32 3.00 96
Horse/Man Drawn Fire Wagon 1 350.00 350
Well Pump: Hand 2 70.00 140
Drop Pipe Kits: 200 foot 2 130.00 260
Model T240 transformer 2 39.50 79
Simple Pump' 1/5 hp Motor Kit 4 12.00 48
Green 'Black' Boards 8 40.00 320
Chalk 120 1.00 120
Parlor Table Games 1 200.00 200
Hack Saw 20 0.75 15
Hack Saw Blades 200 0.25 50
Mechanics Tools 1 300.00 300
Electrical Tape: (150 ft) 360 0.50 180
Movie Projector 2 25.00 50
Movie Projector Bulbs (25) 4 1.00 4
Movie Reels 40 5.00 200
Movie Screen 1 15.00 15
Dish Soap Gallon 100 8.00 800
Soap (4 Bars) 200 1.00 200
Butcher Knife Sets 10 8.00 80
Chocolate Chips 25 1.00 25
Individual Wrap Hard Candies 100 1.00 100
Parlor Piano 1 800.00 800
Cabinet Organ 1 350.00 350
Grain Bags (100) 50 10.00 500

Military Leather Sling 1-1/4” 10 1.50 15
Vanguard Progold 8-3/4” Knife 12 0.44 5.25
Vanguard Progold Zipper 8-1/2” Knife 12 0.44 5.25
Vanguard Progold 10-1/4” Knife 12 0.50 6
Alaska Triple Knife Set 12 2.00 24
Alaska Muskrat Skinner 12 0.25 3
Kodi Pack: Gutter, Caping, Saw and Case 12 3.00 36
Ratchet Pruners 4 0.75 3
Long Handle Ratchet Pruners 4 2.50 10
Wheel Barrow: Steel 5 32.00 160
Heavy Block and Tackle 6 10.00 60
Chain Hoist 4 20.00 80
Mattock 5 6.00 30
Pick Axe 5 7.00 35
Shovel (Spade) 28 4.00 112
Shovel (Flat) 8 4.00 32
Sickle 20 3.00 60
Scythe 12 6.00 72
Snathes 36 3.00 108
Modular Tent System 2 139.00 278
Glass Blowing Pipes 3 6.00 18
Ti-85 Scientific Calculator 24 0.75 18
NiMH AAA rechargable Batteries 10 Pack 48 0.30 14.4
Fire Chief Fire Cook Set 3 14.00 42
Sausage Kits: 9 types 80 6.75 540
Plastic Meat Tubs (3) 100 1.00 100
Industrial French Fry Cutter 5 8.00 40
Commercial Fry Pot & Basket: 32 qt 3 6.00 18
Commercial Fry Pot & Basket: 60 qt 3 8.00 24
Commercial Fry Pot & Basket: 80 qt 3 10.00 30
Pectin 200 1.00 200
Trattorina Deluxe Pasta Machine (Hand) 6 12.00 72
Whey 300 1.00 300
Beer Yeast 200 1.00 200
Wine Yeast 200 1.00 200
1 Qt Canning Jars 1000 0.30 300
1 pt Canning Jars 1000 0.20 200
Two Wheeled Carts 12 25.00 300
Floor Planes 12 12.00 144
Chaps 12 8.00 96
Leather Cavalry Saddle Bags 18 5.00 90
Leather Cavalry Rifle Scabbards 18 4.00 72
18' x 27' Canopy w/Wall Kits 6 85.00 510
54 Qt Steel Cooler 4 22.00 88
Long Hunters 'Possibilities' Bag, .54 Hawkens 32 5.00 160
200 yd #4 Cloth (66” wide) 1 562.50 562.5
200 yd #8 Cloth (66” wide) 1 412.50 412.5
400 yd #10 Cloth (66” wide) 1 675.00 675
400 yd #12 Cloth (66” wide) 1 525.00 525
400 yd #14 Cloth (66” wide) 1 375.00 375

61569

[Norbert]

Seeds for a 'sub-community': 11,266 lbs, 320 acres:

1 Acre Planting Acres Wgt/Acre Total Wgt
Oats 12 75.00 900
Winter Wheat 15 120.00 1800
Spring Wheat 15 120.00 1800
Barley 8 160.00 1280
Winter Rye 8 90.00 720
Vetch 3 50.00 150
Alfalfa 3 15.00 45
Italian Ryegrass 15 40.00 600
Perenial Ryegrass 15 40.00 600
Dry Beans 6 50.00 300
Early Potato Seed 20 5.00 100
Late Potato Seed 20 5.00 100
Seed Onions 4 4.00 16
Peanuts 2 60.00 120
Bush Beans 2 100.00 200
Pole Beans 2 50.00 100
Lima Beans 2 100.00 200
Sugar Beets 3 14.00 42
Broccoli 3 1.00 3
Brussel Sprouts 3 1.00 3
Cabbage 5 1.00 5
Medium Carrots 4 3.00 12
Cauliflower 3 1.00 3
Celery 1 80.00 80
Chard 2 2.00 4
Collards 2 3.00 6
Corn, Sweet 12 10.00 120
Corn, Field 30 8.00 240
Cucumbers 5 3.00 15
Eggplant 3 1.00 3
Endive 2 3.00 6
Kale 3 3.00 9
Kohlrabi 3 3.00 9
Leek 2 4.00 8
Lettuce 6 1.00 6
Muskmelon 5 3.00 15
Mustard 4 4.00 16
Okra 1 8.00 8
Parsley 1 4.00 4
Parsnip 3 4.00 12
Peas 3 140.00 420
Green Peppers 3 1.00 3
Red Peppers 3 1.00 3
Chile Peppers 2 1.00 2
Large Pumpkins 2 1.00 2
Radish 4 12.00 48
Rutabega 4 2.00 8
Spinach 5 15.00 75
Summer Squash 10 5.00 50
Winter Squash 10 4.00 40
Tomatoe 8 1.00 8
Turnips 2 2.00 4
Large Watermelons 2 3.00 6
Small Watermelons 2 2.00 4
Pop-Corn Seed: Acre 2 10.00 20

320
Type Number Wgt Each Wgt Total
Fruit Trees Saplings 448 1.50 672
Grape Vines 50 1.00 50
Rose Bushes 24 1.00 24
Flower Seeds lb 20 1.00 20
Blueberry, Raspberry Seedlings 200 0.50 100
Hops Rhizomes (1 each of 22 types) 4 11.00 44
Strawberry Seed 3 1.00 3

11266

[Gerard-ABC]

Gerard & Sophie's Items List for the Resupply - v2.0 - 14-01-2006
================================================== ===============

Thanks to Norbert, Ward, Sion, and everyone for their advice on these items.


NOTE : Any duplicates are intentional - one set for us, the other for the community.


Community Allowance ( 2000 lb )
================================
Saw blades for lumber mill 200 lb each x 3 = 600 lb
Small sledge hammer 4 lb each x 10 = 40 lb
Falling wedge 8 lb each x 10 = 80 lb
Case 30-06 ammo ( 500 rds ) 29 lb each x 3 = 87 lb
Electronics tool kit = 100 lb
Carpenters tool kit = 100 lb
Chemistry lab / industry equipment = 200 lb
10" x 14' aluminium pipe 60 lb each x 2 = 120 lb
Copy/Printer Paper is 50 lbs per case (5000 sheets) x 2 = 10,000 sheets = 100 lb
Journal/Lab Books are 5 lbs for each 500 pages x 4 = 20 lb
Pencils are 1 lb/gross (144) x 3 = 432 = 3 lb
Burlap bags for grains (10 lb for 100) x 10 = 1000 = 100 lb
raspberry seeds / plants ( 50-50 split ) = 40 lb
onions < as above > = 100 lb
carrots < as above > = 50 lb
potatoes < as above > = 70 lb
tomatoes < as above > = 40 lb
peas < as above > = 60 lb
cocoa tree beans, for making chocolate = 40 lb
Ice Tongs that open to 24" are 4 lb x 5 = 20 lb
Hand Ice Saw 3 lbs each x 10 = 30 lb
===============
Total = 2000 lb
===============


Personnal Allowance ( 6000 lb ) ( Gerard & Sophie )
================================================== =====

NOTE : %%% = These are detailed below. ********** As in Ward's lists *********

Individual Home Lighting System & Fridge & Freezer = 742.5 lb
Survival Kits x 10 %%% = 195 lb
Small First Aid Kit x 3 %%% = 13.2 lb
Small Medical Kit x 3 %%% = 42.9 lb
Medium Medical Kit x 2 %%% = 37.4 lb
Well Pumps for a windmill pump, = 360 lb
hand pump supplement = 70 lb
Water Storage: 1475 gallon Covered Fiberglass tank = 351 lb
Carpenters tool kit x 2 = 200 lb
cocoa tree beans, for making chocolate = 100 lb
raspberry seeds / plants ( 50-50 split ) = 100 lb
onions < as above > = 100 lb
carrots < as above > = 50 lb
potatoes < as above > = 100 lb
peas < as above > = 100 lb
tomatoes < as above > = 100 lb
Plow = 100 lb

1901 Acme Princess Cook Stove ( Burns Coal, Coke, or Wood ) = 212 lb
Cookware / plates / misc kitchen stuff = 100 lb
Case 30-06 ammo ( 500 rds ) 29 lb each x 3 = 87 lb
Wind mill grinder: 8- 15 bushel capacity per hour = 30 lb
Galvanized Steel Windmill 8 foot diameter wheel with 32 foot pump rod = 335 lb
Chain: 40 foot lengths with heavy hooks (suitable for logging ) = 50 lb
Battery chargers ( solar / wind / water-powered )
Drills / jigsaw / power tools / parts / batteries = 170 lb
Copy/Printer Paper is 50 lbs per case (5000 sheets) = 50 lb
Journal/Lab Books are 5 lbs for each 500 pages ( for plans / notes ) x 4 = 20 lb
Pencils are 1 lb/gross (144) x 3 = 432 = 3 lb
Field phone, phone wire x 2 = 27 lb

Clothing / misc personal items / books / bathroom items / bedding = 654 lb
/ entertainment / misc anything we forgot / sports equipment
/ folding camp beds

Mountain Home freeze dried food = 1500 lb
3000 cal./day - 2.5 lbs (75 lbs/30 days) x 10 = 750 lb for 300 days x 2 ( for 2 people )

===============
Total = 6000 lb
===============



Individual Home Lighting System & Fridge & Freezer
--------------------------------------------------
55 Watt Flexible Solar Panel 44.4 lb
Vision CL 1500AH SLA 220
6 circuit Marine Rated Fuse Boxes 8
Fuses (up to 100 Amp) 12.5
PT 12/24-60 60 Amp Charge Controller 16
TriMetric Battery System Monitor 0.6
12VDC/30A DPDT Relay 20 5
Thin Light 312 DC Light Fixture 16
Thin Light 160I18 Hv Duty Porch Light 4
12VDC 15 Watt Tube Ballast 48
13 Watt Compact Flourescent Bulbs 48
6 Gauge Copper Wire (3 Strands) 60
8 cu ft DC Refrigerator: = 130 lb
8 cu ft DC Freezer: = 130 lb


Regards,
Gerard & Sophie

[Norbert]

Gerard, a note on the flouresent ballast and bulbs: The ballast should be good to run several bulbs before it is 'defunct'. The ones I listed were the type of ballast base that a bulb is plugged into.

Nice list.

[SionEwig]

A list put together for NPC members: Total is 4409 lbs with 1591 lbs for personal choices, 1500 lbs for their village, and 500 lbs for the benefit of everyone (Please remember that the weight they contribute to the community is counted as an investment, which may be collected when we start becoming self-sufficient in those materials)

Item Number Weight Each Total Weight

Penlight 10 0.1 1




Crookneck Flashlight 5 0.5 2.5
Krypton Bulb (16) 25 1 25


Beds, Double 2 70 140
Chest of Drawers 2 40 80

Metal Shelves 10 10 100
Love Seat, Brocade 1 75 75
Davenport, Brocade 1 125 125
Wing Back Chairs 2 25 50

4409

Snipped a bunch cause I have no comment on those items.

Excellent list, and a very good idea to have some kind of idea what all those faceless NPCs have.

A few comments on a few items.

The penlight, suggest you go with one of the white LED versions. They use much less battery power and the LEDs last much longer than any other type of bulb, same for the crookneck though it would have multiple LEDs. Personally I think that more people would go with some thyp of Mag Light (not that it is necessarily better, just that people would go for it.

I have trouble thinking that most people would use 570 lbs for the furniture, except perhaps for the metal shelves, those can be useful and are weight-wise a good choice. I think that people might go with mattresses and cushions for chairs etc., but not all the furniture. Just my opinion though.

I also think that you ought to indicate some additional modern ammunition. I know that it could be in the 1591 lbs of personal weight, but I do believe that most people would take more than the first brought.

Overall, good list and idea.

[Ward]

Gerard & Sophie's Items List for the Resupply - v2.0 - 14-01-2006
================================================== ===============

Thanks to Norbert, Ward, Sion, and everyone for their advice on these items.


NOTE : Any duplicates are intentional - one set for us, the other for the community.


Community Allowance ( 2000 lb )
================================
Saw blades for lumber mill 200 lb each x 3 = 600 lb
Small sledge hammer 4 lb each x 10 = 40 lb
Falling wedge 8 lb each x 10 = 80 lb
Case 30-06 ammo ( 500 rds ) 29 lb each x 3 = 87 lb
Electronics tool kit = 100 lb
Carpenters tool kit = 100 lb
Chemistry lab / industry equipment = 200 lb
10" x 14' aluminium pipe 60 lb each x 2 = 120 lb
Copy/Printer Paper is 50 lbs per case (5000 sheets) x 2 = 10,000 sheets = 100 lb
Journal/Lab Books are 5 lbs for each 500 pages x 4 = 20 lb
Pencils are 1 lb/gross (144) x 3 = 432 = 3 lb
Burlap bags for grains (10 lb for 100) x 10 = 1000 = 100 lb
raspberry seeds / plants ( 50-50 split ) = 40 lb
onions < as above > = 100 lb
carrots < as above > = 50 lb
potatoes < as above > = 70 lb
tomatoes < as above > = 40 lb
peas < as above > = 60 lb
cocoa tree beans, for making chocolate = 40 lb
Ice Tongs that open to 24" are 4 lb x 5 = 20 lb
Hand Ice Saw 3 lbs each x 10 = 30 lb
===============
Total = 2000 lb
===============


Personnal Allowance ( 6000 lb ) ( Gerard & Sophie )
================================================== =====

NOTE : %%% = These are detailed below. ********** As in Ward's lists *********

Individual Home Lighting System & Fridge & Freezer = 742.5 lb
Survival Kits x 10 %%% = 195 lb
Small First Aid Kit x 3 %%% = 13.2 lb
Small Medical Kit x 3 %%% = 42.9 lb
Medium Medical Kit x 2 %%% = 37.4 lb
Well Pumps for a windmill pump, = 360 lb
hand pump supplement = 70 lb
Water Storage: 1475 gallon Covered Fiberglass tank = 351 lb
Carpenters tool kit x 2 = 200 lb
cocoa tree beans, for making chocolate = 100 lb
raspberry seeds / plants ( 50-50 split ) = 100 lb
onions < as above > = 100 lb
carrots < as above > = 50 lb
potatoes < as above > = 100 lb
peas < as above > = 100 lb
tomatoes < as above > = 100 lb
Plow = 100 lb

1901 Acme Princess Cook Stove ( Burns Coal, Coke, or Wood ) = 212 lb
Cookware / plates / misc kitchen stuff = 100 lb
Case 30-06 ammo ( 500 rds ) 29 lb each x 3 = 87 lb
Wind mill grinder: 8- 15 bushel capacity per hour = 30 lb
Galvanized Steel Windmill 8 foot diameter wheel with 32 foot pump rod = 335 lb
Chain: 40 foot lengths with heavy hooks (suitable for logging ) = 50 lb
Battery chargers ( solar / wind / water-powered )
Drills / jigsaw / power tools / parts / batteries = 170 lb
Copy/Printer Paper is 50 lbs per case (5000 sheets) = 50 lb
Journal/Lab Books are 5 lbs for each 500 pages ( for plans / notes ) x 4 = 20 lb
Pencils are 1 lb/gross (144) x 3 = 432 = 3 lb
Field phone, phone wire x 2 = 27 lb

Clothing / misc personal items / books / bathroom items / bedding = 654 lb
/ entertainment / misc anything we forgot / sports equipment
/ folding camp beds

Mountain Home freeze dried food = 1500 lb
3000 cal./day - 2.5 lbs (75 lbs/30 days) x 10 = 750 lb for 300 days x 2 ( for 2 people )

===============
Total = 6000 lb
===============



Individual Home Lighting System & Fridge & Freezer
--------------------------------------------------
55 Watt Flexible Solar Panel 44.4 lb
Vision CL 1500AH SLA 220
6 circuit Marine Rated Fuse Boxes 8
Fuses (up to 100 Amp) 12.5
PT 12/24-60 60 Amp Charge Controller 16
TriMetric Battery System Monitor 0.6
12VDC/30A DPDT Relay 20 5
Thin Light 312 DC Light Fixture 16
Thin Light 160I18 Hv Duty Porch Light 4
12VDC 15 Watt Tube Ballast 48
13 Watt Compact Flourescent Bulbs 48
6 Gauge Copper Wire (3 Strands) 60
8 cu ft DC Refrigerator: = 130 lb
8 cu ft DC Freezer: = 130 lb


Regards,
Gerard & Sophie



Great list I knew I forgot something it was the Frezer and Ref .

I tell you what is hell is trying to get enough iteams for 18 on just 16,000 lbs that with my son's equpment also . My wife wanted a few lux iteams also .

[Doctor What]

Very nice lists guys--will be stealing most of those ideas for my own list if you don't mind.

[Gerard-ABC]

Norbert,
Thanks for that. I've been sitting here before, and the light bulb failed. Gets REALLY annoying trying to replace one alone, at night, in the dark... and you can't reach.....

Some of what I've got for Sophie and myself may well be of more us for the community than ourselves. I'll be busy building, and she would like to do more food / veg / farming / bread production.


Regards,
Gerard

[Ward]

Very nice lists guys--will be stealing most of those ideas for my own list if you don't mind.


Go ahead and steal from them .

[Gerard-ABC]

Ward,

Thanks for your ideas on the survival / medical kits.

You got to have some luxary / entertainment stuff. Stops people going crazy. A lot of it is small / lightweight - a pack of cards is not going to weigh much, and fits into a pocket.

Also need to consider that when winter comes, and there is a lot less daylight, we simply won't be able to do as much outside as we'd like. So, got to find indoor activites. Maybe people can do some classes / learn stuff...


Regards,
Gerard

[Norbert]

Ward,

Thanks for your ideas on the survival / medical kits.

You got to have some luxary / entertainment stuff. Stops people going crazy. A lot of it is small / lightweight - a pack of cards is not going to weigh much, and fits into a pocket.

Also need to consider that when winter comes, and there is a lot less daylight, we simply won't be able to do as much outside as we'd like. So, got to find indoor activites. Maybe people can do some classes / learn stuff...


Regards,
Gerard

Average Temps (Daytime) in the bay area are 45 degrees to 60 degrees F with the nights dropping below freezing on average 5 days (average 5 days frost per year!). We can do a lot year round.

[Norbert]

Snipped a bunch cause I have no comment on those items.

Excellent list, and a very good idea to have some kind of idea what all those faceless NPCs have.

A few comments on a few items.

The penlight, suggest you go with one of the white LED versions. They use much less battery power and the LEDs last much longer than any other type of bulb, same for the crookneck though it would have multiple LEDs. Personally I think that more people would go with some thyp of Mag Light (not that it is necessarily better, just that people would go for it.

I have trouble thinking that most people would use 570 lbs for the furniture, except perhaps for the metal shelves, those can be useful and are weight-wise a good choice. I think that people might go with mattresses and cushions for chairs etc., but not all the furniture. Just my opinion though.

I also think that you ought to indicate some additional modern ammunition. I know that it could be in the 1591 lbs of personal weight, but I do believe that most people would take more than the first brought.

Overall, good list and idea.

I like the idea of the LED flashlights, I did not think of them as I have never used one. As to the furniture, it can be changed. I was basing it on my list (and Wards) and thought it would be more comfortable. I may have been healed, but I don't like sleeping on cots if I do not have to, and I'd rather sit in a regular cahair than a camp chair! The ammunition can be added, we can post a supplemental list. Posting a list like I did is partly to get feedback.

[Ward]

Snipped a bunch cause I have no comment on those items.

Excellent list, and a very good idea to have some kind of idea what all those faceless NPCs have.

A few comments on a few items.

The penlight, suggest you go with one of the white LED versions. They use much less battery power and the LEDs last much longer than any other type of bulb, same for the crookneck though it would have multiple LEDs. Personally I think that more people would go with some thyp of Mag Light (not that it is necessarily better, just that people would go for it.

I have trouble thinking that most people would use 570 lbs for the furniture, except perhaps for the metal shelves, those can be useful and are weight-wise a good choice. I think that people might go with mattresses and cushions for chairs etc., but not all the furniture. Just my opinion though.

I also think that you ought to indicate some additional modern ammunition. I know that it could be in the 1591 lbs of personal weight, but I do believe that most people would take more than the first brought.

Overall, good list and idea.


Well At my Age I want to be able to have some nice things to sit on and use other wise . For in less then 7 years I'm going to retire again .and let the kids and Grandkids suport me and the wife . Rember people will want some comforts of home . Plus I hope to see some Great Grandkids before I die .
Rember I'm an old man and the wife is geting up there too .

[SionEwig]

A list for a village community, based on 72,835 lbs contributed: (11,266 lbs is seed, my next post)

Group A
Item Number Weight Each Total Weight


Stuff snipped I have no comment on, but overall very good list, great work.

I did note that you deleated the saw mill and accessories from each village list. While I do not think that every village needs one, I do think that there will be several needed, probably half of them. Some will be needed due to what the village is doing (the fishing village and coal mining village), and some will be needed due to distance. Perhaps adding it as an add on.

32 pc Glassware set 20 16.00 320
100 pc Dishes 20 60.00 1200
120 pc Silverware 20 18.00 360

Not sure the why on this stuff, I think that most of us will have brought our own.


Hershey Liquid Chocolate 25 1.00 25
Fruit Muffin Mixes 25 5.00 125

Not sure on the why of this but could be nice as a treat.



German Silver Sewing Needles (800) 10 1.00 10

Sewing Thread (13) 100 1.00 100

Could have missed it, but I did not see a sewing machine.



Group B
Case .30-06 Ammo (500) 15 29.00 435
Springfield '03 Star Series 3 9.00 27
Leupold 4-12x Scopes 8 0.75 6
Spotting Scope: 20-60x 2 7.00 14

Noted that you dropped the BARs and M-79s, curious as to why.

Also, as much as I really like the National Match Springfields, I think that instead you should designate the rifles as being marksman versions of the SMLEs, that way you get both the accuracy you are looking for and it is still the same rifle as the Rangers are using (unless Matt has changed his mind again, LOL :D ).


Movie Projector 2 25.00 50
Movie Projector Bulbs (25) 4 1.00 4
Movie Reels 40 5.00 200
Movie Screen 1 15.00 15

Just making sure here, but are the Reels the actual movies? If so then each community should have different ones to maximize the number of different movies. Also some simple repair equipment for the movies would be a good idea.

Chocolate Chips 25 1.00 25
Individual Wrap Hard Candies 100 1.00 100

Same comment as above for the other treats.

Parlor Piano 1 800.00 800
Cabinet Organ 1 350.00 350

Still say that the piano is way too heavy, you could go with 500 lbs and be accurate and put some of the left over weight on spare parts like strings, tuning forks, etc.


Military Leather Sling 1-1/4” 10 1.50 15

What are these for?



Modular Tent System 2 139.00 278

What is this for?

Ti-85 Scientific Calculator 24 0.75 18
NiMH AAA rechargable Batteries 10 Pack 48 0.30 14.4

Just personal preferance here, but I would suggest that you go with HP-48GX calculators and include a full load of the software. Better calculator and the software is designed for many of our engineering/scientific uses.


Chaps 12 8.00 96
Leather Cavalry Saddle Bags 18 5.00 90
Leather Cavalry Rifle Scabbards 18 4.00 72


Long Hunters 'Possibilities' Bag, .54 Hawkens 32 5.00 160

I think that this is stuff that should be brought individually or put on the Ranger list.

Again, great work, good job cleaning up the earlier PDF which had a lot of repeat stuff.

[SionEwig]

I like the idea of the LED flashlights, I did not think of them as I have never used one. As to the furniture, it can be changed. I was basing it on my list (and Wards) and thought it would be more comfortable. I may have been healed, but I don't like sleeping on cots if I do not have to, and I'd rather sit in a regular cahair than a camp chair! The ammunition can be added, we can post a supplemental list. Posting a list like I did is partly to get feedback.

Those LED lights are just fantastic, though they do not have the ultra range of the Kryptons. Both the wife and I have ones that will fit on a half dollar clipped to our key rings for just in case and they work well.

My thought on the furniture is not that it's a bad idea, just that I don't think that most people would even think of it and most of those youngsters in the group would consider it unnecessary. I do plan on taking mattresses and some cushions myself, but will make the necessary frames and my wife can handle making anything complex. The ammunition I just thought was important enough that we would want it stated.

[SionEwig]

Well At my Age I want to be able to have some nice things to sit on and use other wise . For in less then 7 years I'm going to retire again .and let the kids and Grandkids suport me and the wife . Rember people will want some comforts of home . Plus I hope to see some Great Grandkids before I die .
Rember I'm an old man and the wife is geting up there too .

Not arguing with anyone taking them, especially the senior crowd :D , but just didn't think that most would.

[Ward]

Just making sure here, but are the Reels the actual movies? If so then each community should have different ones to maximize the number of different movies. Also some simple repair equipment for the movies would be a good idea.


Yes these are the movies on 8 mm film . and yes each village should have there own set of movies and they should be diffrent .from other groups.




Still say that the piano is way too heavy, you could go with 500 lbs and be accurate and put some of the left over weight on spare parts like strings, tuning forks, etc.
Well we like this one thats why we went with it . Plus who knows how to tune a piano in are group.

[Matt]

I guess I should make my definative Ranger list soon eh? :D

[Ward]

The sewing machine is 45 lbs and I brought two over in the begining .
as for myself wait until you see what I have as soon as norbert checks my spelling Then you will see strange iteams coming over . But you will have to rember I have 18 people to feed cloth and set up in a household . Also I took some iteams that the wife told me she would like . Like taple cloths and that .

[SionEwig]

Just making sure here, but are the Reels the actual movies? If so then each community should have different ones to maximize the number of different movies. Also some simple repair equipment for the movies would be a good idea.


Yes these are the movies on 8 mm film . and yes each village should have there own set of movies and they should be diffrent .from other groups.




Still say that the piano is way too heavy, you could go with 500 lbs and be accurate and put some of the left over weight on spare parts like strings, tuning forks, etc.
Well we like this one thats why we went with it . Plus who knows how to tune a piano in are group.

Why 8mm and not 16mm for the much better quality?

And if I am remembering the original discussion on pianos, that weight was taken from an old Sears catalog and was the shipping weight. And as nice as those crates are, we don't need to waste the weight. And 3 people in my family can tune a piano. It is not that hard, just have to have a very good ear.

[Norbert]

Well we like this one thats why we went with it . Plus who knows how to tune a piano in are group.

Believe it or not, I do:D

[Ward]

item how many weight total weight how many
.22 Blackhawks 9 4 36 9
.357 ammo case 4 40 160 4,000
.22 LR case 4 44 176 20,000
.30-06 case5 33 165 2,500
Toilet Paper Case 96 10 38.4 384 960
Tampons 1000 10 39 390 10,000
2 Qt Canning jars 1200 0.5 600 1,200
Rubber Gaskets 15 243 3,000
BAR 22 19.5 39 2
BAR Mag 20 rounds 40 2 80 40/ 800
Linseed Oil 1 Gal. 3 9 27 3x Gals.
Colt 1860 Revolver 2 x cylinders 10 3 30 20 cylinders 10 colts
Hawkins caplocks Conversion 32 0.75 24 24
Percussion Cap Nipples 20 4 1 4 80
Percussion caps 5000 12 1 12 60,000

Coffee instant 100 100 1 100 100lbs
Teabags 200 100 1 100 20,000
Beds Double 20 70 1400 20
Chest of Drawers 20 40 800 20
Crank Record Player 2 45 90 2
Albums 600 0.5 300 600
leather Recliners 2 67 134 2
Shelves metal 10 10 100 10
Books Hardcovers 150 2 300 150
Boots 30 5 150 30
Hawkins Rifle Barrels replacment 20 4 80 20
Sterling Silver Service 36 1 120 120 1
Wedgewood China 48 1 120 120 With Serving Dishes
Crystal service 36 1 80 80 1
Linens for dining 36 2 36 72 2
Lace table cloth 3 3 5 15 3
Milking Cans 5 6 30 5
Milking Stools 5 3 15 5
Love seat 1 7575 1
Davenport 2 125 250 2
Wing back chiars 12 25300 12
Bug out kits 20 12 240 20
Personal survival kits 20 2 40 20
Personal Armor system 11 8.8 96.8 11
7 sets of ITLBV 7 4.4 30.8 7
LC-2 11 37.4 411.4 11
Socks 1200 0.25 400 1200
Blue Jeans 200 1.5 300 200
Ragg Wool Sweaters 40 1.5 60 40
Flannel Shirts 3 100 1 100 300
Underware 3 200 0.5 100 600
T-Shirts 5150 1 150 750
Canvas Shirts 3 100 1 100 300
Boots 24 24 5 120 24
Towels 240 0.5 120 240
Walkie Talkies 5 315 5
BDU 30 260 30
Day packs 10 440 10
Multifuel Lanterns 10 4 40 10
Folding Chairs 18 2 36 18
5 Gall Watercans 3 5 15 3
22 Gal water Barrels 6 11 66 6
Whistles 20 1 1 1 20
penlight 10 0.11 10
Batteries
aa 60 0.053 60
D 60 0.212 60
9 Volt 40 0.1 4 40
Ka Bar's 30 1 30 30
Krypton Bulbs 166 1 6 96
Lifeboat Matches 200 10 1 10 2000
Magnesium Firestarters 5 2 1 2 10
Lantern Box 1 7 7 1
Gil Net 12'x4' 4 0.25 1 4
Fiskers Supersnips 4 0.25 1 4
50 hr Emergancy Candles (2) 4 1.5 6 8
Field soap 4 80 1 80 320
Rain Gear 10 220 10 200
lightline 4 0.25 1 800'
Poncho 5 1 5 5
Poncho Liners 5 2 10 5
150' Rapelling rope 2 9 18 300'

wax 2 12 2
Weapon Cleaning kits 2 3 6 10
Gun Oil Gal 5 8 40 5 Gal
Black poweder Solvent Gal 5 8 40 5 Gal
Cleaning Patches 400 30 1 30 12,000
kitchen sink 1 125125
linens 60 4 240
blankets 120 4 480
record needles 120 2 2 2 240
food 1 2200 2200
Individual Solar Kit 1 355 355
simple pump 1 12 12
hand well plump 1 70 70
150ft of 2in well pipe 1 147147
stove kitchen 1 428 428
septic tank 1 360 360
toilet 2 4080
bath sink 2 25 50
wind mill tower 1 75 75
drop pip kit 97.5 97.5 14599.5

Item Amount weight final weight
Rice 50lbs 4 50 200
Flour 4 50 200
noodles 40 5 200
Beans navy 20 5 100
Split peas 20 5 100
crystal 20 5 100
yeast 100 0.5 50
Tang 100 1 100
peanutbutter 20 5 100
sugar 25 5 125
Spam 100 2 200
Velveta Cheese 25 5 125
Hard Salamie 40 5 200
Colby cheese wheel 10 20 200
Chocolate 20 2 40
Hot Chocolate 12 5 60
Beef Jerkey 100 1 100
_Corrected List. 260 lbs for 8 cu ft refrig and 8 cu ft freezer

Total weight 14,859.5
to comunity _________________

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Last edited by Ward : 1 Minute Ago at 06:04 AM.

[Norbert]

Stuff snipped I have no comment on, but overall very good list, great work.

I did note that you deleated the saw mill and accessories from each village list. While I do not think that every village needs one, I do think that there will be several needed, probably half of them. Some will be needed due to what the village is doing (the fishing village and coal mining village), and some will be needed due to distance. Perhaps adding it as an add on.



Could have missed it, but I did not see a sewing machine.

Noted that you dropped the BARs and M-79s, curious as to why.


Still say that the piano is way too heavy, you could go with 500 lbs and be accurate and put some of the left over weight on spare parts like strings, tuning forks, etc.


Military Leather Sling 1-1/4” 10 1.50 15

What are these for?



Modular Tent System 2 139.00 278

What is this for?



Just personal preferance here, but I would suggest that you go with HP-48GX calculators and include a full load of the software. Better calculator and the software is designed for many of our engineering/scientific uses.

Chaps 12 8.00 96
Leather Cavalry Saddle Bags 18 5.00 90
Leather Cavalry Rifle Scabbards 18 4.00 72
Long Hunters 'Possibilities' Bag, .54 Hawkens 32 5.00 160
I think that this is stuff that should be brought individually or put on the Ranger list.

Again, great work, good job cleaning up the earlier PDF which had a lot of repeat stuff.

Needles and Thread: Old fashioned Hand Sewing (Not machine)
BARs and M79 moved to the list for 'Greater Community, as they will be used where they are needed. It is up to the Ranger Co where they are assigned.
Figure the 800 lbs then to be a 500 lb piano, strings, parts, tools, and music. Lots of music?
Rangers are not the only ones who may carry a slinged weapon, they are extras.
Modular Tent System: There are families in small tents who will be in a tent for a while. At first they will be to give some of these families extra room. After that, they can be used at a semi-permenant camp for an expedition, such as prospecting?
I went with the calculator I know. If the other is better, weigs about the same, change the designation to the other type.
Chaps, Saddle bags, etc: Not for Rangers!

[Ward]

Why 8mm and not 16mm for the much better quality?
it should be the 16 mm its been a few years since I used one .

And if I am remembering the original discussion on pianos, that weight was taken from an old Sears catalog and was the shipping weight. And as nice as those crates are, we don't need to waste the weight. And 3 people in my family can tune a piano. It is not that hard, just have to have a very good ear.


We took the box for the wood if I rember right .

[SionEwig]

Needles and Thread: Old fashioned Hand Sewing (Not machine)
BARs and M79 moved to the list for 'Greater Community, as they will be used where they are needed. It is up to the Ranger Co where they are assigned.
Figure the 800 lbs then to be a 500 lb piano, strings, parts, tools, and music. Lots of music?
Rangers are not the only ones who may carry a slinged weapon, they are extras.
Modular Tent System: There are families in small tents who will be in a tent for a while. At first they will be to give some of these families extra room. After that, they can be used at a semi-permenant camp for an expedition, such as prospecting?
I went with the calculator I know. If the other is better, weigs about the same, change the designation to the other type.
Chaps, Saddle bags, etc: Not for Rangers!

Got it, most of that makes sense.

For some odd reason my brain read sewing machine needles, guess I'm getting tired (that's my excuse and I'm sticking to it).

Still think that there should be some heaver weapons at each village, especially the couple that will end up being isolated. After all, the Rangers can't be everywhere.

And heck yes the HP is a vastly superior calculator (can you guess which brand I have used for almost 30 years).

[Ward]

I guess I should make my definative Ranger list soon eh? :D


Matt check the site I posted earlier for the Supply bunker it has a lot of lists for equpment you might like for the rangers already made up .
http://www.thesupplybunker.net/morrow.htm
why kill yourself building them when they have them made up for you with weights on the over all list .

But I still think you should have the Rangers bring there own equpment .
And maybe you bring over 2 tons of weapons and ammo instead.

[Norbert]

Matt check the site I posted earlier for the Supply bunker it has a lot of lists for equpment you might like for the rangers already made up .
http://www.thesupplybunker.net/morrow.htm
why kill yourself building them when they have them made up for you with weights on the over all list .

But I still think you should have the Rangers bring there own equpment .
And maybe you bring over 2 tons of weapons and ammo instead.

Either that, or he works up a list and spreads the weight to contributions by the Rangers.

[jolo]

I just realize I forgot an oven/stove. I was the only one relying on self made stuff in this respect (with some parts I brought along), and I suppose I can safely assume my wife already nearly killed me for that.

Therefore I'll take away the remaining tractor parts I accidentally copied from Norbert's list and instead add a multi fueled (wood, coal, maybe also oil, gas) stove/oven/heater combo, a microwave (good to figure out how they work once it's broken), 2 electric stoves, 2 light weight wood/coal stoves/heaters and according equipment (exhaust pipes, spare parts...), 2 gas heaters, a gas oven/stove combo, and some parts for building heaters, stoves, ovens, and so on from stone.

[Matt]

Either that, or he works up a list and spreads the weight to contributions by the Rangers.


tahts what im doing, make a list get total, then divid it up evenly.

[SionEwig]

Matt check the site I posted earlier for the Supply bunker it has a lot of lists for equpment you might like for the rangers already made up .
http://www.thesupplybunker.net/morrow.htm
why kill yourself building them when they have them made up for you with weights on the over all list .

But I still think you should have the Rangers bring there own equpment .
And maybe you bring over 2 tons of weapons and ammo instead.

Not a bad site, I would suggest picking and chosing what gear you think will be needed, a good bit is not useful or needed in our particular situtation.

As to the Rangers all bringing their own equipment, I will agree, but only to a certain point. Stuff like clothing, saddles, other horse gear, and things like that, yes the Rangers should bring themselves. But the weapons and ammunition, body armor, etc., I think should be gotten out of the Overall Community weight allowance (the 500 lbs per member). After all, won't the Rangers be kicking in that amount and the amount for the small villages (1500 lbs per member)? I would like the weapons etc., to belong to the community. Otherwise, when Rangers retire or quit, then the Rangers will lose weapons. And we have no reason to think that the Rangers decendants will sign up for duty.

[Matt]

Not a bad site, I would suggest picking and chosing what gear you think will be needed, a good bit is not useful or needed in our particular situtation.

As to the Rangers all bringing their own equipment, I will agree, but only to a certain point. Stuff like clothing, saddles, other horse gear, and things like that, yes the Rangers should bring themselves. But the weapons and ammunition, body armor, etc., I think should be gotten out of the Overall Community weight allowance (the 500 lbs per member). After all, won't the Rangers be kicking in that amount and the amount for the small villages (1500 lbs per member)? I would like the weapons etc., to belong to the community. Otherwise, when Rangers retire or quit, then the Rangers will lose weapons. And we have no reason to think that the Rangers decendants will sign up for duty.


Well the stuff I'm counting on from the Rangers would be part of their communical property.

[SionEwig]

Norbert,

While going through the Village list very carefully, I did find one thing that you left out that I think was supposed to be there - the Field Phone Switchboard - luckily only 99 lbs but each village does need one and you did have the phone wire and 4 field phones (you might think about adding a few more field phones, say up to 12 for each village, not that much more weight and could be very useful and no way we will be making any soon).

Also, you might want to add a field phone to each NPC list, again not that much weight and nice to have in each home.

[Ward]

Norbert,

While going through the Village list very carefully, I did find one thing that you left out that I think was supposed to be there - the Field Phone Switchboard - luckily only 99 lbs but each village does need one and you did have the phone wire and 4 field phones (you might think about adding a few more field phones, say up to 12 for each village, not that much more weight and could be very useful and no way we will be making any soon).

Also, you might want to add a field phone to each NPC list, again not that much weight and nice to have in each home.



Why dose everyone need a phone one for neigberhood is good .

[Norbert]

I put the switchboard on the 'Greater Community Lis' rather than the village list. I would like other peoples opinions on it, also.

[SionEwig]

Why dose everyone need a phone one for neigberhood is good .

Among other reasons, the neighborhoods are probably going to be far enough apart that the lines will not reach from one to the other.

[SionEwig]

I put the switchboard on the 'Greater Community Lis' rather than the village list. I would like other peoples opinions on it, also.

One switchboard will not do (at least we need a backup). Also I think that the neighborhoods are going to end up being further apart than people realize and internal communication in the neighborhoods will be very useful.

[SionEwig]

Generally looking at the proposed Village equipment list, to keep the weight per Member/Family below 1500 lbs there will need to be at least 49 Members/Families in each village. I suggest using 50 just to round it out. So there would be 11 villages of 50 Members/Families with 24 Members/Families left over. Better might be 10 of 50 and 1 (Prime Base :D )of 74.

[SionEwig]

I thought it was 574 members families making the Trek, or did I misread that number? :confused:

You are right, I should really not try to do arithmatic late at night :eek: . I think I will go and edit that post now, LOL.

[Matt]

You are right, I should really not try to do arithmatic late at night :eek: . I think I will go and edit that post now, LOL.


Thought we were basing it off of total families, not just members?

[Norbert]

Thought we were basing it off of total families, not just members?

The resupply was based only on members.

[SionEwig]

Thought we were basing it off of total families, not just members?

Like Norbert says, the Resupply is based on number of Members.

Now if you are worried about some villages being significantly larger than others (with the exception of the 1 with 74 Members/Families in it), you don't have too much to worry about. The average number of people per Memeber is 4.99 (including the Member). Now while we do have several Member/Families that are significantly larger than the average, we can simply make sure that there are smaller ones to balance it out.

It also looks like the majority of active players will be in one of the villages with the others being in probably not more than another 4 or 5, so most of the villages can easily be of perfectly average size filled with NPCs.

Is that what you were wondering?

[Norbert]

That is what I was thinking. I was figuring the number of famililes (not just members but adult couples) at about 1.38 to 1 member, which would put a village of 50 at 69 adult couples (and then kids are extra) and that one of 74 at about 102 couples.
And it does look like most of the active people are in one area.

[pisces74]

600 lbs of Food in Caning jars 50lbs worth of Rubbergaskets for them.
100 lbs of Flour in plastic Bins , 100 lbs of of Beens , 100lbs of spices
2 x foot power sawing machines 90 lbs together
1 plow 100 lbs
1 manual Washing machine 47lbs
4x push scythes 15lbs each 60 lbs
1x 1900 carpiter chest of tools 80 lbs
1x tent 105 lbs this tent is 20x 12 with floor and able to take a wood stove in it .
1 packers wood stove 45 lbs with pipes to go out through the tent.
11x Covered cots 5 lbs each 55 lbs
a hand powered seed drill 12 lbs
sausage stuffer 25lbs
2 meat Glinders 10 lbs each
6 shovels 3 lbs each 18lbs 6 holes 3 lbs each 18 lbs , 6x post hoe digers 3 lbs each 18lbs , 6 x picks 6 lbs each 36lbs , 6x pitch forks 3 lbs each 18lbs.
10 x Axes 3 lbs each 30lbs , 6ft two men saws x 2 5 lbs each 10 lbs ,
200 lbs of seeds ,
4x wheel barows . 15lbs each 60lbs
8 54 cal hawkings rifles 6 lbs each 48lbs 100 lbs of powder 50 lbs of shot.
12 x blackhawk 357 pistols 4lbs each 48 lbs 50 lbs of rounds (1250)
12 x 22 rifles 3 lbs each 36lbs and 74 lbs of 22 rounds (8500)
100 lbs of pots and pans and dishs.
100 lbs of soaps , 20 lbs of wax , 20 lbs of candle holders , 10lbso of candles.
20 lbs of sewing supply , and 80 lbs of cloth .
60 lbs of bedding .
6x grub hoe 6lbs eash 36lbs
4 x springfield 1903 9lbs each 36lbs 99lbs of ammo (1500)
50lbs of screws,50lbs of nails.
6x sapers 3lbs eash 18lbs
50lbs 3/4 in coper pipe 20lbs of fittigs.
88lbs of cothing

The rest of my wieght will be dedicated to a community water distillery which will provide us with salt, and drinking water when set up by the bay, many thanks to Ward for compiling my list :)

[Ward]

one more time on the wieght allowance of the resupply?


4 tons per member .

[jolo]

Inspired by Gerard-ABC, I'll add 9 long lasting fire extinguishers, a few more power tools, a few batteries for using them abroad, a manual spinning wheel, a manual loom, 100 lbs of raw wool (mainly for exercising), 200 lbs of wool (mainly for knitting), 9 household heat exchangers (to be used with any source of heat), lots of iron parts to build all kinds of mechanical equipment (bearings, joints, hooks, hinges...).

Also 500 lbs of sugar, 1000 lbs of flour, 500 lbs of noodles, 500 lbs of rice, 500 lbs of pulverized potatoes.

I also add 500 lbs of hail-proof 50cm*50cm*4mm plexi glass to build green houses from, plus the necessary moving parts (200 lbs). Mainly for growing a few useful exotic plants under controlled conditions.

1000 lbs of white outdoor paint help keep homes cooler in summer, until we can produce our own paint (maybe from lime?).

I'll spare 4 of the family tents for that, assuming that 5 of the 9 adult couples already have a large enough tent or have progressed enough building their homes to not need one.

The seeds I mentioned before come in small packs with a description (use, usage, climate, season...) and are at least one of each kind of usable plant known (one or two coffee plants, not all varieties, one or two cotton plants, and so on). If necessary, I'll take a thousand lbs of fat away for them, thus increasing total to 2100 lbs of seeds.

[Norbert]

How many buildings are you going to paint? As to manufcture, look up 'White Wash'. I do not remember the site I found, but it gives a description, had something like 'brighten the interior of the barn' in the description tag, and describes how to make it. Yes it will have to be redone every year, but it is paint.
Your 4mm Plexiglass would run about 26 lbs for 4' x 8' sheet, so 500 lbs would be about 615 sq-ft, or 57.2 sq-meters. The main moving part you will have should be a fan and temperture controls for the fan to maintain the proper tempereture.
For your bearings, research 'Babbitt Bearings' for the materials they are made of. They are simple and effective, and do not need the close tolerances of Ball Bearings. BTW, they are what I was talking about a while ago in the discussion.

[jolo]

How many buildings are you going to paint? As to manufcture, look up 'White Wash'. I do not remember the site I found, but it gives a description, had something like 'brighten the interior of the barn' in the description tag, and describes how to make it. Yes it will have to be redone every year, but it is paint.
Your 4mm Plexiglass would run about 26 lbs for 4' x 8' sheet, so 500 lbs would be about 615 sq-ft, or 57.2 sq-meters. The main moving part you will have should be a fan and temperture controls for the fan to maintain the proper tempereture.
For your bearings, research 'Babbitt Bearings' for the materials they are made of. They are simple and effective, and do not need the close tolerances of Ball Bearings. BTW, they are what I was talking about a while ago in the discussion.

I remembered something like that from researching lime earlier - I just didn't know exactly anymore. Thanks for all the information. I suppose I can reduce the amount of white paint quite a bit then, though that would also mean we'll soon have to start a bigger lime stone quarry than expected...

I mainly thought about parts of the roof made to be opened - but a fan would also be useful. If necessary, sprinkling the roof with water might also help. Some of the heat might also be used to drive showers and other means to use hot water - even if only in the hot months.

[Doctor What]

Ok--took the basic kit and still have 1591 lbs left over. Want you to look over this list and see if I missed anything/suggestions:

Additional 1591 pounds

Individual Home Lighting System & Fridge & Freezer = 742.5 lb

(already brought a small 30 lb kitchen stove when I came over)

Cookware / plates / misc kitchen stuff = 100 lb
Crank Record Player 1 =45 lbs
Journel Notebooks (500 pages) 30 notebooks x 5.00 lbs= 150 lb
Pencils (pack of 144) -24 packs x 1.00 lb =24 lb
Pens (pack of 24) Balloon Fountain 12 packs x 1.00= 12 lb
Copy/Printer Paper is 50 lbs per case (5000 sheets) = 50 lb

Grape Vines 50 x 1.00= 50 lbs

Fruit Bush Cuttings: (1’ cuttings, bare root in sphagnum wrapped in burlap; 12 each, with at least 2 varieties in each mix) Everbearing raspberry, blackberry, gooseberry, red currant, black currant, strawberry and blueberry = (guessing here- ~110 lbs)

Herb Seed Packets: (10 of each)
anise, basil, chervil, coriander, dill, summer savory, caraway, parsley, chives, fennel, lovage, marjoram, mint, tarragon, thyme, winter savory, lavender, sage, spearmint, oregano, rosemary = (guessing here - ~25 lbs)

Garden Seed Packets: (150 lbs. total, with at least 4 different varieties of each in the mix, if possible) Carrots, peas, green and yellow beans, beets, sugar beets, zucchini squash, cucumber, lettuce, chili pepper, tomato, cabbage, cantaloupe, watermelon, muskmelon, various other greens (arugula, chicory, endives, etc), kale, eggplant, leeks, chick peas, and snow peas

Seed Potatoes: 20 lbs., at least 4 varieties
Onion Sets: 30 lbs (mix of red, white, yellow)

I might have around 100 pounds or so left over. The rest will consist of wine kits, wine bottles, corks and misc. odds and ends.

[Norbert]

Had 90 lbs left over, 50 lbs for following item:

RAPE32
Brassica spp., family Cruciferae
Two species of Brassica are known as rape, a word derived from the Latin word "rapum" meaning turnip. B. napus L. is known in Canada as the Argentine type of rape, and elsewhere as summer rape, winter rape, colza, colza-oil rape, or swede rape. B. campestris L. is known as field mustard, summer turnip rape, Polish rape, toria, and sarson. Sarson is somewhat different from toria for it has both yellow-seeded and brown- seeded cultivars.

Rape is not extensively grown in the United States, but there are about 4 million acres in nearby Canada. About 80 percent of this acreage is planted to B. campestris, 20 percent to B. napus. The oil, pressed from the seed, is used in margarine and shortenings and in salad and cooking oil. The quality of rape oil is equal to or better than soybean oil. Rapeseed meal has found wide acceptance as a food for many classes of livestock. The protein in rape is considered equivalent to that in soybean on a pound-for-pound basis (Downey et al. 1970). Yields reported from Canada range from 1,560 to 2,220 pounds seed per acre.
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Used for forage, and can be made into a rubber substitute as well.

I am still working on the other 40 lbs.