Should We Start Over?

[Dave Howery]

After playing this thing out for a week and looking at it more closely, a couple of things are becoming apparent: there's every possibility we don't have enough food, and we'll have to waste a week moving to a new location. When I first made this whole thread, I hadn't considered that... I just chose Ian's house, as it seemed like a natural place, being in central CA and all that. However, if the ASBs really want us to succeed, they would have done it better (we see in hindsight..:) ).
So.... should we start over? We could probably have Ian delete all the threads in this forum and start anew. As I see it, we could do two things to improve our chances. First, give every board member a prairie schooner wagon and a team of animals to move it, along with the current 1 large animal and 1 small animal. We'd still get spouses as per the original, as well as the limit on the gear... but this time, it'd be limited to what the wagon could carry, not just what you could toss on one horse. Everyone could bring 6 months of food, a big cook stove, a plow or harrier or parts to a reaper, lots of potatoes and wheat, etc... we could actually take everything we need. However, we still have to succeed or fail with what we bring, since there will be no more shipments.
Second, we could say the ASBs drop us in Berkely or some place better suited for agriculture... that way, we can start on everything immediately, instead of wasting a couple of weeks in a move.
So, wait for the poll....

[Othniel]

I don't know.:confused:

[Ward]

would we still bring all of our familys again ?

And how much can the wagon hold ?

I also think that for every 8 people in your family you get a wagon and team . That way some large familys could carry everything they need .

Also have an extra large and mediun animal .

[jolo]

We should definitely keep the old threats for a while - a lot of people wasted lots of time to collect items we need, weights, data on planting, maps, and so on - most of them would still be valid.

How about starting the Jurassic thread with this changed premise and let this trip develop on a really tough do or die basis?

[Othniel]

would we still bring all of our familys again ?

And how much can the wagon hold ?

I also think that for every 8 people in your family you get a wagon and team . That way some large familys could carry everything they need .

Also have an extra large and mediun animal .
I think we'd just bring dependants. IE no childern above 18. That may cut down on the expirence we could bring(and weight that could be held) but it would free up more food.

[Dave Howery]

stats on a Prairie Schooner, courtesy of Google...
generally 4' wide, 12' long, 10' tall with the cover, box was 3' deep, weighs 1300 lbs. empty, can carry 3/4 ton of gear, has 2 1/2' clearance, requires 4-6 oxen or 6-8 mules/horses (probably want 6/8, as our wagons will be loaded to the max), moves at 2 mph with oxen or 3 mph with mules/horses. With the yoke, the total length is 23'.

[SionEwig]

I think we'd just bring dependants. IE no childern above 18. That may cut down on the expirence we could bring(and weight that could be held) but it would free up more food.

I would rather go with everyone who is living in your house. But would also rather not start over for a while, let's see this one through to say end of January before we start up another.

[Glen]

Should have allowed multiple choices...

[Ward]

I would rather go with everyone who is living in your house. But would also rather not start over for a while, let's see this one through to say end of January before we start up another.


I hate to say it If it was just my wife and youngest son I dont know if I would like to go , And 3/4 of a ton is not that much stuff . if you look at my list from the game it came in at over 2800 lbs and I was short on a lot of iteams . now if it was only the children that live on my farm that would be difrent that would be only one older son and his family with me .

[SionEwig]

I hate to say it If it was just my wife and youngest son I dont know if I would like to go , And 3/4 of a ton is not that much stuff . if you look at my list from the game it came in at over 2800 lbs and I was short on a lot of iteams . now if it was only the children that live on my farm that would be difrent that would be only one older son and his family with me .

OOPS, sorry, should have said residence. Your residence is your farm, so anyone living there, even if not in the same building, would count. In my case it would still be just my family since the folks living in the old house had finally found their own place before the game started.

And I think that those number are off on the weight capacity on the Prairie Schooner. Can't find my info at the moment, but it seems way under capacity, especially for that size team.

[Othniel]

OOPS, sorry, should have said residence. Your residence is your farm, so anyone living there, even if not in the same building, would count. In my case it would still be just my family since the folks living in the old house had finally found their own place before the game started.

And I think that those number are off on the weight capacity on the Prairie Schooner. Can't find my info at the moment, but it seems way under capacity, especially for that size team.
I live with my parnets and am over 18.

[Dave Howery]

hmm.. ok, let's say one wagon and team per adult couple (or single person, if you elect not to bring a spouse along). That way, Ward's family can bring enough stuff for all of them...

[Dave Howery]

Should have allowed multiple choices...
well, basically, it boils down to yes/no... the other 4 are joke answers... unless you really want to say 'yes' and 'let's all get naked and play checkers'...

[jolo]

How about outlawing clothing for all good-looking women - at least on warm days... ;)

[Ward]

right are you going to tell a women she is not good looking enought to be nude. Good luck . I can see it now as one of them makes you into an it :eek:

[Dave Howery]

And I think that those number are off on the weight capacity on the Prairie Schooner. Can't find my info at the moment, but it seems way under capacity, especially for that size team.
part of the problem is that there is some confusion over just what a prairie schooner is. When I was looking it up on Google, some of the descriptions were obviously being applied to freight wagons that were designed to stay only on roads; they were of the 'schooner' design only in that they had smaller front wheels. What I was looking for was the classic schooner that went west with the pioneers.. and these can carry up to 1500 lbs. of gear. Since we don't have roads, I figure we don't want freight wagons, as they would bog down into the soil. However, these wagons could carry 5000 lbs, and that may be where you are getting your different numbers from...

[Ward]

part of the problem is that there is some confusion over just what a prairie schooner is. When I was looking it up on Google, some of the descriptions were obviously being applied to freight wagons that were designed to stay only on roads; they were of the 'schooner' design only in that they had smaller front wheels. What I was looking for was the classic schooner that went west with the pioneers.. and these can carry up to 1500 lbs. of gear. Since we don't have roads, I figure we don't want freight wagons, as they would bog down into the soil. However, these wagons could carry 5000 lbs, and that may be where you are getting your different numbers from...


Now if they gave us something like a modren Amish Farm wagon with modren tires we could carry maybe 4 tons on them . I have seen some with 4 duel wheels on them . which will give them much better gp for each wheel then the praine schooner has .

[jolo]

right are you going to tell a women she is not good looking enought to be nude. Good luck . I can see it now as one of them makes you into an it :eek:

We could make beauty contests once a year, in every sub-community - many women appear to like that. The winners are the loosers then, too - ultimate justice served immediately... ;)

[pisces74]

absolutely positively no.

[jolo]

absolutely positively no.

If that was an answer to my post - I was just kidding...

[Highlander]

Or you could join some other SW games going on . . .

Sorry to interupt your game, carry on:)

[Matt]

Just my .02c;

I've been defining a Pioneer schooner with wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conestoga_wagon

A consestoga wagon holds 8 short tons. A schooner holds 1/2 the size, so it holds 4 short tons. I think. Whatever.


I dont think we need to start over. The drop would esstential serve the same purpose.

[Glen]

Starting over is always attractive at some point after the start of a Shared Worlds game, as mis-steps and errors and just plain nuttiness occurs. However, the best course of action in the time I have been here is to just push forward, make a few modifications as needed on the fly. It works out usually.

[Matt]

Starting over is always attractive at some point after the start of a Shared Worlds game, as mis-steps and errors and just plain nuttiness occurs. However, the best course of action in the time I have been here is to just push forward, make a few modifications as needed on the fly. It works out usually.

Agreed ;)

Man we've learned alot in the last half year of running this show haven't we Glen ;)

[NapoleonXIV]

Just my .02c;

I've been defining a Pioneer schooner with wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conestoga_wagon

A consestoga wagon holds 8 short tons. A schooner holds 1/2 the size, so it holds 4 short tons. I think. Whatever.


I dont think we need to start over. The drop would esstential serve the same purpose.

The drop, what is the drop? Did I miss something? Are we getting more stuff?

I think we should pull the ASB's back in. Maybe give one of us, (a moderator) an ongoing relationship with them as was done with Richard Burton in the Riverworld trilogy, that way we could change the scenario parameters as we went along. Also add an air of enigma to the story.

[Gerard-ABC]

For all we know, one of the ASBs could belong to the board, and so be here, adding twists to how it happens, real-time....<g>

Regards,
Gerard

[Matt]

The drop, what is the drop? Did I miss something? Are we getting more stuff?

I think we should pull the ASB's back in. Maybe give one of us, (a moderator) an ongoing relationship with them as was done with Richard Burton in the Riverworld trilogy, that way we could change the scenario parameters as we went along. Also add an air of enigma to the story.


There's an ongoing poll to see what would consitute the drop.

You're idea isn't half bad. The mod could play the ASB/GM role right?

[Glen]

Maybe Ian is the ASB...:eek:

Seriously, though. A drop of wagons for example allowing a smooth move to the Berkeley site and chocked full of extra food and other goodies would certainly smooth things a bit....

[NapoleonXIV]

There's an ongoing poll to see what would consitute the drop.

You're idea isn't half bad. The mod could play the ASB/GM role right?

Exactly, and Gerard-ABC's idea could fit in as well. What you want is a believable mechanism to change the storyline.

[pisces74]

Or you could join some other SW games going on . . .

Sorry to interupt your game, carry on:)

None seem as intruiging as this one though.

[pisces74]

Maybe Ian is the ASB...:eek:

Seriously, though. A drop of wagons for example allowing a smooth move to the Berkeley site and chocked full of extra food and other goodies would certainly smooth things a bit....

If the ASBs wanted easy, they could've dropped us into Candyland. As it is it seems that they knew that they were giving us just enough rope to hang ourselves with, to make things more easy would deviate from the experiment (IMO)

[Dave Howery]

well, of those who've voted, it's pretty clear that the overwhelming majority do not want to start over (and two people said they hate me... I hate you back! :) ). So, let's not start over. OK, with that settled, maybe a moderator can delete this thread?

[Glen]

We like to have things kept for the archives. But I will lock it so that it won't be posted to...