ALT Sex Laws Poll

[Glen]

Someone asked me to post some questions about these. I suggest they would have been brought up for a vote at one of the earlier general meetings.

[Ward]

I'm sorry if the second old job is the only way a women can feed her family I see nothing against it .
Also we should let the young teen girls know what happens if they have sex they will have children .

[pisces74]

I'd go as far as to lower the acceptible age of consent. We've entered the third world and need a population boost. These children will grow up hard and fast one way or the other. Its unrealistic to treat 18 and under as second class when we'll be needing them to do some heavy and/or potentially dangerous labor.

[SionEwig]

Define Adult.

[Glen]

well, we have 16 as the age of voting...

[Ward]

We have a few young people that are 16 and married who came over .

Are you going to tell them they are not adults .

I belive at 16 you should become an adult .

[Glen]

We have a few young people that are 16 and married who came over .

Are you going to tell them they are not adults .

I belive at 16 you should become an adult .

What was the age cut-off from the ASBs for clone wifes?

Anyway. Adult probably should be defined the same way as we are doing for voting and service in the military, which appears to be 16 years old here on the frontier, with exceptional cases of emanicipated minors in some instances, IIRC.

[Soyuz]

well, we have 16 as the age of voting...
I agree to that age.

However, I think prostitution should be outlawed simply because it can add to the divorce rate, and if you americans continue on with those statistics, we'll simply die off as a single adult can't generate enough for the children. Neither do we want dozens of unwanted children that *someone* will have to take care of.

Those young girls can also be more useful doing chores at home.

[Ward]

What was the age cut-off from the ASBs for clone wifes?

Anyway. Adult probably should be defined the same way as we are doing for voting and service in the military, which appears to be 16 years old here on the frontier, with exceptional cases of emanicipated minors in some instances, IIRC.


They did not say My sons girlfriend now wife would not be 16 until this coming Jan 18 th .

[Ghost 88]

I agree to that age.

However, I think prostitution should be outlawed simply because it can add to the divorce rate, and if you americans continue on with those statistics, we'll simply die off as a single adult can't generate enough for the children. Neither do we want dozens of unwanted children that *someone* will have to take care of.


Those young girls can also be more useful doing chores at home.
More to the point if a girl/young woman is not phsyicaly mature enough to bear children,just having periods don't count she should be discouraged from sexual activity (or we could just retcon that the ASBs made the young girl incapable of conception until they were)

[pisces74]

Or if a young girl's parents shouldn't want their duaghter to be engaged in sexual activity they should take the responsibility to police their own households, and talk to the daughter about what the consequences an unwanted child could bring.

[Ghost 88]

Or if a young girl's parents shouldn't want their duaghter to be engaged in sexual activity they should take the responsibility to police their own households, and talk to the daughter about what the consequences an unwanted child could bring.
Ye gets nay arguement from me on that un laddie

[Forum Lurker]

I can see no moral nor legal reason to forbid any consensual sexual activity between adults. I can see no moral nor legal reason to forbid any contracts between adults. Prostitution is nothing more than the combination of the above.

On the other hand, anyone prostituting their dependents out is guilty of facilitating rape, and should be punished as such.

[Flocculencio]

Anything goes between consenting adults (adult defined as 16 or older). I would be firmly against outlawing prostitution since it'll go on anyway and wasting time trying to stop it sets a bad example for our descendants down the line. If we go all puritan now they'll be wasting their resources on vice squads in a fruitless battle to stop prostitution.

[Soyuz]

Anything goes between consenting adults (adult defined as 16 or older). I would be firmly against outlawing prostitution since it'll go on anyway and wasting time trying to stop it sets a bad example for our descendants down the line. If we go all puritan now they'll be wasting their resources on vice squads in a fruitless battle to stop prostitution.
And where are those kids going to go to, besides the garbage can? How many pounds of condoms did you pack?

[Flocculencio]

And where are those kids going to go to, besides the garbage can? How many pounds of condoms did you pack?

Umm...it's not as if we're going to have a problem with overpopulation. And there are plenty of other contraceptive methods.

Besides, you don't seem to be taking into account the fact that outlawing it doesn't mean it won't happen.

After all, look at the squeaky clean prostitution free streets of American cities where it is outlawed. :rolleyes:

It just means that when it does happen, the women will be more prone to exploitation, not being safeguarded by the law as other workers are.

[Glen]

If prostitution is legalized here, I will be spearheading an effort to heavily regulate it, both for the protection of the sex workers and their clients and those that contact their clients.

The ASBs sanitized us apparently when it comes to diseases, but once we get more contact with the native population...didn't I once here a theory that Europe gave the Americas smallpox, but the Americas gave Europe syphilis?

Pregnancy will be an issue if people begin to engage in this. I certainly did not bring any prophylactics.

Actually...we could have female contraceptives in a matter of months. Estrogen is the main ingredient, and we're about to have lots of it...in the urine of our pregnant livestock. The first estrogen supplement was called Premarin, a contraction of Pregnant Mare's Urine, from which it was extracted. But there are problems with just using estrogen for contraception...it raises coaguability and stroke risk.

Overall, I wouldn't recommend prostitution as a career choice...

[Flocculencio]

If prostitution is legalized here, I will be spearheading an effort to heavily regulate it, both for the protection of the sex workers and their clients and those that contact their clients.
Overall, I wouldn't recommend prostitution as a career choice...

Oh of course no one would recommend prostitution as a career choice but at least with it legalised, there will be records of who the prostitutes are so that they can have regular medical checkups.

If it's illegal then prostitutes will just do their business covertly, hence with more chance of diseases not getting diagnosed.

[jolo]

If prostitution is legalized here, I will be spearheading an effort to heavily regulate it, both for the protection of the sex workers and their clients and those that contact their clients.

The ASBs sanitized us apparently when it comes to diseases, but once we get more contact with the native population...didn't I once here a theory that Europe gave the Americas smallpox, but the Americas gave Europe syphilis?

Pregnancy will be an issue if people begin to engage in this. I certainly did not bring any prophylactics.

Actually...we could have female contraceptives in a matter of months. Estrogen is the main ingredient, and we're about to have lots of it...in the urine of our pregnant livestock. The first estrogen supplement was called Premarin, a contraction of Pregnant Mare's Urine, from which it was extracted. But there are problems with just using estrogen for contraception...it raises coaguability and stroke risk.

Overall, I wouldn't recommend prostitution as a career choice...

Thereby I'd say if a prostitute makes enough money to support her children, let her have them...

Right now, we basically need all the children we can get to build up a civilized society asap. Before we reach the first 200 million (including natives) we don't need to think about contraception at all imo.

[Glen]

Thereby I'd say if a prostitute makes enough money to support her children, let her have them...

Right now, we basically need all the children we can get to build up a civilized society asap. Before we reach the first 200 million (including natives) we don't need to think about contraception at all imo.

Actually, year one pregnancies and young children aren't a good idea...we need those women employed (though you'd be surprised how long many pregnant women can work :eek: ), and we don't want more mouths to feed until we've got our fields producing, our fishing fleet, etc.

Year 2 would be good for a baby boom, not year one.

[jolo]

Actually, year one pregnancies and young children aren't a good idea...we need those women employed (though you'd be surprised how long many pregnant women can work :eek: ), and we don't want more mouths to feed until we've got our fields producing, our fishing fleet, etc.

Year 2 would be good for a baby boom, not year one.

But as it takes 9 months anyways, that would mostly be year 2.

Also, I suppose we won't have that many prostitutes so quickly.

And there are lots of natural ways to make contraception less likely - the sexually more active women will know them all within the next few weeks...

[Norbert]

The ASBs sanitized us apparently when it comes to diseases, but once we get more contact with the native population...didn't I once here a theory that Europe gave the Americas smallpox, but the Americas gave Europe syphilis?



Actually, new studies show there was syphilis in Europe prior to contact with the Americas, though a milder strain.

[Soyuz]

A huge population boom is actually not that great. Parents who have to take care of 4+ children on year 2, as well as continuously expanding the community, aren't going to care much about upkeeping the technology we have now. And if we continue at that pace until we have 20million, which will take dozens of generations, we might as well loose what we have now.

[jolo]

A huge population boom is actually not that great. Parents who have to take care of 4+ children on year 2, as well as continuously expanding the community, aren't going to care much about upkeeping the technology we have now. And if we continue at that pace until we have 20million, which will take dozens of generations, we might as well loose what we have now.

It's not too difficult to store the books for later use, and it should be possible to make copies of them one day.

Also, with a small population, there will not be enough specialisation to support any high tech. Therefore, low growth might mean it takes longer for some tech to be used.

Also, families of 4 or more children will like any technology that makes their work easier. While small families will often waste a lot of money on more toys than useful, on gadgets, and other more or less useless things.

As we can expect quite a few catastrophes in the next 4000 years (some of them well known, some of them not) we should try to get a lot of settlements going asap, so that chances are bigger that at least a few of our children will survive.

If we get an average of 3 surviving, sufficiently healthy children per grown up, I calculated the following numbers:

3.000
12.000
45.000
168.000
627.000
2.340.000
8.733.000
32.592.000
121.635.000
453.948.000
1.694.157.000
6.322.680.000

One dozen generations would be enough to reach todays population even at very low reproduction rates and if there were no other humans on the planet. In reality, it'll be much faster thanks to Amerindians and later other peoples.

But I suppose once we reach a billion people, there's reason to start using contraceptives.

Just to avoid misunderstanding: I'm not saying everyone should start producing children at once. I agree that it's better to wait until our food production is sufficient - though I'd be against any forms of limiting people in this regard. It's everyones own decision.

Edit - I have to correct that 3 children per person means 6 children per woman - that's not a low number - though some of our religions will easily achieve that.

Better figures for 3 children per woman:

3.000
7.500
15.750
31.875
63.938
127.969
255.984
511.992
1.023.996
2.047.998
4.095.999
8.192.000
16.384.000
32.768.000
65.536.000
131.072.000
262.144.000
524.288.000
1.048.576.000
2.097.152.000
4.194.304.000
8.388.608.000

[Soyuz]

Storing and liking technology will be no problem, but implimenting it will be impossible with so much energy going into raising children and actually getting set up the first years.

There are many examples where developed nations have low birthrates, the opposite for undeveloped.

I would suggest 4 children per family.

I also have no idea how you got a 2,111,000 fold increase over 12*25(?)=375 years. I'd like to see an example of that.

[jolo]

Storing and liking technology will be no problem, but implimenting it will be impossible with so much energy going into raising children and actually getting set up the first years.

There are many examples where developed nations have low birthrates, the opposite for undeveloped.

I would suggest 4 children per family.

I also have no idea how you got a 2,111,000 fold increase over 12*25(?)=375 years. I'd like to see an example of that.

A lot of countries had the according growth rates, some even for whole centuries (USA, Europe after the black plague, China after building the Great Channel, and so on). As we have the advantage of hindsight, we can easily even top that by copying the best examples. My first example amounts to a growth rate of nearly 4.5 percent per year - realistic and often achieved for decades. As we have lots of knowledge, we could keep that up until we have reached the population we want to achieve in the long term. The second example is a growth rate of 3%, and that's even easier to achieve - and was achieved pretty often.

Also, until the invention of the pill, it was usual to have and raise even more children - the numbers were just decimated regularly due to illnesses, wars, famine, and so on. And the people still achieved growth rates of up to 10% for the economy.

[Glen]

Well, it looks like a clear opinion is emerging. I doubt at this point we'll see a change given about 70% with 24 votes.