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Psychomeltdown
December 13th, 2005, 01:36 AM
Well it seems the Great Hunt is still a go and it's happening Day 7.

The Basic Plan Is This... (http://alternatehistory.com/discussion/showpost.php?p=384361&postcount=70)


From it we'll need...

180 Shooters
120 Reloaders (for shooters)
175 Beaters
75 Beater Shooter (tagging along with Beaters)
150 Teamsters/Haulers
100 Butcherers
300 Smokers
100 Camp Helpers
60 Water Brigade (we still need water)
100 Camp Guardians
50 Independent Shooters.
anyone left over will be Misc Tasks.

If you sign up for a Beater or Beater Shooter, then specify Section A or Section B , cuz there's two sections.


TENTATIVE SCHEDULE

600 - Shooters, reloaders, Beaters and Beater Shooters Section A (BBSA)and Beater and Beater Shooters Section B (BBSB) and Independent Shooters Section A and Section B (ISA and ISB) head out to the Killzone and Woods.

900 - BBSA and BBSB should be in their respective positions. Shooters, Reloaders, IS should be in their positions. Game Chase begins.

1000 - (Section A) game should be herded to the Killzone, by ISA, BBSA. There the Shooters will take care of the game that come in thier area, ISA will take care of the Big Game (large animals, bears, etc).

1100 - attempt to clean up the game, start hauling away bodies, etc.

1230 - BBSB begins chasing game to Killzone.

1330 - ISB and BBSB attempt to herd game into Killzone. Shooters take care of the game and ISA and ISB take care of the small game.

1400 onward, skinning, hauling, cleaning, killing, processing the meat and getting it to the smokers.

POLL COMING

Othniel
December 13th, 2005, 01:38 AM
I'll be a smoker, or is the scouting party leaving on that day?

Matt
December 13th, 2005, 01:39 AM
I'll be a smoker, or is the scouting party leaving on that day?


@ 0400. Don't want Almick to be freaked out.

I just realized there's an offical conflict... The Ranger recruits report for training @ 0500

Othniel
December 13th, 2005, 01:43 AM
@ 0400. Don't want Almick to be freaked out.

I just realized there's an offical conflict... The Ranger recruits report for training @ 0500
Have them do it the day after. By the end of the second week trek organization needs to start, by the end of the thrid everyone really should be ready to go...

Edit: How far away is the Miwok settlement? We'll head there at 1900 tonight rather than be waking up at 4 AM, I think would be better.

Matt
December 13th, 2005, 01:44 AM
Have them do it the day after. By the end of the second week trek organization needs to start, by the end of the thrid everyone really should be ready to go...

We only two weeks to train these guys, we need everyday to do it. Maybe we can have them all participate in some capacity. But they need to train.

Ghost 88
December 13th, 2005, 02:02 AM
Hey guys how many casuiltys are exceptable in this hunt? If the answer is zero then were going to need every Ranger oficer and nco not on the scout as range safetys

Matt
December 13th, 2005, 02:08 AM
Hey guys how many casuiltys are exceptable in this hunt? If the answer is zero then were going to need every Ranger oficer and nco not on the scout as range safetys


Okay. I didn't think of that, but you're right. We'll just loose a day training.

Ghost 88
December 13th, 2005, 02:35 AM
Okay. I didn't think of that, but you're right. We'll just loose a day training.
Can't be helped I wonder if 60 of the shooters will know which end the bullet comes out

Grimm Reaper
December 13th, 2005, 02:49 AM
Ghost 88, if they don't now, they will soon!

I'll wave to you guys while fishing. Any requests for tonight's seafood chowder?

Psychomeltdown
December 13th, 2005, 03:05 AM
Well come one people. We need workers!!!!

Psychomeltdown
December 14th, 2005, 12:17 AM
TENTATIVE SCHEDULE

600 - Shooters, reloaders, Beaters and Beater Shooters Section A (BBSA)and Beater and Beater Shooters Section B (BBSB) and Independent Shooters Section A and Section B (ISA and ISB) head out to the Killzone and Woods.

900 - BBSA and BBSB should be in their respective positions. Shooters, Reloaders, IS should be in their positions. Game Chase begins.

1000 - (Section A) game should be herded to the Killzone, by ISA, BBSA. There the Shooters will take care of the game that come in thier area, ISA will take care of the Big Game (large animals, bears, etc).

1100 - attempt to clean up the game, start hauling away bodies, etc.

1230 - BBSB begins chasing game to Killzone.

1330 - ISB and BBSB attempt to herd game into Killzone. Shooters take care of the game and ISA and ISB take care of the small game.

1400 onward, skinning, hauling, cleaning, killing, processing the meat and getting it to the smokers.

Psychomeltdown
December 14th, 2005, 12:19 AM
Hey, Ward.

You and your sons good shots????

Just wondering cuz we'll be needing independent shooters, people who have excellent aim to take down the big game, the elk, big dear, and any predators that run our way.

SionEwig
December 14th, 2005, 12:21 AM
My wife will volunteer as a shooter of which ever type you want.

Psychomeltdown
December 14th, 2005, 12:26 AM
Is there any guesstimation as to how much game we'll be hauling in?

I'm hoping for a big haul, considering that this is pretty much forests that haven't been heavily hunted for generations.




My wife will volunteer as a shooter of which ever type you want.

She can be in the Beater Shooter A. giving firepower support to the Beaters, hopefully there won't be much in the way of big game that challenge the Beaters... most I'm thinking are the bears, they don't need to fear anything, up to this point.

Gerard-ABC
December 14th, 2005, 12:27 AM
I'll volunteer Sophie - she can shoot straighter than me, she's got a 30-06. Also did a couple of years in army cadets years ago.

We've discussed it last night, she'll do the shooting animals / food stuff, and I'll do the construction / non-dead animal bits stuff.


Regards,
Gerard

Psychomeltdown
December 14th, 2005, 12:30 AM
I think we're gonna have to put the big manpower consuming projects on hold for a day to two, just to process our catch.

Even if we only get 2 weeks of food, we'll be looking at several thousands of pounds of meat. so we'll be needing a lot of labor hauling, smoking, and storing all of this...

Matt
December 14th, 2005, 12:34 AM
I think we're gonna have to put the big manpower consuming projects on hold for a day to two, just to process our catch.

Even if we only get 2 weeks of food, we'll be looking at several thousands of pounds of meat. so we'll be needing a lot of labor hauling, smoking, and storing all of this...


I need time to train the Rangers. I can't keep on cutting days like this.

jolo
December 14th, 2005, 12:36 AM
May I suggest that you also try using bows, at least for the smaller game? Would save a lot of ammunition.

Psychomeltdown
December 14th, 2005, 12:38 AM
I need time to train the Rangers. I can't keep on cutting days like this.
The Great Hunt will be a chance for them to show their shooting skills. :D

Basically Day 7: We kill animals.
Day 8: we begin smoking them in earnest.

meaning some of the man power can be shifted, therefore Not everyone is really needed. But the Big Manpower drains, as logging, should have to be cut down a bit, at least a day.

Psychomeltdown
December 14th, 2005, 12:39 AM
May I suggest that you also try using bows, at least for the smaller game? Would save a lot of ammunition.
How many people can shoot moving game? i can't and i bought a bow. Unfortunately, it's shoot 'em all dead for now.

archery, especially archery involving moving targets is a skill that takes months of training to prefect.

I need to start training the 4H club on archery...

Norbert
December 14th, 2005, 12:42 AM
For Ward:

Yes, we can shoot straight. Count us for Three shooting. The rest of the clan will help processing animals.

By the way, for myself: My wife will help tend kids in camp.

Norbert
December 14th, 2005, 12:48 AM
How many people can shoot moving game? i can't and i bought a bow. Unfortunately, it's shoot 'em all dead for now.

archery, especially archery involving moving targets is a skill that takes months of training to prefect.

I need to start training the 4H club on archery...

If not years of practice. Also, most bow hunters may not want to sacrafice a large percentage of their arrows to damage beyond our current ability of repair.

By the way, on Smoking the Animals in Earnest: Pass me that squirrel there so I can take a toke:D

For Ward:
'Hey, don't bogarde that squirrel!!!!':D

Psychomeltdown
December 14th, 2005, 01:02 AM
By the way, on Smoking the Animals in Earnest: Pass me that squirrel there so I can take a toke:D

For Ward:
'Hey, don't bogarde that squirrel!!!!':D
grooooann.... :rolleyes: :p

pisces74
December 14th, 2005, 04:43 AM
I think the current poll shows not a lot of support for the hunt. as compared to the other voting polls. Also would there be quite a bit of lead in the game using the current plan?

Norbert
December 14th, 2005, 04:53 AM
I think the current poll shows not a lot of support for the hunt. as compared to the other voting polls. Also would there be quite a bit of lead in the game using the current plan?

Not really much more lead than you would get in a normal hunting situation. As to not a lot of support, it has been tried to be pointed out that we are rapidly using up our food we brought with us. I have not posted on the poll because I will be on the scouting expedition, which leaves the morning before the hunt, and some others who might be part of it will be gone also.

Ghost 88
December 14th, 2005, 05:01 AM
I think the current poll shows not a lot of support for the hunt. as compared to the other voting polls. Also would there be quite a bit of lead in the game using the current plan?
this poll is asking what job do you want in the hunt as we have some 35 players 5 are on The Scout At least 3 possibly more are Rangers acting as range safetys Doc Glen is medical backup Ward is recovering from a mild stroke at least 2 have gone thier own way a few post on occasion I presume some don't want to perticapate one is hauling water I think see what I mean As to the hunt I think for the relations with the locals you could call it "A Bad Idea"

Psychomeltdown
December 14th, 2005, 05:21 AM
Ah, but we need the food. Plus any repercussions will probably fall on Fort ian... :eek:

Plus bad relations are already beginning with the Woodland Tribes, seeing how the Homesteaders were attacked..

Ghost 88
December 14th, 2005, 05:52 AM
Ah, but we need the food. Plus any repercussions will probably fall on Fort ian... :eek:

Plus bad relations are already beginning with the Woodland Tribes, seeing how the Homesteaders were attacked..
Food most likely outwieghs my fears,I even go so far as say yes it does. That said I'm still one of the Rangers so do pardon me if I'm a wee bit paranoid. Also in the Manticorian Navy its agood XO's job to point out what shit his CO is about to step in.Take in to account I'm one of the "guardians" of the camp I would be derilict in my duties not to point this out.:)

Glen
December 14th, 2005, 09:45 PM
Point one - The shooters need to be relatively proficient in the use of firearms. We do not have enough ammunition to waste on bad shots, or volleys of fire. Also there is the safety issue.

Point two - A lot more people have signed on as 'Shooters' than anything else. As of right now, there are no beaters or several other positions.

I signed on as a butcher, since it seemed reasonable given my lack of squeamishness, dissection experience, and need to stay stationary so as to be locatable in the event of accident.

Psychomeltdown
December 14th, 2005, 10:29 PM
Point one - The shooters need to be relatively proficient in the use of firearms. We do not have enough ammunition to waste on bad shots, or volleys of fire. Also there is the safety issue.

Point two - A lot more people have signed on as 'Shooters' than anything else. As of right now, there are no beaters or several other positions.

I signed on as a butcher, since it seemed reasonable given my lack of squeamishness, dissection experience, and need to stay stationary so as to be locatable in the event of accident.
Well, seeing how food is and for the foreseeable future, the main concern. Safety will have to take a bit of a back seat in the process. They'll be injuries, hurt, and gods forbid, dead in the up coming event, But those seem the price we have to pay for anything we're doing. Logging, herding, farming, etc. There's little safety in the world anymore.

We also need the food. If we do any more Great hunts in other locations, then we can use more proficient hunters, but now we just don't have the time. We've got a lot of preparing and whatnot to get done before we move out.

Guess the NPCs will be taking up those slots...

Preferably I'd like more POVs in the shooters and Independent Shooters, since that's where the action is going to be.

Though I think Doc Finney should stand by with his medical equipment. This many people firing guns, will definitely cause some problems. Not to mention the animals, who'll probably be mad by the smell of blood and death after a while.

Norbert
December 14th, 2005, 10:37 PM
By the way, I was going to metion this before, but it slipped my mind. I am loaning 3 Butchering kits as well as 3 Meat Saws (25" blad, good for the big stuff). I have 10 replacement blades for the saws, and no option to get more, so be careful with them.

jolo
December 14th, 2005, 10:38 PM
Looking at the results of the poll, I can retcon from guard to beater.

Btw. - even though the arguments against using them in the hunt are good - arrows should be pretty easy to make. Simple wooden ones are enough for target practice, and I suppose no-one brought the broad arrows needed for hunting anyways.

Psychomeltdown
December 14th, 2005, 10:52 PM
Looking at the results of the poll, I can retcon from guard to beater.

Btw. - even though the arguments against using them in the hunt are good - arrows should be pretty easy to make. Simple wooden ones are enough for target practice, and I suppose no-one brought the broad arrows needed for hunting anyways.
Unless you've been hunting with bows or practicing archery, they're not practical at the moment.

The arrows i brought are mainly for hunting and a few for tother things than hunting.

Glen
December 14th, 2005, 10:52 PM
Well, seeing how food is and for the foreseeable future, the main concern. Safety will have to take a bit of a back seat in the process.

People were instructed to bring about a 30 day supply per person of food with them. I am assuming that most did. Therefore we have a little bit of time to do things right.

Safety is always an issue. We will have to take risks, but we need to be smart about those risks.

Besides, I'm just as worried about the wastage of ammunition as I am about safety.:(

They'll be injuries, hurt, and gods forbid, dead in the up coming event,

Yes, there will. But if we don't think ahead as best we can to lower the odds of those happening, then shame on us. How hard is it to say that we will assign the best shooters with the most experience to the role of shooting game, rather than just lining every yahoo up? We can already see we have more shooting volunteers than anything else...we can afford to be selective.

But those seem the price we have to pay for anything we're doing. Logging, herding, farming, etc. There's little safety in the world anymore.

There never was safety...that was an illusion. On the plus side, not as many car accidents...:rolleyes: We can't eliminate accidents, and we have to take some risks, but we have to prepare and minimize the possibilities of such accidents whenever and wherever we can. It's not good enough to just shrug and say, 'oh well'.


We also need the food. If we do any more Great hunts in other locations, then we can use more proficient hunters, but now we just don't have the time.

But we probably do have the manpower...

We've got a lot of preparing and whatnot to get done before we move out.

Still no excuse for being sloppy about it....


Guess the NPCs will be taking up those slots...

A proportion of them, yes. But PCs with little to no firearm experience will also.


Preferably I'd like more POVs in the shooters and Independent Shooters, since that's where the action is going to be.

Depends. Might be interesting to hear first hand accounts of the beaters, being out there in the woods not sure whether frightened game are going to pop out at them, maybe having to have an angry bear taken down by an independent shooter right next to them...or from the butchers about all the muck and guts they have to go through...or what have you.


Though I think Doc Finney should stand by with his medical equipment. This many people firing guns, will definitely cause some problems. Not to mention the animals, who'll probably be mad by the smell of blood and death after a while.

Shame, really. I actually am a reasonably good shot with a gun, but I agree.

Psychomeltdown
December 14th, 2005, 11:06 PM
It would have been helpful if people could have added their bits on how the Great Hunt was being organized. We just agreed on it and seemingly forget about it. In game and out of game.

but reasonably we can say that when we get to the KZ we can sort out those that can shoot and those that can't. We see what happens in the when the Section A animals arrive and again sort out who's the better shot.

Section B shootings will hopefully work out a bit better than the first time around.

Norbert
December 14th, 2005, 11:21 PM
As I recall, I did try to point out some changes to the plan, and they mirror what has been said today.

Ghost 88
December 15th, 2005, 03:36 AM
And I've tried to point out some safety concerns regarding the position of the shooters in respect to the beaters.