ALT Reference Thread

[Norbert]

This is for reference material that people may find useful in their planning.

[Norbert]

Vegetables: Planting, and amounts needed for planting:

http://www.seedway.com/

http://www.irish-eyes.com/growers/index.php?growerchoice=9&site=ir&Store_Session=001915071220056922123424&B1=Go#DRY%20BEANS

Topographical Maps for the Bay Area: 1890s to present

http://sunsite3.berkeley.edu/histopo/

[Ward]

A link to diffrent type of Cows

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxen

[Doctor What]

Food and Cuisine (http://college.hmco.com/history/readerscomp/naind/html/na_012400_foodandcuisi.htm) of Natives (very basic but still very good info)

Fishing Methods (http://college.hmco.com/history/readerscomp/naind/html/na_012002_methods.htm)

Hunting Techniques (http://college.hmco.com/history/readerscomp/naind/html/na_016000_hunting.htm)

[Doctor What]

For all of us would-be farmers

Vegetable Maturity Dates, Yields and Storage (http://www.ext.nodak.edu/extpubs/plantsci/hortcrop/h912w.htm)

More gardening tips (http://www.thegardenhelper.com/vegtips.html)

More stuff on planting and harvesting (http://www.uwex.edu/ces/wihort/fruitveggies/HarvestDates.htm)

Gardening 101 (http://jefferson.ifas.ufl.edu/ag_pages/veg_tips.htm)

Some odds and ends about vegetable garden planning (http://www.ext.colostate.edu/pubs/Garden/07603.html)

[Norbert]

I would like to point out that some of the yields may not be from hand picking/contiuous harvest, for example, cucumbers will produce several months, picking every two to three days, and with poor ground we had what they call a good yield.

This IS a very good reference to have though! Coupled with the Seedway catalog link, we have reference to both how much to plant and how much we can get from the planting.

[Doctor What]

I would like to point out that some of the yields may not be from hand picking/contiuous harvest, for example, cucumbers will produce several months, picking every two to three days, and with poor ground we had what they call a good yield.

This IS a very good reference to have though! Coupled with the Seedway catalog link, we have reference to both how much to plant and how much we can get from the planting.

Thanks.

Even those sites have a wide range, so we can play around with them a bit. Plus we'll be planting in a different climate and a different area and so forth so that could tweak all the numbers a bit if we want.

It's mostly so that we at least have some rough numbers that actually make sense, rather than us sitting around going 'Uhhhhh--I managed to raise...I don't know--12 pounds--of stuff..."

[Doctor What]

Oh--forgot this one:

Fruit trees maturity and planting info (http://aggie-horticulture.tamu.edu/extension/fruitgarden/table1.html#table1)

More stuff on fruit trees (http://www.cahe.nmsu.edu/pubs/_circulars/circ523.pdf) (pdf format)

Lots more info here (http://www.utextension.utk.edu/publications/spfiles/SP307-H.pdf)

[Doctor What]

From here (http://www.santacruzpl.org/history/places/cstdy1-1.shtml)

Coast Dairies Property: A Land Use History
[Excerpt from Coast Dairies Long-Term Resource Protection and Use Plan: Draft Exiting Conditions Report for the Coast Dairies Property, Section 1.0.
Figures and photos referenced in text are not included in this web version.]

1.1 - Prehistory
1.1.1 PHYSIOGRAPHY
The physical geography of the northern Santa Cruz coast--the North Coast, in local parlance--is marked by broad marine terraces that rise eastward from the ocean to the Santa Cruz Mountains. These terraces comprise two rock formations, including the Santa Cruz Mudstone Formation (a soft, eroding bedrock), and the Monterey Formation, a hard silica-rich deposit containing Monterey chert, an important source of toolstone for the Native Americans of the Central Coast.1 These terraces have been exposed to continuous wave action, resulting in the formation of the distinctive steep cliffs that stand sentinel along the coastline. Sandy "pocket" beaches occur intermittently where streams have cut through the marine terrace to meet the sea, and are often paired with the small estuaries formed by some of the larger streams such as Scott and Waddell Creeks.

The modern climate of the region is considered to be Mediterranean and is characterized by relatively dry summers and moist winters. Average annual rainfall is 27 inches and mean annual temperature is 59 degrees. In the summer months, seasonal upwelling of cold ocean waters generates morning coastal fog. On-shore north or northwesterly winds usually increase during the day, clearing off the fog, and die down again by evening when the fog returns.

Paleoenvironmental studies suggest that climatic conditions 30,000 to 5,000 years ago were slightly cooler and more moist than today. Pollen studies indicate that the climate was more like present day Fort Bragg in Northern California (Jones and Hildebrandt, 1990). Current conditions appear to have been in place by 5,000 years ago.

1.1.2 TERRESTRIAL ENVIRONMENT AND RESOURCES
The Coast Dairies Property incorporates four major ecological zones 2 including coastal terrace, ridge system, riverine, and upland meadow (Hylkema, 1991). Modern vegetation was most likely present for many centuries before recorded history, and its diversity provided early inhabitants an array of plants and trees for food, medicine, tools and baskets.

For the first human inhabitants of the Property, there was a variety of natural resources that might have been the envy of more interior peoples. Plants bearing edible seeds and/or leafy greens are known to have been used throughout the year, as revealed by plant remains from archaeological sites. In the spring, lupine 3 was harvested for its edible green leaves, while chia provided edible seeds. During the late spring and summer a variety of seed-bearing plants were gathered including tarweed, goosefoot and elderberry. Soaproot was particularly important as it was used for food (edible root), fish poison, soap, and brushes (Fitzgerald and Ruby, 1997). Numerous species of trees and shrubs were also a source of edible nuts and berries including baynut, hazelnut, and tan oak, all of which were harvested in the fall (Fitzgerald and Ruby, 1997). Buckeye, California bay laurel and coast live oaks are also considered to have been economically important (Hylkema, 1991).

Acorns and grass seeds constituted a significant proportion of the native diet. Ethnographic accounts indicate that the natives sought to increase seed production of coast grasslands through intentional burning. Rediscovered as "prescribed burning" in modern times, this prehistoric practice also served to increase forage and attract large mammals such as black tailed deer, which were regularly hunted (Jones and Hildebrandt, 1990). Other animals in the aboriginal larder came from the coastal scrubland and forests of the area, habitats for terrestrial mammals, reptiles, fish, and amphibians. Oak woodlands in particular harbor a large number of animals and birds for thermal cover, escape, dens, nests, and foraging (Barrett, 1980). Modern and historic use of the region has altered somewhat the ecology of the Central Coast and reconstruction of prehistoric conditions is at least partly by inferrence, but species known to have been important to native peoples include a wide variety of small to medium mammals including the jackrabbit, cottontail rabbit, kangaroo rat, ground squirrel and badger.

Studies have identified more than two hundred resident species of birds in the region but, perhaps more importantly, the cold and nutrient-rich waters immediately offshore lie astride the Pacific migratory waterfowl flyway. Avifaunal remains from archaeological sites on the Santa Cruz coast indicate that waterbirds such as canvasback duck, common merganser and blue winged teal were part of the prehistoric diet (Dietz et al., 1988).

1.1.3 MARINE RESOURCES
Offshore vegetal resources such as kelp, seaweed and sea palm are known to have been exploited prehistorically. Native peoples collected these plants on-shore and roasted them for immediate consumption or dried and stored them for future use (Jones and Hildebrandt, 1990). Shell refuse from an extensive menu of mussels, barnacles, limpets, chitons, abalone and clams are commonly found in coastal archaeological sites. Migratory marine mammals known historically on the Central Coast were probably present prehistorically, and no doubt harbor seals, northern elephant seals, and sea lions were sources of protein and fat. These species were attracted by the same fish exploited by humans: Pacific mackerel, night smelt, white croaker, righteyed and lefteyed flounder and anchovy (Jones and Hildebrandt, 1990).

1.1.4 ARCHAEOLOGICAL RESEARCH
The coastal region stretching from Santa Cruz to San Francisco has been the focus of numerous archaeological surveys and excavations since the early 1900s. The earliest of these investigations reflected the trophy-hunting mentality of the times, collecting museum specimens for display purposes from some of the largest prehistoric residential sites elsewhere in the San Francisco Bay region. These studies were extremely limited in scope and provided little understanding of prehistoric life-ways of people who inhabited this part of the Central Coast.

Beginning in late 1960s, academic research by students at San Francisco State University (and later San Jose State University) expanded the number of recorded archaeological sites along the coasts of San Mateo and Santa Cruz counties. While much of this research was limited to site recording and limited sampling, a few important studies provided valuable information for the development of a regional chronology and an integrated understanding of prehistoric life (Roop, 1976; Hylkema, 1991). Hylkema's 1991 thesis was particularity important, as it not only provided the first integrated examination of prehistoric adaptations along the San Mateo-Santa Cruz coast, but it also provided the basis for comparisons of local economies with those of surrounding areas including the San Francisco Bay, Monterey Bay and inland valleys.

Finally, studies driven by the requirements of the California Environmental Quality Act (CEQA) since the 1980's have also supplied invaluable chronological information, filling the gaps in archaeological data amassed from this part of the North Coast since the early 1900s (Jones and Hildebrandt, 1990; Fitzgerald and Ruby, 1997).

1.1.5 HUMAN OCCUPATION ALONG THE NORTH COAST
Archaeological and ethnographic studies indicate that the North Coast was possibly occupied from as early as the 10,000 years ago. The earliest evidence for occupation of the region comes from a site located in the Santa Cruz Mountains near Scotts Valley. This deeply buried site has been dated to 8000 BC and is the only evidence of what archaeologists refer to as the Paleo Indian period (Cartier, 1993), a designation that subsumes all occupations dating earlier than 5000 BC. Progressively rising sea levels documented for this period may have obliterated additional evidence for occupation of the coast during this time. As with the climate, sea levels appear to have stabilized to current conditions by 5000 years ago.

Evidence of habitation along the coast proper comes later, during the Lower Archaic period (3000-5000 BC) and from a site immediately adjacent to the Coast Dairies Property at Sand Hill Bluff (Jones and Hildebrandt, 1990). This locale appears to have been occupied over a span of time difficult for modern Californians to comprehend: 5000 years, beginning about 6000 years ago. Habitation of both the coastal and interior regions in and surrounding the Property is evidenced in numerous sites dating to the Middle Archaic (3000 - 1000 BC) and Upper Archaic (1000 BC - AD 1000). The latest prehistoric occupation appears to have occurred during what is known as the Emergent Period (AD 1000 - 1800) as evidenced at a site located at Davenport Landing (Fitzgerald and Ruby, 1997), and at a site about 5 miles inland in the Santa Cruz Mountains (Hylkena, 1991). Native inhabitants of the region were first encountered by Spanish explorers in 1602 and again between 1769 and 1776. Aboriginal groups of the San Francisco and Monterey Bay area came to be known collectively as Costanoan, a word derived from the Spanish word Costaños meaning 'coast people' (Levy, 1978).

During the mission period, AD 1770-1835, devastating changes occurred for the Costanoan people. The population was recruited into nearby missions and their traditional subsistence economy was replaced by an agricultural one. Analyses of mission baptismal records demonstrate that the last Costanoan tribelets living a traditional existence had disappeared by 1810 (Levy, 1978). As was true in much of the Americas, the population experienced a dramatic decline due to the introduction of European diseases, which consequently caused lower birth rates. And in a further blow, the mission culture that had absorbed and to some degree supported the Costanoans was short-lived. The secularization or abandonment of the missions by the Mexican government in 1832 caused people to relocate to different areas and establish small settlements, fragmenting the survivors and separating them farther away from their cultural heritage. It is believed that the Costanoan languages were probably not spoken after the year 1935 (Levy, 1978).

Most of what we know about native inhabitants of the region has been pieced together from the Spanish exploring expeditions, ethnographic accounts in the 1920s and 1930s (Krober, 1925), and archaeological research. The Costanoan territory was occupied by approximately 50 separate triblets, each one occupying one or more permanent village sites. The Coast Dairies Property is located within the boundaries of the area inhabited by the Cotoni tribe, which occupied the land from the mouth of the San Lorenzo River, north to Año Nuevo Creek, and east as far as Bonny Doon Ridge (Milliken, 1995).

The Costanoans encountered by the Spanish were hunter-gatherers who managed their resources to ensure a sustained livelihood. They lived in sedentary communities in domed structures covered with thatched roofs, and relied for subsistence on nuts and seeds from various trees and plants, local fauna, and fish, particularly salmon 4 , from the rivers and Pacific Ocean. Materials crafted by the Costanoans and used in subsistence activities included baskets, mortars, pestles, nets, net sinkers, anchors, and a variety of chipped stone tools. Trade with the surrounding Plains Miwok, Sierra Miwok and Yokuts allowed nonindigenous materials and food (i.e. piñon nuts) to be brought into the area as well. In exchange, the Costanoan are thought to have exported bows, salt, and salmon to neighboring groups (Levy, 1979). Economic reciprocity, in addition to intermarriage, is thought to have linked settlements together, some of which, by Spanish accounts, indicate stable and prosperous villages with as many as 200 people (Milliken, 1995). Overall population density along this part of the coast was nevertheless very sparse.

Archaeological research has helped us to understand what life was like prior to European contact, in at least some of its complexity and richness. For example, examination of numerous sites along the coast, adjacent terraces, and ridge systems of northern Santa Cruz County indicates that prehistoric inhabitants made use of a range of ecological zones including coast terrace, ridge system, riverine, and upland meadows, and that native inhabitants moved between these ecological zones to support a diverse human ecology. In what is referred to as a forager economic strategy, groups of people move from one location to another exploiting the resources in the immediate vicinity. Using their settlements as a base of operations, group movements were on a seasonal basis to optimize resource harvesting. It has been hypothesized that this strategy is extremely efficient in an ecological context like northern Santa Cruz County where resources are relatively dispersed, or not concentrated in one area. The distribution of marine and terrestrial mammals within a mosaic pattern of the coastal terraces and mixed hardwood forests are thought to have encouraged a foraging strategy until very late in time, possibly up until contact with Spanish explorers.

Footnotes:

1 The term "Central Coast" applies to the region between San Francisco and San Luis Obispo. In this report, the local term "North Coast" applies to the Coast Dairies Property before it was subject to historic boundaries, and may include areas from Point Año Nuevo to the modern day City of Santa Cruz.

2 Other classification systems, based on alternate vegetation or geological associations for example, will be used in subsequent sections.

3 Plant and animal lists, with scientific names, are included in Section 3.0.

4 Curiously, a cursory examination of fish remains from sites in and around the Coast Dairies properties reveals only a single steelhead trout element from a site at Davenport Landing (Fitzgerald and Ruby, 1997).

Rough map of the area under discussion.
http://www.ahouseinsantacruz.com/scmap.jpg

Hope you found this useful.

[Grimm Reaper]

Very useful indeed, Doctor What!

A shame I didn't bring more seedlings along but my apple and lime selection have saved us years of waiting.

[Doctor What]

A rather comprehensive listing of all plants that are native to California. You can search by scientific name, common name or even by type (grass, tree, vine, etc). Everything about the plant--including whether it is edible and cultural significance to the natives, are included.

http://www.theodorepayne.org/gallery/glossary.htm

Just might be useful.....

[Doctor What]

Rough guide to the amount of usable meat that can be derived from various animals. All weights are in grams.

1 gram =~28 grams
454 grams= 1 lb

http://texas-sea-grant.tamu.edu/pubs/Lesson4.php

[Norbert]

GURPS TL7 Equipment List:

In GURPS, TL7 is The Tech Level we are currently. While there are a few things I somewhat disagree upon on this list, it gives a good ballpark figure for weights.

http://www.gurpsmaster.de/htgeartl7.htm

[Doctor What]

Countryside Magazine is sort of considered the 'bible' for anybody who is considering to do or is actually doing "homesteading". All kinds of articles on how to run a self-sufficient farm or community can be found in their magazine.

Selected articles from their magazine from 1998-2005 (http://www.countrysidemag.com/past.htm)

[Doctor What]

Fahrenheit to Celsius Converter (http://www.wbuf.noaa.gov/tempfc.htm)

[Ward]

Called Bug out kit Weight: approx 5.50 kg w/o weapon
approx 8.75 kg w/ weapon
in an OD1 Colt .223 Imp Survival SMG w/ 3 30 rd magazines
1 Short range survival radio, range 10 kms. One channel only
1 Heavy duty reinforced space blanket, OD on one side, silver on
other
1 Light weight OD rain poncho
2 Large heavy duty trash bags
1 Water filter straw
1 Personal MP Issue Survival Kit (detailed in separate article)
1 Personal first-aid kit (detailed in separate article)
1 Small collapsible plastic bucket
1 Water storage bladder
1 OD plastic canteen & canteen cup
1 OD BDU pants
1 OD tee-shirt
1 OD wool sweater
1 OD wool watch cap
2 Pair grey socks
1 OD light weight windbreaker
1 Pair black leather gloves, w/ OD liners
4 Boxes of water/ wind proof matches, w/ OD plastic container
2 Disposable lighters
1 "Tommy" cooker and 3 boxes, of 25 fuel tablets
1 Set KFS (Knife, Fork, Spoon)
1 Folding pocket knife
1 Knife sharpening stone
20 m of OD para cord
1 Note pad w/ pen & pencil
1 Signal mirror
1 Signal whistle
1 Small flashlight
1 Folded local map
1 Compass
Toilet paper in sealed plastic bag
2 MRE meals back

[Ward]

Morrow Project, Personal Survival Kit

The survival kit is issued to all personal of the Morrow Project.
The kit consists of two plastic containers, each measuring 11.43
cm x 13.97 cm x 3.81 cm with each container weighting 0.45 kg,
curved to fit in chest or thigh pockets. They are sealed with O-
rings and held together by "C" clamps that run the length of the
long sides, the clamps being slid off when the contents are
needed.

Container No.1

1 Aluminum dish
1 Lipstick, anti-chap and sunburn protective
50 Iodine water-purification tablets
1 bar of soap (3/8 ounce)
1 Tincture benzalkonium chloride bottle (2CC)
1 Illuminating candle
2 Waterproof receptacles (rubber prophylactics)
11 A.P.C. tablets
6 Waterproofed matches
1 Single edge razor blade
3 Band aids
1 Adhesive plaster
1 Boric acid ointment, tube (1/8 oz.)
1 Gauze
6 Salt tablets (sodium chloride)
6 D-Methemphet hydrochloride tablets
1 Mirroe with cord attached
1 Snare wire assembly
Container No. 2

1 Pliers
16 Oxytetracycline tablets
1 Wrist compass and strap
1 Fishing kit (plastic container, 2 wet flies with snell, 15 fish
hooks, nickel demon with double hook and 3 lead strip sinkers)
6 Waterproof matches
1 Single edge razor blade
1 Sewing kit (2 needles and thread)
1 Sparking metal (flint)
1 Fishing line
1 Sun and bug repellent, tube (1 oz.)
1 Absorbent cotton (2 grams)
1 Chamois
3 Band aids
2 Spare sinkers

[Ward]

M1 Steel Helmet w/ Woodland Cover
(AV: 8, Weight: 2.00 Kg)

M1955 Armour Vest, Olive Drab
(AV: 8, Weight: 3.60 Kg)

All-Purpose Lightweight Individual Carrying Equipment (ALICE)

Y-Suspenders, Olive Drab
Equipment Belt, Olive Drab, w/ Quick Release Buckle
Small Arms Ammo Pouches, Olive Drab (2)
M7 Bayonet and Carrier, Olive Drab
Plastic E-Tool Carrier, Olive Drab, w/
Collapsible Entrenching Tool
LC-2 Canteen Cover, Olive Drab, w/
Plastic Canteen and M1 NBC Drinking Cap
First Aid Pouch, Olive Drab
M17A1 Protective Mask Carrier, Olive Drab, w/
M17A1 Protective Mask
Sidearm Holster, Black Leather or Olive Drab

Other Equipment that maybe added

2 Quart Plastic Canteen and Cover, Olive Drab
5 Quart Flotation Bladder Canteen, Olive Drab
Rucksack, LC-2, Medium w/ Frame or w/o Frame, Olive Drab
2 Compartment Combat Field Pack, Olive Drab

Rucksack, LC-2, Large w/ Frame (17 Kg)
with the Following

Battle Dress Uniform (BDU), Olive Drab (2 pr)
M65 Jacket, Woodland, w/ Liner (1)
Boots, Combat, Black, w/ armored soles (2 pr)
Undershirt, Olive Drab (4)
Underwear, Olive Drab (4 pr)
Wool Socks, Grey (6 Pr)
Rainsuit, Rubberized Nylon, Olive Drab (1 set)
Field Cap, Ball Type, OD (1)
Field Cap, Round Brim, OD (1)
Sweater, Olive Drab (1)
Belt, Black with Brass Clasp Buckle (2)
Long Johns, Olive Drab (2 pr)
Gloves, Combat, Inner & Outer (2 pr)
Ground Sheet, Olive Drab (2)
Sleeping Bag, w/ Outer, Inner, Hood & Liner (1)
Mosquito Net, Olive Drab (1)
Foam Bedroll, Olive Drab (1)
Toilet Kit, Basic (1)
Sun/ Wind/ Dust Goggles, Olive Drab Frame
w/ Clear and Smoked Lenses
Compass w/ Compass Carrier (1)
Protractor (1)
Field Message Pad (3) w/ Cover
Map Case, Olive Drab (1)
Geiger Tab (1)
M1 CBR kit (1)
I.D., Morrow Project (1)
Concentrated Meal Bar (9 Bars/ Pouch, 1 Bar/ Meal) (5 Pouchs)
Lighter, Disposable (2)
Flashlight, Crookneck, Olive Drab (1)
Box, Matches, Wind & Rain Proof (3)
Rope, 50 m, Nylon, Olive Drab (1)
String, 100 m, Cotton, Olive Drab (1)
Carabineer, Locking "D", Black (1)
Satchel, Personal Effects (1)
Cleaning Kit, Weapons, Universal (1)

[Ward]

Standard Morrow Project Issued Equipment, Years 1988 -> ????

Integrated Individual Fighting System (IIFS) with the Following

Personal Armour System for Ground Troops (PASGT), Woodland
(AV: 14, Weight: 4.00 kg)

Helmet, Ground Troops - Parachutists (HGTP), Woodland
(AV: 12, Weight: 1.45 Kg)

Individual Tactical Load-Bearing Vest (ITLBV) Consists of
(Weight: 2 Kg)

Suspenders, Woodland w/
4x M16 Ammunition Pouches
2x M33 Grenade Pouches
Equipment Belt, Olive Drab w/ Fastex Buckle
M9 Bayonet and Carrier
Plastic E-Tool Carrier, Olive Drab, w/
Collapsible Entrenching Tool
Canteen Cover, Woodland, w/
Plastic Canteen and M1 NBC Drinking Cap
First Aid Pouch, Woodland
M17A2 Protective Mask Carrier, Olive Drab, w/
M17A1 Protective Mask
M258 Individual Decontamination Kit
M12 Ambidextrous Holster, Olive Drab

Other Equipment that maybe added

2 Quart Plastic Canteen and Cover, Olive Drab
5 Quart Flotation Bladder Canteen, Olive Drab

Field Pack, Large, with Internal Frame (FPLIF), Woodland (20 kg)
with the Following

Battle Dress Uniform (BDU), Woodland (2 pr)
M65 Combat Jacket, Woodland, w/ Liner (1)
Boots, Combat, Black, w/ armored soles (2 pr)
Undershirt, Olive Drab (4)
Underwear, Olive Drab (4 pr)
Wool Socks, Grey (6 Pr)
Rainsuit, Gore-Tex, Woodland (1 set, Jacket and Pants)
Field Cap, Ranger, Woodland (1)
Sweater, Olive Drab (1)
Belt, Nylon, Green with Fastex Buckle (2)
Long Johns, Olive Drab (2 pr)
Gloves, Combat, Inner & Outer (2 pr)
Ground Sheet, Woodland (2)
Poncho Liner, Thinsulate, Woodland (1)
Sleeping Bag, w/ Outer, Inner, Hood & Liner, Olive Drab (1)
Bivouac, Sleeping Bag Cover, Gore-Tex, Woodland
Mosquito Net, Olive Drab (1)
Bedroll, Self Inflating, Olive Drab (1)
Toilet Kit, Basic (1)
Sun/ Wind/ Dust Goggles, OD Frame
w/ Clear and Smoked Lenses (1)
Compass w/ Compass Carrier (1)
Protractor (1)
Field Message Pad (3) w/ Cover
Map Case, Olive Drab (1)
Geiger Tab (1)
M1 CBR kit (1)
I.D., Morrow Project (1)
Concentrated Meal Bar (9 Bars/ Pouch, 1 Bar/ Meal) (5 Pouchs)
Lighter, Disposable (2)
Flashlight, Crookneck, Olive Drab (1)
Box, Matches, Wind & Rain Proof (3)
Rope, 50 m, Nylon, Olive Drab (1)
String, 100 m, Cotton, Olive Drab (1)
Carabineer, Locking "D", Black (1)
Satchel, Personal Effects (1)
Cleaning Kit, Weapons, Universal (1)

These are some things you might want to take with you set up in already with weights .

[Ward]

Medical Kits

Drug Kit WT: 30.0 Kg

Filled Syringes
12 - Atropine
12 - 2 PAM Chloride
12 - Calcium Chloride
12 - Dextrose
12 - Epinephrine
12 - Lidocaine
12 - Sodium Bicarbonate
6 - Valium

Drugs in Ampules
20 - Lanoxin
20 - Narcan
20 - Nitroglycerin
20 - Solu-Cortef
20 - Aminophyline
20 - Amy Nitrate
40 - Aromatic Ammonia
100 - Benadryl
20 - Calcium Gluconate
20 - Compazine
40 - Epinepherine
60 - Inderel
20 - Ipecac Syrup
20 - Isuprel
20 - Lasix
60 - Neo-Synephrine
60 - Nubain
20 - Dilantin

Fluids in 500 ml IV Bags
12 - Normal Saline
12 - 5% Glucose
12 - Artifical Blood


Small First Aid Kit WT: 2.0 Kg

Medical kit (13" X 10 1/2" X 2 1/4" box)
Cotton swabs
Fever Themometer
"Kling" rolled gauze 4" X 5 yards
80 assorted strip and spot band-aids
4 pr. disposable gloves
Cylume sticks 1 red, 1 yellow
Wet-proof adhesive tape 1/2" X 10 yards
Paper adhesive tape 1/2" 5 yards
4 oz. drinking water, retort pack
Eye bath cup (1 Tblspn capacity)
Neosporin (antibiotic cream)
6 - 2" X 3" pads
7 - 2" X 3" adhesive pads
4 - Butterfly closures
5 - 1 1/2" X 2" pads
10 - 3" X 4" adhesive pads
7 - 4" X 4" pads
5 - 2" X 3" Biolclusive dressings
1 - triangle bandage
12 - safety pins
2 - 2 gal. zip-loc bags
1 - Cold compress, crush to activate type
Pump style snake venom remover
TRIAGE - EMERGENCY CARE HANDBOOK 191 pages 7" x 9"
Vial of Boric Acid Powder (mix 1/64 tsp. of B(OH)3 to 1 Tbl. or eyewash)
Vial of Alchohol
Vial of Hydrogen Peroxide
Vial of Witch Hazel
Vial of Dr. Orient's electrolyte replacement formula


Small Medical Kit WT: 6.50 Kg

(equipment)
eye shield
gloves sterile (2 pair)
mirror (signal)
needles
18 g (2)
20 g (2)
pill vials (3)
Q-Tips (5)
razor blade
safety pins (25 in assorted sizes)
suture
3-0 Dexon (1)
4-0 Nylon (3)
syringe
3 cc (1)
thermometer
tongue blades (5)
(instruments)
hemostat: mosquito (2)
nail clippers
needle holder (1)
pickups with teeth (1)
scalpel handle (1)
scalpel blades
#15 (1)
#11 (1)
#10 (1)
scissors: straight Mayo
(prep)
alcohol wipes (4)
Betadine ointment (6)
Betadine prep (4 oz)
Betadine wipes (4)
Dial soap (motel) (1)
(dressings)
Band-Aids (6)
cotton balls
eye dressing (pads) (2)
field dressing (2)
(battle dressing)
(Carlyle dressing)
(pressure dressing)
roller gauze 1" (1)
sponges (2 packs with 2 each)
tape (1" silk) (wrapped on matchstick
stored in 35 mm film can)
triangle bandage
38" side, 54" hypotenuse
36" side, 50" hypotenuse
Vaseline gauze (1)
(drugs, prescription)
Benadryl 50 mg/cc (1 ampule)
Epinephrine 1:1000 (2 ampules)
Lomotil (12 tabs)
Xylocaine (1% plain) (20 cc)
(drugs, non-prescription)
aspirin (adult)
Neosporin Ointment
oil of cloves (1 oz)
Tylenol (adult)
Maalox
(other first aid supplies) (not in small REI)
air splints
pocket mask with valve
ingredients for fluid replacement
sugar
NaCl
NaHCO3
Morton's Lite Salt
snake bite kit
survival blanket


Medium Medical Kit WT: 8.5 Kg

(equipment)
pill vials (4)
tongue blades (2)
gloves (sterile)
suture (1 of each)
4-0 Dexon
5-0 Dexon
4-0 Nylon
5-0 Nylon
6-0 Nylon
3-0 Silk ties
4-0 Chromic
needles
18 g (2)
20 g (2)
syringe
3 cc (1)
razor blade (Weck) (5)
safety pins (25 in assorted sizes)
insect repellent (REI Jungle Juice)
(instruments)
needle holder
hemostat (straight) (3)
scissors
straight Mayo
Paramedic
pickups without teeth
scalpel handle
scalpel blades
#15 (1)
#11 (1)
#10 (1)
signal mirror
(prep)
Betadine solution (4 oz)
Betadine wipes (4)
Betadine ointment (6)
Neosporin ointment (8)
alcohol wipes (4)
liquid soap (Campsuds) (2 oz)
(dressings)
Band-Aids (15)
Field dressing (4) (battle dressings, Carlyle
pressure dressings)
grease gauze
Vaseline (1)
Adaptic (1)
sponges (4)
tape (1" satin tape wrapped on matchstick and
stored in a pill vial)
Triangle bandage (54" hypotenuse)
(drugs, prescription)
Benadryl 50 mg/cc (1)
Epinephrine 1:1000 (2)
Atropine 0.4 mg/cc (5)
Lomotil (12)
(drugs, non-prescription)
ASA (adult)
Tylenol (adult)
Maalox
NaCl (salt) tablets


Surgical/ Large Medical Kit WT: 11.5 Kg

(equipment)
O-P airways
N-P airways
tongue blades
ET tubes (1 each)
8.0 cuffed
7.0 cuffed
6.0 cuffed
5.5 uncuffed
6.0 uncuffed
6.5 uncuffed
stylet
laryngoscope
pedi handle
blades
Miller #3
Mac #3
McGill forceps
Ambu bag
Crico-Thyrotomy tube
suction hose
tonsil suction tip
suction catheter (14f)
DeLee (new born) suction trap
ear syringe (suction bulb)
stethoscope
gloves
exam
sterile
Steri-Strips
suture
4-0 Dexon
5-0 Dexon
6-0 Dexon
3-0 Nylon
4-0 Nylon
5-0 Nylon
6-0 Nylon
3-0 Silk ties
4-0 Silk suture
6-0 Silk suture
4-0 Chromic
needles
regular 18, 20, 25
spinal 18, 22, 25
syringes
1 cc
3 cc
5 cc
20 cc
splints (wire and air)
tourniquet
chest tube
Salem sump (18f, 14f)
umbilical cord clamp
Foley catheter
thermometer
eye dropper
Q-Tips
razor blades
safety pins
cotton sewing thread and needle
(instruments)
needle holder
hemostat
mosquito
regular
Kelly
scissors
tissue
suture
iris
Paramedic
pickups
with teeth
without teeth
splinter
scalpel handle
scalpel blades: #15, #10, #11
(prep)
Betadine scrub brush
Betadine prep
Betadine paint
Betadine wipes
Betadine ointment
hydrogen peroxide (H2O2)
alcohol
alcohol wipes
antiseptic towelettes
(dressings)
ABD's
Ace bandage (3" and 4")
Band-Aids
Eye patches
Eye shield
Field dressings (Battle dressings, Carlyle pressure
dressings)
Gauze roller bandage (2" and 3")
Grease Gauze dressing (Adaptic, Vaseline)
Kotex
Moleskin
Safety pins
Sponges (3" x 3" or 4" x 4")
Steri-Strips
Tape (satin or canvas)
1"
2"
3"
Triangle bandage (54" hypotenuse)
bed sheets (for dressings)
(drugs, prescription)
Penicillin (oral and parenteral
Amoxicillin (oral and parenteral
EES (Erythromycin) (oral)
TCN (Tetracycline) (oral and parenteral)
Antibiotic ointments (general, eye)
Antibiotic drops (eye)
Atropine (ACLS, Chemical Agents)
Benadryl (capsules, injection)
Compazine (oral, rectal, parenteral)
Decadron (parenteral)
Diamox (altitude sickness) (oral)
Droperidol (parenteral)
Epinephrine (parenteral)
Lasix (oral, parenteral)
Lomotil (oral)
Narcan (parenteral)
NTG (Nitroglycerine) (sub-lingual)
Ophthane
Opiate Analgesics
ASA with Codeine
Tylenol #3
Morphine (parenteral)
Xylocaine (ACLS, suturing)
(drugs, non-prescription)
ASA (adult and pedi)
Tylenol (adult and pedi)
Alcohol
baking soda (eye wash and soaks for dermatitis)
Calamine lotion
Chapstick
Chlorox
Colace
Desenex
powder
ointment
Ipecac
KaoPectate
Maalox
NaCl tablets (salt)
NeoSporin ointment
Nose drops (Afrin and NeoSynephrine)
Oil of cloves
Robitussin
Throat lozenges
Vaseline
Vicks
Vitamins
Multi
Vit C, 25 mg/day
Zinc oxide paste
(fluid replacement)
clear liquids (tea, bouillon, Jello)
ORAL REPLACEMENT
water 1 liter
NaCl 1 tsp
NaHCO3 1/2 tsp
IV
normal saline 1000 cc
lactated ringers 1000 cc
D5/W 500 cc
D50/W 50 cc
administration sets
extension sets
Jelcos
pressure bag
(dental)
Oil of Cloves
Tiny cotton balls
Dental pickups

[Norbert]

Item Weights to Consider. Yes, there are a few items that may be purely luxury items, but thats life:D

Seeds are the average weight of seeds to plant 1 Acre of that type of crop.

Weights are in Pounds. Item (Number/Unit) Weight
Reasoning for items may be requested, Request for weights of other items may be requested also.

Item Weight Each
Bergey XL 1-24 Wind Generator 105.00
80 ft Tower 175.00
Auger Mount 60.00
20x 6 volt 100 amphour Lead Acid Batteries 1400.00
TE 12 volt Flourecent Bases 2.00
TE 12 Volt 3-1/4” tubes 1.00
Inverter 40.00
Misc: Wire, Transformer, Boxes, Sockets 40.00
Black & Decker Rechargable Battery/Backup 35.00

Technical Books: 1 Copy each in 'Lindsey Books Catalog' 516.00
Drug Kit 66.00
Small First Aid Kit 4.50
Small Medical Kit 14.50
Medium Medical Kit 19.00
Large Medical/Surgical Kit 25.00

40 pc Glassware set 20.00
100 pc Dishes 60.00
120 pc Silverware 18.00
Hand Clothes Washer 47.00
Pressure Cooker (Large) 50.00

Cake Mixes 2.40
Frosting Tubs 0.75
Hershey Liquid Chocolate 1.00
Fruit Muffin Mixes 5.00
Baby Formula 2.50
Glass Baby Bottles 0.38
Baby Bottle Nipples 50.00
Cloth Diapers (3) 1.00
Diaper Pins (20) 1.00
Straight Pins (1000) 1.00
German Silver Sewing Needles (800) 1.00
Safety Pins (200) 1.00
Buttons: Large and Medium Size (20) 1.00
Furrier Needles (50) 1.00
Fur Knives 0.50
Fur Knife Replacement Blades (4) 1.00
Fur Scrapper 3.00
Furriers Thread (1000 yd) 1.50
Sewing Thread (13 spools) 1.00

1475 Gallon Tank, Fiberglass, Covered 351.00
1685 Gallon Tank, Fiberglass, Covered 389.00
3” PVC Pipe Foot 2.01
1.25” PVC Pipe Foot 0.59
2” PVC Pipe Foot 0.98
1” PVC Pipe Foot 0.42
PVC Fittings (3”, 2”, 1.25”, 1”) + Glue 200.00
Wind Mill, 8 foot Diameter 360.00
Wind Mill Tower, 40 foot 75.00
Well Digging Set (200 foot depth) 150.00
RAM Pump 270.00

60” Saw Blade 200.00
Mandrel, etc for Lumber Mill Blade 40.00
3/4” Cable 10 yd 4.25
1” Cable 10 yd 7.50
1.5” Cable 10 yd 17.00
Crowbar, 3 ft 3.00
Crowbar, 6 ft 6.00
Small Sledge Hammer 4.00
Falling Wedge 8.00
Maul 10.00
New Type Stanley 'Low Effort' Axe 7.00

Chicken Wire: 6'x150' 83.00
Plexiglass: 48”x96”x0.25” 39.00
Super Mag Hauler:Dual Wheel (700 lb cap) 46.00
Benjamin Moore Nahaho White Paint (5 Gal) 37.50
Barn Paint (5 Gal) 37.50
Hinges 2.00
Latches 1.50
Bolts: 3/4”x12” 1.00
Nuts& Washers: 3/4” (2) 0.50
Medium Range Radio: 30 mile range 15.00
Radio Battery 4.00
Field Phone Switchboard 99.00
Field Phones 9.00
Underground Phone Wire (328 ft) 4.50
Shoe Repair Tool Set 21.00

1 Acre Planting
Oats 100.00
Wheat 200.00
Barley 160.00
Rye 180.00
Dry Beans 50.00
Seed Potatoes 800.00
Seed Onions 4.00
Peanuts 60.00
Bush Beans 100.00
Pole Beans 50.00
Lima Beans 100.00
Sugar Beets 14.00
Broccoli 1.00
Brussel Sprouts 1.00
Cabbage 1.00
Medium Carrots 3.00
Cauliflower 1.00
Celery 80.00
Chard 2.00
Collards 3.00
Corn, Sweet 10.00
Corn, Field 8.00
Cucumbers 3.00
Eggplant 1.00
Endive 3.00
Kale 3.00
Kohlrabi 3.00
Leek 4.00
Lettuce 1.00
Muskmelon 3.00
Mustard 4.00
Okra 8.00
Parsley 4.00
Parsnip 4.00
Peas 140.00
Green Peppers 1.00
Red Peppers 1.00
Chile Peppers 1.00
Large Pumpkins 1.00
Radish 12.00
Rutabega 2.00
Spinach 15.00
Summer Squash 5.00
Winter Squash 4.00
Tomatoe 1.00
Turnips 2.00
Large Watermelons 3.00
Small Watermelons 2.00


M583A1 40mm White Star Parachute 0.54
M674 40mm CS 0.54
Type 100 40mm Practice/Tracer 0.51
Type 102 40mm HE/DPSD/AP 0.61
Mk4 Screening Smoke Grenade 1.43
M79 40mm Grenade Launcher 5.50
BAR 19.50
BAR Magazines 2.00
Enfield M1917 .30-06 Rifle 9.50
Springfield '03 Star Series Sniper Rifle 9.00
Leupold 4-12x Scopes 0.75
Spotting Scope: 20-60x 7.00
RC Supreme Master Reloading Kit 31.00
Pistol/Rifle Dies 3.00
Primers (10,000) 12.50
Modern Gun Powder (lb) 1.00
.30-06 Bullets (Not full Cartridge) (500) 10.75


Meat Thermometers (4) 1.00
Candy Thermometers (3) 1.00
Hog Pot 60.00
10 Gallon Glass Jugs w/Stoppers 8.00
Grind Stone 50.00
Fruit Trees Saplings 2.50
Baby Strollers 14.00
Wind Mill Grinder 135.00
Boss Peanut & Coffee Roaster: ½ Bsl Cap 37.00
Coffee Mill 5.00
Platform/Counter Scale 43.00
Fruit, Wine & Jelly Press 12.50
Parafin lb 1.00
Pepper & Spice Mill 0.50
Rose Bushes 4.00
Flower Seeds lb 1.00

Item Weight Each
Blue Jeans 1.5
Ragg Wool Sweater 1.5
Flannel Shirts (3) 1
Briefs (3) 0.5
T-Shirt (5) 1
Canvas Shirt (3) 1
Socks (4 pr) 1
Boots 5
Canteen, Blanket Covered w/Cup 1
Walkie-Talkie 3
Towel 0.5
BDU 2
Toilet Paper Case (96 rolls) 38.4
Tampons (1000) 39
2 Qt Canning Jars 0.5
Rubber Gaskets 200
Bugout Kit 12
Personal Survival Kit 2
Integrated Ind. Fighting System 16.5
Leather Gloves 0.5
Blanket, Wool 4
Bed Linens 4
Pillows 2.5
Day Pack 2.5
Frame Pack 5
Multifuel Lantern 4
Folding Stool 1
Folding Camp Arm Chair 4
Folding Table 5
5 Gallon Watercan 5
22 Gallon Water Barrel 11
Whistle (20) 1
Fabric Repair Kit 1
Penlight 0.1

Batteries
AA 0.05
D 0.2
9 volt 0.1

Ka-Bar 1
Crookneck Flashlight 0.5
Krypton Bulb (16) 1
Lifeboat Matches (200) 1
Magnesium Firestarter (5) 1
Nylon Belt & Buckle 0.25
Lantern Box 7
Gill Net 12'x4' 0.25
Fiskers Supersnips 0.25
50 hr Emergancy Candle (2) 1.5
Field Soap (4) 1
Rain Gear 2
200' Lightline 0.25
Poncho 1
Poncho Liner 2
150' Rapelling Rope 9
Emergancy Medkit 2
Paramedics Medkit 15
All' Gun Cleaning Kit 3
Gun Oil, Gallon 8
Black Powder Solvent, Gallon 8
Muzzle Lube (4 tubes) 1
Cleaning Patches (400) 1
Whetstone 0.5
Colt 1860 Revolver w/2 spare cylinders 3
Hawkens Flintlock Conversion 0.75
Nipples for Hawkens Percussion Caps (20) 1
Percussion Caps (10,000) 12.5
Smokeless Powder lb 1
Coffee: Instant: lb 1
Teabags (200) 1
Beds, Double 70
Chest of Drawers 40
Books: Hardcover 150
Metal Shelves 10
Love Seat, Brocade 75
Davenport, Brocade 125
Wing Back Chairs 25
Record Albums 0.5
Food: lb (mininum 150 lbs per adult) 1

Item Weight Each

Remington M32 12GA Double Barrel Shotgun 8
12 GA (240 rd) All Brass 33
.357M (1000 rd) 40
.30-06 (500 rd) 33
.22LR (5000 rd) 44

Bandoleer 0.5
Military Style Holster 0.5
Mountain Troop Cook Set 1
GI Duffel Bag 3
Truck Shovel 4
Entrenching Tool 3
Diamond Bench Stone Set (3 Large Stones) 3
Leather Holster 2
Leather Cylinder Pouch (2 cylinders) 1
Holster Belt 2
Leather Scabbard/Case 5

Herb Seeds 5
Black Pepper: lb 1
Bureau Trunk: 40” Steel Covered 60
Leather Recliner 67

Item Weight Each
.357 Magnum Blackhawks 4
Linseed Oil Gallon 9
Colt 1860 Revolver w/2 spare cylinders 3
Crank Record Player 45
Books: Hardcover 150

Boots 5
Hawkens Rifle Barrels 4
Sterling Silverware Service 24 120
Wedgewood China Service 36 120
Milk Cans 6
Milking Stools 3
Milking Buckets 5
Coffee Table 62

[Ward]

He forgot iteams you might want for your house hold .

Toliet Paper (96) 38.4 lbs
Tammpons (1,000) 39 lbs
Case of Hotel soap (1000 bars) 41 lbs
Case of Hotel shapol (400 bottles ) 39 lbs
5 Gal pail of Clothing soap 50 lbs .

[Norbert]

Fruit Growing in the San Francisco Bay Area:

http://www.crfg.org/chapters/golden_gate/images/Bay_Area.pdf#search='fruit%20growing%20san%20franc isco%20bay%20area'

[Norbert]

Following is a list of US Silver (Ag) and Gold (Au) Coin Weights:

Weight Number per
Coin Grains; Grams; Ounces; Drams; Ounce; Pound; Kilogram
Ag Dime 38.6; 2.5; 0.0875; 1.41; 11.43; 182.88; 400
Ag Quarter 96.6; 6.26; 0.2191; 3.54; 4.56; 73.03; 159.74
Ag Half Dollar 193; 12.5; 0.4377; 7.07; 2.28; 36.55; 80
Ag Dollar 412.5; 26.73; 0.9355; 15.11; 1.06; 17.1; 37.41

Au 5 Dollar 129; 8.36; 0.2926; 4.72; 3.42; 54.68; 119.62
Au 10 Dollar 258; 16.72; 0.5851; 9.45; 1.71; 27.35; 59.81
Au 20 Dollar 516; 33.44; 1.1703; 18.9; 0.85; 13.67; 29.9


Possible Incomes, Daily Wage and Monthly (24 Work Days)

Job Daily Month (24 Days)
Animal Trainer 3.00; 72
Apothecary 2.50; 60 Druggist
Cartographer 3.50; 84 Mapmaker
Chandler 2.25; 54 Candle Making, Lamps, etc
Charcoaler 2.25; 54
Clothier 2.50; 60
Cook 1.25; 30
Embalmer 2.00; 48
Farmhand 1.25; 30
Fisherman 2.00; 48
Gaoler 1.50; 36
Glassworker 2.75; 66
Herdsman 1.25; 30
Hideworker 2.50; 60 Curing and Leatherworking
Hunter 1.75; 42
Innkeeper 2.50; 60
Jeweler 2.75; 66
Labourer 1.75; 42 General Labor
Lexigrapher 2.75; 66 Makes Paper, Inks, etc
Litigant 3.00; 72 Lawyer
Locksmith 2.50; 60
Longshoreman 1.75; 42
Mason 4.00; 96
Metalsmith 3.00; 72
Miller 3.50; 84
Miner 3.50; 84
Ostler 3.25; 78 Breeding and Care of Horses
Perfumer 2.75; 66
Physician 3.00; 72
Porter 1.75; 42 Transport of Goods
Potter 2.50; 60
Prostitute 1.50; 36
Ratter 2.50; 60
Salter 2.00; 48
Scribe 2.75; 66
Shepherd 1.25; 30
Shipwright 3.75; 90
Swineherd 1.25; 30
Teacher 3.50; 84
Teamster 3.00; 72
Tentmaker 3.00; 72
Thatcher 2.25; 54
Timberwright 3.25; 78
Toymaker 2.00; 48
Trapper 1.50; 36
Weaponcrafter 4.50; 108
Woodcrafter 2.75; 66
Man at Arms 1.25; 30
Scout 1.50; 36

Considering that as we are starting from scratch, we really do not need to take into account centuries of inflation, do we? I will post a possible table of typical costs within a couple of days.

I realize we will be working together as a group and pooling our resources, but it might be better to figure this out now, rather than later. I thought jolo was going to do it, but since I have not seen anything, I have this. Jobs are based upon research on medieval wages, and the coins are from research I did for other RPGs.

(I've gottt to much time on my hands!:p (to quote Styx))

[jolo]

Following is a list of US Silver (Ag) and Gold (Au) Coin Weights:

Weight Number per
Coin Grains; Grams; Ounces; Drams; Ounce; Pound; Kilogram
Ag Dime 38.6; 2.5; 0.0875; 1.41; 11.43; 182.88; 400
Ag Quarter 96.6; 6.26; 0.2191; 3.54; 4.56; 73.03; 159.74
Ag Half Dollar 193; 12.5; 0.4377; 7.07; 2.28; 36.55; 80
Ag Dollar 412.5; 26.73; 0.9355; 15.11; 1.06; 17.1; 37.41

Au 5 Dollar 129; 8.36; 0.2926; 4.72; 3.42; 54.68; 119.62
Au 10 Dollar 258; 16.72; 0.5851; 9.45; 1.71; 27.35; 59.81
Au 20 Dollar 516; 33.44; 1.1703; 18.9; 0.85; 13.67; 29.9


Possible Incomes, Daily Wage and Monthly (24 Work Days)

Job Daily Month (24 Days)
Animal Trainer 3.00; 72
Apothecary 2.50; 60 Druggist
Cartographer 3.50; 84 Mapmaker
Chandler 2.25; 54 Candle Making, Lamps, etc
Charcoaler 2.25; 54
Clothier 2.50; 60
Cook 1.25; 30
Embalmer 2.00; 48
Farmhand 1.25; 30
Fisherman 2.00; 48
Gaoler 1.50; 36
Glassworker 2.75; 66
Herdsman 1.25; 30
Hideworker 2.50; 60 Curing and Leatherworking
Hunter 1.75; 42
Innkeeper 2.50; 60
Jeweler 2.75; 66
Labourer 1.75; 42 General Labor
Lexigrapher 2.75; 66 Makes Paper, Inks, etc
Litigant 3.00; 72 Lawyer
Locksmith 2.50; 60
Longshoreman 1.75; 42
Mason 4.00; 96
Metalsmith 3.00; 72
Miller 3.50; 84
Miner 3.50; 84
Ostler 3.25; 78 Breeding and Care of Horses
Perfumer 2.75; 66
Physician 3.00; 72
Porter 1.75; 42 Transport of Goods
Potter 2.50; 60
Prostitute 1.50; 36
Ratter 2.50; 60
Salter 2.00; 48
Scribe 2.75; 66
Shepherd 1.25; 30
Shipwright 3.75; 90
Swineherd 1.25; 30
Teacher 3.50; 84
Teamster 3.00; 72
Tentmaker 3.00; 72
Thatcher 2.25; 54
Timberwright 3.25; 78
Toymaker 2.00; 48
Trapper 1.50; 36
Weaponcrafter 4.50; 108
Woodcrafter 2.75; 66
Man at Arms 1.25; 30
Scout 1.50; 36

Considering that as we are starting from scratch, we really do not need to take into account centuries of inflation, do we? I will post a possible table of typical costs within a couple of days.

I realize we will be working together as a group and pooling our resources, but it might be better to figure this out now, rather than later. I thought jolo was going to do it, but since I have not seen anything, I have this. Jobs are based upon research on medieval wages, and the coins are from research I did for other RPGs.

(I've gottt to much time on my hands!:p (to quote Styx))

Nice work.

Sorry, I was busy lately. Try to keep up.

I'd prefer we not take so much weight in precious metals. Plastic chips would be safe against counterfeight for a few decades at least, and they'd also last 10 years or so. Enough time to start producing metal coins, paper money, and accounts.

As for the wages - I'd prefer to keep the everyone-gets-the-same approach for the same work hours for now. Later, the market should decide about the wages - if we have too few people in one profession, those who are skilled for the job earn more money, they can concentrate on this job, they can employ helpers to get more done, and those helpers will later fill the gap. If we have too many people in a job, the ones also skilled in other areas can change their profession. All that automatically, with no need to command people around (except making sure that no-one closes his market against competition).

With market wages, the amount of currency would usually not matter - but as people don't like their wages to drop (even if the prices for goods drop at an even faster speed), we need some reserves to increase money supply so that people can usually count on rising wages.

Similar is true for goods - we don't really need any "artificial" price lists, as market prices are much more meaningful for us. They are especially good to concentrate people on what we really need automatically. Admittedly that's difficult for goods which only exist in small numbers. But even there it'll work once the people start calculating how much money they can earn with a tool, a machine, or whatever.

For prices of goods, the market is already there - no need to add any more work except more liberalisation asap.

For wages, I'd propose auctioning off jobs as soon as it gets difficult for the first time to find someone for a job. If for instance, the general wage is 200 Alt per week, no-one likes to care for the latrines for that wage, the job is auctioned off, and all other following jobs, too. Everyone should be free to start a bidding process for any job or the employer once a year, to get market prices everywhere. Similar to what's starting today in internet job auctions.

At the beginning, the community will decide how many people or how much money are assigned where, though people can work on their own if they prefer that. Later, I'd prefer most of this community work to go private.

[Norbert]

Nice work.

Sorry, I was busy lately. Try to keep up.

I'd prefer we not take so much weight in precious metals. Plastic chips would be safe against counterfeight for a few decades at least, and they'd also last 10 years or so. Enough time to start producing metal coins, paper money, and accounts.

As for the wages - I'd prefer to keep the everyone-gets-the-same approach for the same work hours for now. Later, the market should decide about the wages - if we have too few people in one profession, those who are skilled for the job earn more money, they can concentrate on this job, they can employ helpers to get more done, and those helpers will later fill the gap. If we have too many people in a job, the ones also skilled in other areas can change their profession. All that automatically, with no need to command people around (except making sure that no-one closes his market against competition).

With market wages, the amount of currency would usually not matter - but as people don't like their wages to drop (even if the prices for goods drop at an even faster speed), we need some reserves to increase money supply so that people can usually count on rising wages.

Similar is true for goods - we don't really need any "artificial" price lists, as market prices are much more meaningful for us. They are especially good to concentrate people on what we really need automatically. Admittedly that's difficult for goods which only exist in small numbers. But even there it'll work once the people start calculating how much money they can earn with a tool, a machine, or whatever.

For prices of goods, the market is already there - no need to add any more work except more liberalisation asap.

For wages, I'd propose auctioning off jobs as soon as it gets difficult for the first time to find someone for a job. If for instance, the general wage is 200 Alt per week, no-one likes to care for the latrines for that wage, the job is auctioned off, and all other following jobs, too. Everyone should be free to start a bidding process for any job or the employer once a year, to get market prices everywhere. Similar to what's starting today in internet job auctions.

At the beginning, the community will decide how many people or how much money are assigned where, though people can work on their own if they prefer that. Later, I'd prefer most of this community work to go private.

True, I do not disagree with your statements, but there will probably come a time when the game will accelerate in the number of game days to a real day. I agree that wages at first should be equal for everyone, everyone has an equal oppurtunity without being limited to poor 'down-time' skills.

As to a price list, I thought of using it as a relative scale, since it certainly does not cover modern items. But the relative cost of a pig compared to a chicken or a blanket would be useful. I do not want to see it 'set-in-stone', it should be flexible, reflecting current conditions. A pound of flour is worth less in a high yield harvest than it is during a poor harvest.

As to the coin weights, 50 lbs gets about 506 dimes, 500 quarters, 300 half-dollars, 200 silver dollars, 550 five dollar, 175 ten dollar, and 55 twenty dollar coins, at a loss of about 0.076 ounces. Value $6,125.60; minor weight to the yield. 2.5% of One ton.

[jolo]

True, I do not disagree with your statements, but there will probably come a time when the game will accelerate in the number of game days to a real day. I agree that wages at first should be equal for everyone, everyone has an equal oppurtunity without being limited to poor 'down-time' skills.

As to a price list, I thought of using it as a relative scale, since it certainly does not cover modern items. But the relative cost of a pig compared to a chicken or a blanket would be useful. I do not want to see it 'set-in-stone', it should be flexible, reflecting current conditions. A pound of flour is worth less in a high yield harvest than it is during a poor harvest.

As to the coin weights, 50 lbs gets about 506 dimes, 500 quarters, 300 half-dollars, 200 silver dollars, 550 five dollar, 175 ten dollar, and 55 twenty dollar coins, at a loss of about 0.076 ounces. Value $6,125.60; minor weight to the yield. 2.5% of One ton.

We can use any price list and do as if they were market prices - for some people, that might be useful to determine the consequences of their actions.

I suppose we should calculate to have about 10.000 Alts (or Dollars) per person available. In the beginning, only a few hundred Alts will be needed per person, as money will mostly be spent at the community market from where it can directly go back into wages. Later, money flow will be more complex and wages will increase. There might also be some trade with Amerindians. We need only the money in circulation - money on bank accounts can stay virtual until we are able to produce money ourselves.

[Ward]

Idon't know about you But if you try and give me a plastic coin I will laught in your face and find some one who has something that is real .
Wit a siver coin I could make it into a ring at less .

[Norbert]

Origanally Posted:
1 Acre Planting
Oats 100.00
Wheat 200.00
Barley 160.00
Rye 180.00


Corrected:
1 Acre Planting
Oats 75 lb
Winter Wheat 120-140 lb
Spring Wheat 120-160 lb
Winter Rye 90 lb
Vetch 50-70 lb
Alfalfa 15-20 lb

Ryegrass for Grazing? 40 lb/acre

Strawberries about 1/2 Ounce/acre (29,000 seeds)

[jolo]

Idon't know about you But if you try and give me a plastic coin I will laught in your face and find some one who has something that is real .
Wit a siver coin I could make it into a ring at less .

I used plastic coins (with silver and gold printing) in places I cannot tell you I've been there... And they were worth a lot (at least at the entrance...) :D

[jolo]

For a more serious answer: Think of the coins as round paper money until we can produce coins ourselves.

[Glen]

Plastic is worth more than gold at this time, since it will be rarer for a while until we can start production.

[Norbert]

Pectin Production:

Apples, plums and oranges contain much pectin, and pectin is sometimes found in yogurt, while soft fruits like cherries and strawberries contain little pectin. For commercial utilisation, pectin is extracted from shredded fruit peel or pulp by adding hot water. The pectin dissolves into the hot water, and may then be precipitated as a gel by adding ethanol.

Pectin is used in making those common uptime items called Jams and Jellies.

[Norbert]

Ok, we're nuts. But we forsee a lot of tomatos in the future. So, for you pasta lovers:


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[Norbert]

I found this site, and stayed up 4 extra hours exploring it. They have everything for alternative power sources: Hydro; Solar; Wind; Appliances; Lighting; Storage Batteries

http://www.absak.com/

[Norbert]

For those thinking of using Nails:


http://www.sizes.com/tools/nails.htm

Cloth, Cotton: (The Higher the Number(#), the Lighter Weight)
#4 (Heavy Cloth Seabags) 100 yd x 66" 281.25 lb
#8 (Cloth Clothes Bags/Jeans) 100 yd x 66" 206.25 lb
#10 (Cloth Shower Curtains) 100 yd x 66" 168.75 lb
#12 (7 oz per 36"x22") 100 yd x 66" 131.25 lb
#14 (5 oz per 36"x22") 100 yd x 66" 93.75 lb

[Norbert]

I am working on something to give reference to this posted link. It is a Watershed map of Berkeley area, but it shows most of the watercourses as they were in 1850, before the main settlement of the area. Ignore the overshade of the city, and a fair view of the area is there. I am thinking our best settlement area are (from North to South): Codornices Creek, Schoolhouse Creek, Strawberry Creek, Potter Creek, Derby Creek, and one or two more I have to relate the postition of. Refer to the Legend for more explanation of what it shows. I am thinking that if this keeps going as it is, I may think of ordering a copy for my own reference, though Ward says not to. I am hoping I can special order it from one of my local stores to save shipping, though they may not be able to get it.


http://www.museumca.org/creeks/oakmap.html

[Norbert]

For those thinking of using Nails:

1 Keg of 60d Nails (6" long) (800 nails)
1 Keg of 10d Nails (3" long) (4100 nails)
1 Keg of 8d Copper Shingling Nails (2-1/2" long) (6100 nails)

1 Keg weighs 100 lbs, and the Nail kegs may be able to be used for other purposes.


It is recommended that a nail be 3x the thickness of what it is fastening.

[Norbert]

Changes:

Bergey XL 1-24 Wind Generator 105.00
Rutland Furlmatic 1803: 122.00 reason: Lower start-up speed.

20x 6 volt 100 amphour Lead Acid Batteries 1400.00
Vision CL 1500AH SLA x10 220 lbs 2200 reason: higher storage capacity by weight. 12 volt Sealed Lead Acid Batteries.

12 GA (240 rd) All Brass 33
.357M (1000 rd) 40
.30-06 (500 rd) 33
.22LR (5000 rd) 44

12 GA All Brass (240 rd) 24 lb
.357Magnum (1000 rd) 32.4 lb
.30-06 (500 rd) 29 lb
.22 LR (5000 rd) 40 lb
.45ACP (500 rd) 24.7 lb

Reason: Actual listed manufacturer weights.

[sbegin]

I've found this site to be an excellent reference on breeds of livestock:

http://www.ansi.okstate.edu/breeds/other/

[Norbert]

Section 261A--Central California Coast
Geomorphology. This area includes parallel ranges and valleys on folded, faulted and metamorphosed strata; there are rounded crests of subequal height. This Section is in the Coast Ranges geomorphic province. Elevation ranges from sea level to 2,400 ft (0 to 730 m).
Lithology and Stratigraphy. Types include Cenozoic marine and nonmarine sedimentary rocks and alluvial deposits, and Mesozoic granitic and ultramafic rocks.

Soil Taxa. Dominant soils are Alfisols, Entisols, Histisols, Inceptisols, Mollisols, Ultisols, and Vertisols, in combination with isomesic, mesic, or thermic soil temperature regimes and xeric or udic soil moisture regimes.

Potential Natural Vegetation. K\"uchler mapped vegetation as mixed hardwood forest, coastal prairie-scrub, coastal sagebrush, mixed hardwood and redwood forest, redwood forest, and southern oak forest. Predominant potential nautral communities are Coastal Sage (Lucian), Coast Live Oak, Coastal Perennial Grassland and Redwood (northern part) series.

Fauna. This Section includes a variety of coastal, marsh, estuary, wetland, riparian, grassland, shrubland, oak savanna, and broadleaf and conifer forest communities. Mammals include mule deer, bobcat, weasel, fox, skunk, opossum and ground squirrel. Turkey vultures, hawks, owls, herons, egrets, flycatchers, swallows, and ravens are common birds. Birds of concern include the brown pelican, lesser tern, osprey, black rail, clapper rail, marbled murrelet, spotted owl, and bank swallow. Reptiles and amphibians include the western rattlesnake, common and western aquatic garter snakes, northern and southern alligator lizards, and several species of salamanders and frogs. Marine and shore species include sea otter, sea lions, seals, brown pelicans, gulls, cormorants, terns, and various shore birds. Introduced species include small populations of fallow deer and barbary sheep. Feral hogs are common throughout large portions of the Section.

Climate. Precipitation ranges from 14 to 50 in (350 to 1,270 mm). Temperature averages 50 to 63 oF (10 to 17 oC). Summer daytime temperatures often are modified by morning fog and sea breezes. The growing season lasts 200 to 330 days.

Surface Water Characteristics. Several slow moving, tide-affected major rivers in alluvial channels terminate in San Francisco and Monterey Bays. Much of the saltwater marshes on the north and south ends of San Francisco Bay are converted to salt evaporation ponds. A few slow moving perennial streams in alluvial or weak bedrock channels flowing directly to the Pacific Ocean occur in the northern part of the area. Some fast moving perennial streams in weak bedrock channels flowing directly to the Pacific Ocean occur in the southern part of the area. Reservoirs for municipal water supply are common in the northern part of the Section.

Disturbance Regimes. Fires are of variable frequency, season, and intensity. This is a seismically active area with strong shaking and ground rupture.

Land Use. Composition and successional sequence of some plant communities (especially grassland communities) has changed because of plant and animal species introduced between the late 1700's and early 1900's. These changes related to grazing, agriculture, forestry, and urbanization. The northern part is densely urbanized.

Cultural Ecology. Humans have been utilizing the Section for about 8,000 years, and have been an integral part of central coast ecology for about 2,000 years, thriving on the diversity of habitats from ocean and estuary to forest, and intensively gathering numerous resources. The Spanish established missions throughout the area in the late 1700's and early 1800's, introducing agriculture and religious and social changes. Contemporary attitudes and beliefs are varied, often considered liberal or unconventional, particularly in the San Francisco Bay area. The economy is diverse, ranging from San Francisco Bay area financial and computer industries to rural agricultural and fishing industries; shipping, tourism and recreation are important industries.

Compiled by Pacific Southwest Region.