ALT if the ASB let you take another ton of equpment

[Ward]

so if The ASB relized the shorted us by a ton a member of Ideams what else would you take. And it arrived on Day 30 were you are going to live .

Think hard on this because this is the last time the ASB are going to let us have anything we want .

[Ghost 88]

so if The ASB relized the shorted us by a ton a member of Ideams what else would you take. And it arrived on Day 30 were you are going to live .

Think hard on this because this is the last time the ASB are going to let us have anything we want .
I'll ask for a food replicator and Ward you can pick the other 1750 pounds as you see fit. Other wise we still seriously screwed

[Ward]

I'll ask for a food replicator and Ward you can pick the other 1750 pounds as you see fit. Other wise we still seriously screwed


so sorry they would not give you one . And here is some prepration H because yes we are . If people dont take the right stuff.

[pisces74]

I'm kind of against this as it would cheapen the experience, IMO the ASBs gave us just enough weight to keep us bound to the original LZ and not enough to survive. I call it "enough rope to hang ourselves with." having another supply drop would make us to dependant on ASBs. We just need to get the lead out and make for the coast.

[Ward]

I would agree with you but how are you on food and transport ,
How much seed did you bring , and how about tools to work the land.

Rember this would be the last drop they would ever do .

As it is now my family will be carring about 100 lbs per person on them and the wagon we have is going to be full . But I have know way of moving the wagon . Besides the men and women pulling it .

[Norbert]

As much as I would like to be able to get some more things that I think would/could be essential, I agree with Pisces (sorry about the masacre of your name!:o ). And, I almost hate to suggest another poll, but maybe that is what is needed. I like his analogy of giving us enough rope to hang ourselves with, though. So, did the ASBs stick us in 3000 BCE to get us from bothering them about their moving countries around for our entertainment?:D

[pisces74]

I intentionally went light to not be hampered by weight and to hit the ground running, since I gave your clan my coffee beans I'm that much lighter. Jens infirmity is the only thing keeping me from lighting out. I figure If I encumbered myself,Jen, (when healthy) and hook the dogs up to a sled I could light out in one trip and make the coast in approx three days to a week depending on weather. Theres plenty of food around, we just need to bite the bulet and get gone, and miss a few meals, and bust ass to forage and hunt, before planting.

[Gerard-ABC]

Ok then...... I'll fill up any spare weight with food / seeds, plus...

saws & large axes & sharpening stones for them / maintenance
extra power packs / chargers / mini-hydroelectric generators for jigsaw / drills ( 2 more of each power tool )
more screws / bolts / nails / tape measures
safety helmets & lights / batteries / chargers
millstones for grinding flour
100 lb salt for preserving food
surveying equipment / paper for drawing maps on
lightweight plastic storage containers, suitable for food
more spare jigsaw blades / drill bits
100 spools of nylon fishing line / tins of hooks
3 x fishing nets 10 ft x 40 ft lightweight plastic
30-06 and .45 ammunition
playing cards / book of games / dice

I'll probably add more later on.


Regards,
Gerard

[jolo]

I'd take...

- different suitable fruit trees old enough to already carry fruits, young enough to get lots of them in 150 kg.

- lots of concentrated dry food, 100 kg - should be enough for a long time and quite a few people.

- a 2-wheeled tractor for plowing and pulling, able to run on plant oil, with trailer parts to turn it into a truck, replacement parts, and a second plow suitable for digging ditches - 250 kg.

- 150 kg of oil for the tractor

- a press to produce oil from suitable plants, 30 kg

- a large bench saw with a feeder for trees, and a few replacement saws - 100 kg

- some more goods for bartering with Amerindians - 10 kg

- a few more long distance walkie-talkies and suitable rechargable batteries - 10 kg.

- a high temperature oven suitable for melting most metals and glass, with a few crucibles for the different materials and processes - 200kg.

[Ghost 88]

I'd take...

- different suitable fruit trees old enough to already carry fruits, young enough to get lots of them in 150 kg.

- lots of concentrated dry food, 100 kg - should be enough for a long time and quite a few people.

- a 2-wheeled tractor for plowing and pulling, able to run on plant oil, with trailer parts to turn it into a truck, replacement parts, and a second plow suitable for digging ditches - 250 kg.

- 150 kg of oil for the tractor

- a press to produce oil from suitable plants, 30 kg

- a large bench saw with a feeder for trees, and a few replacement saws - 100 kg

- some more goods for bartering with Amerindians - 10 kg

- a few more long distance walkie-talkies and suitable rechargable batteries - 10 kg.

- a high temperature oven suitable for melting most metals and glass, with a few crucibles for the different materials and processes - 200kg.
I give up.

[Norbert]

I'd take...

- different suitable fruit trees old enough to already carry fruits, young enough to get lots of them in 150 kg.

I hate to say it, but I worked at a farm for a while that grew crabapples for nureseries. A crab apple tree, with ball, would take your full 150 kg, and maybe a bit more. If you were to take trees without a ball (ie, the dirt around the roots), you run the risk of it dieing after planting. We figured 1 in 5 trees with a ball would die after planting. Without the ball, you might get 1 in 5 that survive, if you take trees big enough to start bearing, and they will not produce fruit for 2 years if you are lucky. I would say your best bet, though much more long term, would be to take whips (saplings about 3 to 4 feet long) and plant them. You could probably get 3 to4 hundred in your 150kg. They would start producing in 4-5 years, but you would probably have 85-95% survival of trees. Spring is also not the best time to plant them, but it is not as bad as planting them in summer (fall is the best time to plant a tree).

[Ward]

I give up.


Do go you and I plus Norbert know that what he ask for is not the best iteams . But I can see that at less he did think about some ideams even if he is thinking as a 21centry person . With 5 acres to guarden , And I don't think he has ever seen how large a fruit tree is to be to start producing .

Plus were he is going to get the power . to run some of his equpment .

[Norbert]

I will say that replying to Jolo about the trees did jog my mind, a bit. I don't want to be a lumberjack forever!:D . I wouldn't mind the orchard business again, even if it is a few years down the road. Or vineyards, or olives (neat thought that).

[Ward]

Well myself I would bring these iteams

1 grinding stone 60 lbs .
300 lbs of that high protein Jello they give soft food people in the Hospitol
100 lbs in Small fruit trees saplings
235 lbs for that kitchen stove that uses wood .
and the rest in seeds or 1305 lbs

[jolo]

I hate to say it, but I worked at a farm for a while that grew crabapples for nureseries. A crab apple tree, with ball, would take your full 150 kg, and maybe a bit more. If you were to take trees without a ball (ie, the dirt around the roots), you run the risk of it dieing after planting. We figured 1 in 5 trees with a ball would die after planting. Without the ball, you might get 1 in 5 that survive, if you take trees big enough to start bearing, and they will not produce fruit for 2 years if you are lucky. I would say your best bet, though much more long term, would be to take whips (saplings about 3 to 4 feet long) and plant them. You could probably get 3 to4 hundred in your 150kg. They would start producing in 4-5 years, but you would probably have 85-95% survival of trees. Spring is also not the best time to plant them, but it is not as bad as planting them in summer (fall is the best time to plant a tree).

In a garden I once called my own there were a few trees not much bigger than whips, but already with fruits. I don't remember what kind of fruit it was, though. I'll take a few of them and the rest as whips then. My wife is good with plants - she'll be able to nourish a lot of them to life even if they come without balls.

[jolo]

Do go you and I plus Norbert know that what he ask for is not the best iteams . But I can see that at less he did think about some ideams even if he is thinking as a 21centry person . With 5 acres to guarden , And I don't think he has ever seen how large a fruit tree is to be to start producing .

Plus were he is going to get the power . to run some of his equpment .

I got a hydroelectric generator to install at a dam I'll have to build. The solar cells I brought along are sufficient for the other saw. If electricity should fail before our tech is far enough to produce replacements, it should be possible to run the blade with some of the engines from broken chain saws or the likes.

[Glen]

Maybe paper, ink, ink pens (fountain type, so we can eventually use homemade ink), and a mimeograph machine.

Communications and record keeping are going to be difficult until we have our own paper production and printing presses....

[Matt]

More seeds and tools. Load bearing equipment for my Rangers, ammo and spare parts for rifles.

[Grimm Reaper]

Seeds and books, especially books on colonial times with clear pictures of how they actually did things.

I already mentioned seedlings but only gave coffee as a specific. Anyone want to volunteer other plants? Remember, even if we only bring trees a year or two old, that still saves us a year or two!

One boat for fishing, as light as possible while still carrying 3-4 people and useful cargo(fish). Also as much in the way of nets, hooks, etc and any books I can find on how to build fishing craft and a fishing industry.

Salt cod, anyone?

[jolo]

I'll spare the trailer parts of my tractor and add 50 kg of seeds instead.

[Forum Lurker]

I'd go for a wagon suitable to be converted in a boat (as per the prairie schooner), with some heavy-duty nets, then the rest being yet more food and seed potatoes.

[Othniel]

I'm going to assume it is delived in a wagon, with a 5 ton split between five couples. The ton my couple will carry will be that I just listed in the orginal thread.:p

[Dave Howery]

quick question... do you think the odds of our surviving and thriving are just too long if we don't get the extra goods? Or can we get by without it?..

[Othniel]

quick question... do you think the odds of our surviving and thriving are just too long if we don't get the extra goods? Or can we get by without it?..We don't need it, but without we are hanging by a thread. 85% prehaps.

[Ward]

quick question... do you think the odds of our surviving and thriving are just too long if we don't get the extra goods? Or can we get by without it?..


If we don't get it I would say we might have a 40% chance to make it as a group. Plus we would lose a lot of the kids .

[Soyuz]

I'll take a wagon, to answer the original question. The rest of the weight I will make up with various bills and coins or even gold bars. Since apparently Jolo is starting a market economy, I'd like to be there to cash in, and live the easy life. I, of course, will not revealt that I have so much all at once, but will safely and surely withdraw it a week at a time from sealed steel indestructible safes. And even if Jolo decides to leave a distinct signature on them, it's not going to be too hard to forge it. Maybe some kind of a small printing press for that. Most likely it will be hand drawn, and there will be enough room for variation. If it's printed, the easier for me.

Because that's what I think this game is coming down to :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[jolo]

I'll take a wagon, to answer the original question. The rest of the weight I will make up with various bills and coins or even gold bars. Since apparently Jolo is starting a market economy, I'd like to be there to cash in, and live the easy life. I, of course, will not revealt that I have so much all at once, but will safely and surely withdraw it a week at a time from sealed steel indestructible safes. And even if Jolo decides to leave a distinct signature on them, it's not going to be too hard to forge it. Maybe some kind of a small printing press for that. Most likely it will be hand drawn, and there will be enough room for variation. If it's printed, the easier for me.

Because that's what I think this game is coming down to :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Let's see if the ASB's let you do this - and if so, whether we catch you sooner or later. I'd like to see you in shackles in a mine... :p

[Soyuz]

Let's see if the ASB's let you do this - and if so, whether we catch you sooner or later. I'd like to see you in shackles in a mine... :p
Hm... myself as a mafia boss? Nah... don't have the character for it. May be someone else would pick up on that though. :D

And my main point is - this second ton is a really cheap coop-out. I personally disagree.

[Psychomeltdown]

I am in the camp of

NO SECOND DROP OFF.

Mainly as Soyuz said, it's a cop out.

We survive or we don't. We get by the skin of our teeth or we don't. We make enemies and get slaughtered or we don't.

We've got our supplies, we've got the population, and now we've got to get on with it.

[jolo]

Hm... myself as a mafia boss? Nah... don't have the character for it. May be someone else would pick up on that though. :D

And my main point is - this second ton is a really cheap coop-out. I personally disagree.

Same here - takes a lot of the challenge - but I'd like the tractor...

[Matt]

I don't think it's a coop out. I think we rushed into the game without fully exploring everything. Between the time the idea posted, and the game started was a single weekend. I was at drill and thus had limited input on such things. I would have suggested a pioneer wagon then.

[Ward]

I don't think it's a coop out. I think we rushed into the game without fully exploring everything. Between the time the idea posted, and the game started was a single weekend. I was at drill and thus had limited input on such things. I would have suggested a pioneer wagon then.


I have to agree with you . We realy need at less a ton of exrea equpment for each family .I know that I'm light on food and clothing .

It could come as a gift for passing the test of making it though the first mounth . Also how many of you have things you realy want to surrvive in the world for the next 100 years .

I can think of hundreds of Iteams I could use and want .

Plus we could use more seeds of main food crops like beens and peas .
1 would like to see if every member got a ton we all should ask for 100 lbs of seeds . And at less the same amount of food .

[jolo]

I don't think it's a coop out. I think we rushed into the game without fully exploring everything. Between the time the idea posted, and the game started was a single weekend. I was at drill and thus had limited input on such things. I would have suggested a pioneer wagon then.

If the original premise - a few hours time to decide on goods - was kept, we'd be in an even worse situation. And I really wouldn't expect Space Bats who kidnap us in time and space to suddenly care for our supplies.

But otherwise, I'm neutral. I'd really like some more stuff.

If we do it, I might also take the opportunity to get some more bills, small minting plates to turn coins into alts, some oil for greasing things, some more medicine, some lightweight horseshoes, and a few different kinds of useful metals - in turn for the according weight of gasoil and replacement parts for the tractor.

[pisces74]

Let's see if the ASB's let you do this - and if so, whether we catch you sooner or later. I'd like to see you in shackles in a mine... :p

Let me catch you doing this and you'll be doing the hangmans jig.

[pisces74]

I am in the camp of

NO SECOND DROP OFF.

Mainly as Soyuz said, it's a cop out.

We survive or we don't. We get by the skin of our teeth or we don't. We make enemies and get slaughtered or we don't.

We've got our supplies, we've got the population, and now we've got to get on with it.

Thats three, Can we get a poll on this?

[SionEwig]

Yes Glen or Ward,

We need to go on and have a poll on this.

[SionEwig]

I don't think it's a coop out. I think we rushed into the game without fully exploring everything. Between the time the idea posted, and the game started was a single weekend. I was at drill and thus had limited input on such things. I would have suggested a pioneer wagon then.

While i still have not made up my mind on this issue, I will agree with Matt that it is not a cop out and we did rush into starting the game.

There were actually several comments and requests early on about the need for more weight to be allowed, especially when it was pointed out how much food for a short amount of time actually weighed. I seem to remember amounts anywhere from 1000 lbs per person to each family getting 24,000 lbs (12 tons). Also there was commentary on each family group getting a wagon and team to pull it. I really think that these comments early on in the formation of the game were lost in the rush.

[Matt]

Poll posted.

[Ward]

Well we both posted one about the same time Matt .