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July 16th, 2012, 02:20 PM
Could the Nazis have done better at Kursk but the West have pulled of a D-Day in 1943?
As I understand it Nazi forces in gthe West were weaker than otl 1944
I guess it requries a brain transplant or dead Hitler to get the armies reteating intact from the Caucuses.
In such a scenario could the Cold War be aviuded,
Stalin would simply not have troops in Poland and Eastern Europe. (other than as part of a joint occupation of Germany fi that were agreed.
July 16th, 2012, 02:22 PM
I think 'unconditional surrender' was already decided for Germany at this point, so all we'll see is more dead allied soldiers (and probably more dead Germans too). Oh, and a failed D-Day just pushes the Iron Curtain westward.
July 16th, 2012, 03:45 PM
At Kursk? No. There was no good option for the Nazis there, only bad and worse. The Nazis did not benefit from giving the USSR months to prepare elaborate defenses and chew up their power to sustain even a large-scale tactical offensive, and in 1943 IOTL they did manage to inflict high losses and limit Soviet gains throughout this year, across the Front, and it accomplished rather little good for them. In 1943 the Allies have no landing equipment, no cadre of trained leaders experienced in opposed amphibious landings on anything approaching that scale, and a plan of operations that's horrifically naive.
The only result of this failure is that the Soviets get further into Europe before the Allies return ITTL. Their own losses and reliance on Lend-Lease means that further won't mean anywhere near even the Scheldt, much less the Pyrenees the way some say.
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