ALT Proposed Council Composition

[Glen]

The following are proposed seats to comprise a Council of Ministers for the first year of the community. Please vote for each one that you think should be part of the council.

If I left out something important, please let me know.

I didn't include a judiciary, as that should be independent of the executive.

I'm going to assume that we agree that there needs to be a post for health/medicine and defense (ran out of room for poll options).

[pisces74]

As dumb as this is going to sound, I'd like a person or people whos sole responsibility is entertainment of the colony, regardess of it being thru recreational hunting, educational self defense, or having periodical hoedowns.

[Ward]

if need be this will come under Aguclture for you need entertment when you work as hard as a farmer .

[Forum Lurker]

I think it's really up to us. Once we've settled down and are no longer pulling 18-hour days, entertainment will spring up with a vengeance.

[Psychomeltdown]

Though I think the only main things that should stay in the Council's hands are:

Foreign Relations
Treasury
Law Enforcement

but that's for later.


For now, we'll be needing the council's direction for pretty much everything, since most of us don't know what we're doing...

[Glen]

As dumb as this is going to sound, I'd like a person or people whos sole responsibility is entertainment of the colony, regardess of it being thru recreational hunting, educational self defense, or having periodical hoedowns.

I think this doesn't need to be voted in. Someone should take it upon themselves to do...such as you, Pisces...:rolleyes:

[Glen]

I would REALLY encourage people to vote for a law enforcement seat on the council. This really should be kept as a separate office from defense (ie military).

[Norbert]

I would REALLY encourage people to vote for a law enforcement seat on the council. This really should be kept as a separate office from defense (ie military).

I agree wholheartedly.

[Glen]

Also folks, we really do need a Treasury department to help with the bean counting, getting some form of money established, etc. I was also going to suggest the census and inventory be done under their auspices.

[Othniel]

Also folks, we really do need a Treasury department to help with the bean counting, getting some form of money established, etc. I was also going to suggest the census and inventory be done under their auspices.Just assign those powers to the whole group. Appoint a Sheriff sperate from the millitia and rangers (both millitary groups.) have the powers of treasury under the whle council, while letting a accountant hold the acualt postion.The council should have less than 9 members.

[Glen]

Just assign those powers to the whole group.

Yeah, but you are also assigning those responsibilities as well, and there is a lot of work that needs doing.

Appoint a Sheriff sperate from the millitia and rangers (both millitary groups.)

Oh, we'll do that, but I think that the Sheriff (or maybe the DA?) needs a vote in the council, as there are going to be a lot of allocation of resource issues and needed rules that will directly impact that area of responsibility.

have the powers of treasury under the whole council, while letting a accountant hold the actual position.

Again, I'd kind of like someone to have independent authority to do most of this stuff. The way I envision it, this job is going to require a lot of the keeping track of our resources and helping us establish relative values of exchange. It's a huge job, one that needs input into the council, and that the other councillors simply don't have the time or expertise to address properly.

If necessary, we will of course appoint someone to this role.

The council should have less than 9 members.

I don't know if the council needs be limited to less than 9. I can run a meeting pretty well with 12 even. I wouldn't like to go past, say, 15, as you start to have more groups forming than individual voices at that point, I think.

[Othniel]

Yeah, but you are also assigning those responsibilities as well, and there is a lot of work that needs doing.
Most of us will be gathering food anyway, I just think there are certain jobs which will be more part time than others. Those that represent the most amount of people should be on the council though.


Oh, we'll do that, but I think that the Sheriff (or maybe the DA?) needs a vote in the council, as there are going to be a lot of allocation of resource issues and needed rules that will directly impact that area of responsibility. But we already put that nder the judicary system, which is to be kept sperate of the council. I really dislike the idea of the law and order people leaking into the excutive, when they are clearly a judicial tool.


Again, I'd kind of like someone to have independent authority to do most of this stuff. The way I envision it, this job is going to require a lot of the keeping track of our resources and helping us establish relative values of exchange. It's a huge job, one that needs input into the council, and that the other councillors simply don't have the time or expertise to address properly.

If necessary, we will of course appoint someone to this role.

That is a power that should be distributed to the council as a whole. Their voting power would be over-represented.

[qoute]
I don't know if the council needs be limited to less than 9. I can run a meeting pretty well with 12 even. I wouldn't like to go past, say, 15, as you start to have more groups forming than individual voices at that point, I think.[/QUOTE]
Personally I want to keep it the size of a small city council to invite a greater vioce. Most city councils are between 5 and 9.

[Glen]

Most of us will be gathering food anyway, I just think there are certain jobs which will be more part time than others. Those that represent the most amount of people should be on the council though.

Good point.

But we already put that nder the judicary system, which is to be kept sperate of the council. I really dislike the idea of the law and order people leaking into the excutive, when they are clearly a judicial tool.

Presiding over cases, issuing warrants, are under the judiciary. However, providing the resources and manpower to enforce the law will have to come from the executive council, and thus will need some representation therein.

You are suggesting having the judges also organize the police? I've never seen that done before, and am not certain how well it will work. I'd be willing to have the judges oversee the prosecutors and defenders, though.


That is a power that should be distributed to the council as a whole. Their voting power would be over-represented.


Ah, I see. You are thinking of having the dual purpose of representing major portions of the population by occupation as well as having the expertise we need to make decisions. It's not a bad idea. Its not a bad idea, but I would still rather have the person responsible for helping to organize our economy (such as it is) and keep track of our resources have a significant voice in the deliberations of the council. We need someone like that to keep the books balanced and the council realistic.


Personally I want to keep it the size of a small city council to invite a greater vioce. Most city councils are between 5 and 9.

Fair enough, but remember that this coucil has to deal with a lot more than a regular council. Its more like a cabinet, really, with the heads of all the major departments of government being represented. And we have a lot more to deal with than most small cities. Nine would probably be a minimum of the members we need.

[Othniel]

Ah, I see. You are thinking of having the dual purpose of representing major portions of the population by occupation as well as having the expertise we need to make decisions. It's not a bad idea. Its not a bad idea, but I would still rather have the person responsible for helping to organize our economy (such as it is) and keep track of our resources have a significant voice in the deliberations of the council. We need someone like that to keep the books balanced and the council realistic.
Finally got my point of view Glen.:D People represented through occupation. You finally got it.

[Glen]

Finally got my point of view Glen.:D People represented through occupation. You finally got it.

Of course, the downside to your proposal is that essentially you are having people being represented by their bosses, rather than their peers, in a way.

Hey Bulg, looks like you got your oligarchy after all!;)

That's okay, but we also need some areas represented for their importance to our community's survival, not just how many people are employed in that area.

Well, at least for the first year...

[Othniel]

Of course, the downside to your proposal is that essentially you are having people being represented by their bosses, rather than their peers, in a way.
I'm looking to phase that out, as it is bosses that usually get elected anyhow, unless you are a socialist. Estenially we'll need someone to represent the conditions of the labours and the powers bosses have out in the field. Remeber unless we are being paid for labour or the bosses have real power, theyaren't our boss at all.

Can I get docked food for not cutting lumber fast enoug? Can i get whipped or imprisioned? These are questions that will need to be anwsered.

Hey Bulg, looks like you got your oligarchy after all!;)

That's okay, but we also need some areas represented for their importance to our community's survival, not just how many people are employed in that area.

Well, at least for the first year...
After the first year, and we are establized a lot of things will start to change, though I think it won't be till 3 or 4 years out that we can acaultly start to see those changes take effect.

[Glen]

I'm looking to phase that out, as it is bosses that usually get elected anyhow, unless you are a socialist.

Who are you kidding? It's then still bosses...just Union Bosses...

Estenially we'll need someone to represent the conditions of the labourers and the powers bosses have out in the field. Remeber unless we are being paid for labour or the bosses have real power, they aren't our boss at all.

Basically, you will be getting paid in credit, which will go towards your food allotment from community stores plus a little extra for when we can afford other things.


Can I get docked food for not cutting lumber fast enough?

Interesting question. What would you suggest, Oth?

Can i get whipped or imprisioned?

Absolutely not! Corporeal punishment if at all should be saved for serious offenses, not someone's subjective judgement of work performance. Same thing for imprisonment. We are a community of free women and men, not slaves to be misused by overseers.

These are questions that will need to be anwsered.

Well, there's your start of an answer.

After the first year, and we are establized a lot of things will start to change, though I think it won't be till 3 or 4 years out that we can acaultly start to see those changes take effect.

Possibly. We'll reassess in a year to see.

[Glen]

bump bump bump

[Glen]

I'm head of Health and Medicine...

Ward is Agriculture?
WeaponM is Defense?
Doctor What is Foreign Relations?

We need to wait for the rest of the poll to finish, but these seem likely...

[Othniel]

So what are we considering the cut off for if it is a council seat or not?

[Glen]

So what are we considering the cut off for if it is a council seat or not?

I probably posted precipitously about Agriculture...

But we need to have a 50% at least for a seat to be formed. The largest poll response we've had thus far was 33, so 17 should be enough to guarantee the seat's existence even before the poll closes. We already stated that Health and Defense will exist. And if none of the food production seats get 50%, I will ask for a single seat to be formed to govern that, as I think it vital.

[Othniel]

I probably posted precipitously about Agriculture...

But we need to have a 50% at least for a seat to be formed. The largest poll response we've had thus far was 33, so 17 should be enough to guarantee the seat's existence even before the poll closes. We already stated that Health and Defense will exist. And if none of the food production seats get 50%, I will ask for a single seat to be formed to govern that, as I think it vital.
Right now I'm considering anything above 10 votes will make it...though that is just me.

[Ward]

I think it's really up to us. Once we've settled down and are no longer pulling 18-hour days, entertainment will spring up with a vengeance.


Sorry 18 hr days will kill us just as fast as running out of food will . Let us keep work no more than 12 hrs a day on most days.

[Othniel]

Sorry 18 hr days will kill us just as fast as running out of food will . Let us keep work no more than 12 hrs a day on most days.
14 hour days acualtly is what we've been working at. Should drop to ten after the main settlement goes up and is running.

[Norbert]

From what you are saying, ten votes warents a seat. This I have no problem with. Though possibly the Lumbering (11 votes) could be combined with Mining (7 votes) into a Material Resources? Having a sub-committee with all the areas covered by the seat represented, we would be able to get both areas represented, at least at first. Mining, while not pressing now because of the lack of people who can devote themselves to it until we have an adequete food supply, will become important later on when we need to start producing items not made of wood. I would suggest it cover Lumber, Mining and Quarries.

[SionEwig]

From what you are saying, ten votes warents a seat. This I have no problem with. Though possibly the Lumbering (11 votes) could be combined with Mining (7 votes) into a Material Resources? Having a sub-committee with all the areas covered by the seat represented, we would be able to get both areas represented, at least at first. Mining, while not pressing now because of the lack of people who can devote themselves to it until we have an adequete food supply, will become important later on when we need to start producing items not made of wood. I would suggest it cover Lumber, Mining and Quarries.

Heck no, leave Mining out of it completely.

[jolo]

We definitely need a safety inspector or the likes. The person will have to travel a lot - which means, it must be a rider. The person would check all trades.

[Norbert]

Heck no, leave Mining out of it completely.

Are you saying you don't want the eventual job?

To bad I couldn't bring my old roommate. Graduate of the Colorado School of Mines and was an Engineering Officer until the cutbacks of the 80s, after which he went back into mining. Real cheesy mustache, too.

[SionEwig]

Are you saying you don't want the eventual job?

To bad I couldn't bring my old roommate. Graduate of the Colorado School of Mines and was an Engineering Officer until the cutbacks of the 80s, after which he went back into mining. Real cheesy mustache, too.

Yes, that is what I am saying! That was my Alma Mater (well for my Masters). What we could really use is someone with experience in the petroleum industry. We've got the stuff around us, but that is so much not my area.

[Glen]

We can look for oil sumps(term), places where oil seeps up to the surface. After that, the concept is similar to pumping water, IIRC, at least, for the easy to reach deposits...which is all we'll be likely to tackle in the foreseeable future. But unless someone brought that sort of stuff, that will mean needing to forge our own equipment...we are going to need metalurgy shortly after we get the food situation squared away....

[Norbert]

Shall we push this ahead, and post nominations? 21 people have taken the poll, that should be an significant number to get started. And lets get started with it before it gets delayed any more. Day 3 or 4.

BTW, while I didn't initailly agree with a Treasury represenitive, the arguments for it have changed my mind. Also, I have some information put together by Columbia Games for their Harn, which btw, has some of the most detailed maps and historical basis for a medieval style world I have seen yet, which gives fuedal incomes and prices based on their research, and I have always thought it well balanced. It might give us a basis to start for the development of an economy. Modern price/income equivalants will not work.

[Gerard-ABC]

I'd also go for a Resources post - combine Logging / Mining
Why not also a Food post - combine Agriculture / Fishing

This means we can add more deputy / assistant grade posts in the future, when we discover new ideas.


Regards,
Gerard

[Ghost 88]

Sorry 18 hr days will kill us just as fast as running out of food will . Let us keep work no more than 12 hrs a day on most days.
Hey farmer man you know "its can see to can't see" working in the dark is a "bad thing"

[SionEwig]

I'd also go for a Resources post - combine Logging / Mining
Why not also a Food post - combine Agriculture / Fishing

This means we can add more deputy / assistant grade posts in the future, when we discover new ideas.


Regards,
Gerard

It would be better to combine Fishing with Game and Wildlife (which does have enough votes).

And again, Heck no to combining Logging and Mining. Leave Mining out of it.

To paraphrase someone whom I can't recall at the moment. "If nominated, I will decline. If elected, I will flee to Canada and fight extradition."

So There.

[Soyuz]

I'd also go for a Resources post - combine Logging / Mining
Why not also a Food post - combine Agriculture / Fishing

This means we can add more deputy / assistant grade posts in the future, when we discover new ideas.


Regards,
Gerard
I'd rather have it as:
- Inland resources (mining, logging, everything else extracted on land)
- Ofshore resources (fishing, but also ship building)
- Interior/construction (building the infrastructure and buildings)

I just think it would be better to take the load off of the construction minister, and farming & fishing have little in common to combine the job.

P.S. Add hunting to defense, those guys are still carrying rifles! The hunters will know how to use the rifles, so they can also act as rangers, and rangers are carrying rifles, so they can help the hunters.

[Psychomeltdown]

14 hour days acualtly is what we've been working at. Should drop to ten after the main settlement goes up and is running.
14 hr days?

I've been making the NPCs, and Dave, pull 12 hrs only. They need at least 8 hrs rack, 4 hrs to eat, bathe, clean up stuff, and what not.

[Norbert]

14 hr days?

I've been making the NPCs, and Dave, pull 12 hrs only. They need at least 8 hrs rack, 4 hrs to eat, bathe, clean up stuff, and what not.

Yes, but in that 4 hours, they are also doing other things that can be considered work (Like hauling Water for their household, amoung other things).

I have been figuring that I have been putting about 3 extra hours in after getting back from cutting to maintain the axes and saws (Sharpening, Cleaning, and if necessary fixing handles, etc).

[Gerard-ABC]

Norbert,

>> I have been figuring that I have been putting about 3 extra hours in after getting back from cutting to maintain the axes and saws (Sharpening, Cleaning, and if necessary fixing handles, etc). <<

I've been doing that for my people, team managers been helping too. So far, just 2 new axe handles, and soem sharpening done. Saws being sharpened every other evening.

I can do that for your people when you're away.


Regards,
Gerard

[Norbert]

Norbert,

>> I have been figuring that I have been putting about 3 extra hours in after getting back from cutting to maintain the axes and saws (Sharpening, Cleaning, and if necessary fixing handles, etc). <<

I've been doing that for my people, team managers been helping too. So far, just 2 new axe handles, and soem sharpening done. Saws being sharpened every other evening.

I can do that for your people when you're away.


Regards,
Gerard

UUUH-RAAHH!!!! (Marine for Thank You, and just about anything else good)

Ward says his Son-in-Law Jamie will help, too. Its nice to know there are people who know what needs to be done, and offering their help. Got two Saw Sets and tools at my tent that you could get from my wife. Ward and I both have hand drills and other tools that you may find useful, too.

[Gerard-ABC]

Nobert,
Thanks for that update.


>> Ward says his Son-in-Law Jamie will help, too. Its nice to know there are people who know what needs to be done, and offering their help. Got two Saw Sets and tools at my tent that you could get from my wife. Ward and I both have hand drills and other tools that you may find useful, too. <<

Thanks for those. If we need them, then I'll go and ask.

Good luck out there exploring and take care. I'll keep on building.


Regards,
Gerard

[Glen]

Right now based on the poll, we are definitely going to have the following council seats:

Health
Defense
Agriculture
Construction
Foreign Relations

Are these the people who will be in those roles?

Health - Glen Finney
Defense - WeaponM
Agriculture - Ward
Construction - ?
Foreign Relations - Doctor What

If there are others we expect to fill these roles, please mention them again.

[Glen]

We also will likely have these seats (not certain until close of poll, but running 50% or greater).

Law Enforcement
Game and Wildlife
Science and Technology
Logging

Who should be in these roles?

Law Enforcement - ?
Game and Wildlife - ?
Science and Technology - ?
Logging - Norbert?

[Bulgaroktonos]

There is also one more vote for treasury, Norberts who has been convinced.

[Glen]

There is also one more vote for treasury, Norberts who has been convinced.

Good point, which would put treasury at 11 of 22, or 50%.

Who should we have for Treasury (which I'd also like to have coordinate our Census and Inventory)?

BTW, any of these Council positions fit you, Bulg?

[Glen]

Also...should we have a separate Education councillor, or should this be under something else, like Science and Technology?

[Norbert]

Also...should we have a separate Education councillor, or should this be under something else, like Science and Technology?

Given the number requiring education, both childre and adults (though the adults would me more like an apprenticeship), I would recommend a seperate education councillor/coordinator.

[Flocculencio]

Add hunting to defense, those guys are still carrying rifles! The hunters will know how to use the rifles, so they can also act as rangers, and rangers are carrying rifles, so they can help the hunters.

Once again I'd like to point out that for the interests of preventing military government, rangers are seperate from militia. The hunters can act as militiamen as can everyone else. Rangers, however, should be demarcated as our professional scout/military/escort force. Ideally I'd add law enforcement to that but since people don't seem comfortable with it, we might as well not.

Rangers will most likely be busy escorting supply caravans between settlements, exploring, maintaining contact with surrounding tribes etc to help much with hunting.

[Bulgaroktonos]

BTW, any of these Council positions fit you, Bulg?

I have a preference for science and technology, but I think it should be more of a Research and Development thing, as that is more suited to what I've been doing so far, which would be applying our technology and such to better logistical use.

I.E. Building Archimedes' screws (which I'm working on in my spare time) for easier water access, thus freeing up more labor from water collection.

I could just always be a minister without portfolio......

[Ward]

I have a preference for science and technology, but I think it should be more of a Research and Development thing, as that is more suited to what I've been doing so far, which would be applying our technology and such to better logistical use.

I.E. Building Archimedes' screws (which I'm working on in my spare time) for easier water access, thus freeing up more labor from water collection.

I could just always be a minister without portfolio......




How about minister of noise . Just kidding .
How about minister of the people . Were you tell us what the people think and how they feel .

Check with me I have a lot of plans for everday iteams fron the 1800's abd Roman times . If I don't have it Norbert might .

[Bulgaroktonos]

How about minister of noise . Just kidding .

That's why I brought my bullhorn and plenty of batteries.


How about minister of the people . Were you tell us what the people think and how they feel .

We are a direct democracy for now, as I understand it, so they'll be fully able to tell us what they think.

Check with me I have a lot of plans for everday iteams fron the 1800's abd Roman times . If I don't have it Norbert might .

Will do. More plans I have the better. We might be able to put Carpentry, Blacksmithing, and such under the Science and Technology/Research and Development umbrella, as that way the person in charge can work on creating the things of value in an efficient and coordinated manner.

[Norbert]

How about minister of noise . Just kidding .
How about minister of the people . Were you tell us what the people think and how they feel .

Check with me I have a lot of plans for everday iteams fron the 1800's abd Roman times . If I don't have it Norbert might .

Yep, I might. For instance, an Archimedean Screw should be able to lift water only about 2 feet of lift, but could probably move about 4.5 cubic feet of water per minute. Typical Irrigation of 1 acre will require about 900 cubic feet of water or will take about a 10% shortage with 90 cubic feet.

A man powered piston pump will pump roughly .8 cubic feet per minute, and really doesn't have a limit to the height, at least not that we are going to encounter until someone thinks of doing some deep mining. Using a piston pump, we could build a water tower and fill it without having to haul buckets up, and then we have a pressurised water system.

Don't think that I am not saying the A.Screw won't be very useful, it will, as we could set up an irrigation system of ditches where the screw is used to move the water from a pond into the ditches, and probably won't need to raised more than 2 feet.

Anyone out there besides me built Earth dams before?

[Othniel]

Yep, I might. For instance, an Archimedean Screw should be able to lift water only about 2 feet of lift, but could probably move about 4.5 cubic feet of water per minute. Typical Irrigation of 1 acre will require about 900 cubic feet of water or will take about a 10% shortage with 90 cubic feet.

A man powered piston pump will pump roughly .8 cubic feet per minute, and really doesn't have a limit to the height, at least not that we are going to encounter until someone thinks of doing some deep mining. Using a piston pump, we could build a water tower and fill it without having to haul buckets up, and then we have a pressurised water system.

Don't think that I am not saying the A.Screw won't be very useful, it will, as we could set up an irrigation system of ditches where the screw is used to move the water from a pond into the ditches, and probably won't need to raised more than 2 feet.

Anyone out there besides me built Earth dams before?Doesn't that require a lot of dynamite? I've never built one but I watched a few movies on the subject, enough to know whats going on in basic consturtion. We are going to have to work hard to get one of those built, and it will be around September before we can start.

[SionEwig]

Anyone out there besides me built Earth dams before?

Yeah, but not very big.

[Norbert]

Doesn't that require a lot of dynamite? I've never built one but I watched a few movies on the subject, enough to know whats going on in basic consturtion. We are going to have to work hard to get one of those built, and it will be around September before we can start.

No dynamite, just shovels. I could build one, with the help of 2 or 3 others that would be about 3 feet high and 25 feet long in two days. Sufficient on a stream to get a pond deep enough to pump water from. We built (and rebuilt them, cause they will wash out) many of them to get a source to get water to irrigate our 'short term cash crop' fields. (Damn, but did I ever hate growing and picking pickling cucumbers!)

[Glen]

Its been a while since there has been any new votes.

So, can people put forward their best guesses as to who will fill these roles. Please speak up if you yourself have skills and a willingness to take on the responsibility for these areas.

[Norbert]

Since I already seem to be at it anyway, I'll volunteer for Lumbering.

I would nominate that grouch:p Ward for Agriculture
Glenn for Medicine and Health
Bulg for R&D
Doctor What for Foreign Relations, Cultural Studies
WeaponM for Defence

There are others I would nominate but it kind of blurs to me who is speacilaized in which areas, or who is already doing what.

[Glen]

Okay, the following are likeliest to be our Council composition:

Health and Medicine
Defense
Law Enforcement
Agriculture
Game, Wildlife, and Fisheries
Construction
Science and Technology
Logging and Mining
Treasury
Foreign Relations

I have folded the portfolios of Fisheries and Mining into other departments. Education may end up in here as well, but that poll needs some time (and can be added a bit later in any event).

People so far suggested for these roles.

Health and Medicine - Glen Finney
Defense - WeaponM (I believe MBarry demurred due to his Ranger obligations)
Law Enforcement - ?
Agriculture - Ward
Game, Wildlife, and Fisheries - Psychomeltdown
Construction - ?
Science and Technology - Bulg
Logging and Mining - Norbert
Treasury - jolo
Foreign Relations - Doctor What

I believe at this point myself, Ward, WeaponM, Norbert, and Doctor What are pretty well accepted for these roles, however, if you believe it should be you or someone else in these roles, please speak up now.

How about Psychomeltdown, Bulg, and jolo for these other roles?

And who is doing Construction and Law Enforcement?

[Norbert]

How about Psychomeltdown, Bulg, and jolo for these other roles?


Fine by me.

[Glen]

We really need a Sheriff, even if NPC...anyone on AH.com have law enforcement experience? How about IronYuppie?

Construction is also a need...I thought I saw some people working on that, but can't recall...

[Ghost 88]

We really need a Sheriff, even if NPC...anyone on AH.com have law enforcement experience? How about IronYuppie?

Construction is also a need...I thought I saw some people working on that, but can't recall...
Had training no experince I be sober (17 yrs) I try real hard to listen to both sides,and get along naturally w/95% of the people I meet.

[Gerard-ABC]

Ok.... I'll put my name down for Construction.

Regards,
Gerard

[Bulgaroktonos]

I'll stay on as head of Research and Development, but eventually I'd like to retire as a judge.....part of the whole deal being chief prosecutor and all.....

[Matt]

Iron Yuppie has the baby, so I don't think she has the time to dedicate to the Sheriffing.

[Glen]

Ok.... I'll put my name down for Construction.

Regards,
Gerard

Thanks Gerard!

[Glen]

So...initial Council size appears to be 11, with the following positions:

Medicine and Health
Defense
Law Enforcement
Agriculture
Game, Wildlife, and Fisheries
Construction
Science and Technology
Logging and Mining
Treasury
Foreign Relations
Education

So far suggested people to fill these positions are:

Medicine and Health - Glen Finney
Defense - WeaponM
Law Enforcement - ?
Agriculture - Ward
Game, Wildlife, and Fisheries - Psychomeltdown
Construction - Gerard
Science and Technology - Bulg?
Logging and Mining - Norbert
Treasury - jolo
Foreign Relations - Doctor What
Education - Floc's Wife?

GBW has experience in using boats, so I'm going to ask him to serve under the Game Wildlife and Fisheries department to supervise and promote our fishing industry.

[Glen]

Can I get some comments on the proposed list of councillors?

[Bulgaroktonos]

My comment is I'm so incredibly torn.

On the one hand, I really want to help guide our community to success through the benefits of being our Science and Tech/R&D Councillor.

On the other, I have the opportunity to mold the legal culture of our community for decades/centuries to come as a judge...............

Decisions, Decisions.

Where to the members of the community find me to be of more use? I can do either with equal joy, as either position keeps be busy....as Judge I can be an advisor to the S&T/R&D councillor and as the councillor I can still be our current DA/Prosecutor.

[Norbert]

My comment is I'm so incredibly torn.

On the one hand, I really want to help guide our community to success through the benefits of being our Science and Tech/R&D Councillor.

On the other, I have the opportunity to mold the legal culture of our community for decades/centuries to come as a judge...............

Decisions, Decisions.

Where to the members of the community find me to be of more use? I can do either with equal joy, as either position keeps be busy....as Judge I can be an advisor to the S&T/R&D councillor and as the councillor I can still be our current DA/Prosecutor.

It is a dilema, to be certain. I am not sure of the wisdom of not mixing the roles for now, give there are relativly few active participants. If more were active, that might be different. It is not as if we are expecting to need a judge for more than (hopefully) a couple hours a week.

[Gerard-ABC]

It's good to have the legal side of things organised early.

But I doubt if 95% of them will have much to do for a few years.

Maybe we could let them hold other positions as well, just not any that could be related to law - no Ranger / militia / sheriff / chairman / mayor.


Regards,
Gerard

[Glen]

Medicine and Health - Glen Finney
Defense - WeaponM
Law Enforcement - Ghost 88
Agriculture - Ward
Game, Wildlife, and Fisheries - Psychomeltdown
Construction - Gerard-ABC
Science and Technology - Bulg?
Logging and Mining - Norbert
Treasury - jolo
Foreign Relations - Doctor What
Education - Floc's Wife?

Almost there????

[Ghost 88]

Doc Finney, my acceptence speach is as follows. I vow to uphold the laws set forth by the council, as long as the power don't go to their heads.

[Glen]

Doc Finney, my acceptence speach is as follows. I vow to uphold the laws set forth by the council, as long as the power don't go to their heads.

Fair enough, if by 'power don't go to their heads' you mean respect the Bill of Rights and Common Law....;)

[Ghost 88]

Fair enough, if by 'power don't go to their heads' you mean respect the Bill of Rights and Common Law....;)
As you said when leadership was first descussed "no dictators"

[Glen]

As you said when leadership was first descussed "no dictators"

Done! I said no dictators and meant it.

[Ghost 88]

Done! I said no dictators and meant it.
The thing that I see as the worst attribute of U.S.politicians is just that they let it go to their heads and forget just who they are susposed to be representing.

[Glen]

The thing that I see as the worst attribute of U.S.politicians is just that they let it go to their heads and forget just who they are susposed to be representing.

US politicians, right....like the politicians in other nations don't?:rolleyes:

[Ghost 88]

US politicians, right....like the politicians in other nations don't?:rolleyes:
I feel free to comment only on my own;)

[Psychomeltdown]

Medicine and Health - Glen Finney
Defense - WeaponM
Law Enforcement - Ghost 88
Agriculture - Ward
Game, Wildlife, and Fisheries - Psychomeltdown
Construction - Gerard-ABC
Science and Technology - Bulg?
Logging and Mining - Norbert
Treasury - jolo
Foreign Relations - Doctor What
Education - Floc's Wife?

Almost there????


Figure my department should be called,

Game, Livestock, and Fisheries. After all I'm technically in charge of the livestock. cool, I'll have Grimm as my subordinate! :D

I thought Jolo was a Fort Ian person?

didn't General Pual say he was gonna start up a school? Is he playing anymore??

[Bulgaroktonos]

A thought......

Shouldn't we have some legal overview of the council's decisions? Other than waiting for a suit to be brought? Thus it would strike me that a non-voting member should be present, such as a judge.....

Also, since I'm the only seriously active nominee for Judgeship, would I be the effective "Chief Justice" or what?

I'll just go ahead and be a judge. Damn separation of powers!!!

So who all is to replace me as Science and Technology chief?

[Norbert]

A thought......

Shouldn't we have some legal overview of the council's decisions? Other than waiting for a suit to be brought? Thus it would strike me that a non-voting member should be present, such as a judge.....

Also, since I'm the only seriously active nominee for Judgeship, would I be the effective "Chief Justice" or what?

I'll just go ahead and be a judge. Damn separation of powers!!!

So who all is to replace me as Science and Technology chief?

'All Rise for Cheif Justice Bulgaroktonos'

As to Science and Technology, I don't know. Has anyone shown any interest in that area? Speak Up! We need to hear from you!

[Psychomeltdown]

'All Rise for Cheif Justice Bulgaroktonos'

As to Science and Technology, I don't know. Has anyone shown any interest in that area? Speak Up! We need to hear from you!
I would suggest Forum Lurker, he seems the brainy type. :D though how involved he would be is another matter.

[Norbert]

I would suggest Forum Lurker, he seems the brainy type. :D though how involved he would be is another matter.

For that matter, a lot of us have various ideas and specialties. Co-ordinating the ideas is the main thing, and if the Minister of Science and Technology can look at ideas designed to work in one area, but can see an application in another area, so much the better.

[Bulgaroktonos]

For that matter, a lot of us have various ideas and specialties. Co-ordinating the ideas is the main thing, and if the Minister of Science and Technology can look at ideas designed to work in one area, but can see an application in another area, so much the better.

That's why I was going to lead it as a more of a "Research and Development" thing than Science and Technology.

[Forum Lurker]

If nominated, I will not actively campaign, but if elected, I will serve to the best of my ability. I believe I have the breadth of technical knowledge needed to coordinate R&D, but there are probably others with the same knowledge and more experience; it's just a question of who's needed where.

[Glen]

A thought......

Shouldn't we have some legal overview of the council's decisions? Other than waiting for a suit to be brought? Thus it would strike me that a non-voting member should be present, such as a judge.....

I don't see why, precisely.

Also, since I'm the only seriously active nominee for Judgeship, would I be the effective "Chief Justice" or what?

Possibly, possibly...though, in reality, I'd think it would be our actual lawyer who would get that nod as having the most experience.

I'll just go ahead and be a judge. Damn separation of powers!!!

So who all is to replace me as Science and Technology chief?

Well, Mister Justice, sounds like Forum Lurker...