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Matt
December 10th, 2005, 05:29 AM
This is what we have so far...

We'll be raising a group somewhere between 60-106 individuals. I need officers and NCOs first, preferably with military experence. NPCs can fill some of this billets. Then we can muster in the grunts, who well be younger guys who may or may not have prior experence.

It's on the job training!!

Roster:

Company Headquarters

Commanding Officer- Captain MBarry
Executive Officer- 1st Lieutenant Flocc
Company First Sergent- 1Sgt Perdedor99(NPC)
Company Orderly- Corporal Luakel
Company Quartermaster- 1st Lieutenant Ed Bronconto(NPC)
Quartermaster Sergent- xxxx
Quartermaster Sergent- xxxx

Line Platoons

First Platoon
Platoon Commander- 2Lt Tony Williams(NPC)
Platoon Sergent- Senior Sgt Ghost88
Bugler- xxxx
Squad Leaders(x3)- Sgt GBW
Fireteam Leaders(x9)-
Privates(x18)-

Second Platoon
Platoon Commander- 2ndLt BrianP(NPC)
Platoon Sergent- Senior Sgt Jason(NPC)
Bugler- xxxx
Squad Leaders(x3)-
Fireteam Leaders(x9)-
Privates(x18)-


Third Platoon
Platoon Commander- xxxx
Platoon Sergent- xxxx
Bugler- xxxx
Squad Leaders(x3)-
Fireteam Leaders(x9)-
Privates(x18)-

Edit: Placing NPCs and such in billets.

pisces74
December 10th, 2005, 05:36 AM
60-106 individuals
awful lot of people being drug from the fields, unless these platoons will be driving our morass of humanity north towards food and sea I'm again it.

If the one platoon is forward guard of the main host on the drive, and 2nd platoon is rearguard around the apartment sign me up.

Matt
December 10th, 2005, 05:38 AM
awful lot of people being drug from the fields, unless these platoons will be driving our morass of humanity north towards food and sea I'm again it.


See the discussion in the Sign up for job thread. 60 is the bare min. without working both men and horses to death.

Flocculencio
December 10th, 2005, 02:03 PM
So are we going to rotate the line platoons in and out of the field alternately?

If we get a third platoon that'll be great because then we can have one in the field, one conducting local security and one on light duties/standby at all times.

SionEwig
December 10th, 2005, 02:17 PM
I will still support the 106 number. What I think some are not understanding is that the 106 number will be the eventual total. There is simply no way to come up with that many qualified people in this short amount of time. We will be lucky to have that many by 1 year down the road.

Also, thought of something you left off the T/O Matt, medics.

How about tasking 1 person per squad for basic medic training and the 2 QM NCOs for more advanced training. This will add no more people to the Rangers total, will give them needed medical capacity in the field, and will add 11 more medical trained people to the overall group.

GBW
December 10th, 2005, 04:32 PM
Well, I'm in. But I've said that already. :)

I have some limited military experience.

Matt
December 10th, 2005, 10:25 PM
I will still support the 106 number. What I think some are not understanding is that the 106 number will be the eventual total. There is simply no way to come up with that many qualified people in this short amount of time. We will be lucky to have that many by 1 year down the road.

Also, thought of something you left off the T/O Matt, medics.

How about tasking 1 person per squad for basic medic training and the 2 QM NCOs for more advanced training. This will add no more people to the Rangers total, will give them needed medical capacity in the field, and will add 11 more medical trained people to the overall group.


Yeah, I noticed it last night when I posted the T/O, but the plan is pretty much as you state. I also have alternative T/Os if we get less then 106..


Sion, I know you're a combat engineer, but do you fell yourself more valuable to the community as a Ranger or as a engineer?

Ghost 88
December 10th, 2005, 11:04 PM
Yeah, I noticed it last night when I posted the T/O, but the plan is pretty much as you state. I also have alternative T/Os if we get less then 106..


Sion, I know you're a combat engineer, but do you fell yourself more valuable to the community as a Ranger or as a engineer?
We should leave Sion as an CE say as part of the milita staff but detached to the Rangers as needed after all we Rangers will have several different missions and the community is going to need engineers. Also the Main Base defense (When we get there) will be mainly the Militas job.

Matt
December 10th, 2005, 11:15 PM
We should leave Sion as an CE say as part of the milita staff but detached to the Rangers as needed after all we Rangers will have several different missions and the community is going to need engineers. Also the Main Base defense (When we get there) will be mainly the Militas job.


That's what I was thinking. Give him a commission in the militia, since their more defensive oriented, and well require earthworks.

Matt
December 10th, 2005, 11:30 PM
Well, I'm in. But I've said that already. :)

I have some limited military experience.


To what extent GBW?

Flocculencio
December 10th, 2005, 11:41 PM
Has anyone considered dragooning Luakel as Company Orderly? He can also double up as Drummer Boy :D

Matt
December 10th, 2005, 11:43 PM
Has anyone considered dragooning Luakel as Company Orderly? He can also double up as Drummer Boy :D

mwhahahaa!

Perfect

Ward
December 10th, 2005, 11:55 PM
Rember I can work as a milita officer also as well as my two older sons .
Rember on has 20 years in as a lt inf Soldier . And the other has servied in the military . My son in law hunts but he never served in the military .

Matt
December 10th, 2005, 11:58 PM
Rember I can work as a milita officer also as well as my two older sons .
Rember on has 20 years in as a lt inf Soldier . And the other has servied in the military . My son in law hunts but he never served in the military .

Well then, I'll be needing to borrow them for a period of no less then 2 years ;)

Ward
December 11th, 2005, 12:21 AM
Well then, I'll be needing to borrow them for a period of no less then 2 years ;)


Frank is also a Farmer and is the son that has taken over the farm from me .
After he retired .

Doug spent 4 years in ROTC in collage and then 2 years active duty as a Medical Administration officer and then 4 years res .in that duty ,
He is now a lawer .

Matt
December 11th, 2005, 12:24 AM
Frank is also a Farmer and is the son that has taken over the farm from me .
After he retired .

Doug spent 4 years in ROTC in collage and then 2 years active duty as a Medical Administration officer and then 4 years res .in that duty ,
He is now a lawer .


Alright, Frank might be better off in the militia then. Does Doug have any experence commanding troops?

And the Grandkids, any older the 16 and willing to serve?

Ward
December 11th, 2005, 12:27 AM
Alright, Frank might be better off in the militia then. Does Doug have any experence commanding troops?

And the Grandkids, any older the 16 and willing to serve?


No the oldest is 14 and female and my youngist son is 16 years old .

SionEwig
December 11th, 2005, 02:02 AM
Yeah, I noticed it last night when I posted the T/O, but the plan is pretty much as you state. I also have alternative T/Os if we get less then 106..


Sion, I know you're a combat engineer, but do you fell yourself more valuable to the community as a Ranger or as a engineer?

As much fun as being in the Rangers would be (I must have been hit on the head I can't believe I said that :D ), I think I would be of more overall use working in my specality - mining and some civil engineering. Now if we had a D-9 Cat it would be a different story. I do think I will end up spending a bunch of time with the Rangers anyway.

Flocculencio
December 12th, 2005, 12:27 PM
OK I'm back. Flew in to Singapore this morning and now my internet problems are sorted out.

Just to check up on developments regarding the Rangers that have been going on while I was gone- correct me if I've made any mistakes.

Days 4-5: Recruiting has been going on

Day 6: I and GBW will be leading a Ranger escort of Othniel's surveying expedition.

Doctor What
December 12th, 2005, 12:34 PM
Day 6: I and GBW will be leading a Ranger escort of Othniel's surveying expedition.

Thought we were leaving on Day 7 for that?

Flocculencio
December 12th, 2005, 12:56 PM
Thought we were leaving on Day 7 for that?

Whoops- my bad :D Still catching up with stuff. And is it you, Psycho and Othniel whom we will be escorting?

Doctor What
December 12th, 2005, 01:02 PM
Whoops- my bad :D Still catching up with stuff. And is it you, Psycho and Othniel whom we will be escorting?
Psycho will be coordinating the hunt--at the moment, it looks like me, Leo and Othniel will be in the escort group. We're still hashing out details but it looks like we might stay at Ahmick's village for a day or two, then we move on together to the survey site.

Flocculencio
December 12th, 2005, 01:03 PM
Roger that, tango yankee :D

Doctor What
December 12th, 2005, 01:05 PM
Roger that, tango yankee :D
Make that canuck....;)

Flocculencio
December 12th, 2005, 02:15 PM
In the Singapore Army we used 'Tango yankee' as an alternative to 'thank you'. I assume we're bringing Ahmick along?

Doctor What
December 12th, 2005, 02:25 PM
In the Singapore Army we used 'Tango yankee' as an alternative to 'thank you'. I assume we're bringing Ahmick along?
Yup. I really don't want him seeing the hunt nor the aftermath. Seeing that would push him completely over the edge and we can probably kiss our chances of ever making friends with the locals goodbye.

Besides--he's spent at least 4 days with us--I would imagine he's eager to report some info back to Helaku.

Ghost 88
December 12th, 2005, 04:44 PM
Make that canuck....;)
:D :D :D hey Doc ifyou live north of the Potomic or Ohio rivers you a Yankee:D :D :D :D

perdedor99
December 12th, 2005, 11:13 PM
So are we going to rotate the line platoons in and out of the field alternately?

If we get a third platoon that'll be great because then we can have one in the field, one conducting local security and one on light duties/standby at all times.

I agree completely. While I served in Sinai in the middle 80's that was the arrangement the platoons where divided.

One platoon on field duty, one platoon in local security, one platoon in training/reaction force; all that for a week. Them they rotate on their assigments.

I guess I will be busy doing paperwork, duty rosters, PT formations, drill, etc.
What type of force was decided this Rangers will be? What will be the primary weapon? If blackpowder, we need to drill in volley drill for example and the use of close combat weapons IMO. If we have the bolt action ones, the training changes to marksmenship, followed by hit and run tactics. Just my opinion but the CO could have soem other ideas.

Matt
December 12th, 2005, 11:20 PM
I wasn't but my civilian job being an accountant I guess I serve better as your Top. Ready for duty! Sir!


Okay then... we've mustered in the NCOs... The Plt Sgts, and Squad Leaders. These guys are all vets(albeit not all former combat arms, can't have everything.) Spent the day BZOing your rifles(I'm rethinking the Lee-Enfield in favor of the Garand) and getting your feet on the ground. Privates muster in tomorrow. Let your NCOs handle the training, but they need some rudementry guidance. So some sort of training schedule is needed. We have til Othniel and Co. get back. Do what you need Top, I got some officers to do likewise with. No questions asked.

We're also going to need to come up with some sort of UCMJ... to handle things like desertion and such.

Matt
December 12th, 2005, 11:28 PM
I agree completely. While I served in Sinai in the middle 80's that was the arrangement the platoons where divided.

One platoon on field duty, one platoon in local security, one platoon in training/reaction force; all that for a week. Them they rotate on their assigments.

I guess I will be busy doing paperwork, duty rosters, PT formations, drill, etc.
What type of force was decided this Rangers will be? What will be the primary weapon? If blackpowder, we need to drill in volley drill for example and the use of close combat weapons IMO. If we have the bolt action ones, the training changes to marksmenship, followed by hit and run tactics. Just my opinion but the CO could have soem other ideas.

The Rangers well be a hybrid police/military force, who's primary responsiblity is patrolling the frontier, protecting supply routes and settlements, providing training to the militia, working in law enforcement, and if the need arisings, used as a mounted infantry force in a pitched battle.

The Hawkin's are for when the .30-06 rounds run out. I'm thinking of reworking what firearms I'm taking, but marksmen training well be important. When we change over to black powder, the weapon are breech loading rifles, so they're really not important for volley fire. Besides which, the fire team well be our basic unit in the field, so a volley would be really ineffective anyways. Definatly hit and run tactics.


Although I think close combat well be important; I have bayonetts for all.

SionEwig
December 12th, 2005, 11:35 PM
Stick with the rechambered SMLEs damnit. The rate of fire issue is not relavent.

Matt
December 12th, 2005, 11:37 PM
Stick with the rechambered SMLEs damnit. The rate of fire issue is not relavent.


Actually it isnt the rate of fire, it's the difficulty of working the bolt on horse back that I'm worried about.

perdedor99
December 12th, 2005, 11:40 PM
The Rangers well be a hybrid police/military force, who's primary responsiblity is patrolling the frontier, protecting supply routes and settlements, providing training to the militia, working in law enforcement, and if the need arisings, used as a mounted infantry force in a pitched battle.

I see. Very busy for a while. Still I think the three platoon arrangment works as Flocc and I say. Do you agree?

I also agree some kind of USMJ need to be created but the problem is the idleness and no sense of group yet. Too harsh and we could create discontent. Too light and discipline problems could be rampant.

The Hawkin's are for when the .30-06 rounds run out. I'm thinking of reworking what firearms I'm taking, but marksmen training well be important. When we change over to black powder, the weapon are breech loading rifles, so they're really not important for volley fire. Besides which, the fire team well be our basic unit in the field, so a volley would be really ineffective anyways. Definatly hit and run tactics.

Could Henrys perform the same function? They are better fit for a mounted unit and the seven round tube magazine give us some impressive firepower in blackpowder, but of course the virtues of keeping your weapon clean need to be drilled, a lot.

Also IMO the Henry makes a better fit for the small size of the units and give better covering fire in the hit and run tactics.

Although I think close combat well be important; I have bayonetts for all

IMO we need to drill in the use of swords also, especially the Roman one. Nice stabbing one and Roman combat tactics could be useful to know for future use.

SionEwig
December 12th, 2005, 11:43 PM
Actually it isnt the rate of fire, it's the difficulty of working the bolt on horse back that I'm worried about.

The US Army had no roblem using both the Krag Jorgenson and the M1903 Springfields from horseback. Besides, it won't be all that easy reloading a Garand on horse and you can top off a bolt action, can't do that with a Garand. Also, you will also need to take lots and lots of clips for the Garands, cause don't forget, it ejects them when it's empty.

Matt
December 12th, 2005, 11:46 PM
I see. Very busy for a while. Still I think the three platoon arrangment works as Flocc and I say. Do you agree?

Agreed, the T/O on the first page has 3 platoons now. Any less and we'll work both men and horses to death

I also agree some kind of USMJ need to be created but the problem is the idleness and no sense of group yet. Too harsh and we could create discontent. Too light and discipline problems could be rampant.

Desertion is what I'm worried about. And insubordination. I suppose that's what the mini-boot is for; giving a little sense of that. The Ranger's well be working as a whole company during the move, so I think that well be very important in establishing identity.


Could Henrys perform the same function? They are better fit for a mounted unit and the seven round tube magazine give us some impressive firepower in blackpowder, but of course the virtues of keeping your weapon clean need to be drilled, a lot.

Also IMO the Henry makes a better fit for the small size of the units and give better covering fire in the hit and run tactics.
How complex is the level-action mechinism? That's why I choose the Hawkins, since these weapons have to last a long time.



IMO we need to drill in the use of swords also, especially the Roman one. Nice stabbing one and Roman combat tactics could be useful to know for future use.

Agreed. Those, thankfully, can be made within a couple years. Sabres well be at Berkeley inside on of my party's wagons. For mounted use of course.

Ward
December 12th, 2005, 11:47 PM
The US Army had no roblem using both the Krag Jorgenson and the M1903 Springfields from horseback. Besides, it won't be all that easy reloading a Garand on horse and you can top off a bolt action, can't do that with a Garand. Also, you will also need to take lots and lots of clips for the Garands, cause don't forget, it ejects them when it's empty.


Yes you can top off a Grand rifle I've done it more than once . Plus you can reload it from a striper clip .

Matt
December 12th, 2005, 11:48 PM
The US Army had no roblem using both the Krag Jorgenson and the M1903 Springfields from horseback. Besides, it won't be all that easy reloading a Garand on horse and you can top off a bolt action, can't do that with a Garand. Also, you will also need to take lots and lots of clips for the Garands, cause don't forget, it ejects them when it's empty.


By that time didn't US Cav fight dismounted?

Moot point, since we'll do our share dismounted anyways...

The clips would be a mega pain in the ass. You win.

Ward
December 12th, 2005, 11:57 PM
If you want a good hv weapon that can be fired from horse back take the BAR . There is a BAR that was set up to be fired from horse back . There was only 1500 made but there out there . My Father brought one home from the war . He was a CAv officer and retired in 1956 with the last Cav Regs was disbanded .

Ghost 88
December 12th, 2005, 11:59 PM
The Rangers well be a hybrid police/military force, who's primary responsiblity is patrolling the frontier, protecting supply routes and settlements, providing training to the militia, working in law enforcement, and if the need arisings, used as a mounted infantry force in a pitched battle.

The Hawkin's are for when the .30-06 rounds run out. I'm thinking of reworking what firearms I'm taking, but marksmen training well be important. When we change over to black powder, the weapon are breech loading rifles, so they're really not important for volley fire. Besides which, the fire team well be our basic unit in the field, so a volley would be really ineffective anyways. Definatly hit and run tactics.


Although I think close combat well be important; I have bayonetts for all.
Could I suggest pistols and swords for mounted work? The US Cavalry was never a true Cavalry force but a Mounted Inf. force they almost always dismounted to fight ( the ACW being the only time were they charged mounted)

perdedor99
December 12th, 2005, 11:59 PM
Agreed, the T/O on the first page has 3 platoons now. Any less and we'll work both men and horses to death
Aye-Aye, Sir! Will produce rosters as soon as the boot camp is over.


Desertion is what I'm worried about. And insubordination. I suppose that's what the mini-boot is for; giving a little sense of that. The Ranger's well be working as a whole company during the move, so I think that well be very important in establishing identity.

Agree in both accounts. We need to create a sense of unit, the real reason soldiers perform their duties, for their buddies. Also how long the mini-boot will last? I guess we could start with a light PT session :rolleyes: on the first day followed with marksmenship to weed the crappy shooters from the passable ones. All units need clerks and cooks, you know.:rolleyes:

How complex is the level-action mechinism? That's why I choose the Hawkins, since these weapons have to last a long time.

You're are maybe right. The level-action mechanism will not last as long as the Hawkins but it will last a long time if properly maintained. In the Civil War the main cause of malfunction was the clog the black powder did to the weapon. They need to be clean. Extremely clean.

Agreed. Those, thankfully, can be made within a couple years. Sabres well be at Berkeley inside on of my party's wagons. For mounted use of course.

Well, something to keep the troops busy. And while the use of swords will not be as necessary for a while, eventually we will need them IMO.

Matt
December 13th, 2005, 12:04 AM
Aye-Aye, Sir! Will produce rosters as soon as the boot camp is over.

Agree in both accounts. We need to create a sense of unit, the real reason soldiers perform their duties, for their buddies. Also how long the mini-boot will last? I guess we could start with a light PT session :rolleyes: on the first day followed with marksmenship to weed the crappy shooters from the passable ones. All units need clerks and cooks, you know.:rolleyes:

They're well be extra recruits. I imagine alot of the youngins well see the Rangers as a way off the field. If they don't measure up, give em to the militia ;)

The mini-boot well be no where near long enough. We've got 22 days. The Air Force takes longer then that :rolleyes:

You're are maybe right. The level-action mechanism will not last as long as the Hawkins but it will last a long time if properly maintained. In the Civil War the main cause of malfunction was the clog the black powder did to the weapon. They need to be clean. Extremely clean.

Maybe a few then, but until these troops prove disiplined enough, we won't issue them.

Well, something to keep the troops busy. And while the use of swords will not be as necessary for a while, eventually we will need them IMO.

idle troops= bad!

Matt
December 13th, 2005, 12:06 AM
Aye-Aye, Sir! Will produce rosters as soon as the boot camp is over.

I can't help this....

First Sergent, Take charge of the company, and carry out the plan of the day.

Flocculencio
December 13th, 2005, 04:41 PM
The Rangers well be a hybrid police/military force, who's primary responsiblity is patrolling the frontier, protecting supply routes and settlements, providing training to the militia, working in law enforcement, and if the need arisings, used as a mounted infantry force in a pitched battle.

To find a real-world equivalent, I believe I mentioned the Texas Rangers to MBarry in one of our early discussions.

Matt
December 13th, 2005, 04:47 PM
Mission 001


Mission Statement: Provide escort to joint scouting/survey expedition to Berkeley area.
Departure date: Day 7
Personel: 1LT Flocc, Sgt GBW, 1st Squad, 1st Platoon
Mission Commander: 1LT Flocc
Expected Duration: 2 weeks

Ward
December 13th, 2005, 05:07 PM
What type of rifle are you going to use to teach rifle safety and marksmen ship . I hope its with the .22 if so the Wards are willing to loan there .22 for you to train on and 2,000 rounds to use.

Also my son Frank will be willing to work the range for you . He did a tour as a Drill Sgt and taught markmenship .

Yes he should of joined the Rangers full time but as he said 20 years is enough . And he left his wife and kids home enough over the years .

If you set up a Ranger detacment that stays in camp he would join that .
Also he is willing to help out in training . He still runs 5 miles every day when the weather is good . Rember he retired at 38 as an E-7 with the Ranges .
He was up for E-8 but retired on a hardship retirment to run the farm for the Family .

Matt
December 13th, 2005, 05:17 PM
What type of rifle are you going to use to teach rifle safety and marksmen ship . I hope its with the .22 if so the Wards are willing to loan there .22 for you to train on and 2,000 rounds to use.

Yes, .22s well be used for initial marksmen training. .30-06 ammo is too valuable to waste away.

Also my son Frank will be willing to work the range for you . He did a tour as a Drill Sgt and taught markmenship .

Yes he should of joined the Rangers full time but as he said 20 years is enough . And he left his wife and kids home enough over the years .

If you set up a Ranger detacment that stays in camp he would join that .
Also he is willing to help out in training . He still runs 5 miles every day when the weather is good . Rember he retired at 38 as an E-7 with the Ranges .
He was up for E-8 but retired on a hardship retirment to run the farm for the Family .

I'd appreicate his help with training.

The militia can use him on a more regular basis, but as a liason I think he would work great

Ghost 88
December 13th, 2005, 11:28 PM
What type of rifle are you going to use to teach rifle safety and marksmen ship . I hope its with the .22 if so the Wards are willing to loan there .22 for you to train on and 2,000 rounds to use.

Also my son Frank will be willing to work the range for you . He did a tour as a Drill Sgt and taught markmenship .

Yes he should of joined the Rangers full time but as he said 20 years is enough . And he left his wife and kids home enough over the years .

If you set up a Ranger detacment that stays in camp he would join that .
Also he is willing to help out in training . He still runs 5 miles every day when the weather is good . Rember he retired at 38 as an E-7 with the Ranges .
He was up for E-8 but retired on a hardship retirment to run the farm for the Family .
I had imagened him as Xo or SGM of the militia

Ward
December 13th, 2005, 11:39 PM
Matt We could use a full time Rangeer force just in the camp that is made up of some of the older men . They could work part time as Rangers being on 2 days a week so the full time Rangers get some time off .

Psychomeltdown
December 14th, 2005, 12:15 AM
I had imagened him as Xo or SGM of the militia
Yeah, Frank sounds like the man to help lead the Militia.

If not that. Sheriff of the Camp.

I'm against any use of the Rangers as a law enforcement arm.

perdedor99
December 14th, 2005, 02:02 AM
I had imagened him as Xo or SGM of the militia
I can see him as the man in charge for the militia and second in command overall after the Ranger commander.

Matt
January 17th, 2006, 06:48 PM
Here's some mundane things I've thought of while complying the Ranger gear....

What uniforms should we go for? Cammies? O.D.s? What do you guys think?

Norbert
January 17th, 2006, 06:53 PM
Here's some mundane things I've thought of while complying the Ranger gear....

What uniforms should we go for? Cammies? O.D.s? What do you guys think?

Two to four sets O.D, the rest Woodland BDU. Get the ones that are 'rip-stop', or even better the silk BDUs. The silk ones will not tear and will even prevent cuts in the fabric, very hard to get thorns and sharpened wood to penetrate it. Very durable, especially for the long term use.

Anyway, cost is no object!

Matt
January 17th, 2006, 06:58 PM
They make silk BDUs?!

SionEwig
January 17th, 2006, 06:58 PM
Two to four sets O.D, the rest Woodland BDU. Get the ones that are 'rip-stop', or even better the silk BDUs. The silk ones will not tear and will even prevent cuts in the fabric, very hard to get thorns and sharpened wood to penetrate it. Very durable, especially for the long term use.

Anyway, cost is no object!

You might want to also think about some Desert pattern. A lot of the area around us fits that color scheme fairly well.

Matt
January 17th, 2006, 07:00 PM
You might want to also think about some Desert pattern. A lot of the area around us fits that color scheme fairly well.


Actually I think Woodland MARPAT would work nicely in the region, it's got alot of browns in it vs the old school Woodlands.

Norbert
January 17th, 2006, 07:01 PM
They make silk BDUs?!

Sure they do. Ask War about the ones he had in 'Nam.

SionEwig
January 17th, 2006, 07:38 PM
Actually I think Woodland MARPAT would work nicely in the region, it's got alot of browns in it vs the old school Woodlands.

Sounds fine to me. I haven't really kept up with all the new patterns, but then consider that OD fatigues were still the issue when I was in and we were still changing over to the first style Woodland BDUs when I got out.

Flocculencio
January 17th, 2006, 08:04 PM
Pardon my ignorance but what's an OD uniform?

SionEwig
January 17th, 2006, 08:11 PM
Pardon my ignorance but what's an OD uniform?

Short for Olive Drab, that basic green color that everything in the army was painted, LOL. The style of standard US Army field uniforms before the BDUs.

Flocculencio
January 17th, 2006, 08:21 PM
Oh ok- like the ones I've seen in Vietnam war films

Ward
January 17th, 2006, 09:21 PM
Right those uniforms by the way in a shop in Hong Kong I was able to have 4 sets made out of silk that cost me about $80 in 1967 .

Matt
January 18th, 2006, 03:13 AM
Most Equipment is falling under community property. The Majority of my junior enlisted have either journeyed with no wife, or agreed to seperate with them to ease hardship. Thus most can bring 4000-8000 lbs of gear. 1000 well be allocated for our use, as part of their communial contribution. 500 lbs from each Ranger well be for ammo only, leaving 53,000 lbs total from just the Rangers. Individual members have pledge additional contribution for community defense.

To start with, each Ranger well recieve 3 sets of the following(one for Personal use, 2 for spares):

Integrated Individual Fighting System (IIFS) with the Following

Interceptor Body Armor, Coyote Brown, with SAPI plates(7.4 kg)

Helmet, Ground Troops Advanced Lightweight, with MARPAT cover(1.4 kg)

Modular Lightweight Load-carrying Equipment, Fighting Load Carrier Vest (MOLLE FLC) Consists of
(Weight: 2 Kg)

Fighting Load Carrier, Coyote Brown w/
4x Magazine Pouches
2x Grenade Pouches
2x Canteen/ Utilities Pouches w/Canteens
1x Butt-pack
M9 Bayonet and Carrier
Plastic E-Tool Carrier, Olive Drab, w/
Collapsible Entrenching Tool
First Aid Pouch, Woodland
Protective Mask Carrier, Coyote Brown, w/
M40A1 Field Protective Mask
M258 Individual Decontamination Kit
M12 Ambidextrous Holster, Olive Drab

Other Equipment that maybe added

2 Quart Plastic Canteen and Cover, Olive Drab
5 Quart Flotation Bladder Canteen, Olive Drab

Improved Load Bearing Equipment(IBLE), MARPAT (20 kg)
with the Following

Battle Dress Uniform (BDU), MARPAT (6 pr)
M65 Combat Jacket, Woodland, w/ Liner (1)
Boots, Combat, Mojave, w/ armored soles (2 pr one Hot Weather, one Temperate)
Undershirt, Olive Drab (4)
Underwear, Olive Drab (4 pr)
Wool Socks, Grey (6 Pr)
Rainsuit, Gore-Tex, MARPAT (1 set, Jacket and Pants)
Field Cap, MARPAT (3)
Garrison Cover, 8 point, MARPAT(3)
Sweater, Olive Drab (1)
Belt, Nylon, Green with Fastex Buckle (2)
Long Johns, Olive Drab (2 pr)
Gloves, Combat, Inner & Outer (2 pr)
Ground Sheet, Woodland (2)
Poncho Liner, Thinsulate, Woodland (1)
Sleeping Bag, w/ Outer, Inner, Hood & Liner, Olive Drab (1)
Bivouac, Sleeping Bag Cover, Gore-Tex, Woodland
Mosquito Net, Olive Drab (1)
Bedroll, Self Inflating, Olive Drab (1)
Iso-mat (1)
Sun/ Wind/ Dust Goggles, OD Frame
w/ Clear and Smoked Lenses (1)
Compass w/ Compass Carrier (1)
Protractor (1)
Field Message Pad (3) w/ Cover
Map Case, Olive Drab (1)
Geiger Tab (1)
M1 CBR kit (1)
Lighter, Disposable (2)
Flashlight, Crookneck, Olive Drab (1)
Box, Matches, Wind & Rain Proof (3)
Rope, 50 m, Nylon, Olive Drab (1)
String, 100 m, Cotton, Olive Drab (1)
Carabineer, Locking "D", Black (1)
Satchel, Personal Effects (1)
Cleaning Kit, Weapons, Universal (1)
Camelback(1)
Patrol-Pack(1)


SMLE, Mk. 3, Cal. .30-06(4.17 kg)- 3
US Model 1917 revolver(1.3 kg)- 3

M97 Trench Gun(3.96 kg)

OR

M1A1 Thompson Submachine Gun(4.77 kg)

Browning Automatic Rifle(8.55 kg)

OR

M79 Grenade Launcher, with Grenadiers Kit(5 kg)

Glen
January 18th, 2006, 03:24 AM
Your rangers will be compensated for the use of their weight allocation at a future date.

Matt
January 18th, 2006, 03:26 AM
Your rangers will be compensated for the use of their weight allocation at a future date.


Thank you sir, This list is the "minor end" items. I still need to compile a list for heavier things like GP tents, Heavy weapons, things that I need to build a base of operationes, etc etc.

SionEwig
January 18th, 2006, 04:18 AM
Thank you sir, This list is the "minor end" items. I still need to compile a list for heavier things like GP tents, Heavy weapons, things that I need to build a base of operationes, etc etc.

Here is a very good site for that stuff, weights and all. Just don't get the poles, we can make them LOL. Also you might want to add a shelter half set for each Ranger (not a individual half, but a full set).

http://www.armytents.com/

Matt
January 18th, 2006, 04:18 AM
Here is a very good site for that stuff, weights and all. Just don't get the poles, we can make them LOL. Also you might want to add a shelter half set for each Ranger (not a individual half, but a full set).

http://www.armytents.com/

Knew I forgot something!!

SionEwig
January 18th, 2006, 04:21 AM
Knew I forgot something!!

Also, remove any compass, maps, and such equipment from the Lieutenants lists.