ATL New Days

[Ward]

I will post what is happing for the next day at 00:01 EDST and it will open at that time and close when the next one opens .

Should we have more events per day or not .

And should we add the finding of food as an event or not .

what types of events should be posted .

[Bety]

I am new to AH (not really new to AH, I have posted to chat on various occasions, but I am new regarding other AH topics) I like this tread but what are the rules?

[Norbert]

I am new to AH and like this tread but what are the rules?

Do what you think you would do, but try to be realistic in what you are accomplishing. Pretty much, it is a Roleplaying Game, where your character is yourself, but healed of any defects you may have (such as diseases, bad vision and so on).

[Ward]

I am new to AH (not really new to AH, I have posted to chat on various occasions, but I am new regarding other AH topics) I like this tread but what are the rules?


Well read how we got here and just start posting . Rember Ever member of the board has come over .
This game is open to all board members and they can post as often as they want .or as little as they want .

Oh just don't insult anyone the same rules are in play here as anywere on the board .

[Bety]

I understand that - but there are so many threads that deal with a same thing - should I conform to all off them?

[jolo]

I understand that - but there are so many threads that deal with a same thing - should I conform to all off them?

Try your best, or just post what you like would contribute to the development. The day threads ("alt day x") are the most important to know atm. If it doesn't fit, people will tell you - believe me that... :)

[Bety]

I am silly.
But my question is.
Should I create my own reality not regarding other members.
or
Sholuld I do it regarding others and than what are do rules?

I was confused for a long time, but ward is little near my age so maybe he can advise another almost senior...

[Flocculencio]

I am silly.
But my question is.
Should I create my own reality not regarding other members.
or
Sholuld I do it regarding others and than what are do rules?

Well, basically at first you get put in the same location as the rest of us- after that what you do is up to you. You can stay with the main group (which is preparing to move North to better agricultural ground), stick with one of the other groups (e.g. Jolo who is planning to stay at the original location) or strike off on your own (like Napoleon)

[Bety]

Just to get me correct - we are 3000 BC or our calendar?

[Norbert]

Just to get me correct - we are 3000 BC or our calendar?

Ah, the date. Mid Feburary, 3000 BC, South of San Francisco California (but still in the Bay area). You are only six years older than I am, though. If you have a family, your spouse, children, and grand children and their spouses are coming, also.

The ASB are leting us take 1 Large Animal and 1 med Animal Per member of the Board .

We are allowed 1,200 Lbs for the large Animal . And 100 lbs for everyone who is coming over with us . We are also alowed 40Lbs for each Aduilt that comes along that they can carry besides this is clothing and any small animals we want to carry plus any other ideams we want to carry .

Rember if you live at home your parents and siblings are comeing along also.
If you have children and Grand children they are comeing also .

If you live alone you may bring a clone of any one member of the opposit sex with you . That is is you are over 18 years old .

So start listing what you and your family group will bring and who you are bring with you .

Rember the ASB Will move what we list on skids to are site . But they will mark are names on are skids so we can only unload are own skids .

Refer to the 'What You Are Taking' thread, and maybe the 'So Major Items' thread to get an idea of what to bring. If you are a good farmer or gardener, bring items for that. If you are a good builder, bring things for that.

[Bety]

Thanks, I have a large family to go with me if I am to decide anything.
Dogs are big animals?
Please any reference to any posted material is usefull, but I still have my duties at work and home....I cannot play online....
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Ah, the date. Mid <Feburary, 3000 BC, South of San Francisco California (but still in the Bay area). You are only six years older than I am, though. If you have a family, your spouse, children, and grand children and their spouses are coming, also.

The ASB are leting us take 1 Large Animal and 1 med Animal Per member of the Board .

We are allowed 1,200 Lbs for the large Animal . And 100 lbs for everyone who is coming over with us . We are also alowed 40Lbs for each Aduilt that comes along that they can carry besides this is clothing and any small animals we want to carry plus any other ideams we want to carry .

Rember if you live at home your parents and siblings are comeing along also.
If you have children and Grand children they are comeing also .

If you live alone you may bring a clone of any one member of the opposit sex with you . That is is you are over 18 years old .

So start listing what you and your family group will bring and who you are bring with you .

Rember the ASB Will move what we list on skids to are site . But they will mark are names on are skids so we can only unload are own skids .

Refer to the 'What You Are Taking' thread, and maybe the 'So Major Items' thread to get an idea of what to bring. If you are a good farmer or gardener, bring items for that. If you are a good builder, bring things for that.

[Flocculencio]

Thanks, I have a large family to go with me if I am to decide anything.
Dogs are big animals?

Dogs count as small-medium animals.
Big animals count as things around the size of a horse or cow.

[Norbert]

Thanks, I have a large family to go with me if I am to decide anything.
Dogs are big animals?

Dogs are Medium Animals. Big animals are Horses, Cows, Llamas. Sheep and Goats are also medium. Chickens can be carried, and do not count on the Big/Medium Animal Limits.

[Bety]

I have just final question - first wife of my husband lives in a separate house - it is not a long distance from ours - can I take her?

[Ward]

I have just final question - first wife of my husband lives in a separate house - it is not a long distance from ours - can I take her?


Do you realy want to share your husban with her ?

[Bety]

Do you realy want to share your husban with her ?
well I share her since 1981 - she gave birth to my hudbands second child.
Otherwise - I will bring no morning breakfeast to any man. Last time I did it my husband was kissing his future (first in legal sense) wife.

But share is on emotial level.
In case you want disscuss other levels ...I wiil consider them - but i hope this is not a erotic site - please leave it measure my children above some limits can read it (my philosphy is 'truth', so every one in my family can read what I write)

[Darkest]

Ward, I don't think that we should have events where people do things. It should be stuff like animal attacks, Amerindian attacks, and accidents.

Also, remember that Amerindians are very sparse in California. Shouldn't be too many events including them.

[Bety]

Can we just make a call? Like something important is happenig, please come?
Or shall we limit to what -
all people present - then give precise time - I think we can cope with this.

[Psychomeltdown]

Also, remember that Amerindians are very sparse in California. Shouldn't be too many events including them.
Actually i think the reverse would be true.

Consider the place we're at. It's practically a paradise. Great weather, plentiful food, game, migratory birds, etc. It's not like other place, such as further east were a lot of the time is spent trying to find food, this is a place where game can be plentiful and you don't need a whole lot of your time devoted to basic survival.

We're probably living in one of the "hot spots" population wise.

i think we'll be dealing a lot more with the locals.

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[Doctor What]

Actually i think the reverse would be true.

Consider the place we're at. It's practically a paradise. Great weather, plentiful food, game, migratory birds, etc. It's not like other place, such as further east were a lot of the time is spent trying to find food, this is a place where game can be plentiful and you don't need a whole lot of your time devoted to basic survival.

We're probably living in one of the "hot spots" population wise.

i think we'll be dealing a lot more with the locals.

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We would have had very few interactions with the locals if it wasn't for First Contact. Remember--hunter/gatherer societies--even under ideal locations like the one we're in now--could have sustained ~2 people/sq mile, so the bands were miles apart. We really could have gone days without meeting anyone.

But now we have at least two bands (one friendly--one not so friendly) that is aware of our existence. It's very common for such bands to intermarry outside the group into another band so it is quite conceivable that every band we meet has relatives in half a dozen other bands. They hunt and fish and move in the same areas so odds are that they run into each other every now and then anyway. With the weird appearance of us, you can bet that news and gossip of us will spread even faster now.

Plus--if we start trading with them (even if it's just knives)--those knives are going to end up in the hands of other groups through trade and stuff--and you can bet that even if those groups haven't heard of our existence, they're going to be looking for the source of the knives soon enough.

Story about Australian Aborigines--the europeans traded steel axes with the locals on the coast. Eventually they started organizing expeditions into the interior. In the deepest parts of the interior--where no european has ever set foot--they found some of the locals using...steel axes. Those axes had been passed from band to band until they ended up 1000 miles away from where they were originally handed out.

Most of the natives in California already have some kind of limited trade with one another--plus there's the Desert Culture just over the Rockies and there's that group down in Mexico screwing around with growing crops....

[Psychomeltdown]

There's also areas where they don't have to move.

I remember reading about a tribe the basically had settled in one area for generations upon generations, due to the fact that there was a food source that was always there. It was a shellfish I think.

This culture had the beginnings of rulers and the like and they didn't even practice agriculture beyond gathering nuts.

Millions of bird migrate through SFB, possibly thousands upon thousands of seals have colonies there, nuts and the like grow thick in the trees, there's the distinct possibility that these people don't really have to move about too often. maybe shift from one part of the bay to the other when the season changes.

[Doctor What]

I remember reading about that shellfish eating group--they had stayed in one area so long that their garbage dump was some really ridiculously height (~ 20 feet or something).

Mind you--just because they stay in one area doesn't mean that they won't trade with someone over the next hill or in the next valley--there's always something that somebody somewhere has that you can use.

Of course--our appearance will be completely altering the lifestyles of every group in a 50 mile radius just in the first few years...

[Psychomeltdown]

Oh, I know they'll be trading.

It's just that we not be running into groups that are completely hunter/gatherer types. there might be a few large permanent settlements thereabouts.

[Flocculencio]

Seeing your points: this is why I tried to diffrentiate the two tribes of the "Coastal" and the "Hill" Miwok. The former have semi-permanent shore villages and the latter jealously guard their inland hunting grounds.

[pisces74]

I will post what is happing for the next day at 00:01 EDST and it will open at that time and close when the next one opens .

Should we have more events per day or not .

IMO no the trial, the elections, and preparing for the move should be the hallmark for the next couple of "days" remember the camp will start smelling like a diarrhetic monkey.

And should we add the finding of food as an event or not .

Food gathering should be a personal level, just make a personal note on how you're getting your food, personal stores, communal stores, or hunting.

what types of events should be posted .

Whatever affects the community as a whole, with random events sent to certain people via PM if they actually go out and explore away from the main body of the board, as long as they're willing to take the responsibility of the risk.

[Psychomeltdown]

Preparations for the Great Hunt is to begin on Day 4. Food is a main concern, we can't just ignore that.

It take about 9000 lbs of food a day to keep us all going. With our own stores we've got 45 days, now 41. It'll be at least a month before we can move, therefore we can't just ignore the whole food situation.

[jolo]

Preparations for the Great Hunt is to begin on Day 4. Food is a main concern, we can't just ignore that.

It take about 9000 lbs of food a day to keep us all going. With our own stores we've got 45 days, now 41. It'll be at least a month before we can move, therefore we can't just ignore the whole food situation.

Hunting should easily give us 2000 lbs a day - that's the weight of a single larger animal.

Fishing should add at least the same - it's also not too much to expect.

Gathering should get us another 1000 lbs.

A few of the animals will have to be slaughtered every once in a while - thinking about the pigs, the male horses, donkeys, cattle, and a few others, I suppose we can get an average of 500 lbs a day without reducing the growth of the herd.

Survival foods like tree barks and algae should give us another 1000 lbs a day, even if just suitable as an ingredient in soups or the likes, for the more survivalist among us.

There might be some food from trade with the natives.

That'll stretch our supplies to at least 120 days - which is when many of the (male) animals aren't needed anymore, and the first harvests of the faster growing plants can be expected.

Also, as Ian's Fort will be up and running a month earlier, we'll probably be able to give away some of our stored foods when yours should get too low.

[Norbert]

Preparations for the Great Hunt is to begin on Day 4. Food is a main concern, we can't just ignore that.

It take about 9000 lbs of food a day to keep us all going. With our own stores we've got 45 days, now 41. It'll be at least a month before we can move, therefore we can't just ignore the whole food situation.

Use my previous stated figures, doubled, with the exclusions made by Dr What of the Ground Sloth. Shoot me the numbers, and I can do a rough average of the meat gained from some of my resources I have.

Also, an inquery should be made whether: A: Did someone bring any of the Large fishing nets, and/or B: Does anyone know how to make netting?
If we can come up with a net 8 ft by about 30 or 40 foot, we may be able to do a fish drive (for lack of a better term). That is to say, string the net across a shallow river, and people go up stream about a quarter mile, line up across the river, and start making noise heading down towards the net, trapping the fish in the net, and then its a matter of bringing the net in and harvesting the fish, which could be smoked or dried the same way we are planning to do with the meat. The potential would be up to a couple of tons of fish (or more, they are virgin rivers).

[Psychomeltdown]

Hunting should easily give us 2000 lbs a day - that's the weight of a single larger animal. What single large animal? A bear only weighs about 1000 lbs. and they're not running in herds and easy to kill. A deer will probably fetch you about 50 - 75 lbs of meat if its nice an plump. rabbits are less than 5, birds are only a couple.

Fishing should add at least the same - it's also not too much to expect. we'll be hoping that the rivers are swimming with fish, afterall it's winter.

Gathering should get us another 1000 lbs. Gathering what? It's winter! Fall nuts are already gone.

A few of the animals will have to be slaughtered every once in a while - thinking about the pigs, the male horses, donkeys, cattle, and a few others, I suppose we can get an average of 500 lbs a day without reducing the growth of the herd. small animals, pigs and chickens, yes. But not the HOrSES! We'll be needing every large animal we can get. They're a labor source!

Survival foods like tree barks and algae should give us another 1000 lbs a day, even if just suitable as an ingredient in soups or the likes, for the more survivalist among us. yeah but it's a last resort kind of thing. Hopefully we won't get that far.

There might be some food from trade with the natives. Hopefully. they can show us where to get food, etc.

That'll stretch our supplies to at least 120 days - which is when many of the (male) animals aren't needed anymore, and the first harvests of the faster growing plants can be expected. animals are a labor saving device. We need everyone we can spare.

Also, as Ian's Fort will be up and running a month earlier, we'll probably be able to give away some of our stored foods when yours should get too low.
last time I checked you guys were only have about 15 days of food left, if you're not sharing in the Great Hunt. Your crops won't even be in for at least 5 months.

[Ghost 88]

Hunting should easily give us 2000 lbs a day - that's the weight of a single larger animal.

Fishing should add at least the same - it's also not too much to expect.

Gathering should get us another 1000 lbs.

A few of the animals will have to be slaughtered every once in a while - thinking about the pigs, the male horses, donkeys, cattle, and a few others, I suppose we can get an average of 500 lbs a day without reducing the growth of the herd.

Survival foods like tree barks and algae should give us another 1000 lbs a day, even if just suitable as an ingredient in soups or the likes, for the more survivalist among us.

There might be some food from trade with the natives.

That'll stretch our supplies to at least 120 days - which is when many of the (male) animals aren't needed anymore, and the first harvests of the faster growing plants can be expected.

Also, as Ian's Fort will be up and running a month earlier, we'll probably be able to give away some of our stored foods when yours should get too low.
Jolo what single large animal in North America weighs 2000 lbs? the largest I know of aside from the Grizzly bear (or Moose that doesn't range this far south afaik)is the Elk and its not going to dress out anywhere near that. We might get 200lbs from larger game but not a whole lot more. By the way I'm dicounting animals that are extinct in NA to day also forgot the buffalo but its range is the better part of 1000 miles east of the SF Bay area.:) :)

[Doctor What]

Also, an inquery should be made whether: A: Did someone bring any of the Large fishing nets, and/or B: Does anyone know how to make netting?
If we can come up with a net 8 ft by about 30 or 40 foot, we may be able to do a fish drive (for lack of a better term). That is to say, string the net across a shallow river, and people go up stream about a quarter mile, line up across the river, and start making noise heading down towards the net, trapping the fish in the net, and then its a matter of bringing the net in and harvesting the fish, which could be smoked or dried the same way we are planning to do with the meat. The potential would be up to a couple of tons of fish (or more, they are virgin rivers).

Part of the 'standard package' that Psycho and others were using has 300 feet heavy nylon rope. Can that be used?

[jolo]

What single large animal? A bear only weighs about 1000 lbs. and they're not running in herds and easy to kill. A deer will probably fetch you about 50 - 75 lbs of meat if its nice an plump. rabbits are less than 5, birds are only a couple.


I looked it up. The bears to be expected in the area won't be more than 1500 lbs, 1000 is a good average. Deer are heavier, especially if there should be any elks in the area - up to 1000 lbs, of which 500 should be usable. Buffalos or the likes might also roam around, though I'm not sure. And of the smaller animals there should be more.


we'll be hoping that the rivers are swimming with fish, afterall it's winter.


The bay and the ocean definitely will be. Also, the winter shouldn't be too much of a problem in this area.


Gathering what? It's winter! Fall nuts are already gone.


Thanks to the mild climate, I'd expect quite a few plants in the area.


small animals, pigs and chickens, yes. But not the HOrSES! We'll be needing every large animal we can get. They're a labor source!


Some of them will get broken bones, illnesses, or they collapse due to exhaustion. Nothing we can do about it.


yeah but it's a last resort kind of thing. Hopefully we won't get that far.


I'd propose to start eating it before it gets too late - it's easier to have a little bit of it together with more tasty stuff, than to have nothing else later.


animals are a labor saving device. We need everyone we can spare.


After the worst work is done, we probably won't need that many anymore, even if they might be helpful. And of the calves, we'll only need very few male ones. The others can be slaughtered whenever food gets scarce.


last time I checked you guys were only have about 15 days of food left, if you're not sharing in the Great Hunt. Your crops won't even be in for at least 5 months.


Last time I checked we were at the same average than the rest of everyone. That's 41 days. I even have more, as I concentrated on dry food and helped plundering Ian's apartment :) - though I sold some of it. The first crops should be in after about 2 months, with each following month bringing another kind of crop. I also think we'll make enough food on fishing, hunting, and trading. And especially of the fish we'll have enough to share. Once we know we have enough food, we can also give away lots of dry foods - if that should ever happen. Btw., a lot of industrial foods contain a high percentage of normal wood - cheap and healthy.

I also brought along some fishing gear.

[Norbert]

Part of the 'standard package' that Psycho and others were using has 300 feet heavy nylon rope. Can that be used?

Some of it could be unbraided, but I personally know nothing of making nets.

[jolo]

A method I saw in a movie was using baskets to get the fish once they were "herded" together.

[Norbert]

A method I saw in a movie was using baskets to get the fish once they were "herded" together.

Good Idea! A bit of knowledge for Ward to teach. I know he actually did take 'basket weaving' in college! (He says he thought it would be a easy credit, but was one of the hardest classes to complete!)

[jolo]

Good Idea! A bit of knowledge for Ward to teach. I know he actually did take 'basket weaving' in college! (He says he thought it would be a easy credit, but was one of the hardest classes to complete!)

Baskets will also be available from the Amerindians.