ALT Vote for Glen Finney to be chaiman

[Ward]

Should Glen Be the Chairman of the Council of Elders
or what ever we call the Government

[Soyuz]

What qualifications does he have?

[Ward]

What qualifications does he have?


He is not me . And he has more time on his hands than I do in the Game ,

[Othniel]

I'd preffered that we had waited for other nominees, and for MBarry and Floc to get back...I kinda wanted to nominate Floc...

[Soyuz]

He is not me . And he has more time on his hands than I do in the Game ,
Uh, I was obviously asking Glen.

Glen, what qualifications do you have to be our overlord?

[Othniel]

Well, he's an MD, which means he's qualified for elsewhere better...

[Psychomeltdown]

Uh, I was obviously asking Glen.
Actually you weren't obviously asking Glen. if you were you'd have said "What qualifications do you have, Glen?" :D
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He's a doctor. I think he'd be spending a lot of his time teaching and healing, little time for whatever.


I suggest WARD.

i'm sure his sons can handle the work of starting up the agriculture. Ward's full of good ideas and I'm sure he'll know where to lead the group.

WARD in 3000 BCE!

[Glen]

Well....

I am a member of the board for my state specialty society

board member for the legislative affairs committee of my national specialty society

recent member of my party's county executive committee

I have chaired house of delegates for a national medical student association comprised of several hundred medical students

two time leadership fellow for my specialty

previous experience in model united nations, public speaking, and debate

Other various committee chair assignments in past, including reference committees for resolutions in national organizations

And I have my own copy of Robert's Rules of Order...:eek:

[Ghost 88]

whats your specialty

[Soyuz]

Actually you weren't obviously asking Glen. if you were you'd have said "What qualifications do you have, Glen?"
Lol, right.

He's a doctor. I think he'd be spending a lot of his time teaching and healing, little time for whatever.
Good, then I'd rather nominate him God... er... Minister of Medicine, if there isn't anyone esle for the job.

Well....

I am a member of the board for my state specialty society

board member for the legislative affairs committee of my national specialty society

recent member of my party's county executive committee

I have chaired house of delegates for a national medical student association comprised of several hundred medical students

two time leadership fellow for my specialty

previous experience in model united nations, public speaking, and debate

Other various committee chair assignments in past, including reference committees for resolutions in national organizations

And I have my own copy of Robert's Rules of Order...
Glen, that's terrible. Now the only place I'd safely put you is mud shoveling. Otherwise you'll be our dictator for life before we can blink.

[Glen]

whats your specialty

Neurology:D :D :D

[Glen]

If asked to be chairman of the coucil, I would still retain the portfolio of minister for health and medicine.

I would see my duty as primarily to facilitate the meetings so they flow smoothly, relying on my fellow members to know their stuff. Probably the one ability I should have above theirs is to break ties.

I could also chair general meetings, keep them running smoothly (this is something that experience is useful for).

So, since I would be at the council and general meetings presumably anyway, being chair would not be that much excess burden of time.

I prefer to let people do their jobs, rather than micromanage.

And I have no ambition to be dictator for life...

[Ghost 88]

Glen, Thanks you kept saying my specialty as if you thought we who didn't know it already would laugh if they found out (ya no like proctologist or sumthin):D

[Norbert]

:D If asked to be chairman of the coucil, I would still retain the portfolio of minister for health and medicine.

I would see my duty as primarily to facilitate the meetings so they flow smoothly, relying on my fellow members to know their stuff. Probably the one ability I should have above theirs is to break ties.

I could also chair general meetings, keep them running smoothly (this is something that experience is useful for).

So, since I would be at the council and general meetings presumably anyway, being chair would not be that much excess burden of time.

I prefer to let people do their jobs, rather than micromanage.

And I have no ambition to be dictator for life...

The first part are good qualifications, the last is the best qualification. Especially if it is true!:p

[Dave Howery]

He's got my vote.... as he says, he's more of an arbitrator, not a dictator...

[schrammy]

sound like he has the needed expiriance hes got my vote aswell

[Flocculencio]

I'd preffered that we had waited for other nominees, and for MBarry and Floc to get back...I kinda wanted to nominate Floc...

Wow! :) Thanks but I'd have declined the nomination anyway. I don't have the right personality for the job and anyway my Ranger role is a full time commitment. :D

Glen's a good choice but before I vote I'd like to hear other nominees.

I nominate Bulgaroktonos.

[Soyuz]

Three representativesfor the farmers under the sky,
Seven for the builders in their halls of stone,
Nine for Mortal militia doomed to die,
One for the miners in their dark work
In the Land of Ianopolis where the Shadows lie.
And one man to rule them all, one man to find them,
One man to bring them all, and Glen Finney to bind them

...

But then, what the heck, I'll vote yes, at least I know your platform.

[pisces74]

Though it pains me to do so, I'm going to vote no. We have a severe deficency in medical personel and Glen is just to important to be grand high puba ironically.

[SionEwig]

Well....




And I have my own copy of Robert's Rules of Order...:eek:

You brought one also, oh crap now we have trouble.:D

[Bulgaroktonos]

I nominate Bulgaroktonos.

I'm flattered you'd nominate me.

[Flocculencio]

I'm flattered you'd nominate me.

Well, you are the man with the loudspeaker :D

[Bulgaroktonos]

Well, you are the man with the loudspeaker :D

That's true.

[Gerard-ABC]

Ok, seems like he's suitable. I vote for him also.


Regards,
Gerard

[Flocculencio]

Maybe another thread should be set up for other nominations?

I think Glen's a good choice but as our only Doctor I think his time would be better spent on medical duties. As Pices said, he's too valuable to be the Mayor (if I may suggest that title for the head of government?)

[SionEwig]

Maybe another thread should be set up for other nominations?

I think Glen's a good choice but as our only Doctor I think his time would be better spent on medical duties. As Pices said, he's too valuable to be the Mayor (if I may suggest that title for the head of government?)

Heck, I'd like to see us RP out the meeting the first night that has been suggested.

But yes, we need a general thread for other nominations as well as later a poll for the actual vote.

I will still go with Glen for Mayor though, one - it's not me :D, second - except for the teaching side hopefully Glen will not be that busy as a doctor, and third - I would really rather have a mayor who from the beginning considers the office to be a part time job.

[GBW]

As Pices said, he's too valuable to be the Mayor (if I may suggest that title for the head of government?)
What of when our civilization gets larger, though?

[Flocculencio]

What of when our civilization gets larger, though?

Well it's an elected position so he can always take it up later

[jolo]

What of when our civilization gets larger, though?

As we are already planning on 2 settlements and some more outposts, I'd propose the title of "Gouvernor". The local regional leaders are mayors, the functional leaders are secretaries.

[Straha]

Govenor is too simplistic. Try something like Grand Govenor or magnus foir a better title.

[Norbert]

The title Grand Governor or something else like that may go to the head of whoever holds it. I kindof liked the story where the President of the United States was assigned the position, and usually had to be dragged kicking and screaming to office. Someone who could do the job, but was just as glad it was over when the term ended. Personally, I've never liked 95% of the people running for political office here in the US, to eager to get in and usually they end up abusing their office.

[GBW]

I kindof liked the story where the President of the United States was assigned the position, and usually had to be dragged kicking and screaming to office.
Some sort of Council of the the people in charge of the various projects, like the Rangers and Militia, Lumber, Farming, Fishing, Construction, Herding, etc., choosing an able person to the executive position? None of the Council members themselves would be eligible. Perhaps the Council members themselves would be elected and each candidate required to have a set amount of experience in their respective field so that they'll be competent?

[Psychomeltdown]

I still would like to have Ward as Gov'nor or whatever we're calling it.

1. He's old military

2. He's got plenty of practical knowledge

His sons can be the ones that teach the settlers how to farm and how to do what they need to do, easily enough. Glen's gonna be too busy teaching and healing, IMO.

[Soyuz]

Some sort of Council of the the people in charge of the various projects, like the Rangers and Militia, Lumber, Farming, Fishing, Construction, Herding, etc., choosing an able person to the executive position? None of the Council members themselves would be eligible. Perhaps the Council members themselves would be elected and each candidate required to have a set amount of experience in their respective field so that they'll be competent?
Right now our primary goal is survival, and setting up the settlement quickly. We don't need the most skillful politicians, we need the most skillful experts in power. Our best chance of having the best start is recognizing those people and putting them in charge of their fields, and not a loudmouth beurocrat who can promise the most. So to do that, maybe we can appoint a small commitee to pick out the most experienced individuals. We can elect the committee, but the people in it should not longer be eligiable to be selected for office. How's that?

P.S. Yes, I too doubt about Glen's duality of a job if he's elected. Nobody should hold more than 1 position.

[GBW]

Well, I was talking about the future. At the moment it's rather clear who the most experienced in each field are.

[pisces74]

after much diliberation I propose a commitee which would meet once a week to discuss settlement goals as thus. Chairmen nominated thusly.

Mbarry/Weapon M : minister of war

Ward : minister of interior and defense

Glen: Ministery of science

Psychomeltdown: foriegn relations

Darkest 90: Mayor and youth indoctrination. Think city planner/ scoutmaster/ and otherwise youthful statesman.

That frees up enough time for the teachers to teach, and the doctors to doc.

[Norbert]

after much diliberation I propose a commitee which would meet once a week to discuss settlement goals as thus.

Mbarry/Weapon M : minister of war

Ward : minister of interior and defense

Glen: Ministery of science

Psychomeltdown: foriegn relations

Darkest 90: Mayor and youth indoctrination. Think city planner/ scoutmaster/ and otherwise youthful statesman.

That frees up enough time for the teachers to teach, and the doctors to doc.

Though he is not really that active, add Doctor What to Ministry of Science or Interior

[Forum Lurker]

I think I'd like a public statement from D90 that religion will not be involved, one way or another, in his official capacity; not that he seems like a frothing fanatic, but he has mentioned on several occasions that he's an active member of what he describes as a proselytizing faith.

[Flocculencio]

Govenor is too simplistic. Try something like Grand Govenor or magnus foir a better title.

Yes but Grand Governor or Magnus sound like something out of a banana republic :)

How about Archon? Or just plain old President.

[Matt]

Mbarry/Weapon M : minister of war




Rather have M. Although I seem to be in charge of the Rangers, such duties would keep me in the field alot. Beside's I already report to M.

[Flocculencio]

Yeah WeaponM should be in overall command of the Militia and Rangers.

[pisces74]

I agree but I'd rather have someone whos playing have the post.

[Ward]

I'm willing to take the chairmen ship of the councal of elders .

But I want us to have to be voted on every 6 mo's
And if WeponM is incharge of the military force lets have MBarry run him as a NPC .

[Psychomeltdown]

Psychomeltdown: foriegn relations

Huh, how'd that happen?

I think I'd be more Chief Herder.

Plus didn't Hendryk say that he'd be more incline to be the one speaking to Natives and trying to hammer out things?

[Matt]

I'm willing to take the chairmen ship of the councal of elders .

But I want us to have to be voted on every 6 mo's
And if WeponM is incharge of the military force lets have MBarry run him as a NPC .


Works for me.

[Doctor What]

Huh, how'd that happen?

I think I'd be more Chief Herder.

Plus didn't Hendryk say that he'd be more incline to be the one speaking to Natives and trying to hammer out things?

True--but you are the only native (well--non NPC native) in the group. Seeing 'one of their own' might smooth out relations. Hendryk, myself and a few of the others can be advisors/confidants/assistant diplomats and so forth, I guess.

[Psychomeltdown]

True--but you are the only native (well--non NPC native) in the group. Seeing 'one of their own' might smooth out relations. Hendryk, myself and a few of the others can be advisors/confidants/assistant diplomats and so forth, I guess.
Sigh. I wanted to build up the herds, influence with my own culture and form a semi nomadic Herdsmen sub sect of the Community.

But if the community needs me, for my appearance, then I'll do what the Community needs me to do. Though pretty much anyone of Mexican descent can probably fill in, if they wanted.

[Matt]

Sigh. I wanted to build up the herds, influence with my own culture and form a semi nomadic Herdsmen sub sect of the Community.


Actually a I have my friend of mine who's being NPCed. He's very unsatisfied by modern life. I'm planning on having him join you :p

But if the community needs me, for my appearance, then I'll do what the Community needs me to do. Though pretty much anyone of Mexican descent can probably fill in, if they wanted.

Not Straha!

[Doctor What]

Sigh. I wanted to build up the herds, influence with my own culture and form a semi nomadic Herdsmen sub sect of the Community.

Why not accomplish both? Remember, once we've gained the trust of a few bands, they're the ones who are going to be doing all the hard work of running around telling their buddies what cool people we are. Have about (pulling a number out of the air here) 10-12 people as the 'first contact' team for the first couple of years so that the natives get used to interacting with different people (and that team can act as amateur anthropologists and bring back info to the rest of the group) then afterwards--once relations with neighbouring groups are running more or less smoothly--you can do your own thing.

But if the community needs me, for my appearance, then I'll do what the Community needs me to do. Though pretty much anyone of Mexican descent can probably fill in, if they wanted.

Well...I'm short and swarthy myself.... :rolleyes:

[GBW]

Well...I'm short and swarthy myself.... :rolleyes:
Reluctant to be a diplomat? Didn't we pack a suit with a coat with tails, a tophat, monacle and a sash? :D

[Flocculencio]

Reluctant to be a diplomat? Didn't we pack a suit with a coat with tails, a tophat, monacle and a sash? :D

If we research espionage we can upgrade him to a Spy!

[Othniel]

If we research espionage we can upgrade him to a Spy!Doctor What doesn't seem to be a Natasha to me though...:p

[Matt]

If we research espionage we can upgrade him to a Spy!


"Opition- Start a Revolt

Warning! Getting caught would mean an act of war!"

Fine then!

"Plant nuclear weapon...."

[Glen]

Some sort of Council of the the people in charge of the various projects, like the Rangers and Militia, Lumber, Farming, Fishing, Construction, Herding, etc.,

I think this a good way to start.

choosing an able person to the executive position? Are you suggesting having the council choose the chairman?

None of the Council members themselves would be eligible.

We have very few people overall...perhaps it would be best if the Chairman for at least the first year be part of the Council, at least if it is a weak executive rather than strong executive position. I think the entire governmental structure will need to be revamped in a year. Gives us time to think about it while we get about the very important business of establishing ourselves.

Perhaps the Council members themselves would be elected and each candidate required to have a set amount of experience in their respective field so that they'll be competent?

I think the most qualified person in each area that we have should hold the posts, and should identify themselves. If there is a clear choice (eg Ward for farming), we have the community give a confirmation vote. If there is a split as to who is best, we do a vote, after each candidate has a chance to briefly speak to their qualifications and priorities for the coming year.

[Glen]

Right now our primary goal is survival, and setting up the settlement quickly. We don't need the most skillful politicians, we need the most skillful experts in power. Our best chance of having the best start is recognizing those people and putting them in charge of their fields, and not a loudmouth beurocrat who can promise the most. So to do that, maybe we can appoint a small commitee to pick out the most experienced individuals. We can elect the committee, but the people in it should not longer be eligiable to be selected for office. How's that?

A committee search actually sounds like it would take longer than just having us get it done the first night. Most of the votes will be obvious, and those that aren't, well we take our best guess. If we don't like how someone is handling their job, we can always vote them out at the monthly meeting.

P.S. Yes, I too doubt about Glen's duality of a job if he's elected. Nobody should hold more than 1 position.

I am confident that I could serve as a chairman whose responsibilities would be to preside over the general meetings and the council meetings. I would have to attend these in my capacity as minister of medicine health etc, anyway. I'm also the member of the council most likely to have to remain in the main settlement most times, anyway, so would be available physically (we'll all be busy). And understand this; my goal will be to facilitate people doing what they are best at, and thus plan to delegate responsibility on the first line to those who are responsible for that area anyway. If you've got to talk about the military, you talk to MBarry or WeaponM, if you've got an issue about farming, go talk to Ward, etc. If it needs to be discussed at a higher level, it can be brought up at the council meetings (which will probably be nightly for at least the next several months, then weekly at least as things settle in), or if need be the general meetings. I don't believe we need a chief executive riding roughshod over everything that everyone is doing. That kind of micromanagement misses important things, as no one person has the skills, expertise, understanding, or even just the multitasking to see to it all.

So, if the chairmanship were to be run the way I envision doing it, it would not be more of a drain on my time than the ministry position itself (which I do consider vital that I hold initially). Trust me, there will be training aplenty getting done for our erstwhile medical students...a lot of their time this next few years is going to be spent reading anyway, to get the knowledge base. And with so few people, and with the ASBs fixing preexisting conditions, we should be okay here.

[Glen]

Okay, I didn't start this poll (Ward did), but its closed now and a majority voted for me to be chairman.

What does that mean? Should we accept this so we can move on with the game, or do we need something else?

[Ward]

Okay, I didn't start this poll (Ward did), but its closed now and a majority voted for me to be chairman.

What does that mean? Should we accept this so we can move on with the game, or do we need something else?


Let us use the vote and you are it .

[Grimm Reaper]

We need a chain of command and we need it now! We've had desertions, shootings, and once the Great Hunt goes off the locals are going to go crazy with fear and loathing.