how do you see the day spent

[Ward]

I would like to see every one put 7 hrs a day for the comunity .
Then I can see people spending the rest of the day working on there homestead . putting in there Garden working on there own projects and that .

I also would like to see everyone getting 5 arcers of land each for there homestead .

This is also lets us have 4 shifts of 7 hrs on .

[Flocculencio]

What do you mean by homestead?

Is everyone going to have an individual field of grain?

Because if thats is the case it might be a bit inefficient as compared to having large grain fields where the people with farming experience can coordinate things and direct people.

Or do you mean homestead as in some form of shelter and a vegetable garden?

Because I don't see how specialists like the medics and carpenters etc. are going to have time to do their work if they have to come home and farm their own fields too- the medics will be on call 24/7 and the carpenters will probably be spending most of the day working on making planks and other wooden implements and the hunters will be out for days at a time tracking down and killing game. Surely their work will entitle them to a portion of the communal harvest.

[Ward]

What do you mean by homestead?

Is everyone going to have an individual field of grain?

Because if thats is the case it might be a bit inefficient as compared to having large grain fields where the people with farming experience can coordinate things and direct people.

Or do you mean homestead as in some form of shelter and a vegetable garden?

Because I don't see how specialists like the medics and carpenters etc. are going to have time to do their work if they have to come home and farm their own fields too- the medics will be on call 24/7 and the carpenters will probably be spending most of the day working on making planks and other wooden implements and the hunters will be out for days at a time tracking down and killing game. Surely their work will entitle them to a portion of the communal harvest.

No we will have major fields for the major crops , but I see every one having a guarden that they have , or like the wood workers could build a building were the build things . I'm thinking long term about the 5 acres .

Lets take a hunter who is gone for 4 days that would count for 4 x14 hr days he has worked that would alow him 4 days of being home to do things to get his home ready .

Also if you have someone who is not use to hard work after 7 hrs they will be woren out . Also most privet plots will grow most of are food , Also thats were people who want to be grape growers can put there vines in with out asking some one else to help them .

This 7 hrs of community work gives everyone a equal share of the comunity food .

[Flocculencio]

No we will have major fields for the major crops , but I see every one having a guarden that they have , or like the wood workers could build a building were the build things . I'm thinking long term about the 5 acres .

Lets take a hunter who is gone for 4 days that would count for 4 x14 hr days he has worked that would alow him 4 days of being home to do things to get his home ready .

Also if you have someone who is not use to hard work after 7 hrs they will be woren out . Also most privet plots will grow most of are food , Also thats were people who want to be grape growers can put there vines in with out asking some one else to help them .

Sounds good :D

[Straha]

Well I don't see any problems with it

[Grimm Reaper]

Eventually we'll be more spread out but...

We should also include time for drilling and for training courses, perhaps an hour each beyond the group effort.

[Bulgaroktonos]

I'm trying to get people organized. I'm working on getting recruits together for Matt and Glen, and got Dominus started. I think our first focus should be on getting the people not doing something, doing something. We've got likely 20 recruits for the scouting expedition, another 30 for corralling the domestic animals like pigs, etc, and another 20 or so with Glen. So that leaves several hundred people milling about. That's fine for now, but we need to set up a group of people to get the ball rolling on how we are going to divide up labor.

[jolo]

For my settlement close to Ian's home, I'll propose a more modern approach - we can't let our civilisation be more backward than the one of the Amerindians surrounding us, who already have some kind of money.

Everyone will start off as a "businessman" or "businesswoman" doing what he likes or thinks to be promising. The fruits of that labour will be traded on a market.

Farmers have to pay the people they want to have, but there'll be credit for them by people like me and maybe the community.

I'll give all the bank notes I brought along to the community. An amount equalling a guesstimate of the resale value of our goods in dollars will be released for circulation. To be valid, the bills must be signed by the people who are elected to be in charge, by me, and by one or two other people who feel the need to control the amount of money. Half the money will be given to the people to start circulation (relative to the weight of their goods), the other half will stay with the community for community spending. Whenever prices drop, more money is released.

Every once in a while, we'll all meet (the ones who want to), and decide about which work needs to be done which doesn't directly return money - roads, sewage, and so on. Those jobs are distributed by down-bidding. Everyone has to regularly pay a certain amount of money for that (later, it'll be a flat income tax and other taxes).

There'll also regularly be auctions for rare or valuable goods.

Land we aquire will be distributed according to guidelines set by the community according to circumstances: Land bought by the community will usually be sold on auctions or kept for communal purposes. In the beginning, some land might be leased to farmers, for later or slow purchase. Later, land bought by individuals will be theirs. Land annexed in fighting will partly be community property and partly go to the people who joined in the fighting, or their heirs. If the fight was "illegal", the fighters won't get anything if I can see for that. To make sure the land is used, there will be a little property tax after a year or so.

For the few people who we'll probably be, it'll be easy to organize all this in a single gathering, probably after two or three days already.

[Lauranthalas]

I also would like to see everyone getting 5 arcers of land each for there homestead .


Just asking: are there actually 35 billion acres of land on this planet?

[Glen]

Sounds like jolo has just volunteered for treasury department :D

Good idea about collecting our uptime money to use in the interim as representing our actual capitol for trade. But you need to see how much cash we have before pegging a price to things.

This will only work as a short term fix, and only if everyone cooperates, however, since people could always hold back their uptime cash...

Land should be free, with eminent domain only applying for strict needs of the community, and verified by a majority vote of the entire community.

Ownership of property contingent upon real improvements to the property (ie, you can't just stake it off (though that is the first step), you've got to build on it or farm it or harvest it or something, not just claim big globs of land willy nilly).

[Othniel]

Well according to the homestead act you have to improve and maintain a property to which you homestead for a period of time before it is presented as yours completely. This will mean that you will have to build a house and fence it in before you can officilly say that amount of property is yours. Any unfeced property should be given a certain amount of undevolped property in order to deal with fair spacing.

[Psychomeltdown]

We'll have to find some good grazing land, with all the horses, cattle, sheep, donkeys, goats, etc. we have, we'll need plenty of grasses to feed them. i doubt anyone brought hay...

without hay, we're looking at a lot more time for the horses and other animals to be spending grazing, that means less time working.

[Dave Howery]

probably not hay, but I hope a lot of people are bringing some grass seed... fescue, or something like it... native CA grasses aren't all that great for grazing, and we need something better.... I'd suggest a few pounds of some kind of 'low water' lawn seed or something like that...

[Nicksplace27]

I would be a major hunter and fisher. I would probably set up my camp near the outskirts, but I will contribute to the main effort.

[Ward]

We'll have to find some good grazing land, with all the horses, cattle, sheep, donkeys, goats, etc. we have, we'll need plenty of grasses to feed them. i doubt anyone brought hay...

without hay, we're looking at a lot more time for the horses and other animals to be spending grazing, that means less time working.


I brought 20 lbs of alfa to plant .

[Psychomeltdown]

I brought 20 lbs of alfa to plant .
Damn as the Herder guy, I should have also brought alfalfa seeds. :(


I need to post my updated list...