ALT List your Professions/Skills

[Glen]

List here your professions/skills for ATL:

Glen Finney - Physician, researcher, some firearms skill.

[jolo]

Jolo - trade, everything in terms of technology, a little bit in many other areas. Besides the obvious things everyone will do, I'll try all kinds of things. In such a small community with so many needs, there should quickly be things I can concentrate on.

[Forum Lurker]

Forum Lurker: biological and physical sciences, most other skills negligible in comparison to professionals.

[Flocculencio]

Flocculencio- Teacher, trained NCO (infantry), combat medic (no active experience for the past three years).

[Dave Howery]

very basic knowledge of gardening, raising pigs and cattle; not a lot of depth in detail though.
Fairly knowledgable about muzzleloading firearms... I can't make one, but I can use one and take care of it...
built lots of pole fences in my younger days... peeled new poles, drilled holes, mounted them, dug postholes, etc... could probably do it again, or help someone younger do it (they can do the digging.. :) )
Did lots of deer and duck hunting in my younger days too...

[Glen]

Jolo - trade, everything in terms of technology, a little bit in many other areas. Besides the obvious things everyone will do, I'll try all kinds of things. In such a small community with so many needs, there should quickly be things I can concentrate on.

I don't understand what you are saying.

[Glen]

If people have served in the military, please indicate your highest rank while in service in a combat unit (if applicable).

[Flocculencio]

3rd Sergeant- basically equivalent to the lowest grade of sergeant in the American or British systems- I'm not too sure what the actual equivalent rank is. As a combat medic I was trained as a Paramedic Level II but I don't know if that means anything in the American system of paramdeic training.

[Ward]

Farming Military Rank combat arm E-6
most home repair skills If need be I could build a house . Electrical , pluming,
some masonry , laying of tile ,
mecanics
Woodworking
Cutting of wood
I daughter in law was trained as a phicial theapist in Sweden
My wife is a farmers wife she knows cannong , sewing , cooking and guardneing
other Daughter in law is a house wife learning to be a farmers wife.
Daughter is a teacher of math and high school scince
Son one is retired army NCO Inf , and now a farmer E- 7 Ranger
Son two is a lawer served in the Golf war as a medical Officer . Like's to
work with wood .
Youngest son raised on a farm and Eagle Scout
Son in Law Mantance man in a factory ( machine repair )

[Dave Howery]

Gawd... let's just elect Ward to be king now, shall we?.... :)

[Flocculencio]

Actually, just for info, the girl I'm planning to bring along is a teacher too. Training for primary school, unlike me so she'll probably be even more useful in handling the kiddies.

[Glen]

Farming Military Rank combat arm E-6
most home repair skills If need be I could build a house . Electrical , pluming,
some masonry , laying of tile ,
mecanics
Woodworking
Cutting of wood
I daughter in law was trained as a phicial theapist in Sweden
My wife is a farmers wife she knows cannong , sewing , cooking and guardneing
other Daughter in law is a house wife learning to be a farmers wife.
Daughter is a teacher of math and high school scince
Son one is retired army NCO Inf , and now a farmer E- 7 Ranger
Son two is a lawer served in the Golf war as a medical Officer . Like's to
work with wood .
Youngest son raised on a farm and Eagle Scout
Son in Law Mantance man in a factory ( machine repair )

You think either your D-in-L PT or your Medical Officer son would like to enter into medicine as a career? FL probably is going to be one, but we could use at least one other...

[Glen]

Gawd... let's just elect Ward to be king now, shall we?.... :)

No kings!;)

[Ward]

No kings!;)




I will not take the crown if offered it .

[Flocculencio]

I will not take the crown if offered it .

George Washington reborn :D

[Glen]

George Washington reborn :D


Must...chop...WOOD!!!!

[Ward]

Must...chop...WOOD!!!!


Must make wine choping wood is to much work.

[Glen]

Must make wine choping wood is to much work.

Hey, someone definitely needs to bring some vines...Napa is just to the North of us...

[Bulgaroktonos]

I was thinking the same thing Glen.

As to my skills:

Slight skills in Firearms
Organizational skills (I have a tendency to end up as the leader in group situations)
General know-how: I have a vast collection of random knowledge spawned out of reading various books etc.
Some electronics knowledge
Some Carpentry ability
Fireman
CPR training

[Dave Howery]

You think either your D-in-L PT or your Medical Officer son would like to enter into medicine as a career? FL probably is going to be one, but we could use at least one other...
Torquemada is an EMT, isn't he? He'd be a good candidate...

[Glen]

Torquemada is an EMT, isn't he? He'd be a good candidate...

Yeah, that's a possibility as well.

We'll just have to figure it out..I want two people, I think. More if we can spare them, but definitely two trainees...

[Fellatio Nelson]

I am well educated, not very squeamish and also a quick learner.

I would very much like to be considered for the position of Loblolly Boy.

[Dave Howery]

I would very much like to be considered for the position of Loblolly Boy.
I know I shouldn't ask... but... Loblolly boy?

[Fellatio Nelson]

I know I shouldn't ask... but... Loblolly boy?

Not that weird, actually ... he was the surgeon's assistant who used to take away the amputated limbs etc. aboard ships. :D

[Darkest]

Darkest90's "Carpenter" Clan
Mind if I use my last name? Okay, my dad has experience in carpentry (haha) and woodcutting. In fact, it's in our blood. He also has some good technical experience, if we are ever up to wiring or what-not.
My mom has a degree in cooking, though I am not so sure how helpful that would be with the limited food we have.
My twin brother and I are eagle scouts.
My sisters... well no real skills on their part, sorry.

What We Should Do With This Informaton
I propose that we use this to take a census of everyone's skills. I will create an Excel document to find percentages of who has what in their skills. Then, for all the people who will be NPCs, I will use these percentages to figure out what they can do.

To keep the active players special, we'll have 50% of the NPCs have percentages analogous to this first test group, and not as experienced as the active players, but definitely showing useful talent. The other 50% will be average American-European stock (well, we'll use percentages of race to figure that out).

It's important we take a census for a number of different categories, if we follow this plan. I propose race, religion, age, family size, and skills. We can do the rest of the censuses a little later, right now we can just determine the percentage of everyone's skills.

Sound good?

By this plan, Glen Finney will have Ward's son and Flocc as a medical team, but there will also be NPCs with minor experience in the field of medicine, so this group could range to maybe even 20 or 30 people.

[Psychomeltdown]

Psychomeltdown

- plenty of hunting in my early days
- decent with animals, horses, cattle, sheep (grew up on a ranch)
- can ride a horse, rope cattle, shear sheep, herd cattle/sheep
- can butcher animals (mainly deer and sheep)
- basic carpentry skills
- basic machining skills
- cutting wood/felling trees (cut it for firewood)
- medium knowledge on farming

His Woman (based upon what a Navajo girl should know ;) )

- cooking, bread making
- weaving (mainly rugs)
- decent with animals (horses, sheep, cattle)
- can ride a horse, shear sheep
- can cut wood
- card and spin wool,
- can butcher animals

[Glen]

What is a loblolly boy? Sounds very wrong, somehow...:eek:

never mind...found the reply...hopefully we'll keep the amputations down to a minimum...though undoubtably there will be some.

[Norbert]

I have been logging off and on since about 1972. I also have some experience building buildings, and do know a little of the technique of using pegs to hold things together (saves nails). I have also made cedar shingles, and squared logs for use, and have studied the use of sawing pits in place of a proper mill. I also did time in the USMC (E-3, last 3 years as chaplins assistant, Rifle score Expert(?, its been so long, MB, that I do not remember the highest rating)), so I could aid in defense.
I was also brought up on a tree farm, though I did some work on regular farms and in orchards. I also have some background in Chemistry, Botany, and Zoology. I've dug a few miles of ditches, and hand excavated for building foundations, as well as Architectural design.

[Matt]

Well I've been moonlighting as a butcher as of late, and have some experence with minor blacksmithing.

By far is my USMC experence which includes

-conducting patrols
-establishing base security in a hostile eviroment
-running a USMC warehouse
-rifle marksmanship
-rudementary first aid
-back breaking labor :p

[Darkest]

MBarry, you are all lined up to become a military dictator if you wanted to. I'd follow you into battle against the natives. :cool:

[Matt]

I'll defer to M for that, I'll settle for being a toadie.

But I do need to figure out how big this militia should be. At least the full time members. Every adult male would ideally be require to bear arms if an emergency comes up. But a core group of "professionals" should be able to cut off most trouble before it starts. Perhaps 10-20 of us?

[Othniel]

Inventory, Cooking, equpiment matenice, wood cutting, Amature surveying, accounting, stats, hard labour.

[Glen]

MBarry, you are all lined up to become a military dictator if you wanted to. I'd follow you into battle against the natives. :cool:

No Dictators! :rolleyes:

[Matt]

No Dictators! :rolleyes:


I'll be good. I have a thing against em anyways. I would want the militia to be subservant to the civilian authorities as it were.

[Glen]

I'll defer to M for that, I'll settle for being a toadie.

But I do need to figure out how big this militia should be. At least the full time members. Every adult male would ideally be require to bear arms if an emergency comes up. But a core group of "professionals" should be able to cut off most trouble before it starts. Perhaps 10-20 of us?

We can't afford a full time military at first. However, maybe a squadron would be appropriate. Perhaps also our scout force to map the surrounding lands. We'll be bringing maps along, of course, but they're thousands of years out of date.

I believe the militia should be formed, and should be voluntary.

Having said that, I believe EVERYONE should voluntarily participate in the militia.

[Glen]

I'll be good. I have a thing against em anyways. I would want the militia to be subservant to the civilian authorities as it were.

Hopefully, the militia and the civilian population will be one in the same.

[Matt]

We can't afford a full time military at first. However, maybe a squadron would be appropriate. Perhaps also our scout force to map the surrounding lands. We'll be bringing maps along, of course, but they're thousands of years out of date.

I believe the militia should be formed, and should be voluntary.

Having said that, I believe EVERYONE should voluntarily participate in the militia.


That would be the first mission of the pros I think. Take a dozen or so members with field experence and get the lay of the land. Perimeter security can be provided with relatively untrained militia, at least initially. On the local area is scouted out, we might need to send out semi-regular patrols of a half a dozen men.

Once a threat(if any) is verified and establish we can tailor make the force we would need to counter it. Even a small group of decently trained men can take on a much larger group, not that I foresee that happening for a while.

[Darkest]

Dude, if MBarry and Weapon M wanted to, after their 'soldiers/hunters' were organized and trained, all nice and loyal, they could pull off a coup and everybody will stick to them because no one wants to be without their guardians.

If one person says, "No Dictators!" It's not going to stop people from becoming one if they can and want to. We are being transported to a lawless society. We want to try and make rules, but I expect some Lord of the Flies will occur in some manner eventually.

Also, about military patrols, they should be organized and told how to respond if they meet any natives. Preferably, a diplomatically inclined person should go with each group, just in case.

[Matt]

Dude, if MBarry and Weapon M wanted to, after their 'soldiers/hunters' were organized and trained, all nice and loyal, they could pull off a coup and everybody will stick to them because no one wants to be without their guardians.

If one person says, "No Dictators!" It's not going to stop people from becoming one if they can and want to. We are being transported to a lawless society. We want to try and make rules, but I expect some Lord of the Flies will occur in some manner eventually.

Also, about military patrols, they should be organized and told how to respond if they meet any natives. Preferably, a diplomatically inclined person should go with each group, just in case.

Fortunatly me and M have libertarian tendencies. Since we are role playing as our selves, I don't see that changing.

Leo.. Leo should come with us. As a NPC if needed.

[Glen]

Dude, if MBarry and Weapon M wanted to, after their 'soldiers/hunters' were organized and trained, all nice and loyal, they could pull off a coup and everybody will stick to them because no one wants to be without their guardians.

Well, it appears EVERYONE is bringing weapons, and a lot of us seem rather the contentious types. I don't think that will work very well. Maybe they get Urkel.:D

If one person says, "No Dictators!" It's not going to stop people from becoming one if they can and want to.

No, but it is the start of preventing it. Making it very, utterly, totally clear that Kings and Dictators and other attempts at authoritarianism will not be passively accepted but met with vocal and multiple opposition.

Just want to make it clear where we SHOULD stand on that issue. Do you disagree?

We are being transported to a lawless society. We want to try and make rules, but I expect some Lord of the Flies will occur in some manner eventually.

I have always found Lord of the Flies a piece of crap. Lawless society, hardly. Almost all of us come from a Western tradition of right and wrong that is pretty well engrained, and most of those are specifically from the American tradition. While we'll eventually need to codify our version, we'll have a pretty darned clear from the get-go as to what is 'lawful' and what is 'unlawful'. We are not a tabla rosa, but rather the inheritors of the coming 5000 years of civilization.

Also, about military patrols, they should be organized and told how to respond if they meet any natives. Preferably, a diplomatically inclined person should go with each group, just in case.

Agreed. Diplomatic as in, 'don't just shoot anything that moves'? Probably.;)

We should set up a mini 'reception' camp for greeting natives, both to protect them in the early stages from infections, and to keep them from seeing exactly our numbers, conditions, and possessions.

Trust, but verify...

[Psychomeltdown]

Fortunatly me and M have libertarian tendencies. Since we are role playing as our selves, I don't see that changing.

Leo.. Leo should come with us. As a NPC if needed.
Ayup.

Ward said he's not going to be kind. WeaponM and Mbarry aren't looking to put themselves into positions of overlordship.

We're pretty much depending upon the personalities of the people we put in charge.

[Darkest]

No, but it is the start of preventing it. Making it very, utterly, totally clear that Kings and Dictators and other attempts at authoritarianism will not be passively accepted but met with vocal and multiple opposition.

Just want to make it clear where we SHOULD stand on that issue. Do you disagree?

I don't disagree. I definitely don't want to live under a dictator. But I want people to remember that things can go wrong, and some people are the type that might support acts of evil. Look at Shadestorm. And he's not the only one, there are a good number people that want to enslave the Amerindians.

It seems everyone is thinking of a utopian-run society, and doubting that anything else will happen. I happen to think that Shadestorm might be successful, that in our new environment major conflicts are bound to occur between ideologies and a simple lust for power, that not everyone is going to be listening to those that decide they are the ones to call the shots.

Realistically, we are going to have deviants and renegades like Shadestorm. They are going to leave, maybe not to go start a drug-empire, but to start a colony in which they believe they are doing things better.

[Glen]

Who's trying to start a utopian society?

I'm just trying to maximize the chances of getting the best society we can in rather difficult circumstances.

In real life, most people are not 'deviants', and the fact that we are small in our numbers means that the total number of deviants will be just that much smaller.

[General_Paul]

General_Paul's Skills:

Camping Skills- Construction of fire, shelter, and general wilderness knowledge (Obtained during 2 week stint @ Outward Bound camp in the High Sierras in California)
Hunting Skills- None
Educational skills- High School Diploma, studying for a degree in 20th century American History from Tacoma Community College, and recently accepted applicant at Evergreen State College in Olympia, WA. Ultimate goal to become a teacher @ College level.
Misc. Skills- Can tie my own shoe! Other than that, my only job experience was being a camp counselor @ a CYO camp in Carnation for the summer.

[Bulgaroktonos]

Personally, I think Indians aren't a bad way to go.

I don't advocate enslaving them by any means, but they are a valuable source of labor, knowledge, and population expansion.

Personally, I'd like to lead something, but I'm a very organizational/logistics person myself. I'm usually better at leading and directing than implementing.

I support the allowance for authoritarian stints, provided we adequately check it. In times of crisis, leadership and society is best served by centralizing control.

A constitution is vital. Immediately.

[Glen]

Personally, I think Indians aren't a bad way to go.

I don't advocate enslaving them by any means, but they are a valuable source of labor, knowledge, and population expansion.

Personally, I'd like to lead something, but I'm a very organizational/logistics person myself. I'm usually better at leading and directing than implementing.

I support the allowance for authoritarian stints, provided we adequately check it. In times of crisis, leadership and society is best served by centralizing control.

A constitution is vital. Immediately.

We'll start with the Bill of Rights...that seems pretty solid.

For the immediate future, a direct democracy with an executive council of seven should be fine. Make that the charter of our first city-state. After that, we can take some time to write out our version of a Constitution for a larger nation. Probably base it still on the US constitution, unless someone prefers another model...

[Glen]

Oh, and I too agree that the Native Americans will be invaluable.

I'd like to try to peacefully co-opt them through trade and eventually through ties of blood (we're going to end up intermarrying and our descendents will, in several generations, be almost indistinguishable from pure native american).

[Bulgaroktonos]

Oh, and I too agree that the Native Americans will be invaluable.

I'd like to try to peacefully co-opt them through trade and eventually through ties of blood (we're going to end up intermarrying and our descendents will, in several generations, be almost indistinguishable from pure native american).

I would beg to differ on this point. If we have 600 people, we are going to be a very large group of people. I don't think we are going to be utterly swamped. I think our neck of the woods will be significantly different than the areas around us genetically speaking.

[Bulgaroktonos]

We'll start with the Bill of Rights...that seems pretty solid.

For the immediate future, a direct democracy with an executive council of seven should be fine. Make that the charter of our first city-state. After that, we can take some time to write out our version of a Constitution for a larger nation. Probably base it still on the US constitution, unless someone prefers another model...

I think that the US model should be fine. It is a very stable one, though I think it will need to be more specific than the current one, so as to appease all sections of society.

[Glen]

I would beg to differ on this point. If we have 600 people, we are going to be a very large group of people. I don't think we are going to be utterly swamped. I think our neck of the woods will be significantly different than the areas around us genetically speaking.

600 is not a large group, population genetics wise. We will both want and need to mix with the native population.

For the first few generations, we'll be somewhat distinct. But then we're going to start mixing in more...

[Ward]

600 is not a large group, population genetics wise. We will both want and need to mix with the native population.

For the first few generations, we'll be somewhat distinct. But then we're going to start mixing in more...


That true because think about it there are 11 people in my group are related to me .

[Psychomeltdown]

actually if we're going by the ACtive Members, it'll be around 1150 people as Ward said 2.5 per family, roughly.

[Flocculencio]

That would be the first mission of the pros I think. Take a dozen or so members with field experence and get the lay of the land...On the local area is scouted out, we might need to send out semi-regular patrols of a half a dozen men

Ooh...I volunteer. I don't think I could be considered a pro but I do have 2 years in an infantry battalion under my belt :D

[Grimm Reaper]

I cook, I have some basic camping and hygiene skills courtesy of Camp Watonka long ago, I'm a good eater...:D

Basic labor and some SCA skills will be my early basis, but I learn quickly.

[Psychomeltdown]

I cook, I have some basic camping and hygiene skills courtesy of Camp Watonka long ago, I'm a good eater...:D

Basic labor and some SCA skills will be my early basis, but I learn quickly.
GR=general laborer=Field Clearer.

:D

[pisces74]

hmmmm on paper i bring very little to the table, but I usually wind up in some sort of leadership position. I'm not overly strong,intelligent or charismatic, I perfer to think of myself a little wiser then most however. anyway my skills

I'm good at logistics, as I've worked in a recieving area for quite a bit of time.

I'm pretty much an insomniac so I'd be the perfect night watch :).

above average melee skills (some sca spear fighting, and bayonet drill CWR)

some average weapon skills (CRE and black powder gun club)

If thrown a pole I can fish, If needed I can hunt. I've got no problem chopping wood, or foraging for food. ( I brought some field guides to do just that)

oh yeah I'm a good eater, but given enough time we'll all be ;)

[Fellatio Nelson]

Ooh...I volunteer. I don't think I could be considered a pro but I do have 2 years in an infantry battalion under my belt :D

Do we need a navy?

I suppose Diamond and I could be in charge of any coracles or hollowed-out canoes we make. We can wait until we have a fleet of them and then declare war on the nearest tribe, sinking their fishing boats and stealing all the fish.

:D

[Grimm Reaper]

Nope, Psycho, I'm the guy who sets up the production of soap, candles, basic deoderant(when desired), and other useful goods.

[Douglas]

My skills:

Schlepping: I am a major-league schlep. I am willing/always get coaxed into doing the things that no one else really wants to do.

[Dave Howery]

My skills:

Schlepping: I am a major-league schlep. I am willing/always get coaxed into doing the things that no one else really wants to do.
....and we have our first latrine digger! Congrats to Fenkmaster!

[Ghost 88]

Ex U S Army Sgt infrantry,82abn,101abn,9in divs.and 4/9in Fairbanks Ak(18 months) expert all infrantry weapons,scout operations,and non mechinized inf tactics. Other skills "Joat Mon" alas I am typing impaired.

[Hendryk]

Skills? Huh...

It bores me to death, but I've acquired some on-the-job experience in accounting and logistics management. I'm also pretty good at toadying up to whoever's in charge.
I grew up in the countryside, and could reacquaint myself with basic skills such as keeping a henhouse or growing a vegetable patch in a reasonably short amount of time.
The girl I'm bringing along has received basic paramilitary training and can handle semi-automatic and bolt-action firearms, including assembly and maintenance.

[schrammy]

medium gardening.
medium fishing.
basic hunting with rifle and crosbow (tough only rabbits).
cpr and first aid training.
basic knowlage of chemistery/appotecary = if no one els steps up i could make us things like black powder,asprin and other basic medicine and chemicals.

i might have some other skills but than again those are so basic do i realy need to mention them? yes i can chop down a tree or build a fence but like i sayed how can't?

so when i say i have basic knowledge in a certain field i consider it knowlage in a field that is not general/common knowledge.

[Scarecrow]

skills...skills

i can fish, orientere, i can shoot a bow and arrow ok, as long as the target is large and not moving:D
sooooooo basicly i am cannon fodder:( , or more likely, apprentice material:D . i wannna be a lumberjack!

[Norbert]

skills...skills

i can fish, orientere, i can shoot a bow and arrow ok, as long as the target is large and not moving:D
sooooooo basicly i am cannon fodder:( , or more likely, apprentice material:D . i wannna be a lumberjack!

'I'm a lumberjack, and I'm ok,
I sleep all night and work all day!
....I put on womens clothing...'

Sorry, I do not remember all the words for the Monty Python umberjack Song!

You can be a lumberjack.

[Scarecrow]

'I'm a lumberjack, and I'm ok,
I sleep all night and work all day!
....I put on womens clothing...'

Sorry, I do not remember all the words for the Monty Python umberjack Song!

You can be a lumberjack.
w00t! I pledge myself to the ways of the lumberjack :D

[Gerard-ABC]

Ok,
I'm new here, wondering why the world doesn't look like I expected it to....

My job used to be programming computers, and office work. No medical experience, except as a patient. No animal experience except eating them as food. Other interests - military / weapons / technology.

Practical experience, a bit of work on the house / garden. I used to watch my father do woodwork in his workshop when I was a kid. I've still got some of his tools.

I'm bring my female friend, who's also really into computers, animals, plants, gardens, environment.

I'll pack a 22 rifle, and the usual stuff that others have listed.


Also... a few ideas for those who have got a little spare space / weight allowance:

packs of playing cards / books of card games - will reduce stress, but need rules to enforce NO gambling of food / tools / weapons etc

saw / knife blades
medical kits / supplies
cigarette lighters / boxes of matches
spools of nylon thread / hooks
small metal wheels / pulleys
notebooks / pens / pencils

I'll also suggest a % of people bring specialised stuff like water-powered generators - useful for computers, fridges for food / medicines, lights, battery chargers.

for those bringing computers and sets of DVDs, also figure out a plan for when they break down. Maybe the ASBs can make all out laptops the same brand, so that we can swap parts when required.

As a couple of people have stated, there is a need to standardise on weapons / ammunition: 22 for light rifles, 303 or 30-06 for a "military" rifle, and probably 9mm or 38 or 45 for pistols.

Leave all the GPS sat nav at home, with their satellites.

Everyone should also have those stones for sharpening knives / edged weapons / tools.

Not sure if they would be useful for the first few months or not, but what about Night Vision Goggles ? Useful for security until we get used to how the place looks at night, and for detecting intruders.

Another idea.... lightweight storage containers, plastic for long life / easy cleaning. We'll have to put the spare food somewhere. Also rolls of those black plastic bags. Also plastic carrier bags, they got handles, and are lightweight enough to put in any pocket. Use if someone finds fruit or food when out riding / hunting.

Everyone should also bring notebooks / pens/ pencils. If only to take orders from those in charge <g>

Maybe surveying equipment would be of use, not so much for making nice straight roads once we get a town build, but to help in navigation.


In terms of helping with food, maybe if people brought allong raspberry / blackberry seeds / plants. Apple trees are also easy to grow from seeds. < remembering back garden at home for all 3 types >

Another thought, is that we don't concentrate too much on any one food production method. Sure farming / animals will be critical, but fish would also help a lot. Find a river, and there is fish, and hydroelectic power.

That hydrolectric power could be used to charge up batteries for powertools, all the same type,

We could assume that a % of the NPC people bring "special" stuff, like boats, blacksmith equipment, metal parts for ploughs. I'm not convinced that we need to go as far in time for living conditions, as some people think.


It could be useful to go back to first principles on a lot of things, do things how the Romans / Greeks / Egyptians built things. They did have A-frames etc in those days. We'll be working mostly with wood, so that will be easier than with stone.

As there will be so many wooden buildings, maybe we need to organise fire prevention / fire department plans. We don't want one misplaced cooking fire to burn down several houses. Or, if the local natives use fire arrows.


I certainly agree with the no work, no food rule.

Religion is to be anything, but it's for your own free-time, not for work / community time.

I also agree that modern-day politics have EXACTLY ZERO PLACE in our new world.


Ok, so where do I sign up to help with construction ?


[ sorry for being so late here, but it's taken me a couple of days to get registered here on ah.com ]

Regards,
Gerard

[Ward]

Ok,
I'm new here, wondering why the world doesn't look like I expected it to....

My job used to be programming computers, and office work. No medical experience, except as a patient. No animal experience except eating them as food. Other interests - military / weapons / technology.

Practical experience, a bit of work on the house / garden. I used to watch my father do woodwork in his workshop when I was a kid. I've still got some of his tools.

I'm bring my female friend, who's also really into computers, animals, plants, gardens, environment.

I'll pack a 22 rifle, and the usual stuff that others have listed.


Also... a few ideas for those who have got a little spare space / weight allowance:

packs of playing cards / books of card games - will reduce stress, but need rules to enforce NO gambling of food / tools / weapons etc

saw / knife blades
medical kits / supplies
cigarette lighters / boxes of matches
spools of nylon thread / hooks
small metal wheels / pulleys
notebooks / pens / pencils

I'll also suggest a % of people bring specialised stuff like water-powered generators - useful for computers, fridges for food / medicines, lights, battery chargers.

for those bringing computers and sets of DVDs, also figure out a plan for when they break down. Maybe the ASBs can make all out laptops the same brand, so that we can swap parts when required.

As a couple of people have stated, there is a need to standardise on weapons / ammunition: 22 for light rifles, 303 or 30-06 for a "military" rifle, and probably 9mm or 38 or 45 for pistols.

Leave all the GPS sat nav at home, with their satellites.

Everyone should also have those stones for sharpening knives / edged weapons / tools.

Not sure if they would be useful for the first few months or not, but what about Night Vision Goggles ? Useful for security until we get used to how the place looks at night, and for detecting intruders.

Another idea.... lightweight storage containers, plastic for long life / easy cleaning. We'll have to put the spare food somewhere. Also rolls of those black plastic bags. Also plastic carrier bags, they got handles, and are lightweight enough to put in any pocket. Use if someone finds fruit or food when out riding / hunting.

Everyone should also bring notebooks / pens/ pencils. If only to take orders from those in charge <g>

Maybe surveying equipment would be of use, not so much for making nice straight roads once we get a town build, but to help in navigation.


In terms of helping with food, maybe if people brought allong raspberry / blackberry seeds / plants. Apple trees are also easy to grow from seeds. < remembering back garden at home for all 3 types >

Another thought, is that we don't concentrate too much on any one food production method. Sure farming / animals will be critical, but fish would also help a lot. Find a river, and there is fish, and hydroelectic power.

That hydrolectric power could be used to charge up batteries for powertools, all the same type,

We could assume that a % of the NPC people bring "special" stuff, like boats, blacksmith equipment, metal parts for ploughs. I'm not convinced that we need to go as far in time for living conditions, as some people think.


It could be useful to go back to first principles on a lot of things, do things how the Romans / Greeks / Egyptians built things. They did have A-frames etc in those days. We'll be working mostly with wood, so that will be easier than with stone.

As there will be so many wooden buildings, maybe we need to organise fire prevention / fire department plans. We don't want one misplaced cooking fire to burn down several houses. Or, if the local natives use fire arrows.


I certainly agree with the no work, no food rule.

Religion is to be anything, but it's for your own free-time, not for work / community time.

I also agree that modern-day politics have EXACTLY ZERO PLACE in our new world.


Ok, so where do I sign up to help with construction ?


[ sorry for being so late here, but it's taken me a couple of days to get registered here on ah.com ]

Regards,
Gerard


Welcome aboard Gerard
For a list of iteams to be wearing when you and the wife comes over check
what we are taking post 45 bottom of the post .This is a list of ideams everone should have . Yes I left my rifle on my skids at start but I'm not figuing on a fire fight right off . Plus I and the family are fair shots with a 12 barrow .357 pistol .

[Steffen]

skills: I studied some infrastructure planning. Apart from the fancy stuff, there´s a bit of knowledge how a canal or a road should look like.

Apart from this, I know a bit of viticulture, as having helped in a vineyard the family inherited 20 years ago.
I´m a bit clumsy when it comes to manual work, but until now, the fingers can still help me count to ten.

I´m also quite good at organising things and people.

I decided I bring an old friend, Isabelle, with me. First, she´s aggressive and built ideally for farm labor.

I´ll bring a hunting rifle. Tools, books on viticulture, basic engineering and grapevine.

[Gerard-ABC]

Ward,
Thanks for the welcome. We've brought all the standard stuff from that list with us.

We'll get started on a tent for tonight, and get food going then.


Regards,
Gerard

[DominusNovus]

I'm pretty good with animals, so long as they are not llamas. Llamas and I don't get along. I know how to take care of them, and could doctor them up if need be (but only if nobody else will).
I'm good with manual labor, a tad bit out of shape, but I'll get in shape pretty quick, I think.
And, when I want to be, I'm very very organized. A good guy to have planning stuff and the like.
I can cook. Not great, but I can cook.

[Matt]

Ex U S Army Sgt infrantry,82abn,101abn,9in divs.and 4/9in Fairbanks Ak(18 months) expert all infrantry weapons,scout operations,and non mechinized inf tactics. Other skills "Joat Mon" alas I am typing impaired.


Ohh, I like you :)

We need non-mechinized scouts, we have an amazing lack of heavy weapons, but at the same time our Lee-Enfield(chambered to .30-06) vastly out class anything on the continent.

[GBW]

I've piloted all sorts of small watercraft, including rowboats, canoes, etc. I've also done some sailing.
I've done orchard work, as well as helping to maintain a largish vegetable garden.
I've ridden horses, along with helping to maintain them.
Knowledge about a variety of different subjects.
Reasonably accurate with a bow and arrow.
I think I might be useful in trying to communicate with the 'neighbors'.
And probably other stuff I can't recall at the moment but probably will if the situation arises.

[Grimm Reaper]

Really, we need a small shipbuilding industry for commerce and trade in the long run, but especially for fishing. The protein available at sea in our new time frame is astounding, and useful fertilizer too, since Ward don't eat the fishies.

[Ward]

Really, we need a small shipbuilding industry for commerce and trade in the long run, but especially for fishing. The protein available at sea in our new time frame is astounding, and useful fertilizer too, since Ward don't eat the fishies.


No What I said is I hate the taste of the fishies . I will eat almost anything if hungry enough . I have eaten dog before . I do draw the line on long Pig :eek: though .

[Matt]

I'm allergic to fishies :(

[Doctor What]

I'm allergic to fishies :(

So? You like deer or rabbit? You like veggies? You like chicken? You like nuts and berries? Then you're good to go--between what southern california had and what the group is bringing, people can afford to be a bit picky about some of the food they eat.

Just for the record--I'm allergic to mushrooms myself....

[sbegin]

Skills for myself:
I have actually cut down trees with axe and handsaw, we used to cut wood for heating in the winter - I've cut it into logs and split them, even though I was only 15-16 at the time and pretty small!
Gardening, some simple woodwork (I've done some construction with my dad from as early as I can remember, I've built stone fireplaces, sheds, decks, etc). I'm good with animals, I've milked cows, although with machines, not by hand, but at least, I'm not scared of them!
I'm not squeamish, so I'll do any kind of butchering. I've taken 1st aid courses. No experience with hunting or rifles of any type. Note - past my prime age wise! Don't have the strength and endurance I once had:(
Husband: was trained as a sharp-shooter, he still has the eye! Apart from that, he's best at organization, logistics, planning, etc. Again, past his prime physically!
My step-daughter - can cook, organize,
her boyfriend (I guess they'll be getting married right away :D - shotgun wedding, me holding shotgun): he's a horse trainer (racing trotters). Knows horses, harnesses, some horse medecine.

[Flocculencio]

So? You like deer or rabbit? You like veggies? You like chicken? You like nuts and berries? Then you're good to go--between what southern california had and what the group is bringing, people can afford to be a bit picky about some of the food they eat.

Just for the record--I'm allergic to mushrooms myself....

Hell, I'll eat anything except corn. And I'll even eat that if I have to...ugh, though

[Othniel]

I'm allergic to fishies :(
I keep saying I hope allergies are cured or else you'll see me bed ridden for whole weeks due to all the pollen.

[Matt]

I keep saying I hope allergies are cured or else you'll see me bed ridden for whole weeks due to all the pollen.

That and my possibly fatal allergy to beestings. Better bring epinepheran

[Ward]

That and my possibly fatal allergy to beestings. Better bring epinepheran


Like I said they are cured ,

[Grimm Reaper]

So Doctor What and I are both cured of our allergy to mushrooms?

As I said, you may think you don't like fish but I'll bring enough stuff to whip up some salmon croquettes and you may reconsider.

[Gerard-ABC]

As I normally say, if it's not cod in breadcrumbs / batter, then it's not fish....

But I could be persuaded to eat other kinds, if the skin, and certainly the bones are removed.... ( you don't want me around if there are bones left in the fish <g> )

[Othniel]

As I normally say, if it's not cod in breadcrumbs / batter, then it's not fish....

But I could be persuaded to eat other kinds, if the skin, and certainly the bones are removed.... ( you don't want me around if there are bones left in the fish <g> )
I believe they have Salmon and Trout up in the mountains, and maybe some Freshwater bass more inland.

[Gerard-ABC]

Othniel

>> I believe they have Salmon and Trout up in the mountains, and maybe some Freshwater bass more inland. <<

Ok, you persuaded me <g> Salmon can be nice if cooked right. Can't remember trout.

I packed a couple of 12-tin packs of sardines in sunflower oil as a change of food. They last for years, and don't need cooking. Chop up an onion, 2 slices of bread, and you got dinner.


Regards,
Gerard

[kilngirl]

My skills that might help in this time are gardening, food preservation, pottery, sewing, working with the kids, weaving. Husband and 2 sons, carpentry,outdoor skills and some mechanical skills, daughter, certified pharmacy technician and associate teaching degree, son in law, hunter and worked in a log mill. Don't have much time to post or read all of the posts every day, but I'm here.

[Norbert]

My skills that might help in this time are gardening, food preservation, pottery, sewing, working with the kids, weaving. Husband and 2 sons, carpentry,outdoor skills and some mechanical skills, daughter, certified pharmacy technician and associate teaching degree, son in law, hunter and worked in a log mill. Don't have much time to post or read all of the posts every day, but I'm here.


Yeah!!! Someone to draw on for cutting those logs up!!!! I've been trying to figure out how to supervise the cutters, making sure the know how to cut down big trees without killing someone, and getting things set up to make lumber!!!
Are you bringing your potting wheel?
I brought a spinning wheel and plans for looms, you can use them if you'd like!

[pisces74]

My skills that might help in this time are gardening, food preservation, pottery, sewing, working with the kids, weaving. Husband and 2 sons, carpentry,outdoor skills and some mechanical skills, daughter, certified pharmacy technician and associate teaching degree, son in law, hunter and worked in a log mill. Don't have much time to post or read all of the posts every day, but I'm here.

We could use some people to set up a smokehouse, and as it stands we have a crash course in smoking meat tomorrow. (day 7) feel free to jump into hte market.

[Glen]

My skills that might help in this time are gardening, food preservation, pottery, sewing, working with the kids, weaving. Husband and 2 sons, carpentry,outdoor skills and some mechanical skills, daughter, certified pharmacy technician and associate teaching degree, son in law, hunter and worked in a log mill. Don't have much time to post or read all of the posts every day, but I'm here.

Have your daughter report to me, we'll be needing her...

[pisces74]

Have your daughter report to me, we'll be needing her...

Wow! had to read that 3 times before context set in......

[Glen]

Wow! had to read that 3 times before context set in......

:o Get your mind out of the gutter!:rolleyes: ;)

Yes, we need her experience with pharmaceuticals.

[Doctor What]

That and my possibly fatal allergy to beestings. Better bring epinepheran

Hey Glen--I just thought of something. All the people who had allergies like Matt probably brought over some epinepheran. Is was only after we arrived that we knew that we were cured of them.

Can that stuff be used for anything else?

[Glen]

Hey Glen--I just thought of something. All the people who had allergies like Matt probably brought over some epinepheran. Is was only after we arrived that we knew that we were cured of them.

Can that stuff be used for anything else?

Oh hell yes. Crash carts for rescusitation during a code, for one....

[Leo Caesius]

Fortunatly me and M have libertarian tendencies. Since we are role playing as our selves, I don't see that changing.

Leo.. Leo should come with us. As a NPC if needed.Actually, you know, I have a skill that few others will have.

I'm professionally trained to learn spoken languages that haven't been documented before, produce grammars and other learning materials, and train others in them. It's a process that takes some time, but I'd have a head start thanks to my training.

I am also, believe it or not, a decent marksman.

This is if I'm to be an NPC. I probably won't be able to contribute much to the role-playing, although I'll be watching the forum.

[Othniel]

Actually, you know, I have a skill that few others will have.

I'm professionally trained to learn spoken languages that haven't been documented before, produce grammars and other learning materials, and train others in them. It's a process that takes some time, but I'd have a head start thanks to my training.

I am also, believe it or not, a decent marksman.

This is if I'm to be an NPC. I probably won't be able to contribute much to the role-playing, although I'll be watching the forum.
Good, your with me and Doc What on the scouting trail to check out a precolumbian aremdian villiage. Looks like I get to learn one or two things about lanague.:D

[Matt]

Actually, you know, I have a skill that few others will have.

I'm professionally trained to learn spoken languages that haven't been documented before, produce grammars and other learning materials, and train others in them. It's a process that takes some time, but I'd have a head start thanks to my training.

I am also, believe it or not, a decent marksman.

This is if I'm to be an NPC. I probably won't be able to contribute much to the role-playing, although I'll be watching the forum.


Leo hop in the thread about Jolo's posts real quick and give us your 2 cents? As the uber-lingustics man.

[Ward]

Actually, you know, I have a skill that few others will have.

I'm professionally trained to learn spoken languages that haven't been documented before, produce grammars and other learning materials, and train others in them. It's a process that takes some time, but I'd have a head start thanks to my training.

I am also, believe it or not, a decent marksman.

This is if I'm to be an NPC. I probably won't be able to contribute much to the role-playing, although I'll be watching the forum.



Rember Dr What started as an NPC go ahead in step in as a playier .

[SionEwig]

Hey Glen--I just thought of something. All the people who had allergies like Matt probably brought over some epinepheran. Is was only after we arrived that we knew that we were cured of them.

Can that stuff be used for anything else?

Um, I think that the ASBs told us about being cured of stuff otherwise I would have opted for the charcoal briquette option myself and not come.