[ALT] standardized weights for lists

[Dave Howery]

OK, part of the problem of coming up with a list of things to bring is that a lot of us have no idea how much some necessary stuff weighs. So, let's standardize some weights so we can make these lists.
Wagons... we definitely need a few of these, but everyone can't bring one. Somewhere else it was mentioned that a wagon weighed 400 lbs... is that a one horse or two horse wagon? I know that an old time Prairie Schooner 4-horse wagon weighed 1000 lbs., but that was wood and iron.. with modern materials we could probably lighten that somewhat. Anyway, what we could bring is one or two horse wagons, but we need a weight on them...
Wood Stove... Ward mentioned that one of these weighs 30-45 lbs., but these are small ones... did I see that a big one weighs 700 lbs?! Won't be bringing many of those along...
Food... someone suggested 50 lbs. of food... ok, how long will that feed someone? And how long do we want food for? 60 days or so?
Toolbox... Everyone should have a big one filled with tools... say, 80 lbs. or so?
Salt... where I work, we get cases of iodized salt that weigh 40 lbs... everyone should take one.
anything else?

[Darkest]

Why salt?

Remember farming tools and seeds! Very important! And equipment to clear land!

[Dave Howery]

why salt? seasoning, preservation... we need a minimum daily intake of it, and we won't be getting more of it anytime the first year... too much else to do...

[Glen]

Iodine is vital, and difficult to get in many diets. However, one source that is good is seafood...and we will have plenty of that in abundance.

Salt is necessary as well, and of course for preservation as well. But we can get salt from the sea.

[Dave Howery]

right away though? I'm thinking it'll be a couple years before we can spare anyone for that...

[Darkest]

Iodine? That's only in the Midwest. There is tons of Iodine in the soil, easy to get. In California, no one cares about iodized salt, because it's not a problem.

[Dave Howery]

again, it's going to be awhile before we can extract it though.. and we need the salt for preservation pretty soon.. even if everyone brings a case, it won't last all that long... it's only to get us through that first rush of activity, when we don't have time to do much else...

[Ward]

The 400lb wagon is a modren farm wagon made out of Alumion and steel , it has modren tires and is a 4 wheeled wagon it can carry with out any trouble 3 tons pulled by 2 horses .
The weights on the tools I list came out of a farm cataloge .
An old Fastion Cast Iron Stove to cook on weigh in at about 425 lbs .
The average Glass caning gare weighs in at 11 ozs .
Most of the weights I listed came out of catalogs , or other refrance books ,
The windmill weight came from the 1900 sear book thats its shipping weight .

[Flocculencio]

Salt is necessary as well, and of course for preservation as well. But we can get salt from the sea.

Evaporation pools for salt are very labour intensive AFAIK...we probably won't have the manpower to spare for the first few years. Remember, the settlers along the Chesapeake had to buy salt from the Caribbean because they didn't have the labour to spare to get their own.

[Dave Howery]

The 400lb wagon is a modren farm wagon made out of Alumion and steel , it has modren tires and is a 4 wheeled wagon it can carry with out any trouble 3 tons pulled by 2 horses .
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cool. So, we can say that a 2-horse wagon is 400 lbs., and a 1-horse wagon is, oh, 300 lbs? Just trying to get something standard here...

a cast iron stove is 425 Lbs?!? Geez, we aren't going to take many of those along... can you cook on those small 40 lb. ones?

[Ward]

cool. So, we can say that a 2-horse wagon is 400 lbs., and a 1-horse wagon is, oh, 300 lbs? Just trying to get something standard here...

a cast iron stove is 425 Lbs?!? Geez, we aren't going to take many of those along... can you cook on those small 40 lb. ones?


Yes you can they are large enough to put two large Cast iron fring pans on plus the have a water tank to heat 2 gals of water in . They are made for Hunting and fishing guides camps .

just some thing to think of is that covered cot it will sleep two people in it . It is also screened and has a rain cover it could be used as a tent in an emergance .

The tent I listed is very big and large enough that all 19 of us could set up are cot in it .

[Forum Lurker]

You don't need cake salt to preserve food. Grain can be preserved simply by drying it, as can many vegetables; meat can be soaked in brine, and all you need for brine is a bucket of seawater and a hot day.

[Dave Howery]

OK... while we're at it, we should standardize some weights on the things everyone will want:
dutch oven: several sizes available... 10-30 lbs?
a set of iron camp cookware: 40 lbs?

I'm guessing here, please correct me if I'm wrong...

[Dave Howery]

and some other stuff:
large first aid kit...?
large sewing kit...?

how many total lbs. of seed potatoes are we going to need? How many pounds of wheat seed? Everyone should bring some of one or the other..

it wouldn't hurt if everyone brought a few pounds of fescue grass seed too... native CA grass isn't very good for heavy grazing, so we need to replace a lot of it..

[Ward]

Also we will need to think of what seeds we will want to take and what vines and trees we want to take .

[Matt]

Iodine is vital, and difficult to get in many diets. However, one source that is good is seafood...and we will have plenty of that in abundance.

Salt is necessary as well, and of course for preservation as well. But we can get salt from the sea.


What about those allergic to seafood?

[Ward]

What about those allergic to seafood?


Then they dont eat it do they . They will have to learn how trap small animals to eat then .

[Fellatio Nelson]

What about those allergic to seafood?

They could drink some TCP antiseptic. :D

(It's true... packed full of iodine, useful if you want to limit the absorption of radiation.)

[Norbert]

1901 Acme Princess Cook Stove: 212 lbs
Burns Coal, Coke, or Wood

[SionEwig]

Food Information


Using the lightest weight food I could come up with while also taking into account maximizing nutritional value (and you won't really get any lighter than this), I figured on using Mountain Home freeze dried food.

For 3000 cal./day - 2.5 lbs (75 lbs/30 days)
For 2000 cal./day - 1 2/3 lbs (50 lbs/30 days)
For 1500 cal./day - 1.25 lbs (37.5 lbs/30 days)

[Forum Lurker]

Minimal weight without accounting for nutrients: 9000 kilocalories to the kilogram of vegetable oil, so 0.75 lbs/day on a 3000 kilocalorie diet. Add to that a trivial weight of vitamin supplements, and you're set. You'll technically be in starvation mode, in that your brain will have to switch metabolism over to digesting ketone bodies, but your body will still be doing just fine.

[Othniel]

What about those allergic to seafood?
I thought all diases were cured. If allergies don't fall into that catgory I'm not going to be working all the time I could be...

[Ward]

I thought all diases were cured. If allergies don't fall into that catgory I'm not going to be working all the time I could be...


Allergies are cured also people