WI Russia conquers the America's and stays in power 'till the 2000's?

[Alue26]

Recently I watched a vid of a Soviet Sub during World War 2 and I wondered...

How would the world look like if the Russians conquered the America's and stayed in power 'till the 2000's?

Post if read.

[RamscoopRaider]

Radioactive wasteland

This is the only way Russia could occupy the US outside the ASB forum

[Tallest Skil]

I read it, therefore I'm posting. All that needs said has been, thanks to RamscoopRaider.

[SergeantHeretic]

Ramscoopraider has said it, the AMerican Nuclear Triad turns the SOviet Union into the world's largest macaroni bake in response.

[Killer300]

Gah, LOGISTICS!:mad:

Sorry, but understanding of that alone makes a traditional invasion of the US impossible, much less nukes and the US Navy. Invasion of the US in the 20th century in any recognizable timeline is the equivalent of a successful Sealion using rowboats.

[Doctor Imperialism]

What is this I don't even

[Snake Featherston]

Recently I watched a vid of a Soviet Sub during World War 2 and I wondered...

How would the world look like if the Russians conquered the America's and stayed in power 'till the 2000's?

Post if read.

For this to happen you need either a Crack!TL or a POD that goes all the way back into the early colonial era pre-Peter the Great. And to have Russia get all of North and South America? Crack!TL. Just....Crack!TL.

[yourworstnightmare]

There would obviously be Alien Spacebats everywhere.

[SergeantHeretic]

Gah, LOGISTICS!:mad:

Sorry, but understanding of that alone makes a traditional invasion of the US impossible, much less nukes and the US Navy. Invasion of the US in the 20th century in any recognizable timeline is the equivalent of a successful Sealion using rowboats.
This is the truth, which is why the film Red Dawn is so damned FUNNY!

[Snake Featherston]

Radioactive wasteland

This is the only way Russia could occupy the US outside the ASB forum

And that's just the USA we're talking about. For it to take all of North America and all of South America? We've officially entered the world of Domination-style "logistics" where things like finance, geography, and reason are selectively applied at best.

[SergeantHeretic]

And that's just the USA we're talking about. For it to take all of North America and all of South America? We've officially entered the world of Domination-style "logistics" where things like finance, geography, and reason are selectively applied at best.
Only i nthe mind of delusional fantasist right wing republicans (Red Dawn's target audience) could the SOviet Union ever invade the U.S> let alone conquer it.

[Æsir]

Ramscoopraider has said it, the AMerican Nuclear Triad turns the SOviet Union into the world's largest macaroni bake in response.

...And now I could go for some good Mac and Cheese. Curse you yet again, AH.com. :mad::p

[SergeantHeretic]

...And now I could go for some good Mac and Cheese. Curse you yet again, AH.com. :mad::p
You know, some nice gooey Mac and Cheese DOES sound damned good, right now.

[RamscoopRaider]

And that's just the USA we're talking about. For it to take all of North America and all of South America? We've officially entered the world of Domination-style "logistics" where things like finance, geography, and reason are selectively applied at best.
I just assumed he meant American's and forget an n

[Color-Copycat]

I came, I saw, I wtf'ed

[LSCatilina]

I came, I saw, I wtf'ed

Sigged. Totally worth of.

[B_Munro]

For this to happen you need either a Crack!TL or a POD that goes all the way back into the early colonial era pre-Peter the Great. And to have Russia get all of North and South America? Crack!TL. Just....Crack!TL.

Hmm - if western Europe is slower off the mark getting to the New World, and Russia a bit faster into Siberia and Alaska, could we see Russian Mexico and Peru? After all, they were conquered with a hundful of men OTL, and I'd give the Cossacks a comparable badass point rating to the Conquistadors.

Of course, given the sort of navy buildable on the shores of the Sea of Okhotsk, holding on to the Americas after western Europe hears of it will be trickier. Mayhap we need to get rid of the Manchus as well...

Bruce

[B_Munro]

Post 1900: for a Russian conquest of the US, we need to get the Russians to develop both the atom bomb and a delivery system capable of getting it around the world before anyone else builds enough to establish a Balance of Terror. This actually may be more feasible in a TL where the Russians don't go commie and there is no Hitler and world war 2. (Could we see a TL in which an orbital rocket is developed first and then the atom bomb later?) In any event, the logistics of occupation are such that even if the Russians can nuclear-blackmail the US into surrender that a direct occupation of the US, let alone all of the Americas, seems unlikely. In the case of Fascist Capitalist Russia's Nuclear Monopoly, a world of puppets seems rather likelier than any large territorial acquisitions.

Bruce

[Snake Featherston]

Hmm - if western Europe is slower off the mark getting to the New World, and Russia a bit faster into Siberia and Alaska, could we see Russian Mexico and Peru? After all, they were conquered with a hundful of men OTL, and I'd give the Cossacks a comparable badass point rating to the Conquistadors.

Of course, given the sort of navy buildable on the shores of the Sea of Okhotsk, holding on to the Americas after western Europe hears of it will be trickier. Mayhap we need to get rid of the Manchus as well...

Bruce

Not without a geological POD, no.

[KingByng]

Gah, LOGISTICS!:mad:

Sorry, but understanding of that alone makes a traditional invasion of the US impossible, much less nukes and the US Navy. Invasion of the US in the 20th century in any recognizable timeline is the equivalent of a successful Sealion using rowboats.

W... what? You mean, real life isn't like a RTS game? And that armies can't invade anyone anywhere on a whim?

This throws my whole perception of reality into question.

[KACKO]

Fort Ross and Russian California?

[MattII]

Post 1900: for a Russian conquest of the US, we need to get the Russians to develop both the atom bomb and a delivery system capable of getting it around the world before anyone else builds enough to establish a Balance of Terror.Early bombs aren't small or light, and the Pacific isn't small, so a bomber force that could threaten to nuke Britain is not necessarily good enough to even reach CONUS (except on a one-way trip, which is certain death even if you don't get intercepted), let alone be able to threaten it. Hells, even getting to Alaska would be a job and a half unless you were to put serious investment in opening up eastern Siberia.

[Polish Eagle]

This is the truth, which is why the film Red Dawn is so damned FUNNY!

At least Red Dawn took the time to establish "Latin America goes Red, Soviet troops mass in Mexico, Europe bails out (because the French and the German Greens are pussies)." Not a particularly plausible explanation, but they took the time to address certain points.

Now if you want a really ASB scenario, think about Modern Warfare 2 for a moment--that entire game takes place over a period several days long. The only way that could happen is if the Russians had their paratroopers on standby in Greenland and their navy hanging around Nova Scotia waiting for the call to invade during No Russian.

Anyway...yeah, the only way the Russians are going to occupy the New World with a post-1900 POD is if they strike first in the early 1970s, and Nixon experiences a sudden case of morality ("If we're all going to die, why should we take out the Soviet Union, the world's other great hope for human technological and cultural progress with us?") that prevents him from glassing the Eastern Bloc.

[Enigmajones]

Fort Ross and Russian California?

Would make potential sense.....if not for the OP specifically stating he was inspired by Soviet submarines and posted the thread in the Post 1900 forum.

[CaliBoy1990]

Recently I watched a vid of a Soviet Sub during World War 2 and I wondered...

How would the world look like if the Russians conquered the America's and stayed in power 'till the 2000's?

Post if read.

I kinda hate to say this, but......InterpolTomo's rant in the DoD thread about the *U.S. supposedly being 'libertine', and Jared's first outlines of *U.S. drug policy in said story, made more sense than this scenario(and that's saying a lot. No offense guys but.....). Kramer Associates becoming FWoAN's number one superpower, would be less ASB.

Hell, I could take either of my two main TLs and have the U.S. annex the entire Western Hemisphere, South Africa, Australia, and a chunk of Antarctica.....and it might just be not as ASB.

Sorry if this seems harsh, btw, and I apologize in advance. But in all honesty it really wouldn't work.

[Enigmajones]

I've heard references to Jareds first draft of US drug policy ITTL, but I've never seen it. Do you think you could summarize it for me?

[Petike]

Get him a beer, get him a beer ! :D

(Long-term board members will probably know what I'm talking about.)

[Georgepatton]

This is the truth, which is why the film Red Dawn is so damned FUNNY!

I liked that movie in a MacCauley-sort of way: it wasn't really about the war, it was about the characters. Just suspend your disbelief, and its a really good story.

[SergeantHeretic]

I liked that movie in a MacCauley-sort of way: it wasn't really about the war, it was about the characters. Just suspend your disbelief, and its a really good story.
Oh, don't get me wrong, I LOVE RD but I watch it for the lULZ not as a serious ilm. It's chock full o' Charectatures and widely drawn stereotypes of people.

No one i nthat film is anyone I could take seriously or accept as a real human acting realistically.

[B_Munro]

Not without a geological POD, no.

Numbers and facts, man, not random appeals to geology. :)

Bruce

[SergeantHeretic]

Numbers and facts, man, not random appeals to geology. :)

Bruce
The SOviet Union never had either an expiditionary navy or AIr Force and they never had the network of globe spanning fuel and logistics stations that would allow them to move major armies from the ole Rodina to the Good ole U.S> A.

It was just never going to happen.

That's why Right wing paranoia about soviet invasions is so absurdly funny, it was never going to happen even if the SOviets wanted it too, which they never did.

Their primary objective was to deter US from invading THEM which they knew we could have done if we ever went bugfuck because we actually DID have the logitisacl ability to do it.

ANd they knew it.

[B_Munro]

The SOviet Union never had either an expiditionary navy or AIr Force and they never had the network of globe spanning fuel and logistics stations that would allow them to move major armies from the ole Rodina to the Good ole U.S> A.

It was just never going to happen.

That's why Right wing paranoia about soviet invasions is so absurdly funny, it was never going to happen even if the SOviets wanted it too, which they never did.

Their primary objective was to deter US from invading THEM which they knew we could have done if we ever went bugfuck because we actually DID have the logitisacl ability to do it.

ANd they knew it.

I was talking about a 17th century Russian invasion of Aztec Mexico, not a 20th century invasion of the US. Do try to pay attention.

Bruce

[SergeantHeretic]

I was talking about a 17th century Russian invasion of Aztec Mexico, not a 20th century invasion of the US. Do try to pay attention.

Bruce
Oh.

My bad.

I'll just be over here trying on this Dunce Cap.