WI: Great Britain goes ahead with Operation Vegetarian

[Saladan]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Vegetarian

Here's the details of the thing.

Now I do know that one reason why the germans refrained from chemical weapons was because of fear of retaliation plus the Germans beleived that the allies were of equal strength and technological development as well. However from what I've read the Germans actually had a major lead over the allies.

So what happens?

[Henriksson]

In which year do they go ahead with this plan?

[Blackadder mk 2]

In which year do they go ahead with this plan?

I think it would be safe to say that it might be implemented in 1943 when a scapegoat can be found in case this backfires.

[Michel Van]

if this Madness had be realized in 1943 with drop of five million "cattle cakes"
it would had be "the end of the story" for Europe and USSR
because the british used highly virulent type called "Vollum 14578" what kill in days

It would not only kill German Cattle but also farmers who look after there livestock
also will allot of purchaser from cities be infected, who spread the anthrax over the Third Reich by car, Train

it will take some time until the nazi realize what hit them
and they will take drastic countervailing measure
like replace the warheads in V1 with gas(Sarin) or bioweapon? and fire them to Great Britain
in mean time they try to fight the pandemic, but antibiotic would be scarce goods
the first penicillin was only for the Allied military's !

to winter of 1943/44 all Cattle, sheep, goat, horses and wildlife will be death in The Third Reich
the famine will kill millions of people and will end in major uprise against Nazis regime
in same time infected germans cross the border to France, Belgium, Netherlands and other countries
to loot for food, infecting the livestock also, that start a chain reaction of pandemic and famine in ALL OVER Europe
so worst that D-day is channeled and the Allies to beat a retreat from Italy very fast.

here dependent who eager Stalin is to conquer The collapse Third Reich and Ignore the Warnings
if he goes a head, USSR will also victim of pandemic and famine

1945 in Europe only some million people survived on highly contaminated soil put under quarantine by the Allies, then later under U.N.
the British test side for "Vollum 14578" the Gruinard Island was successful decontaminated in only in 1986, 44 years after the test !

I could work out a detail TL on this, when required.

[The Red]

It would not only kill German Cattle but also farmers who look after there livestock
also will allot of purchaser from cities be infected, who spread the anthrax over the Third Reich by car, Train

As nightmarish as Anthrax is, this is something of an exaggeration, Anthrax rarely jumps from living human to living human.


it will take some time until the nazi realize what hit them
and they will take drastic countervailing measure
like replace the warheads in V1 with gas(Sarin) or bioweapon? and fire them to Great Britain
in mean time they try to fight the pandemic, but antibiotic would be scarce goods
the first penicillin was only for the Allied military's !

The Germans didn't have V1's in 1943, nor did V1's ever have aerosol warheads. The Germans didn't have any real biological weapons.



to winter of 1943/44 all Cattle, sheep, goat, horses and wildlife will be death in The Third Reich
the famine will kill millions of people and will end in major uprise against Nazis regime
in same time infected germans cross the border to France, Belgium, Netherlands and other countries
to loot for food, infecting the livestock also, that start a chain reaction of pandemic and famine in ALL OVER Europe
so worst that D-day is channeled and the Allies to beat a retreat from Italy very fast.



The famine will kill millions and bring Germany to it's knees but again, Anthrax isn't really an airborne disease, nor is it as deadly as this presumes.

[Emperor Norton I]

This is a lovely scenario for a crapsack 40s. I approve.

[Domoviye]

If the US skipped out on the war, and the USSR doesn't do very well, its likely Britain would do this. But as long as the US joins up, or the USSR looks like it will defeat Germany with British help, it will be avoided as too drastic.

[Grimm Reaper]

So what terms will be considered after Germany starts covering London in poison gas?

[Orville_third]

Churchill will be cursed for decades to come. NATO may never form. GERMANY may never reform.
World population will be lower.

[The Red]

So what terms will be considered after Germany starts covering London in poison gas?

I doubt this would be successful. Consider Operation Steinbeck (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Steinbock#Aftermath), the German revenge bombing offensive against the south of England from late 1943 to mid-1944. The Germans suffered over 60% casualties for very little success, few bombs reaching their targets. Not all of this would be Nerve Gas either, even if the Germans threw everything into producing it. The British were prepared for mustard or chlorine gas attacks, and this state of readiness will increase with the knowledge that a revenge attack is coming.

[nbcman]

Check out Calbear's Anglo-Nazi War timeline which includes the use of anthrax as a view of what could be:

http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=140356&highlight=anthrax+calbear

[LOTLOF]

Churchill will be remembered as being great a mass murderer as Adolf Hitler. A large part of the US public would probably consider him a war criminal. The greater morality of the Allied cause is permanently tainted. The British will be seen as willing to starve millions to death at a point when the Allies were winning the war.

In the post war world it's very hard to imagine the US wanting to have close ties with the UK.

[The Red]

The British will be seen as willing to starve millions to death at a point when the Allies were winning the war.

I don't think that would be the biggest issue, the Germans and Americans did tried this themselves after all.

[eliphas8]

I don't think that would be the biggest issue, the Germans and Americans did tried this themselves after all.

Yes but its important to remember that the US wasnt that successful and the germans who did it are remembered as some of the most evil human beings to ever stain the planet.

[The Red]

Yes but its important to remember that the US wasnt that successful and the germans who did it are remembered as some of the most evil human beings to ever stain the planet.

It would be hard for the Americans to defend their own actions on the basis of 'we weren't successful' though.

[eliphas8]

It would be hard for the Americans to defend their own actions on the basis of 'we weren't successful' though.

Totally but not many people bring it up because it was unsuccessful, again one of the most commonly listed Nazi and Soviet warcrimes was intentional famine in occupied regions.

[corditeman]

The V-1 cruise missile first flew 10th December 1942. The delays in its deployment (originally to be November 1943) were caused by diversion of resources to other wartime needs, including the less-efficient V-2 rocket programme.

As for aerosol warheads, that these were not developed does not mean that this was impossible. There is a tale that the Siracourt bunker was intended to launch a gas or biowarfare agent warhead on a V-1. Apparently, it was built with protected and filtered air supplies. Read 'Hitler's Secret Rocket Sites' for rather a stunner. The Germans may have intended to uses war gases on the warheads up to 1942, but this was apparently supplanted by the high explosive 'barrage attack' concept.

[Michel Van]

As nightmarish as Anthrax is, this is something of an exaggeration, Anthrax rarely jumps from living human to living human.
i was referring, that anthrax jumps from living Livestock on living human, like transport of infecting living Livestock to city.

The Germans didn't have V1's in 1943, nor did V1's ever have aerosol warheads. The Germans didn't have any real biological weapons.
you right The Red, first flight of V1 was june 1944, although for the V1 was study a Chemical warhead, but Hitler forbid the Chemical weapon use.
about The Third Reich bioweapon program i have no information.

The famine will kill millions and bring Germany to it's knees but again, Anthrax isn't really an airborne disease, nor is it as deadly as this presumes.
in the begin of pandemic it will kill Livestock and humans who keeping them, them it will jump on other wildlife animals, who wanders over county site and spread the Anthrax
also humans can carry the Anthrax spore and dispense them, whit out be infected


On remarks about why the British would start Operation Vegetarian ?
one POD is that Goebbels announcement of "destructive retaliatory weapons", and the Allies get wrong conclusion he means Chemical or Bioweapon
and Churchill order Operation Vegetarian put in action, to anticipate the Nazi attack on Great Britain

[The Red]

The V-1 cruise missile first flew 10th December 1942. The delays in its deployment (originally to be November 1943) were caused by diversion of resources to other wartime needs, including the less-efficient V-2 rocket programme.


The V-2 may have been less efficient but it was certainly a better way of striking Britain. If the Germans give the V-1 priority, they're sunk when the British begin to effectively counter them as they did IOTL.

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As for aerosol warheads, that these were not developed does not mean that this was impossible. There is a tale that the Siracourt bunker was intended to launch a gas or biowarfare agent warhead on a V-1.

Not impossible but it would certainly take months to develop. After the aerosol mechanism is taken into account I wonder how much would be left for gas? Also, timing the aerosol so that the V1 disperses it before it hits the ground would take a lot of effort, with a high failure rate.

[corditeman]

...As a Scientific Adviser I had to predict nerve gas cloud dispersion downwind as part of contingency planning in wartime. There is more difficulty dispersing cluster bomblets than releasing a gas-plume. The toxicity of nerve gases in causing injury, as against death, is unfortunately well-documented.

Regarding the dates of the V-1, here's a wikipedia quote. As far as I know, it's correct. Read 'The Mare's Nest' for verification.

The first complete V-1 airframe was delivered 30 August 1942,[5] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V-1_flying_bomb#cite_note-Zaloga_p._6-4) and after the first complete As.109-014 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argus_As_014) was delivered in September,[5] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V-1_flying_bomb#cite_note-Zaloga_p._6-4) the first glide test flight was 28 October 1942 at Peenemünde (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peenem%C3%BCnde), from under a Focke-Wulf Fw 200 .[8] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V-1_flying_bomb#cite_note-Zaloga_p._5-7) The first powered trial was 10 December, launched from beneath an He-111.[5] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V-1_flying_bomb#cite_note-Zaloga_p._6-4)

OK?

[The Red]

...As a Scientific Adviser I had to predict nerve gas cloud dispersion downwind as part of contingency planning in wartime. There is more difficulty dispersing cluster bomblets than releasing a gas-plume. The toxicity of nerve gases in causing injury, as against death, is unfortunately well-documented.

Regarding the dates of the V-1, here's a wikipedia quote. As far as I know, it's correct. Read 'The Mare's Nest' for verification.

The first complete V-1 airframe was delivered 30 August 1942,[5] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V-1_flying_bomb#cite_note-Zaloga_p._6-4) and after the first complete As.109-014 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argus_As_014) was delivered in September,[5] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V-1_flying_bomb#cite_note-Zaloga_p._6-4) the first glide test flight was 28 October 1942 at Peenemünde (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peenem%C3%BCnde), from under a Focke-Wulf Fw 200 .[8] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V-1_flying_bomb#cite_note-Zaloga_p._5-7) The first powered trial was 10 December, launched from beneath an He-111.[5] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V-1_flying_bomb#cite_note-Zaloga_p._6-4)

OK?

It may be easier than a cluster bomb, but then again the Germans never mastered cluster bombs eitherm the timing and dispersal isn't the main problem though, as it isn't to hard for the Germans to develop an aerosol warhead. The small amount of gas it could carry is a problem though, despite it's toxicity, as well as the general uselessness of the V1 as a weapon.

I'm not disagreeing that the V1 could be deployed by then, but it would take time to develop and produce the aersol warheads.

[sloreck]

The primary effect of such an anthrax attack will be malnutrition/starvation. Farmers/rural residents will have a significant anthrax attack rate, mostly cutaneous anthrax with some inhaled, and until the breadth of the infection is realized there will be deaths among consumers of tainted meat (intestinal anthrax). Anthrax is not communicable in the sense of human to human transmission, except under very limited circumstances. Anthrax as a HUMAN bioweapon threat comes about when you have properly aerosolized anthrax which is then inhaled leading to pulmonary anthrax (there are 3 forms: cutaneous, intestinal, and pulmonary). With the British plan direct human deaths from anthrax will be limited, the secondary effect of loss of animal protein for the population (and horses both for agriculture & the Heer) will be the major impact. Furthermore, restoring agriculture by decontaminating land and rebuilding animal stocks from a small surviving population will be both expensive and very time consuming.

In 1942 (and thereafter) the Germans have only very limited means of striking at the British population - V1s, let alone V2s, are not available even if they had warheads capable of carrying chemical weapons, and the ability of the Luftwaffe to deliver chemical weapons in the appropriate manner and quantities needed over the UK is quite limited. Introducing chemicals on the battlefield will not be that helpful. While the UK did not have nerve gas (Sarin/Tabun) they did have mustard, phosgene, and lewisite and could dump much more of that over German cities then the Luftwaffe could deliver to the UK - consider a bomber command raid with a mix of high explosives, incendiaries, and gas on a nice large area target like a city - delivered at night.

having said all that, the long term consequences of such an attack by the UK would not be good.

[MattII]

However from what I've read the Germans actually had a major lead over the allies.Only in weapons, in everything else, logistics, strategy, doctrine, etc. the WAllies were well ahead (see things like the Pluto pipeline, landing craft of all types, mine clearance, etc.).

An anthrax attack, will, as others have said, kill Britain's creditability as a 'good guy' once the truth gets out.

[Theodoric]

Actually, I think the Nazis having less cattle isn't going to be that bad for them. They were already scaling down a lot on all sorts of livestock, as livestock can be very inefficient; they need to be fed, after all. I know that when the Nazis invaded the Netherlands, they had the majority of all livestock butchered to spare expenses, since most fodder was being imported from abroad.

Sure, it's pretty disastrous by itself, and they'll have to search for even more alternative sources of fat, but since there's less strain on other agricultural sectors, I think they'd manage.

[Peg Leg Pom]

An anthrax attack, will, as others have said, kill Britain's creditability as a 'good guy' once the truth gets out.

How bad a hit depends on what prompts the attack. If its a pure bolt from the blue Churchill and Harris are likely to find themselves at the end of a rope. At this point in time barring some axis commander panicking and using chemeical weapons without orders from above, the only possible justification I can see would be the final solution. If credibale and indisputable evidence is released to the western press then public pressure could force such an attack. Such evidence would have to be able to stand up to the strictess legal scrutany however. They would need witnesses, photographs, official documents and statements from survivours as well as evidence that the German population is aware of whats going on. (in my oppinion they had to be, just transporting the victems involved too many people for news no to spread.)

[The Red]

An anthrax attack, will, as others have said, kill Britain's creditability as a 'good guy' once the truth gets out.

I doubt the genocidal maniacs are going to be considered the good guy.

WW2 might be seen in the west from a more grey vs grey perspective though.

[simonbp]

WW2 might be seen in the west from a more grey vs grey perspective though.

Was Truman grey? Or gray, for that matter? ;)

A lot does depend on the context, but in the case of Moscow falling to Nazis, there's nothing gray about it, it's just survival...

[MerryPrankster]

How bad a hit depends on what prompts the attack. If its a pure bolt from the blue Churchill and Harris are likely to find themselves at the end of a rope.

Who would be putting them on trial, exactly?

[Peg Leg Pom]

The next government desperately trying to distance themselves from the event in the face of the commonwealths disgust at the poisoning or starving of millions. If Britain dosent put its own house in order then it will be a pariaha state cut off from all international trade, with the US calling in all debts, following the German collapse.

[Domoviye]

The next government desperately trying to distance themselves from the event in the face of the commonwealths disgust at the poisoning or starving of millions. If Britain dosent put its own house in order then it will be a pariaha state cut off from all international trade, with the US calling in all debts, following the German collapse.
If Britain was about to lose the war due to US isolation and Soviet loses, and this wins the war for them, Churchill and the rest will be seen as tragic hero's who did what they had to do to stop the Nazi's.
If they did it while thing were in the balance, or worse they were winning, they'd be seen as monster.

[Peg Leg Pom]

Exactly. Like I said it all depends on what prompted the attack. If I remember correctly the cabability to launch such an attack wasn't there untill some time in 1942, by which time justifying such an attack would be very difficult.

[SAVORYapple]

if this Madness had be realized in 1943 with drop of five million "cattle cakes"
it would had be "the end of the story" for Europe and USSR
because the british used highly virulent type called "Vollum 14578" what kill in days

It would not only kill German Cattle but also farmers who look after there livestock
also will allot of purchaser from cities be infected, who spread the anthrax over the Third Reich by car, Train

it will take some time until the nazi realize what hit them
and they will take drastic countervailing measure
like replace the warheads in V1 with gas(Sarin) or bioweapon? and fire them to Great Britain
in mean time they try to fight the pandemic, but antibiotic would be scarce goods
the first penicillin was only for the Allied military's !

to winter of 1943/44 all Cattle, sheep, goat, horses and wildlife will be death in The Third Reich
the famine will kill millions of people and will end in major uprise against Nazis regime
in same time infected germans cross the border to France, Belgium, Netherlands and other countries
to loot for food, infecting the livestock also, that start a chain reaction of pandemic and famine in ALL OVER Europe
so worst that D-day is channeled and the Allies to beat a retreat from Italy very fast.

here dependent who eager Stalin is to conquer The collapse Third Reich and Ignore the Warnings
if he goes a head, USSR will also victim of pandemic and famine

1945 in Europe only some million people survived on highly contaminated soil put under quarantine by the Allies, then later under U.N.
the British test side for "Vollum 14578" the Gruinard Island was successful decontaminated in only in 1986, 44 years after the test !

I could work out a detail TL on this, when required.

I'd like a TL on this. It'd be interesting to look at TTL 2012

[SAVORYapple]

If Britain was about to lose the war due to US isolation and Soviet loses, and this wins the war for them, Churchill and the rest will be seen as tragic hero's who did what they had to do to stop the Nazi's.
If they did it while thing were in the balance, or worse they were winning, they'd be seen as monster.

I'd prefer something similar to the latter, since I doubt Churchill was that bloodthirsty.

WI POD is perhaps more successful luftwaffe attacks on Britain?
or is that ASB?

[Peg Leg Pom]

I'd prefer something similar to the latter, since I doubt Churchill was that bloodthirsty.

WI POD is perhaps more successful luftwaffe attacks on Britain?
or is that ASB?

I suppose if a V1 were to take out the King and Queen Churchill might lash out, but by this time it would an insane thing to do. He would need cabinate aproval to do this and just sugesting it would raise doubts about his mental state. His next radio speach would be his reluctant resignation due to ill health.

Of course if he were to suggest attacking Japan like this, and could get US support then no one would bat an eye. It makes more sence than the bat bomb and given Japanese actions in China could even be said to be in retaliation.

[Corder]

Question on retaliation - when the Germans realise what was has happened what stops them from loading up some bombers with infected cattle carcasses and dumping them in south eastern England?

[Gunnarnz]

Question on retaliation - when the Germans realise what was has happened what stops them from loading up some bombers with infected cattle carcasses and dumping them in south eastern England?

Nothing's stopping them, except I doubt it would have much effect. The things that eat the carcases would die, I suppose. So a few hundred foxes, stoats, weasels, various other mustelids, woodland creatures and birds, and perhaps even several dozen people. But that's about it - anthrax is not wildly communicable, and a few dozen carcases aren't exactly going to be contaminating England's prime agricultural areas.

[The Red]

Question on retaliation - when the Germans realise what was has happened what stops them from loading up some bombers with infected cattle carcasses and dumping them in south eastern England?

The crew would have to wear bio-chem suits, not a very effectively way to fight, especially when the other side has air superiority.

Also the decaying carcasses would probably shatter when they hit the ground, I doubt there be anything edible even for the local wildlife.

[The Red]

Was Truman grey? Or gray, for that matter? ;)

A lot does depend on the context, but in the case of Moscow falling to Nazis, there's nothing gray about it, it's just survival...

I think WW2 was more grey vs black historically, Germany being defeated by a biological attack which results in famine would increase sympathy for them though.

[The Red]

The next government desperately trying to distance themselves from the event in the face of the commonwealths disgust at the poisoning or starving of millions. If Britain dosent put its own house in order then it will be a pariaha state cut off from all international trade, with the US calling in all debts, following the German collapse.

The only problem with that is that the Labour Government was in the last government, they themselves would have to go on trial. :rolleyes:

[MattII]

Of course if he were to suggest attacking Japan like this, and could get US support then no one would bat an eye. It makes more sence than the bat bomb and given Japanese actions in China could even be said to be in retaliation.Roosevelt wouldn't bat an eye, but he might raise an eyebrow, it being that livestock isn't a big industry in Japan.

[Michel Van]

War is not White or Black / Good vs Evil
how Spoken George C. Scott in the movie Patton:
No man ever won a war by dying for his country. Wars were won by making the other poor bastard die for his.

let stay on my proposed POD:
that Goebbels announcement of "destructive retaliatory weapons", and the Allies get wrong conclusion he means Chemical or Bioweapon
what would Churchill do ? simple: win a war by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his first.
so from this point of view, Churchill is to forestall sth. the suspected Nazi "weapons of mass destruction" attack.
He know from intel report of unencrypted radio message of Wehrmacht and SS, what NAZI really donning in East Europe: MASS MURDER
So it's a natural conclusion that the NAZi would do same to Great Britain sooner or later
would a USA not involve in War of Europe, help this TL ? (POD: Hitler do Not declare War to USA)

This TL would be interesting "Diesel Desolation" scenario
Were World War 2 is not consider a "heroical battle against NAZI Evil"
but as "one bloody carnage, were the parties try to exterminate the other"

The picture show another way, how the Anthrax infection is transported on long distance
http://media-cdn.pinterest.com/upload/67131850665097373_I3zLx5BM_c.jpg
i know the picture show loading of geese into Ju-52, but also done with pigs, sheep, etc

[Orville_third]

Hmmmm...one more thing to change...
It's highly likely that Truman would have backed Churchill. However, one prominent US government politician would not have favored a genocidal approach...and he would be quite familiar with Anthrx and its effects. He already distrusted Churchill and the Tories. Perhaps he can gain more traction with this as an issue in 1948. I am of course referring to Presidential Candidate and former Agriculture Secretary Henry Agard Wallace.

[Grimm Reaper]

So Thomas Dewey wins in 1948? There goes any shred of respect Wallace enjoyed in the US...

[Michel Van]

Hmmmm...one more thing to change...
It's highly likely that Truman would have backed Churchill. However, one prominent US government politician would not have favored a genocidal approach...and he would be quite familiar with Anthrx and its effects. He already distrusted Churchill and the Tories. Perhaps he can gain more traction with this as an issue in 1948. I am of course referring to Presidential Candidate and former Agriculture Secretary Henry Agard Wallace.

your right about Truman, Orville
for Nazi "weapons of mass destruction" attack i had thought about this:

13 March 1943.
Oberst Henning von Tresckow put a bomb in Hitler Aircraft as the Führer visit Smolensk.
On the return flight the Condor explode and kill all on board,
as follows start battle in top of NSDAP, that end with Himmler & Goebbels in league.
Incriminated Göring that he and the British plot assassination of Adolf Hitler.
Later Göring was shot shortly after his sentenced.
the new Führer Himmler goes a harder line against the Soviets and order the use of poison gas on east front.
Churchill get the intel report...

[Orville_third]

So Thomas Dewey wins in 1948? There goes any shred of respect Wallace enjoyed in the US...
Personally, with Britain being our biggest ally in WWII and Churchill being persona non grata, I think Taft could easily win the nomination in '48- and perhaps victory. Truman would likely be remembered as slightly better than Hoover and Harding. Wallace and Taft's foreign policy views would likely be battling, both in 1948 and afterwards, but they would certainly be more popular than the current bipartisan consensus. (We could see a lot fewer wars in the world as a result...)

[Brigade Leader]

March, 1944
"Operation Vegetarian" goes ahead, millions of German and French civilians are killed and much of central Europe is rendered uninhabitable. Adolf Hitler, now almost a prisoner in his bunker, proclaims that this act will be avenged.

April, 1944
What remains of the Luftwaffe in a last ditch tit for tat effort launches an all-out suicidal air raid with nerve gas on London, Birmingham and Glasgow, Winston Churchill is killed in the gas raid on London when a Junkers Ju 88 smashes into the Cabinet War Rooms, bathing Whitehall with the deadly gas.

[The Red]

March, 1944
"Operation Vegetarian" goes ahead, millions of German and French civilians are killed and much of central Europe is rendered uninhabitable. Adolf Hitler, now almost a prisoner in his bunker, proclaims that this act will be avenged.

Not sure about the French, central Europe won't be rendered uninhabitable.


April, 1944
What remains of the Luftwaffe in a last ditch tit for tat effort launches an all-out suicidal air raid with nerve gas on London, Birmingham and Glasgow, Winston Churchill is killed in the gas raid on London when a Junkers Ju 88 smashes into the Cabinet War Rooms, bathing Whitehall with the deadly gas.

A similar attack was decimated in OTL, and that was only on London, they won't get much further north.

[Lord Brisbane]

Winston Churchill is killed in the gas raid on London when a Junkers Ju 88 smashes into the Cabinet War Rooms, bathing Whitehall with the deadly gas.
So wait, a JU88 somehow ploughs through the structure of a sturdy building, through five feet of reinforced concrete, working its way through hardened sub divisions, whilst its deadly cargo still manages to not be consumed in the resulting fireball of burning fuel and debris and just happens to find Churchill sitting there on the lavatory, the cigar dropping from his mouth and uttering "well that's unsportin', those Jerry's using ASB to help them.":rolleyes:

[MerryPrankster]

The next government desperately trying to distance themselves from the event in the face of the commonwealths disgust at the poisoning or starving of millions. If Britain dosent put its own house in order then it will be a pariaha state cut off from all international trade, with the US calling in all debts, following the German collapse.

The same U.S. in which sending home pieces of Japanese war dead as souvenirs was fairly common?

[Peg Leg Pom]

But they wern't white, and didn't live in the same town grandad came from.

[MerryPrankster]

But they wern't white, and didn't live in the same town grandad came from.

There was also a lot of anti-German sentiment in the United States, albeit not as severely as in WWI.

And there was a lot of Anglophilia too.

I doubt the U.S. would try to pull the plug out from under Britain in this scenario, especially if they've already been fighting together against the Nazis.