Empire of the Hun

[RoyalPsycho]

A timeline with thought put into it. Red is the timelines history.

The Empire of the Hun:
Attila does not drink as hard on his wedding night in 453 and survives to see his son and successor Ellac be given a more stable Empire running from Coastal France to Ukraine. Ellac inherits a kingdom that does not like his rule in 478 and much of his rule is spent fighting rivals, separatists and other barbarian invasions. Due to this there are a lot of losses in the West due to restless vassals and everything west of Alps and Rhine is lost.



The House of Attila continues to rule for several centuries. This however began a period of relative decline in the Empire Attila built. Despite many attempts to contain them the Slavic peoples were able to infiltrate into the Khanate in their thousands and whilst they were stopped from pillaging they still settled in the Empire and along with the local remaining Germanics quickly outnumbered the ethnic Huns.



There were also the constant uprisings either from upstart Sub-Khans or from disgruntled natives and vassals. The Allemani were one of the initial rebel races that ravaged the region of OTL Germany, Austria and Switzerland before the Huns expelled them from the Empire into Gaul. There were also two near Civil Wars in the Empire that almost escalated into proper Civil Wars before the Khans were able to put them down.



The most terrible was the War of the Cross in 827 A.D when there was an uprising around the Italian Peninsula by Christians who did not want to surve under their Pagan Shamanistic masters. The rebellion was easily put down a weak later but it led to the death of thousands.



In the 8th Century Western North Germany is lost to the Anglo-Saxons who maintained a kingdom in Frisia and suffers repeated Viking invasion from Scandinavia. These raids penetrated the Rivers Rhine, Elbe and Dneiper and raided the Hunnic settlements along the rivers. The Huns had no naval tradition and what few warships they had were too inadequate and their sailors too inexperienced to halt the raiders.



In the 9th the Magyar Khanate collapsed and the Magyar tribe attempted to migrate into Europe. They were able to seize Ukraine before a Hunnic army was able to stop them at the Carpathian Mountains.


The rule of Eoderic:
The 12th Imperial Khan of the Hunnic Empire Eoderic takes power in 978 and inherits a nation that whilst not at its peak is very capable of retaking its power. The old Gods had been dying out in the empire for centuries and the high percentage of Christians meant that the Empire would have converted eventually. Eoderic however is the first Khan to have actively convert to Christianity and sets an example to most of his noblemen. Eoderic then constructs a treaty with the small and fragile Magyari Khanate. He offers the Magyari the rest of Ukraine along with what would be Galicia OTL in return for their allegiance. The Magyar Khan would retain control of his people if he swore his allegiance to the Imperial Khan as a vassal. This was reinforced with Eoderic’s marriage to Virag the daughter of the Magyar Khan in 980.

Eoderic then set out on a mission to make the Hunnic Empire a supreme power in Europe like the Roman Empire of old. He claimed the title of Holy Roman Emperor and set out to reunite the Empire. The West was currently too strong to face him but Eoderic knew his borders were too well fortified for them to attack him.

To the south lay the Roman Empire of Byzantium. Eoderic saw this as the perfect chance to reinforce his claim to the Imperial Throne and to reunite the old capitals of the Roman Empire and prepared his Empire for war.

In 981 his forces crossed into Byzantine Thrace. They pillaged towns for miles and headed down into the Greek Peninsula. They were met at Katerini by a Byzantine Army. The battle was long and bloody as the Byzantines had long ago adopted and mastered their enemies tactics of mobile cavalry armies and their cataphracts were the heaviest soldiers in Europe. They were defeated by Eoderic’s use of artillery on the field that fractured the Byzantine infantry. With the Byzantine infantry routed Eoderic’s infantry forces were able to catch the unsupported cataphracts whilst the Hunnic cavalry were able to chase down and defeat the inferior Byzantine cavalry.

With the main Byzantine force defeated the Huns conquered the Greek Peninsula. They then headed North and East through Macedonia defeating Byzantine armies on three other occasions until they stood outside Constantinople itself. The siege of Constantinople is famous as one of the longest and most horrific military engagements in history. It eventually ended when the walls were eventually broken through and the Byzantine Emperor and his court were forced to break through the Hunnic blockade and flee to Anatolia where they established a Court in Nicaea.

With the Byzantine Empire controlling the Aegean and with Constantinople under his rule Eoderic ended his conquest. Awarding his best soldiers with titles and land he returned to his Capital in Dacia (the city of Attila founded on OTL Budapest in 465 A.D) to consolidate his new Empire. He now ruled from the Rhine to the Dardanelles and from Sicily to the Baltic.

Eoderic spent several more years fighting off external invaders, putting down rebellions and promoting Christianity and even invited the Papacy back to Rome though they respectfully refused and stayed in Iberia. In 983 Virag bore him a son and was followed with twin daughters in 986. Eoderic died in 1004 A.D at the age of 52. He left his son a strong and powerful Empire.


The Eoderic section has the most detail because it is an important part of the history. I do have notes on the rest of Europe but I have trouble with names.

[RoyalPsycho]

Heres a short overview.

The Outside World:
The Hunnic Empire had destroyed the old order and nipped the emerging new order in the bud. The ascension of the Germanic peoples had been halted.
The Franks had been almost annihilated by the Huns and their new Kingdom in Gaul collapsed. The Saxons had been pushed west and settled the coasts of Frisia, Northern Gaul and the island of Britannia. The Allemani people along with the Thuringians headed west into Gaul and established their own state in the North and Eastern portions of the region. In the region that would become Aquitaine a remnant Latin people were able to hold out and established their own Kingdom. In Iberia the arrival of other German groups along with refugee Latins displaced the Visigoth Kingdom forcing them further west. By the end of Attila’s reign in 478 the people of Europe had been reshuffled once again. Throughout Europe there was a strange mixing of Germanic and Latin culture.



There will eventually be more detail on the other groups.

[LSCatilina]

Just a detail, the hunnic "empire" never was enough stable to last after the death of Atilla. It is based on how much wealth it can plunder around him.

It's basically why the Huns slowly disappeared : germano-romans kingdom became to strong to be ravaged easily, the eastern roman empire was far too powerful, and what remained was already plundered too many times and not worth the worry to go on once again.

If you consider that there was at maximum 25% of Huns in the raids, and that other groups tend to live their own campaigns when they can...

[RoyalPsycho]

Well the premise is based more on the idea that there is a stronger Hunnic presence in Europe and there was a Hunnic Empire in the 5th Century. It's not that the Hunnic Empire is strong in this timeline, it's just still there for a while and really most of it's history will be constant fighting to stay together whilst it's Latin, Germanic and above all Slavic subjects slowly wear away at its culture and identity.
I know that Attila living longer still wouldnt have helped but again there is a civil war and most of the Khan's spend their reigns struggling to hold onto what they have and its the exception rather than the rule for them to expand beyond what they have.
In fact thats what Eoderic's piece is. It's the greatest they'll likely ever be. From then on they go the way of the OTL Byzantines and Ottomans, slowly getting worn away by their more dynamic and adaptable enemies maybe bouncing back but each time being a bit less of themselves.

[Mikestone8]

I know that Attila living longer still wouldnt have helped but again there is a civil war and most of the Khan's spend their reigns struggling to hold onto what they have and its the exception rather than the rule for them to expand beyond what they have.

I sometimes think it was Attila who brought it down.

After all, the Huns had already ruled from the lower Volga to the Lower Danube for about seventy years when he came to power, which sounds reasonably stable. But his conquests overstretched them and made their position untenable after he was gone.

[CandyDragon]

I sometimes think it was Attila who brought it down.

His sons killing each other didn't help either. :p

[RoyalPsycho]

Again this is on the premise that things are more consolidated. His sons and the other rivals do spend time killing each other. One just wins and everything doesn't collapse. This is due to there being a more stable Empire and all there neighbours being either ravaged or too far away to be a major problem.

[Mikestone8]

Again this is on the premise that things are more consolidated. His sons and the other rivals do spend time killing each other. One just wins and everything doesn't collapse. This is due to there being a more stable Empire and all there neighbours being either ravaged or too far away to be a major problem.


After all, Attila and Bleda reportedly didn't get on. Yet though Bleda didn't survive, the Empire did.

[RoyalPsycho]

Here are a couple of shorts on what happened to Gaul in this timeline.

The Allemani:
The Allemani had settled around the Rhine and OTL Bavaria and had been setting up a proto-feudal society. The arrival of the Huns in the area and its conquest forced the Allemani tribes into migration once again. Along the Thuringian and Burgundian people they travelled west into the fractured Kingdom of the Franks.

They were able to conquer and assimilate much of Gaul with the exception of Aquitaine which defeated the raiding forces that went in. Despite its relative weakness there were richer and easier conquests to be had elsewhere. Gaul west of the Alps and Rhine and East of Aquitania was settled and a centralised nation founded. The remains of the Roman infrastructure helped the Germans recover and soon trade and communication was established. This would lead later to the centralisation of the Kingdom of Allemand.

The Kingdom of Allemani finds through Aquitania, the now centralised Huns and the Papacy in exile. The Allemani began to have a cultural exchange through trade. As they were the neighbours of the Francians and Aquitanians they became part of the large trade links that took place through the regions. The cities of Marsseila, Toulouse and Ryion became major trade links in Western Europe. Another characteristic of the Allemani is the constant state of military readiness on their Eastern borders.

During the 8th Centuries like the rest of Europe Allemand suffered from the Viking invasions and had raiders reaching into the centre of the Kingdom through the Seine. Many Scandinavians settled in Gaul but were assimilated into the Allemani culture and were completely integrated into the Kingdom. Several Viking nobles did gain territories as vassals of the King.

The Kingdom of the Allemani first began to centralise shortly after the Vikings had receded to a greater extent. This was after an incident in 827 when there was a nobles rebellion against King Otto I who had begun to consolidate his control over the Kingdom much like the Imperial Khan and Aquitanian King. After this rebellion was finally put down a year later King Otto confiscated their lands and put them under his direct control. This led to reformation of the bureaucracy that adopted a lot of Aquitanian traditions including a form of Senate that did in fact include representatives elected from locals of the various provinces. Loyalists were granted the land but they served more as caretakers for the territory and answered directly back to the King.

One of the more intense moments in Allemand came with reports of Hunnic mobilisation. Until it was confidently reported that the invasion would be against the Byzantine Greeks the Allemani themselves prepared for invasion and began producing weapons and constructing fortifications in the Alps and Rhineland. The weapon production and stockpiling did end the fortifications were not abandoned and garrisons were maintained. There was a noticeable drop in the number of raids performed by Hunnic nobles as well as adrop in banditry along the border regions that enticed most Kings to maintain the forts and in the 11th Century expand them.

Aquitania:
The former Roman province was the most Latinized region in Gaul not yet conquered. They had a strong agricultural base and the governor realising that there was no Empire left to protect them called for the formation of a regional defence force to be formed.

During the 6th Century the Allemani sent raiding parties when they were beginning to settle East Gaul. The Aquitanian army were able to drive off the raiders and showed that there were people willing to defend themselves. The Allemani left them alone at the time whilst they consolidated their gains.

With time to reinforce the new King of Aquitania was able to fortify his nation. Confident in their new defences life continued as it always had in Aquitania. The Aquitanians attempted to retain all of the practices of their Roman forebears but there was an increasing Germanisation of the people. However the Latin language continued to be spoken and whilst the legions were maintained to a degree their equipment continued to show German influence.

During the Viking invasions the Aquitanians faced repeated attacks from Viking raiders due to the riches of their nation. In response to this the Aquitanians began to develop a navy to patrol their coasts and also began to fortify their major trading ports. This measure was employed to its greatest extent by King Rion II also known as the Philosopher King. He is remembered as the man who bankrupt the Empire with his fortification barely balancing the financial crisis with his new tax reforms but is also celebrated as the man who made it possible for the Kingdom to have a safe and profitable trade zone. He is remembered in the modern phrase “you have to spend money to make money”.

In the 9th Century their extended trade links with the Saxons opened up. Their main trade exports were in wheat, art, Roman style clothing and above all wine. This would define Aquitania's national image as a trade hub centred in their capitol of Burdigala.


Though not as specific it is more detailed in that it does fill in more of the blanks than my initial Hunnic segment. I will be editing and updating these existing sections as time goes by. Merry Christmas.
I'm currently working on the changes to Britain and Spain and then there's the Vikings (which were inevitable).

[RoyalPsycho]

Until I've finished looking at the Wesstern Eurasia I'm only going to the 11th/12th Century for now.
And now for the British Isles.

The Anglo-Saxons:
The Saxon Peoples were one of the many inhabitants of Northern Germany. The region known as Frisia was not conquered by the Huns but it was by no means left alone. The Angles, Saxons, Jutes and Frisians migrated West into what would be Belgium and Normandy and eventually spread oversees to the vast and vulnerable British Isles.

The Anglo-Saxons swept through the British Isles assimilating many of the local Brytannian Celts. The Anglo-Saxons faced the worst of the Viking raids in the 18th Century and lost Northumbria and much of Mercia to the Danish and Norwegian Scandinavians.

The Anglo-Saxon Kingdom however did better in their mainland territories. Despite having many of their armies tied up fighting the Viking raiders they did not suffer any other attacks due to the Viking raids affecting the neighbouring nations just as badly.

The Anglo-Saxon Kingdoms were eventually consolidated by Eathelhred I of the Kingdom of Sussex in 843 A.D. He was able to gain control through strategic marriage of diplomacy. Eathelhred becomes famous in English history as the man who built the Anglo-Saxon Empire and began the foundation of their own Empire. He pioneered a new system that had survived marginally in the Britons kingdoms which was the former Roman administration that was 'adapted' for the Briton Kingdoms. Eathelhred's reign is also characterised by the repulsion of the Viking Kingdoms in Northern England which would become the highlight of his small military career.

The Anglo-Saxons became famous for becoming one of the first centralised Germanic Kingdoms. However there was a problem with the new system. This was the division of the nation from the island territories and the mainland territories.

The 9th Century became a period of maritime revival in the Kingdom due to the Viking attacks and the new trade links being established throughout Western Europe. This allowed the Anglo-Saxons to bypass the Allemani and trade directly with the Aquitanians. This would lead to a cultural exchange between the Germanic and Latin cultures. This would affect the culture and governments of both nations.

The Picts:
With the reshuffling of the tribes of Europe the effects were further reaching than would be thought. The changes of the Anglo-Saxon invasions brought on a different movement of the Britons and Gaelic people. In what would be OTL Scotland the Scotii tribes failed to establish a full hegemony as they did and the Picts gained supremacy.
The two tribal peoples continued to fight one another between the 5th and 6th Centuries.

In 606 A.D King Mallasc of the Picts united his people and conquered the Scots giving him control of the Northern portion of Britain. The Kingdom was rickety at best for much of the 6th and 7th centuries with the Clan Chiefs controlling the King most of the time.

The time that could be seen as the worst and greatest moment of the Pictish Kingdom is during the Viking incursions. The Viking invasions ravaged coastal Pictland and destroyed many settlements and hill-forts. However the current King Malcelm united all the Clan Chiefs behind him and was able to organise a defence. He's remebered much like OTL Alfred the Great for defeating his enemies only by the virtue of making sure some of his Kingdom survives.

After that the Kingdom of Pictland remained in isolation and focused on maintaining their Kingdom until the Aenglish arrived in 1078.

The Eireish Gaels:
The island of Eire had been largely ignored by the outside world with the exception of the spread of Christianity. The Gaels of Eire continued life much as they had for centuries. Throughout the 5th and 6th centuries many Kings tried, failed and occasionally succeeded but ultimately fail to unite the island.

In the 7th Century the Viking raids reached the island and like always left signs of their invasion and settlement. This would later lead to a reconnection with the Papal church on the European mainland due to the expanded trade links established by the Saxons and Vikings.

Life in Eire continued much as it had until the 13th Century where everything would change.


Next is Iberia and of course this will be subject to editing and I won't move past the 12th Century mark until I'm completely satisfied with my changes and have a few more details.
Oh and if ANYONE is still interested in this thread do you think you could help me with names and maps PLLLLLEEEEEAAAAAASSSSSEEEEE!!!!!!!

[RoyalPsycho]

Still nothing? Sigh.
Well heres Iberia for anyone who cares I guess.

The Iberian Francians:
The Franks of Gaul had lost their homeland but were far from extinct. As they had once fled West from the Rhineland they again fled South into the rich Kingdom of the Visigoths, displacing them. The Franks were able to settle the North Eastern portion of the peninsula and set up a new Kingdom in the city of Toledo. The Francians however found themselves in an area with a higher Latin population than Germanic ravaged Gaul had. Though there were still a fair number of Basque and Visigoths. More importantly though the peninsula housed the Papacy in exile. This would begin not only the major Christianization of the Francians but also their Latinization.

The Arabic invasions of Iberia in the 8th Century forced the Francians North again. As the Arabic empire contracted the Francians once again went South. However the introduction of the Arabic Church into the Francian territory. The Papacy sponsored the Francian government to persecute the heretics and return the population to the Papacy in Tarraco.
In 973 A.D the Francian King Charles III would take the throne of Francia. He would be the first Francian King to actively sponsor the Papacy and Christianity in his Kingdom. With his support the Papacy would establish themselves in the city of Tarraco.

The Visigoths:
The Visigoth Kingdom that established itself in Roman Hispania was shaken apart in 459 with the migration of the fleeing Franks from Gaul. The Visigoths were already weakened by their recent migration and the fighting with local Latin people on the peninsula and the flood of desperate and warlike refugees overwhelmed their fragile, young Kingdom. The Visigoths soon found themselves on the run once again. Thankfully the Francians only settled the northern and Eastern portions of the peninsula and the Visigoths were able to survive in the more defensible Western region of OTL Portugal and Galicia.

The Visigoths would carve out a sizeable realm for themselves though they were ejected from Galicia once again by the locals. However in 763 A.D the Arabic Expansion soon reached the Iberian Peninsula and the Visigoths were conquered by the fats and efficient Arabic armies. However the Arab Expansion quickly contracted and by 779 they were pushed out of most of the Peninsula and the Visigoths reclaimed their land. However they did listen to the Arabs who preached of their branch of more localized Christianity (Medisian Christianity). It turned out to be more enticing to the Visigoths than the Christianity that preached near servitude to the Pope in exile and soon became the dominant branch in the Visigoth Kingdom.

This led to an alliance between the Kingdom and the Gadesian Emirate. Though they continued to hold a lot of enmity towards one another due to their primarily racial differences (more on the Visigoths part). However there was a lot of cultural exchange especially on the Gadesians part as they sent Medinian preachers that preached their policy of Arabic education as much as they did in the Gadesian Emirate.

The Galicians:
The Galician peoples had for a long time been an insignificant people and for many centuries had passed back and forth between Romans, Visigoths, Francians and Visigoths again. However in 617 A.D there was an uprising that ejected the Visigoth rulers from the North Western most portion of the peninsula. Some quick fortification of the mountain passes and a lot of determination that would almost rival the famous Jewish Revolt of the old Roman Empire saw the Visigoths repulsed from their new Kingdom.

For a time the Galicians were the home of the Papacy in exile and eventually ended up donating vast areas of land to the Papacy with the largest region that surrounded the capital being the equivalent of the Papal States until 975 A.D when the Papacy moved to Tarraco. Due to this the Papacy often superseded the King in terms of authority and the government became increasingly dominated by the bishops. Even local administration eventually was handed to the Parish Priests and Deacons. Even after the Papacy moved the bishops continued to handle the kingdoms bureaucracy.

Protected by the Papacy's position in the Kingdom the Galicians avoided conquest at the hands of the Francians.

However there was a refugee movement in the 8th Century of the Visigoths after the Arabic invasion. This eventually led to an attempted coup d'etat by displaced Visigoth nobles. Many of the immigrants who took part in the coup along with any rebels were expelled back into the Visigoth remnant by force.

The Gadesian Arabs:
The Emirate of Gades came into being in 772 A.D 9 years after the initial Arabic invasion into the peninsula. The Arabs brought thousands of settlers as well as Arabised Moors and Berbers as well as Medinan (Patriarchal) Christianity.

The centre of their Emirate was actually Cordoba originally. However they lost it to the Francians as their expansion overextended itself and contracted. However the Arab settlers were able to rally themselves around the city of Gades (Gadiz modern OTL) where the highest concentration of settlers were. The Gadesian Emirate was officially founded in 825 A.D.

The Gadesians brought much of their culture and civilization but remained Pariahs to much of the peninsula due to their heresy and especially to the Francians and the Papacy in Tarraco. However they did have an ally in the Medinianist converted Kingdom of the Visigoths. The Gadesians upon the establishment of their alliance with the Visigoths. They sent their own priests to the Visigoths to educate them.
The Emirate established itself as the cultural and trade centre of the peninsula and they were able to once again establish control over the other Arabic areas over in Morocco and Mauritania. As they expanded their trade links they faced competition in the already long established Carthaginian trading power and after several naval wars and some border skirmishing the two powers were able to establish their own major trading zones and the Gadesians instead turned West and South to the newly converted African coastal nations. In 973 A.D the Emirate reached one of it's greatest extents in it's history and would stretch from Spain to Senegal. However in 1001 A.D the Emirate began to decline.


Next will be North Africa and yes I will edit and detail the previous sections when I can.

[Errnge]

Making the text red makes it harder to read.

I glanced over this and so far all I can say is I would like more detail, the updates to not be in red, and a map would be nice :)

[RoyalPsycho]

Making the text red makes it harder to read.

I glanced over this and so far all I can say is I would like more detail, the updates to not be in red, and a map would be nice :)

I'll edit that but I don't yet know how to make maps so could I have some help with that. I'm working on detail I just want to get the outline down before I edit in the details it's also difficult since I'm no good with names and that makes things difficult if I don't have historical figures for the timeline.
However if there is some interest here's some ideas I have.

Notes:
Christian Arabs and Persians (Medinanism)
Arab/Latin North Africa
Scandinavian cultural Russia
Asian Christianity with the Buddha above the Christ
Francian Wars of expansion in Spain
The Expansion of the Nicaean Empire

[RoyalPsycho]

Well here's North Africa.

The Kingdom of Carthage:
Probably one of the stranger kingdoms of the Mediterranean. Another product of the ravaging of Europe the Roman Province of Africa saw an influx of Latin refugees that was increased by refugees from other surrounding provinces. Africa became a bastion of Roman culture until the Vandal invasion of 460 A.D. However even though it's armies were defeated the culture survived and for once the Germanic barbarians were integrated by the Latins.

The Kingdom of Carthage became a major economic power that was famous for exporting wheat to the surrounding states much as it had when those states were once were Roman Provinces. In 473 A.D the Kingdom suffered from repeated pirate attacks on their trade ships and so the Carthaginians attempted to return to their ancestral namesakes ancient tradition as a naval power. Their initial attempts were unsuccessful at first but after several years and with no others in the Western Mediterranean (with the exception of the occasional Byzantine ships). With a new professional navy they were able to establish a new hegemony over the Western Mediterranean.

In 746 A.D the Arabic Expansion reached Carthage. Once again much like their namesake the Carthaginians had focused on their army at the expense of their land army (except for the border guards due to the Berbers). The Arabs conquered and began to settle Carthage.
The Arabic contraction did not exactly reach Carthage but their culture began to be affected by the existing culture and the ruling Emirs were ousted by local aristocrats and generals in 831 A.D. The Arabs did succeed however in converting the Carthaginians to Medinanism. The Carthaginians continued their trading culture and began to incorporate many of the new Arabic education techniques into their culture as well as the new scientific discoveries the Arabs had brought with them. However in the Late 8th Century they faced a challenge against their trade hegemony in the Mediterranean as the Gadesian Arabs established their own navy and trading Empire.

Despite several small wars, coastal skirmishing and privateering the two nations were able to define their own trading areas as the Gadesians began to focus on the West African Coast.

The Empire of Aegypt:
Aegypt has an ancient and proud history and despite whichever ruler lorded over them they were nearly always the centre of that Empire's attention. During the last stages of the Roman Empire Aegypt was the bread-basket of the Empire.

When the Western Empire fell Aegypt still found itself exporting food for the Byzantines. Aegypt was also a centre for culture as the Library of Alexandria became a centre of philosophy and the philosophers began to look at the old culture of ancient Aegypt. However it was also a target of Byzantiums enemies. Pirates attacked tarde convoys, seafaring barbarians though few and far between raided some settlements and of course Rome's old enemy Persia continued its attacks as they had for centuries.

In 689 A.D the greatest Persian offensive in history began. The massive Persian invasion caught the Byzantines by surprise and their armies were routed. The Byzantines were able to rally in Anatolia at the siege of Antioch (670 A.D) but Aegypt was one of the many provinces lost. Aegypt was under Persian rule for 20 years and its riches were plundered for the Persian invasion attempts of the rest of Byzantium.
It was in 701 A.D when things changed drastically. It was then that the Arabic Expansion took place. At the battle of Palmyra (April 16th 701 A.D) the Persian Armies were routed and the Arabs ran rampant through Mesopotamia. The Persians were completely removed from Aegypt by an uprising that routed their garrisons. However in 703 A.D the Arabs reached Aegypt and the Aegyptians once again found themselves under foreign rule. However they found the Arabs as much more civilized oppressors than most in their history.

After the initial invasion the Arabs brought not only a new religion, that they were successful in preaching to the Aegyptians but also a new social policy. Education had become a part of Arabic culture and they found the old philosophical tradition of Aegypt incredibly interesting. The Arab governing theocrat even agreed to sponsor the library and worked even to expand it. Alexandria was established as the capitol of the province.

Aegypt remained under Arabic rule until the contraction of the Arabs which reached Aegypt in 819 A.D. Despite this there was still a substantial Arabic minority however the Coptics were once again the rulers of Aegypt. New treaties with Byzantium provided a trade link in return for Byzantine naval protection. This relationship would allow the two to prosper for centuries to come.

Aegyptian independence did force them to once again establish their own army that followed a strange combination of Roman and Arabic traditions in the case of infantry and cavalry. This was justified in the Ghassanid invasion of 978 A.D that gave the Aegyptians a victory and saw them establish a military alliance with the revived Nicaean Empire after the Hunnic invasion in Byzantium.


Next should be Anatolia and the Caucasus and as always I will be editing and updating what I have.
Well here it is. :( Still nothing.

[RoyalPsycho]

Please critque me, praise me, give me SOMETHING so I know if I'm doing something wrong.

[RoyalPsycho]

Oh well :(, never mind. I'm not going to stop yet.

The Empire of Byzantium/Nicaea:
Byzantium held the legacy of Rome and the unfulfilled ambition of many of its Emperors has been to revive the Empire. The Eastern half of the old Roman Empire had long been a bulwark against the Persians and the barbarians of the East and its defeat at Adrianople had cemented to its Emperors the inefficiency of its army and the capture of Emperor Valens by the Persians after he was defeated in battle showed how far Rome had fallen. Confidence and morale were shattered even further when the Huns took Rome and established their Empire. However the Empire bounced back in 483 A.D when they defeated a Hunnic Army at Seatopolis during the First Hunnic Civil War.

This victory despite being small returned some confidence to the Roman now Byzantine Empire. The Byzantines began to reclaim some of their Balkan territories.

After establishing and fortifying their new Northern frontier and with the Huns as a somewhat stable bulwark against further barbarian incursions the Byzantines focused on trade as the Eastern Mediterranean was under their control trade was stable and secure in the region.
However as always the Byzantines faced their ancient enemy, the Persian Empire. In 689 A.D the Persian Empire launched their greatest offensive on the Byzantines. Prior to the invasion due to an ineffectual Empire and their military being prioritised in the Balkans the Byzantines were driven out of Syria, Palestine and Egypt before they rallied in Anatolia and defeated the Persians at the siege of Antioch. The Byzantines however were unable to launch a counter attack against the Persians. This was due to the invasion of the Bolgarians in 756 A.D. The Bolgarians had recently migrated from the Volga Basin and after being diverted by the Huns and Magyars. The Bolgars instead moved through the Caucasus. The Bolgars displaced the Avars and other local people. They then raided into the Byzantine and Persian Empires.
The Byzantines now mobilised in the East were able to defeat the Bolgars and force them back into the Caucasus.

The Byzantines were luckily able to avoid the Arabic expansion as the Arabs focused on areas like Persia, North Africa and Somalia. However the rise of this new Empire and the danger that their new Medinian Christianity brought.
However the contraction of the Arabic Empire in 815 A.D saw the Arabic rule in Mesopotamia and Persia collapse. Byzantine Empeor Kommodus II took advantage of this and in 822 A.D he invaded and annexed Mesopotamia. Immediately after annexation he sponsored a local Persian and made him a Duke of Mesopotamia and made it a vassal under the Byzantine Crown. Kommodus then began to promote the Byzantine Christian Church and sent many priests into the Duchy. This led to the religious controversy that would define the region for centuries as Nestorian Persians, Medinian Arabs and Byzantine Greeks competed for religious and ethnic supremacy.

The Byzantines once again established themselves as the leaders of trade by making treaties and deals with the Aegyptians and even the huns to provide naval protection for their trade convoys to protect them from piracy. This once again made Constantinople a trade hub and was known as the Jewel of the East or simply The City in the Balkans.
However it was in the 10th Century when the Imperial Khan Eoderic took the throne. This was the Hunnic conquest of the Balkans where Constantinople was taken after a long a bloody siege where thousands were killed. The Byzantine Emperor, his court and the lead members of the military and bureaucracy were able to break through the naval blockade and escape to Anatolia. The threat of the more efficient Byzantine Navy stopped the Huns from attempting to take Anatolia coupled with their losses allowed the Byzantines to set up defended positions on landing zones along Anatolia as well as naval patrols through most of the Aegean. This saved the Empire now based in the city of Nicaea. With the city that was their namesake lost the Emperor Konstantine VII proclaimed his nation a new Empire of Nicaea.

The Khanate of Bolgaria:
The Bolgars were originally a tribal people who existed in the Volga Basin in OTL Russia. They left their home due to climate change and the displacement of the regional tribes. Originally they followed the other tribes into Europe. The Magyars above the Ukraine forced them South however they faced the still powerful Hunnic Empire and the Bolgars were diverted once again. The Bolgar migration was forced East and South into the Caucasus mountains. There they were able to carve out a home but it was still fairly poor and in the 8th Century they went even further South into Armenia.
It was there around 755 A.D that they found the Byzantine and Persian Empires. Most chiefs were put off by the strong superpowers but others saw them as targets of opportunity and led their clans into the Empire's boundaries, pillaging as they went. There was initial success but each incursion was ultimately defeated and the Bolgars expelled from these two powers. In the later 8th Century the Bolgars were united under a Khan and the Bolgars became a new nation in the region. It was shortly after this that holymen from the Empire of Byzantium came preaching the message of their religion and it's Messiah. The Khan Magar the Indomitable was converted to Byzantine Christianity in 784 A.D and he allowed Byzantine Priests into his Khanate and for Masses to be preached in his realm.

The Khanate was fortunate enough to avoid the Arabic Expansion directly but there was some trouble as Medinian Christians began to enter the Khanate and question the Byzantine Church. This led to the Wars of Faith in the Khanate that ravaged it for decades until 836 A.D when the Bolgarian Civil War began between a Byzantine Faction and a Medinian Faction. It ended in a Byzantine Church victory in 841 A.D after 7 years of fighting that left the Khanate ravaged. Byzantium under the rule of the young but shrewd Emperor Isaak I offered Byzantine support in Bolgar reconstruction and even development in return for Bolgarian vassalage. A desperate Khan Terelic accepted this offer and allowed Byzantine troops into his Khanate. Byzantine protection did help the Bolgars fend off the Persians and the Turks until the 10th Century when the Hunnic Invasion of Byzantium took place and the Byzantines withdrew troops to help defend Anatolia and put down uprisings in Syria and Mesopotamia. Bolgaria is currently militarising and fears the great possibility of Turkish invasions.

like all the others this will be subject to editing I also would like soem suggestions before I go any further what do any of you have to say and could some find a way for me to make a map for this.
Next is Arabia. What do you lot have to say then?:o

[LSCatilina]

You should make a map. It would really help.

And, make separation between your texts, right now it's monoblock, and quite hard to read.

It's a personal advice, and I've already said that, but : the idea wasn't bad and even original. If you have said these ideas were sketches i would have said it just need some work to make it plausible.

At least, maybe by giving more background of what happened between 400's and 900's would be enlightening.

I repeat, it's not a bad idea far from it. To use a chorographical plan instead of a chronological one is too rarely used to not be enjoyed.

[RoyalPsycho]

You should make a map. It would really help.

And, make separation between your texts, right now it's monoblock, and quite hard to read.

It's a personal advice, and I've already said that, but : the idea wasn't bad and even original. If you have said these ideas were sketches i would have said it just need some work to make it plausible.

At least, maybe by giving more background of what happened between 400's and 900's would be enlightening.

I repeat, it's not a bad idea far from it. To use a chorographical plan instead of a chronological one is too rarely used to not be enjoyed.

I'm no good at Chorography and I don't yet know how to make maps right now. Do you know anything that can help me maps?

[LSCatilina]

I'm no good at Chorography and I don't yet know how to make maps right now. Do you know anything that can help me maps?

Chorography is exactly what are you doing right now : describing situations at a T time, explaining their (alternate) story only as an element of their identity.

For maps, the only thing that can help is practice. I've proposed a simple tutorial (http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=208848&page=2) some times ago that could help you with inkscape.

If you don't want you to be bothered right now with that, just make a sketch. You can use paint, and using one of the many blank or background map existing on the board.

[RoyalPsycho]

Chorography is exactly what are you doing right now : describing situations at a T time, explaining their (alternate) story only as an element of their identity.

For maps, the only thing that can help is practice. I've proposed a simple tutorial (http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=208848&page=2) some times ago that could help you with inkscape.

If you don't want you to be bothered right now with that, just make a sketch. You can use paint, and using one of the many blank or background map existing on the board.

Oh Thanks a lot.:D I was just trying to write it like a very basic history text like it was from this timelines history lessons.

[RoyalPsycho]

Sorry still trying to figure out how to work the map but here's another update and probably one of the more difficult ones.

The Imperial Emirate of Arabia:
The Emirate of Arabia was originally a region of warring tribes and small city states that had existed in this situation for centuries. Changes came around the 6th Century when Christianity changed in the peninsula. Arabia was far from Rome and the Popes decrees rarely made it to the centres of the Arabian Dioceses and the loss of Rome to Attila, the relocation of the Papacy even further West to Iberia and the schism between the Iberian Papal Church and the Byzantine Ceasaropapism disconnected the Arabs from Catholicism even more.



In the 7th Century a yet unknown Bishop named Akh'mid that led the Diocese around the city of Medina. He preached the loss of guidance from the corrupt Papacy and that the teachings should be administered by local Theocratic Councils of Patriarchs. This religion rapidly spread throughout the Arabian Peninsula. Medinanism spread throughout Arabia and united the Arab tribes into an Imperial Emirate that centralised itself in the manner of its Byzantine neighbours. Hoping to emulate the Empires of Persia and Rome they sponsored education through both the Church and through educational institutes and academies. This was the establishment of the Arabic educational policies.



The Imperial Emirate of Arabia led the Arabic Expansion and by the mid 8th century ruled an Empire that stretched from the Indus Valley to the Iberian Peninsula. However after only several decades the empire began to contract. Initial stages of the contraction began in 887 A.D and was unstoppable by 889 A.D Not enough people had been converted immediately and the nations they had conquered had too defined an identity to wipe out.



This was known as the Arabic Contraction as their Empire fractured and disappeared and the Arabs found themselves once again confined to the peninsula. However they had left a large legacy and diaspora and had succeeded in their failure to conquer, to instead extend their religion throughout North Africa and the Middle East. This would lead to the Church of Yahweh and the Buddha later but that would not be for some time.


With this decline the Imperial Emirate was now a shadow of what it once was. Even fellow Arabs broke off from the Imperial Emirate to establish their own realms.



Soon the Imperial Emirate was confined to only the Western and Central portion of the peninsula with even the cities on the other side of the Red Sea lost to them and the neighbouring states fortifying their borders facing the Arabs. With the loss of so much territory, resources and above all morale the Imperial Emirate was left a husk of it's previous glory with only the splendour of the Holy City all that was left of it's great legacy. However in the 13th Century things would change.



The Emirate of the Ghassani:
The Ghassani were the earliest of Arabian nations to convert to Christianity. For many centuries they had simply been a small and somewhat insignificant border state that had replaced the Lakhmids.
However it was in the 7th Century that things changed for the Ghassani.



They found themselves quickly assimilated into the Imperial Emirate of Arabia. The Ghassani were quickly converted to Medinanism as like the other Arabs they had found themselves disconnected from the Papacy and its decrees for centuries.



The Ghassani were on the front-lines of the initial invasion. Several decades prior to the Arabic Expansion the Ghassani had been displaced somewhat from their original territories just South of Mesopotamia by the Persians. The Ghassani were some of the most fanatical and ferocious warriors in the army that broke the Persians and routed their armies during the initial stages of the expansion. Many did settle in Mesopotamia but most remained in their homeland until 852 A.D where they were relocated to the Eastern portion of Arabia or dispersed throughout the Arabian Empire.



After the contraction was complete the Ghassani found that they possessed land only around the Eastern portion of Arabia. The Ghassani had gone from the greatest members of the imperial Emirate to a small, impoverished nation in desolate Eastern Arabia.



The Yemeni Emirates:
The Yemen people had always been an isolated portion of the Arabic people.



The Yemeni Emirates formed mainly around the 6th Century from small Arabic clans into proper states as Christianity and new culture reached that portion of the peninsula. Despite these changes the Yemeni remained farming states much as they had been for centuries.



However during the rise of the Imperial Emirate in the 7th Century the Yemeni actually resisted the Imperial Arabic armies until it became obvious that too many Yemeni had converted to Medinanism. The Yemeni Emirs convened and then collectively struck a deal with the Imperial Emir to make their states semi-independent vassals under the Imperial Emir.



The Yemeni agreed to provide troops during the Arabic Expansion. Several decades later though the benefits of the Expansion became apparent to the Yemeni. The conquest of Persia saw new trade links to india appearing through the Persian Gulf from Mesopotamia to the Indus Valley and now the Yemeni Emirates were one of the trade hubs along this new route. Despite the contraction of the Arabs the Yemeni remained a trade hub as the new trade route was not abandoned.



In order to maximise the efficiency of their trade the Yemeni Emirs once again convened in 832 A.D to establish a new political system. The Emirs established a from of oligarchy to theoretically unite their Emirates without abandoning their individual sovereignty.



The Yemeni Emirates continued to control the trade links through the Persian Gulf and their greatest achievement happened in 911 A.D where the Yemeni established a professional naval force to patrol the gulf and ward off pirates.



The navy was put under the control of the Oligarchy as a whole rather than under the individual Emirs which also promoted in a sense the unity of the Yemeni Emirates. However in the 13th Century a crisis would strike that would cripple the Emirates.

Well there you go hope whoever reads this enjoys it :o.
Next is the Baltic Region HOORAY. Sigh.

[RoyalPsycho]

Well here it is another update. I really have too much time on my hands.

The Kingdom of Danemark:
The Danes were a German-Scandinavian people that had existed in the form of many different clan holdings and hill-fort settlements much like their ancestors. Also like their ancestors they followed the old Gods Woden, Thor and Tyr.



In an increasingly Christian Europe this left them as oddities btu also out of the way and largely insignificant to Europe as well.



In the 5th Century the Hunnic Empire reached the coast of the Baltic and upset the tribes along the region. The Baltic and Germanic tribes were all displaced and headed in many directions. The first incursions were by the Saxons. However they were beaten off by the more hardy Danes as well as the fact that most of the Saxons had headed West instead of North to the fabled lands of Gaul and Britannia.



This threat is what inspired King Reignar to unite the Danes into a kingdom to stand against invaders. His war of unification took 7 long and bloody years before the last of the Danish Clan Chiefs surrendered. Reigner confiscated their lands and placed his own Jarls on their thrones as representatives of his rule.



Later Danish Kings continued his expansion of the kingdom by moving into the Northern lands of the Norden or Norwegians and conquered all but the most Northern mountain strongholds. However it was in the 8th Century that something became apparent. There were not enough riches in the Kingdom to pay for all of the Kingdom's changes.



This is what led to one of the greatest periods of raiding and migration since the collapse of the Roman Empire. The Viking Invasions.



The Danes led the initial expansion and were soon joined by their Swedish and Norwegian neighbours. The Danes headed West and like the Saxons headed to the British Isles. They found the area under the control of several fairly complacent and rich Anglo-Saxon Kingdoms.



Their first raids were for wealth but they soon found the British Isles far more agreeable than their homelands and brought their families with them to colonise Europe.


The first realm was the Danish Kingdom of Yorvik in OTL Northern England. Yorvik was rich and exported wheat and grain back to their homelands. Pther Viking settlements appeared across Northern Gaul and Germany and at one time in the Mid 9th Century the King of the Danes ruled from Norway to Ireland and Aquitania. One result of the expansion was the arrival of Christianity to Scandinavia.



The old Gods had been dying in the Kingdom for many years now and a religion that offered more then it asked for was far more enticing towards the Danes and their subjects. The Danish King was happy to follow Catholicism as the Pope was far from Danemark and the Pope's attention was usually far more focused on other matters to bother with some barbarians in northern Europe and so the local priests were left to handle religious matters by themselves.



However this quickly contracted as the peoples they raided recovered and developed methods to combat the Viking raiders and soon new navies patroled the coasts and the Viking colonies were isolated from their homelands. The greatest blow came in 881 A.D when the Kingdom of Yorvik fell to the Anglo-Saxon King Eathelhred and the Danes had lost all their oversea colonies and territories except Norway.



The last link to Danish prosperity was to the amber trade that continued with Europe however the Saxons had replaced them not only as seafarers but as traders as well and by the 10th Century the Danes had once again faded to obscurity.



The High-Kingdom of Skandia:
Skandia was for centuries a collection of Norwegian, Swedish, Finnish and Soumi states that farmed, traded and fought with one another just as they had since their ancestors arrived. The centuries passed them by with little consequence on their culture.



However it was in Late 5th Century that things began to change. The Danes had united and begun to invade Skandia whilst to the East the Littorns had united also and begun to develop their own cities and armies under the Huns.



According to accounts a previously unknown Swedish Warlord named Styirka Undulsson cobbled together an Empire in Skandia and was able to beat his neighbours into submission.



However despite this the High-Kingdom faced a similar problem to the Danes. Skandia was poor but whilst the Danes could leave for new lands the Skandians were trapped in their own land by the Danes. So they turned to the rivers instead. The Skandians raided down rivers like the Elbe and the Dneiper into the Hunnic Empire and also raided the Littorn and the Hunnic Empire.



These actions allowed the High-Kingdom to survive. Skandia much like Danemark is the remnant of a former power but unlike the Danes the Skandians were able to adapt and engaged in trade with the Huns and Littorn and have become brokers and guards for these trading powers. Also in keeping with their Viking traditions the Skandians migrated out as mercenaries for other European nations.



The Kingdom of Littorn:
The Littorn are seen as one of the oldest continuous people in Europe. The Littorn people are described as a Baltic people however in the 5th Century with the coming of the Huns it also brought the Slavs to the region. The Slavs failed to wipe out the native Baltics but it brought some changes. One of these was the attention of the Huns who raided the region and demanded they become their vassals.



This led to one of the most profound events in their history. This was when the Littorn both Baltics and Slavs were united under a centralised authority by the Huns. The Littorn threw off the Hunnic control in 742 A.D during the Second Hunnic Civil War. The Littorn returned to the way they had spent much of their life for centuries and even began to abandon the centralised government the Huns had established as the old ways were reimposed.



It was in the 8th Century that the Vikings attacked their coastal settlements however with no navy, no army and no centralised authority to combat this the raids continued largely unopposed.



The greatest period of change took place in the Late 9th Century when Christian missionaries sponsored by the huns and even by the Danes arrived in Littorn to convert the Littorn. With the exception of a few isolated rural communities the majority of the Littorns were converted by the year 1000 A.D.

Next is West Asia. Yay.
Well some replies would be nice just so I know people still care about my work other than my 'rant turned discussion thread'.
Oh well :p. Sigh.

[RoyalPsycho]

Scratch any of my previous statements on difficulty. THIS one was difficult.

The Khanate of the Gorturki:
The Gorturki are a branch of the Turkic tribes that lived in Central Asia. For many centuries they lived much of their lives as they had for centuries whilst either attacking Persia or serving as their vassals. It was in the 8th Century around 796 A.D that the Gorturki people united the surrounding Khanates under a new super nation. However the system was still decentralised and the old individual Khans and nomadic tribes still ruled much as they had.

Due to this one of the greatest problems for the Khanate, that was religious controversy. Central Asia had been the battling grounds for to religions Nestorian Christianity and Buddhism. Both religions gained many followers in the region and this began to cause conflict between the tribes under the Gorturki rule.

This would be ended in 872 A.D when a strange man appeared in the Khanate's borders. He said he had no name merely a mission and that he had been revealed the truth. He preached of the compassion, benevolence and power of the God Yahweh and of the Messiah Jeshuah of Nazareth. However he also told of Yahweh's greatest Prophet the Teacher Buddha who would guide humanity towards salvation. The new religion spread throughout the Khanate and by 875 A.D even the Khan was converted. The Khanate then sent out preachers of its own and annexed those small states that were converted. This began the Westward expansion of the Gorturki until they eventually reached the borders of the European Kingdoms.

Despite the peaceful teachings of their religion many enterprising tribal Khans saw the European states as targets of opportunity whose static lifestyles made all the easier to raid. This would continue for several more centuries until the 13th Century where a great disaster would hit the Khanate and the rest of Europe.

The Empire of Persia:
Persia is an ancient and proud Empire that had for many centuries been the centre of culture and power in the Middle East. The Persian Empire had for centuries been in a state of constant conflict with the Roman/Byzantine Empires and in 689 A.D the persians launched their greatest offensive on the Byzantines.

They attacked when the Byzantines were at their weakest at the time and were quickly defeated. The Persians took Syria, Palestine and even Egypt before they had overextended themelves and had to halt their offensive.

However they had inadvertently spelt their own doom with this offensive. It was in 741 A.D that the Arabic expansion began and the overstretched Persian lines still in conflict with the Byzantines were attacked by the Emir's forces. With their armies overstretched and weary the Persians were defeated and their Empire lost to the Arabs who ruled for several decades and attempted to convert the Persians to Medinanism.

The Persians remained under Arab rule for several decades until the contraction where the Persians rose up and ousted the Arabs from Persia. The Empire was once again under Persian rule however it was battered and war-torn and soon found itself under attack from the Turkic tribes. There was also the problem with the large number of Christians now in the Empire that had now become an obvious problem.
The Empire's greatest problem came in the 7th Century when the Yahweh-Buddhists arrived in the Kingdom. It took longer to convert the Persians than it had the Turks but in the desiccated Persian Empire the Yahweh-Buddhists were even more appealing.

It was in 912 A.D when a Yahweh-Buddhist uprising took place in Persia that removed the Zoroastrian aristocracy and put a Yahweh-Buddhist ruler on the throne. This also lead to the final break-off of the Persians in Mesopotamia and also the opening of trade links with the Gorturki.
However in the 13th Century a terrible disaster would strike Persia and the rest of Europe.



Next should be East Africa with any luck.

[RoyalPsycho]

Well I'm finished up to the 13th Century.

The Kingdom of Nubia:
Nubia was a nation reconstituted by the Byzantines in 673 A.D to act as a vassal state and guard over the Nile River and the trade that took part on it. The Byzantines gathered together the tribal Kingdoms that existed along the River Nile and created a single Kingdom under Byzantine protection. The Byzantines spent several years putting down uprisings and establishing their control over the new Kingdom. The Nubian King was simply a puppet of the Byzantine Emperor and every decision made had to be approved by the commander of the Byzantine forces.

In 713 A.D the Kingdom declared it's independence from the Empire when the commander of the local garrisons an efficient and charismatic man overthrew the monarch and declared himself King David of Nubia. David repulsed a Byzantine force sent from Aegypt and spent several years consolidating his rule.

Unfortunately he died childless 2 years later from septicaemia contracted from a battle wound. His successor was a native that had served under him in the military. His successor turned out to be a better diplomat than a soldier and was only able to avert invasion through a series of trade and diplomatic treaties first with the Byzantines and then the Aethiopians.

During the Persian occupation the Nubians continued their trade in order not to gain the Persians attention. Nubia remained quiet for decades and remained out of the attentions of both the Persians and the Arabs. However in 712 A.D Arab missionaries entered Nubia. Like the rest of Africa Nubia was rapidly converted to Medinanism. Their alienation from the Byzantine Empire and its Church helped accelerate the conversion. Unfortunately the Expansion did reach Nubia. The Imperial Emirate began seizing coastal cities and establishing colonies of their own on the Nubian Coast.

During the contraction the Nubians seized the unprotected Arab colonies and took control of the trade hubs along the Red Sea coast. However they were unable to establish a navy of their own and had to open up their ports to Arabic warships for their protection from the pirates that scoured the Red Sea.

Nubia would remain a vibrant nation until the 13th Century where a terrible disaster would change everything.

The Empire of Aethiop:
Aethiop was an old nation that had existed in one form or another for many centuries before the rise of the Huns or even Rome. Despite their age and history the Aethiopians had remained a small and rather insignificant nation that carved out a home in the northern Edge of the mighty Rift Valley. Here they had built majestic temples and mighty cities and had kept themselves out of the attention of much of the world. They had traded with the other powers of the Red Sea area but had little contact otherwise with the outside world.

Christianity had already existed in the Kingdom since the 1st Century. However like the rest of Africa Aethiop was visited throughout the centuries by missionaries from the other Kingdoms. Their own unique religious denomination was maintained by their terrain. This allowed them to also maintain their isolation.

However in 8th Century Aethiop opened relations with Nubia and also with the Arabs and Somalis when the arabic Expansion took place. Aethiop's isolation was once again maintained by the contraction with their neighbours crippled by the chaos of the contraction.

Aethiop's isolation would once again be it's saving grace in the 13th Century when a terrible disaster would strike Europe and all of aethiop's neighbours but would be stopped by Aethiop's low population and the complex labyrinth of the Rift Valley.

The Somali Emirates:
The Somali tribes had existed on the region of the Horn of Africa. The Somalis had fought and traded with one another whilst they farmed, herded and hunted in the region. It was in the 8th Century that the Imperial Emirate's navies reached the coast during the Arabic Expansion. The Arabs established colonies and converted the Somalis to Medinanism.

Despite the Arabs best attempts the Somalis retained their traditional lifestyles and the contraction saw the coastal cities abandoned by the retreating Arabs. Some warlords did establish themselves as trade-lords of the coasts at least by the standards of the Somalis.



Well it will be edited but I'm done so far. However I have some ideas of what will happen and just you wait for the changes in East Asia and Central Africa. However Europe will face it's greatest hardship since the Fall of Rome.

Well here you all go.

[Reichenfaust]

One point. Christianity is not some inexorable unassailable force. The Huns Shamanism, and values could easily be better used by their Empire, as they probably did not want to create another rival in their Empire with the inclusion of a clergy like OTL Roman Catholics. I think it is very unlikely that any hun, 1 or 1000 years later would convert to something they see as decadent, and having weaker values.

[bolhabela]

Whats the situation of the Magyar Khanat? You left the out.

[RoyalPsycho]

Whats the situation of the Magyar Khanat? You left the out.

The Khanate collapsed and became a vassal of the Huns in the 9th Century everything prior to that was rather OTL.

[RoyalPsycho]

One point. Christianity is not some inexorable unassailable force. The Huns Shamanism, and values could easily be better used by their Empire, as they probably did not want to create another rival in their Empire with the inclusion of a clergy like OTL Roman Catholics. I think it is very unlikely that any hun, 1 or 1000 years later would convert to something they see as decadent, and having weaker values.

Sorry I know that I'm still working on this at the moment.

[Reichenfaust]

Sorry I know that I'm still working on this at the moment.

Still its a great story, and I would love to see a surviving Hunnic Empire. Eventually though an epic clash of huns and mongols will happen though right?

[RoyalPsycho]

Still its a great story, and I would love to see a surviving Hunnic Empire. Eventually though an epic clash of huns and mongols will happen though right?

Sorry but the Mongol Empire won't come to power but there will be a major battle of two steppe powers in Europe.

[Sang]

Sorry but the Mongol Empire won't come to power but there will be a major battle of two steppe powers in Europe.

What about the Hungarians? (Magyars)
Will the Kingdom of Hungary be created?
Will the Hungarians still claim Hunnic ancestry? (Medieval Magyars claimed to be descendants of the Huns. Székely people in Transylvania still do)

[RoyalPsycho]

Well here's some new ideas. Tell me if any are bad.

Post 13th Century Notes:
Bubonic Plague outbreak.
Yahweh-Buddhist Crusade in Persia
The Rise of the Aegyptian Empire
First Jewish Emperor of Nicaea
The Hunnic Gorturki Wars
The Saxon Conquest of Eireland
the Allemagni Hunnic Wars

Well I'd best go and look up on some changes to East Asia as well.

[RoyalPsycho]

What about the Hungarians? (Magyars)
Will the Kingdom of Hungary be created?
Will the Hungarians still claim Hunnic ancestry? (Medieval Magyars claimed to be descendants of the Huns. Székely people in Transylvania still do)

Well the Magyars are part of the Hunnic Empire. They may claim some connection to the Hunnic legacy especially as the real Huns become increasingly Slavic. As the Huns decline they will establish their own Kingdom in the Ukraine and might even establish their own Empire later on.

[Reichenfaust]

Well here's some new ideas. Tell me if any are bad.

Post 12th Century Notes:
Bubonic Plague outbreak.
Yahweh-Buddhist Crusade in Persia
The Rise of the Aegyptian Empire
First Jewish Emperor of Nicaea
The Hunnic Gorturki Wars
The Saxon Conquest of Eireland
the Allemagni Hunnic Wars

Well I'd best go and look up on some changes to East Asia as well.



All good points, and interesting ideas.

[RoyalPsycho]

Sorry anyone :(.
But I still can't make any maps so i'm just moving on with the text boxes unless anyone is willing to make a map for me (hint hint). Any way I just realised that on the original Huns post I only went up to the 11th Century so my next post will be covering the 11th-16th Centuries, whilst the others will be 13th-16th Century.
Well there it is:o.

[RoyalPsycho]

Well here you go and I'd just like to say that this was especially difficult to write but I didn't want to let you or myself down on this one:).

The Decline and Death of the Hunnic Empire:
At the death of Eoderic the Hunnic Empire was at it's greatest extent since Attila's death however Eoderic had also set it up for it's destruction.



Despite his conversion to Christianity and his devout piety Eoderic had one vice that was not properly recorded until after his death. Despite Eoderic's marriage to the Magyar Princess Virag he was a philanderous womaniser and kept several mistresses. By his death he had his three children with Virag and close to 10 illegitimate children at least on record.



All of the male heirs he left behind claimed the throne for themselves and the 4th Hunnic Civil War began. The Civil War crippled the Hun's already overstretched military and most of Eoderic's previous conquests broke off. The Greek Peninsula rebelled and then fell apart into numerous city states, principalities and petty kingdoms, these states mainly became vassals and protectorates of the Nicaean Empire. Fortunately the Huns were able to hold onto much of Thrace and Constantinople.



The next blow came in the Ukraine where Hataulf, Eoderic's son with Virag claimed possession of the Magyar Khanate and broke it off from the Hunnic Empire. Despite these losses the Huns were eventually able to rally around the greatest of the rival claimants Brekga, who was able to hold onto what was left of his Empire. By 1013 A.D the empire was a fraction of what it had been upon Eoderic's death.
However the Empire faced it's next threat barely a month after it had reconsolidated itself.



On April 17th 1013 A.D the Allemani invaded the weak Empire. An army led by Allemani King Frederick II crossed the Rhine into OTL Bavaria and laid waste the the armies of the local Sub-Khans. The Imperial Khan Brekga led his own army to face Frederick's army at Ennsburg a German settlement founded before the Allemani's ancestors were forced out of their lands.
The Allemani relied on armoured horsemen and heavy infantry but it hired mercenary horsemen from Iberia and Carthage. The Hunnic army facing it was made up of levy troops with the exception of Brekga's armoured horsemen bodyguards. The Allemani immediately charged the Huns battlelines whilst the mercenaries were sent round the flanks. Brekga broke off from his main force with his bodyguards and taunted Frederick's unit from the main force. Frederick being overconfident gave chase to Brekga's unit and was soon separated from his army.



The battle ended when Frederick realised that he had been led into a trap by Brekga but it was too late as his knights were cut off and surrounded by Brekga's forces and he was killed. Brekga returned to the battle with Frederick's head on a lance and rode around the battlefield waving it like a standard. The sight of their king's head on the Imperial khan's lance demoralised the Allemani who broke and ran. Brekga however was unable to give chase to them with his exhausted army and the Allemani rallied in Bavaria. Brekga had no choice but to sue for peace and soon a treaty was worked out. However the Allemani were able to keep their remaining conquests which they fortified too heavily to retake.



Brekga's reign was characterised with further reforms to the army to create a professional military force as well as fortifying and consolidating what was left of his Empire. He died in the year 1034 A.D.



The next few decades saw Brekga's successors straining to hold onto the Empire as the many races under Hunnic control as well as many of the more independent minded Sub-Khans saw this as their chance to break away. The greatest of these was when one of the Northern Slavic vassal states that bordered Littorn rebelled against the Imperial garrison hoping to emulate their Northern 'brethren'. It failed horribly and the Hunnic retribution on the rebels was almost on par with the crushing of Spartacus' rebellion.



In the year 1099 A.D the Imperial Khan Attila II hoping to live up to his name-sake once again attempted a conquest. His target was the Empire's old vassal the Magyar Khanate. His invasion was successful as the Magyars had been suffering from economic problems and internal unrest from the corrupt and incompetent Khan. Attila was able to successfully conquer/'liberate' the Magyars from their ineffective rulers but this woould be the limits of his conquest as the Dacian and Italian provinces began to rebel due to Attila stripping their garrisons to acquire extra manpower for his conquest. Attila quickly returned to the Empire and quashed the rebellions from Sigdunum and Venecia.



It was then that one of Attila's more philosophical advisors suggested a solution to the manpower problem as the old system required Hunnic citizenship and ancestry to qualify for the military professionally. Under this suggestion Attila opened the military to all ethnics which added thousands of potential soldiers to his military and recruitment reached record levels in the Empire.



With the expansion under Attila however the threat it had been a buffer against became present to the Empire. During the period where the Magyars had their independence the Gorturki tribe of Central Asia had expanded and had also brought their new religion with them. Yahweh-Buddhist missionaries soon infiltrated the Empire. This caused dissent between the conservative Hunnic priests and the Yahweh-Buddhist preachers. It was in 1187 A.D that a group of priests gathered together to form the Hunnic Inquisition. The Inquisition would become infamous across Europe for its zeal and it's cruelty.



However any of the Empire's trials that it had faced would pale in comparison to the one that it would soon face.



It was in 1227 A.D that a terrible pestilence struck the continent. The most obvious symptom of the plague was the formation of massive swellings or buboes on the victim. The plague struck from two directions and quickly spread across the whole of Europe sparring no-one. Every nation was affected and the death-toll quickly reached the millions. Whole provinces were depopulated as their inhabitants fell to sickness whilst others were forced to migrate to escape the pestilence to escape the pestilence. However there was nowhere to escape to as the pestilence could be found everywhere. Mercifully the Black Plague (named after the colour of the buboes) as it was named only lasted 3 years before it had wiped itself out.



The plague left the Empire in a worse state than it had ever been in history. The Empire had lost nearly 75% of it's population and it's workforce was crippled horribly. The Hunnic Empire continued however to limp onwards as it slowly recovered it's population. The 1240s are remembered as one of the most bloody as the Inquisition used the Yahweh-Buddhist as scapegoats for the Black Plague. Soon large wooden stakes for burning were erected in nearly every settlement in the Empire. It was in 1247 A.D that the Yakkofv the Cardinal of Attila the head of the Inquisition superseded the Imperial Khan and established a Theocracy over the Hunnic Empire.



In 1275 A.D the Imperial Cardinal declared war on their greatest enemy the Gorturki Khanate. The Hunnic army crossed the border into Gorturki territory, burning and pillaging as it went. The Huns wiped out entire tribes for their heresy whilst some commanders at least attempted to convince the Gorturki of converting. However the war ended once winter set in and the overstretched Huns found themselves stranded in enemy territory, in a hostile climate with zealous enemies and alienated locals attacking their supply caravans.



The war ended in humiliation when the commander of the army ordered a retreat that cost hundreds of lives as the Gorturki used hit and run attacks to whittle the retreating Huns.



The Theocracy lasted for many more decades until the Late 14th Century where disgruntled peasants oppressed and persecuted by the ruling Theocrats rose up and overthrew the government. The leader of the rebels was a Yahweh-Buddhist who believed in religious tolerance. He crowned himself the Imperial Khan in 1394 A.D and began a new chapter in the Hunnic Empire. An age of religious tolerance swept through the Empire sponsored by the new Imperial Khan who despite his own religious alignment did not persecute the other religions in his Empire or his remaining vassals. However many of the people in his Empire were unable to accept this and there was religious turmoil though it never became apparent to the public at large there was conflict between the conservative Christians and the new Yahweh-Buddhists that culminated in one Yahweh-Buddhist community lynching it's remaining Catholics.



News of this reached the Pope in Tarraco in 1401 A.D. The Pope had already denounced the Empire and it's new heretical ruler but was enraged when news of the abuse of the Empire's Catholics reached his attention. The Pope called for a Holy War or Crusade to reclaim the Hunnic Empire from the heretics. King Henry I of Allemand and Emperor Aelfred II of the Saxons responded to this and sent their armies along with thousands of militant peasants to invade the Empire. The Northern Crusade was the final nail in the coffin for the Hunnic Empire. Dsespite valiant efforts the Huns were routed and obliterated at the Battles of Rumada and Alldeburg. The Imperial Khan was overthrown, the Yahweh-Buddhists driven out of the Empire and the final end of the Hunnic Empire.



The Pope proclaimed the Crusade a victory and personally blessed the two monarchs who had led the crusading forces. He also presided over the creation of the Holy Danubian Empire from the remnants of the Hunnic empire and the crowning of Oberon I a Hunnic German who had assisted the Crusade by offering his personal support to the Pope and had been the one who led the army at Alldeburg and killed the Imperial Khan Attila III. With his crowning the Hunnic Empire that had stood for nearly a thousand years was destroyed.

Well there you have it the Hunnic Empire dies with both a whimper and a bang:cool:. But just because they're gone doesn't mean the thread is gone the changes the Huns made live on even if they don't.

[RoyalPsycho]

My next few posts are going to be by section like before and htey are going to be in this order.

Gaul:
The Kingdom of Allemand:
The Kingdom of Aquitania:

Britain:
The Empire of the Anglo-Saxons/England:
The Kingdom of Pictland:
The Eireish Gaels:

Iberia:
The Kingdom of Iberian Francia:
The Theocracy of Galicia:
The Kingdom/Emirate of the Visigoths:
The Emirate of Gades:

North Africa:
The Kingdom/Empire of Carthage:
The Empire of Aegypt:

Anatolia, Greece & the Caucasus:
The Nicaean Empire:
The Grand Duchy of Thessalonika:
The Khanate of Bolgaria:

Arabia:
The Imperial Emirate of Arabia:
The Emirate of Yemeni:

The Baltic:
The Kingdom of Danemark:
The High-Kingdom/Tsardom of Skandia:
The Tsardom of Littorn:

Eastern Europe:
The Kingdom of Magyary:
The Danubian Empire:

West Asia:
The Imperial Khanate of the Gorturki:
The Empire of Persia:

East Africa:
The Kingdom of Nubia:
The Empire of Aethiop:
The Somali Emirates:



I am always happy to accept criticism (NO TROLLING) as well as any suggestions and or requests for consideration (except maps at this time until I figure out how to make them work because my computer hates me).