Yeni Tarih

[TurkishCapybara]

Yeni Tarih: Part One
This is named in Turkish but is not about Turkey.
7000 BCE:
-Domestication of Wild Boars in China.
-Domestication of Rice.

6000 BCE:
-Chinese Heiroglyphs are first used.
-Domestication of Dogs.
-A species of Chicken is first brought to China.

5000 BCE:
-Domestication of Sheep.
-First known use of Oxen.

4000 BCE:
-Transition from Hieroglyphs to a Primitive Alphabet.

3300 BCE:
-The People of "Mongolia" first use Horse-Back Riding.

2000 BCE:
-The First Era of Kingdoms starts.
-Around this time, The Kingdoms of Gysen, Hysein, and Lyrian are established around OTL Shandong Province.

1975 BCE:
-The Kingdom of Hysein is annexed by the Kingdom of Lyrian.
-The Kingdom of Kyprian is established near OTL Hangzhou.

1950 BCE:
-The Ulian Kingdom is established in South Korea.

1925 BCE:
-The Kingdom of Gysen successfully wins a war against the Manchurian Tribes in Liaoning, and then the Kingdom of Lyrian, taking over much of the territory that was part of the Kingdom of Hysein.

1900 BCE:
-With the Kingdom of Gysen involved against the Northern Tribes, the Kingdom of Lyrian invades the Kingdom of Kyprian and wins. The southern parts of the Kingdom of Kyprian are taken over by the newly founded Kingdom of Lysen, based around Fuzhou. The Kingdom of Kyrpian is left as a Rump State.

[tonsofun]

So this is a Chinese based timeline then?
:)

[TurkishCapybara]

So this is a Chinese based timeline then?
:)

S.E.I.O.U.

Sinae Est Imperare Orbi Universo.

[Malta Shah]

Hmmm, go on....

[TurkishCapybara]

1832 BCE:

-Records show that Sobin "The Great" rises to the throne of Gysen on this date.

1820: BCE:

-Sobin The Great defeats and subjugates the nearby Mongols, Manchus, and the Koreans (including the Ulian Kingdom).

1814 BCE:

-The Kingdom of Lyrian is defeated and is turned into a tributary state by Sobin the Great.

1808 BCE:

-Sobin the Great defeats both the Kingdom of Lysen and the Kingdom of Kyrpian. The Kingdom of Lysen Remains Independant.

1800 BCE:

-The Kingdom of Salien is established near Macau.

1799 BCE:

-Sobin the Great catches an illness and dies, but before dying divides the Gysen Empire into four Provinces, each ruled by one of his Generals. One Rules the old lands of the Gysen Kingdom, the second one rules over the Coastal Lands of Lyrian, the third rules over Krypian and Northern Lysen, and the final one rules over inland Lyrian.

-The First Era of Kingdoms Ends.

[TurkishCapybara]

The Age of the Empire.

19th-18th Centuries BCE:
-The Gysen ideas spread across China.

1745 BCE:
-The Ruler of The Lyrian Province launches a coup of the Kingdom of Lyrian, recreating the Kingdom of Lyrian.

1740 BCE:
-The Kingdom of Lyrian launches an invasion of the Coastal Lyrian Provinces, taking it over from the Gysen Empire.

1732 BCE:
-The Manchu Qarate is Established, which takes over the Liaoning region from The Gysen Empire.

1722 BCE:
-The last Province loyal to Gysen, Krypian, declares independence.

1710 BCE:
-The Ulian Kingdom is able to take over the entire Korean Peninsula.

1702 BCE:
-The Kingdom of Lysen conquers most of The Kingdom of Krypian yet again.

1680 BCE:
-The Kingdom of Lysen conquers the OTL Chinese province of Jiangxi.

[Elfwine]

-The First Era of Kingdoms Ends.

Does it make me a terrible person that I read this as "The First Era of Ponies* Ends"?

Less amusingly, could you elaborate on what these places are and how this is at all different than OTL?

*: Anyone who starts getting into making jokes about anything other than my eyesight or reading comprehension will be treated appropriately.

[TurkishCapybara]

Less amusingly, could you elaborate on what these places are and how this is at all different than OTL?


A. OTL there was only one State in China at this time.

B. That state was in Northern China.

C. That state used Chinese Characters.

D. Times of Domestication have been Tweaked.

E. Korea never had a polity at this time.

F. There was not a Khanate at this Time.

G. The Mongols are a bit stronger earlier.

[Elfwine]

A. OTL there was only one State in China at this time.

B. That state was in Northern China.

C. That state used Chinese Characters.

D. Times of Domestication have been Tweaked.

E. Korea never had a polity at this time.

F. There was not a Khanate at this Time.

G. The Mongols are a bit stronger earlier.

Interesting. Thank you.

[Hendryk]

A. OTL there was only one State in China at this time.

B. That state was in Northern China.

C. That state used Chinese Characters.
The difficulty of writing a TL that begins this far back in the past is finding a suitable POD, since we have only a general idea of the course of events. Jared masterfully overcame this in "Lands of Red and Gold" by having the POD be unrelated to human activity, namely the chance mutation of an Australian plant. In the case of this TL, how do you justify Chinese proto-history taking a different course? This might need some more detailing.

In particular, what prompts the adoption of a different writing system? In OTL, Chinese characters were evolved from the pictograms drawn on bones and turtle shells by royal seers. What happens in TTL to preempt this development?

Note that in 7000 BCE the Peiligang culture was already around, complete with the cultivation of millet and the raising of pigs.
The Mongols are a bit stronger earlier.
The Mongols didn't exist as a people until about the 3rd century CE, and at the time they lived in the Amur valley. In the second millennium BCE the Mongolian steppes were inhabited by the Karasuk culture.

[TurkishCapybara]

The difficulty of writing a TL that begins this far back in the past is finding a suitable POD, since we have only a general idea of the course of events. Jared masterfully overcame this in "Lands of Red and Gold" by having the POD be unrelated to human activity, namely the chance mutation of an Australian plant. In the case of this TL, how do you justify Chinese proto-history taking a different course? This might need some more detailing.


I was contemplating what I should do as the P.O.D. my Idea was a westwards or southwards movement of Afanasevo people, Karasuk, Mongols, etc. which I forgot to put in.




In particular, what prompts the adoption of a different writing system? In OTL, Chinese characters were evolved from the pictograms drawn on bones and turtle shells by royal seers. What happens in TTL to preempt this development?


Roll of the Dice with the P.O.D. . Every single Nation other than China`s neighbors replaced Logograms/Pictograms with other systems of writing. Yuan China, Tibet, Mongolia and Korea did. The Ancient Egyptians did this a little bit also, with the Hieratic Script.



Note that in 7000 BCE the Peiligang culture was already around, complete with the cultivation of millet and the raising of pigs.

The Events before 2000 BCE are marked by the Millennium after them. 7999-7000 is in 7000 BCE, 6999-6000 in 6000 BCE.



The Mongols didn't exist as a people until about the 3rd century CE, and at the time they lived in the Amur valley. In the second millennium BCE the Mongolian steppes were inhabited by the Karasuk culture.

Thank you for informing me.

[TurkishCapybara]

The Second Age of Kingdoms

1660 BCE:
-The Kingdom of Lysen subjugates the Taiwanese.

1643 BCE:
-Geysen`s internal administration falls apart, and the Manchurian Qarate steps in and demands vassalage from the King of Geysen.

1620`s BCE:
-A full Civil War breaks loose in the Kingdom of Lyrian, between the Old King`s Successor and the General `s Supporters. The Old King wins, but the civil war damages control of Lyrian`s western frontier.

1600 BCE:
-The Kingdom of Ugriou is established in Western Japan.

1597 BCE:
-The Kingdom of Salian conquers Hanoi and northern Vietnam.

[TurkishCapybara]

1550`s BCE:

-The Manchu Qarate falls apart from within, with there recession from Geysen, Kesyik (between Beijing and Liaoning) and Yusen (in Shanxi, Shaanxi, and Inner Mongolia) are founded from the rubble.

1543 BCE:

-Salian loses control of Hanoi, being replaced by the new Kingdom of Khufin.

-The Kingdom of Ugriou breaks into many city states.

1533 BCE:

-Lysen declares war on the still brittle state of Lyrian.

1529 BCE:

-Lysen defeats Lyrian, and annexes all of Lyrian`s land south of the Yangtze River.

1514 BCE:

-The Ulian Kingdom establishes control of OTL Hiroshima and Nagasaki, starting the Korean Conquest of Japan.

1501 BCE:

-The Kingdom of Chen`en is established in the Sichuan Basin.

[TurkishCapybara]

1493 BCE:
-The Ulian Kingdom conquers the rest of Kyushu.

1480`s BCE:
-The Collapse of The Kingdom of Lysen.
-The Kingdom of Krypian is re-established, and takes over northern Lysen.
-The Kingdom of Issen is established North of Hong-Kong.

1462 BCE:

-A series of Defeats destroys the power of the Kingdom of Salian, which is taken advantage of by Issen and Khufin.

1450`s BCE:

-The Kingdom of Yusen adopts a decentralized, provincial system of government.

1443 BCE:

-The Kingdom of Ulian establishes control over western Shikoku.

[TurkishCapybara]

1425 BCE:

-The Kingdom of Yusen subjugates the western people of Gansu and Qinghai.

1399 BCE:

-The Kingdom of Yusen invades the Kingdom of Kesyik, leading to full annexation of the region.

1392 BCE:

-The Kingdom of Geysen falls to the Kingdom of Yusen.

1390 BCE:

-The Ulian Kingdom continues its advance, and takes over OTL Osaka.

1388 BCE:

-The Kingdom of Yusen launches an assault on Lyrian, annexing the Northern border Regions.

1384 BCE:

-Krypian takes advantage of Lyrian and also takes a slice of the pie.

[TurkishCapybara]

1376 BCE: The Hekik Qarate is Established.

1360`s BCE: The Hekik Qarate pillages the northern regions of The Kingdom of Yusen.

1358 BCE: The Yusen Empire breaks into civil war, allowing the Hekik Qarate to take over Kesyik.

1354 BCE: The Kingdom of Lyrian re-establishes its power with a series of victories over the Yusen Empire.

1348 BCE: The Kingdom of Krypian loses its gains against Lyrian.

1342 BCE: The New Kingdom of Geysen is established.

1338 BCE: The Kingdom of Khusen is established in Gansu and Qinghai.

1321 BCE: The Kingdom of Khusen breaks apart into Fiefdoms.

1316 BCE: The Kingdom of Issen loses against the Kingdom of Lysen, which takes over Hong-Kong.

1304 BCE: The Kingdom of Salian is forced into a duchy of the Kingdom of Khufin.

1300 BCE: By this Point in time, the Dalian Kingdom has conquered Tokyo.

[TurkishCapybara]

1300 BCE:
-First known use of Iron tools in Issen.

1286 BCE:

-The Salian War. The Kingdom of Issen, invades the kingdom of Khufin, and wins, conquering all of Salian except for Hainan Island.

1280 BCE:

-Pesan is established in the fiefdoms of Khusen.

1276 BCE:
-The Kingdom of Issen invades the kingdom of Lysen, taking over much of the countries rural lands, where many flee for the Philippines, a colony of Lysen.

1270 BCE:

-Fukushima is conquered by the Dalian Kingdom.

1266 BCE:

-The Kingdom of Lysen is invaded by the Kingdom of Issen again, and all of its continental territory is annexed.

1260 BCE:

-The Kingdom of Issen invades the Kingdom of Krypian, and quickly annexes it.

[tonsofun]

Interesting so far.
Any chance of a map so we can see how everything looks?

[TurkishCapybara]

Interesting so far.
Any chance of a map so we can see how everything looks?


This is it:..

[tonsofun]

Very nice and it is only 1260 BC.:D

[TurkishCapybara]

1253 BCE: The Oldest known Treaty, the Treay of Henik, is signed. The Qara of the Hekik Qarate dies, and the Qarate is divided into the Eastern (Inner Manchuria and Outer Manchuria North of the Amur River), the Western (Outer Manchuria south of the Amur River), and the Southern (Kesiyk) Hekik Qarates.

1248 BCE: Henel, a Krypian general of Issen, leads a rebellion against the Issen Empire, declaring a New Krypian Kingdom.

1243 BCE: The Kingdom of Khufin declares war on the brittle Issen Empire.

1242 BCE: The Battle of Salian. The Issen Army is decimated and the Issen Emperor is killed in it.

1240 BCE: The Kingdom of Khufin and the Issen Empire end the war, with the Kingdom of Khufin re-establishing control over Salian.

1238 BCE: With the Issen Army destroyed, the Luesin Republic is established in the old lands of Lysen, because neither the Issen Empire of the Kingdom of Lysen can re-establish themselves there.

1236 BCE: The Western Hekik Qarate defeats the Eastern Hekik Qarate.

1222 BCE: The Kingdom of Buken is established in OTL Chongqing Province.

1214 BCE: The Kingdom of Lyrian establishes control across the Yangtze river and into Issen Territory.

1196 BCE: The Kingdom of Kuchin is established in southern Vietnam.

1184 BCE: The Southern Hekik Qarate is annexed by the Kingdom of Geysen.

1180 BCE: The Kingdom of Lysen fully contols the Island of Luzon and the surrounding islands by this time.

[TurkishCapybara]

1170 BCE: The Hekik Qarate is dissolved and break up into warring states.

1160`s BCE: The Great King Horusen of Khufin invades the lands of southern Yunnan and Laos. Horusen divides Laos into Vassal states.

1150`s BCE: The Beginning of the Era of Cities in Burma.

1134 BCE: The Chusoken Kingdom is Established in Thailand.

1112 BCE: The Henik Expedition. The Ruler of Geysen leads his forces into demanding tribute from the squabling people, and placing one of his sons as ruler of the "New Hekik Qarate".

1104 BCE: The Kingdom of Pesan defeats the Kingdom of Yusen.

[TurkishCapybara]

1098 BCE: The Kingdom of Issen goes to war with the Luesin Republic. The Kingdom of Issen wins a quick, but small victory, but it leads to turmoil in the Luesin Republic, with the Death of the Prime Minister.

1095 BCE: Using its Chance, the Kingdom of Lysen invades the Luesin Republic, directly at the Capital. Lysen is triumphant against them, and the King commands the burning of every single monument built in Luesin Rule.

1078 BCE: The King of Khufin establishes multiple vassal states in the unruly regions of Southern China, and the reestablishment of the duchy of Salian.

1066 BCE: The King of Khufin dies without no Heir. Instead of the complete collapse that usually occurs because of this, the principalities that were part of Khufin establish a form of Republic that would be used for many centuries onward to pick the ruler of the Kingdom of Khufin, should an heir not be present for the one that is already ruling.

1065: Heinon of Salian becomes ruler of Khufin.

1054: The Kingdom of Kuchin is dissolved by a pillaging army sent by the King of Chusoken.

1050 BCE: The Visayas Archipelago is offically part of the Kingdom of Lysen.

1043 BCE: The Kingdom of Kuseken is established in OTL Yunnan.

1037 BCE: The Kingdom of Pesan conquers the Kingdom of Chen`en.

[TurkishCapybara]

1030`s BCE: Horatu, a ruler of a fiefdom in Manchuria, snowballs the Hekik peoples together through diplomacy and war.

1027-26 BCE: Horatu conquers the New Hekik Qarate.

1023 BCE: Horatu sacks Geysen.

1021 BCE: The Kingdom of Yusen is conquered by the Great Horde.

1019 BCE: The Kingdom of Pesan is dissolved by Horatu.

1017 BCE: The Battles of the Middle River. The Kingdom of Lyrian wins a Pyrrhic Victory against Horatu`s Horde at the Yangtze River.

1014 BCE: The Ulian Kingdom wins against the Great Horde near OTL Seoul, saving the Ulian Capital.

1012 BCE: The Remnates of the kingdom of Lyrian are conquered by the Great Horde.

1011 BCE: The Kingdom of Krypian is dissolved.

1007 BCE: After Thirty Years of Terror, Horatu dies. His Children feud over ruler.

1004 BCE: After his defeat of the Horde, the King of Ulian conquers the Liaoning Pennisula.

1002 BCE: The Hephenan Kingdom is established in Burma.

1000 BCE: The King of Lyrian re-establishes his control of Lyrian and Krypian.

997 BCE: The Kingdom of Geysen is re established under a new dynasty.

993 BCE: A Rebellion in Chen`en is quelled by Ulan, who is the accepted ruler of the Great Horde.

991 BCE: The Kingdom of Pesan is re established, it also owns Yusen.

986 BCE: The Northern Portions of the Great Horde fall back to random fiefdoms and tribes.

980 BCE: Chusoken is an established power, ruling most of OTL Thailand by this point.

[HereticAscendant]

Interesting... I wonder how this will effect other part of the world?(but than, it's too early to make speculation)