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wietze
November 14th, 2011, 11:58 AM
I'd be a bit more disturbed by a Patriarch Bronstein or Archbishop Schicklgruber, but this'll do. :D
Maybe that is what's coming :D
but with his dad moving to the us, adolf is very likely butterflied away, maybe someone with the same name will exist but will a whole different person.
But maybe this time the patriarch will not get a very acute case of icepick poisoning ;)
edit: maybe alois schicklgruber will have a daughter instead, who will become the forerunner of the american suffragettes , eve 'ballbuster' schicklgruber but who uses her mothers last name and calls herself eve trotski ;)
Napoleon53
November 14th, 2011, 02:21 PM
You mean this Bronstein? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Bronstein
:D
Shicklgruber's daughter, eh? Hmmm... I may use that. :)
wietze
November 14th, 2011, 02:23 PM
lol that must have been Lev Bronsteins cousin lol
Turquoise Blue
November 14th, 2011, 03:05 PM
Yes! Finally one Monarch gets his just desserts! Have America undergo a revolution.
Napoleon53
November 14th, 2011, 05:43 PM
lol that must have been Lev Bronsteins cousin lol
They had a falling out because Lev preferred checkers. :p
Yes! Finally one Monarch gets his just desserts! Have America undergo a revolution.
Nope, not yet. ;) I think you'll like the van Rosenvelts better; they won't be so brutal.
glenn67
November 14th, 2011, 05:57 PM
May King Cornelius have a very Bully reign
Napoleon53
November 14th, 2011, 07:01 PM
May King Cornelius have a very Bully reign
My thoughts exactly. :D
CHAPTER XXXII
L'Imperatore
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Benito I, Holy Roman Emperor
When Stephen X died in 1920, he had just had Benito Mussolini "elected" as Holy Roman Emperor. Mussolini was a fascist and a devout Catholic. Stephen made sure his apprentice had a huge amount of power and that future popes would take his "suggestions." Mussolini was a dictator far more than an emperor, and his political ideas made Charlemagne look like a 98-pound weakling. However, Benito would soon learn that there was more to ruling than just thinking about conquering. He would actually have to do it.
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Pope Pius X
After Stephen's death, Pius X was chosen as pope. He was an Italian and a fascist. His real name was Giacomo Paolo Giovanni Battista della Chiesa. He had entered the priesthood as a young boy and had risen through the ranks quickly. He had also read and enjoyed the works of Demetriou. He was close friends with Mussolini and was determined to work hand-in-glove with him. The first plans they drew up were for the invasion of the Ottoman Empire and the recapture of Constantinople and the Holy Land. By 1922, they were equipping thousands and thousands of men and convincing the Balkan nations to join them in their quest. France was asked, and they rejected it utterly, saying they had no interest whatsoever in a new "Crusade," and considered it a barbaric attack on a respected country. The Austro-Hungarian Republic was consulted, and the devout Catholics in that country agreed, and especially backed seizing Constantinople to bring honor to their Byzantine forefathers. Greece had had a long-standing complete hatred of the Turks and said they would consider it an honor to assist the pope in exterminating as many as possible. While officially it was not a Crusade, it was to most people.
The Turks were very distraught when they learned what was being plotted against them and requested assistance from France and Germany. France and Germany agreed to sell them armaments, but refused to back them openly, fearing war with the fascists. The northern Italian countries such as Venice refused to have any dealings with the pope or the emperor.
This was precisely what Mussolini and Pius had hoped for. Secretly, if France and Germany had allied with the Turks, Mussolini would have backed off. Now, he had a free hand.
On November 1st 1923, the Holy Roman Imperial army crossed the Turkish border and began a campaign of total destruction. Within a week, Greeks, Romanians, Bulgarians, Austrians, Hungarians and more were flooding across the border with one thought in mind: Constantinople. The severely outdated and eccentric Turkish army put up a good fight, but soon found themselves on the retreat.
Iron horses, giant, tracked, armored war machines with a central cannon, had never been used in warfare at this time. Mussolini decided to try them. Almost every Imperial iron horse was brought into the Ottoman Empire. The Turks were massacred. This tactic became known as "Tattiche Imperiale" (Imperial Tactics), and revolutionized tactics. As the poor, beaten Turks built up defenses in Istanbul, Benito's tanks were coming to explode them. On December 25th, in the Christmas Siege, "the Armies of Christendom defeated the infidel Turks and took back Constantinople." Next would come Anatolia and then the Holy Land. Benito personally rode to the city to accept the surrender. Things were looking up for Benny.
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Benito I waves the Sword of the Caliph in triumph
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Victorious Greek and Bulgarian officers rejoice in their success
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Mussolini tells the news to the crowd on Christmas Day
Rooster Cogburn
November 14th, 2011, 08:08 PM
Italians and Mussolini kicking some ass, love it. I ask that they please receive all of the Mediterranean Sea as well :D
I shall forever mourn the loss of the Jacksonian dynasty, they deserved much more than we mortal men could give them. :(
And I think it is shameful that our great American monarch has fallen dead at the hands of a dark assassin, and people cheer at his passing! :( Have you people no patriotism, honor, or sense of badassery!?!?!?! :eek::mad::mad:
Darth_Kiryan
November 14th, 2011, 09:47 PM
Italians and Mussolini kicking some ass, love it.
Italians and Mussolini actually winning!:D Thats different.
Tsao
November 14th, 2011, 11:44 PM
And I think it is shameful that our great American monarch has fallen dead at the hands of a dark assassin, and people cheer at his passing! :( Have you people no patriotism, honor, or sense of badassery!?!?!?! :eek::mad::mad:
All Hail King Cornelius! May he live for a thousand years more! :D
Darth_Kiryan
November 15th, 2011, 12:01 AM
And I think it is shameful that our great American monarch has fallen dead at the hands of a dark assassin, and people cheer at his passing! :( Have you people no patriotism, honor, or sense of badassery!?!?!?! :eek::mad::mad:
The King is Dead. Long Live the King.
Still, i agree. People cheer at his passing. That is not acceptable. And it didn't sound to me as if they were supporters of Andrew, but that they just decided to cheer that a monarch had died. :mad::mad::mad:BAD FORM!!
Rooster Cogburn
November 15th, 2011, 12:18 AM
All Hail King Cornelius! May he live for a thousand years more! :D
Clearly no sense of true badassery :rolleyes::mad:
Tsao
November 15th, 2011, 01:12 AM
Noooooooo!!!!!!
YOU KILLED THE OTTOMAN EMPIRE!!!! :mad::(:mad::(
Napoleon53
November 15th, 2011, 01:16 AM
Noooooooo!!!!!!
YOU KILLED THE OTTOMAN EMPIRE!!!! :mad::(:mad::(
YES. :p
Writing new chapter...
Tsao
November 15th, 2011, 01:18 AM
YES. :p
Writing new chapter...
Will we at least get a Turkish Republic, or will Benny fuck that up too?
Napoleon53
November 15th, 2011, 01:32 AM
Yeah, they'll probably be a Turkish Republic. :)
I don't really like strong cussing, so please keep it a little milder, guys. No offense, but my family might read this. ;)
ALSO: Bosporus Republic. :D
Tsao
November 15th, 2011, 01:34 AM
Yeah, they'll probably be a Turkish Republic. :)
I don't really like strong cussing, so please keep it a little milder, guys. No offense, but my family might read this. ;)
So will the rest of the Empire become independent or be carved up by the Fascists? If you make a Rashidi Kingdom in Mesopotamia, I may forgive you for this heinous crime you have committed. :p
Also, who's cussing?
Napoleon53
November 15th, 2011, 01:37 AM
So will the rest of the Empire become independent or be carved up by the Fascists? If you make a Rashidi Kingdom in Mesopotamia, I may forgive you for this heinous crime you have committed. :p
Also, who's cussing?
Carved up into colonies, quite a bit like what Britain and France after WWI.
Well, your last post and Rooster used "that word" before. Free speech, but just try to make it a little milder. :)
Tsao
November 15th, 2011, 01:48 AM
Carved up into colonies, quite a bit like what Britain and France after WWI.
Won't there be all sorts of nasty rebellions and revolts then? Especially in Egypt.......
But who get's what part of the pie?
Napoleon53
November 15th, 2011, 01:52 AM
Won't there be all sorts of nasty rebellions and revolts then? Especially in Egypt.......
But who get's what part of the pie?
Ah, that has yet to be revealed. Jugoslavija will get sizable chunks and ports, from which they will ship goods to the homeland.
Plus, Republic of Jerusalem anyone? Balkanization FTW. :D
Tsao
November 15th, 2011, 01:55 AM
Plus, Republic of Jerusalem anyone? Balkanization FTW. :D
Republic of Jerusalem, but no Arab Kingdom? You make me weep.....:p
I expect that Italy'll get the biggest prize, though- Egypt.
Napoleon53
November 15th, 2011, 01:57 AM
Republic of Jerusalem, but no Arab Kingdom? You make me weep.....:p
I expect that Italy'll get the biggest prize, though- Egypt.
Egypt's French. They might make a move later though if a war breaks out. The biggest prize for the Holy Roman Empire will be Bosporus and Jerusalem as satellites, Turkey as a protectorate, all the trade and money, and Lebanon.
Tsao
November 15th, 2011, 01:58 AM
Egypt's French. They might make a move later though if a war breaks out. The biggest prize for the Holy Roman Empire will be Bosporus and Jerusalem as satellites, Turkey as a protectorate, all the trade and money, and Lebanon.
Ah yes, forgot about that.......
Still, what happened to Arabia? Are the various factions still battling, or has Ibn Saud won out as per OTL?
Napoleon53
November 15th, 2011, 02:11 AM
Ah yes, forgot about that.......
Still, what happened to Arabia? Are the various factions still battling, or has Ibn Saud won out as per OTL?
Saud will probably win, as I see no need to change that. Hejaz will be a separate country, though. :)
Tsao
November 15th, 2011, 02:14 AM
Saud will probably win, as I see no need to change that. Hejaz will be a separate country, though. :)
What about Iraq? Kuwait is still a British protectorate, IIRC, but I'm not sure about the rest of the area. Oman's independent, but what about Aden?
Napoleon53
November 15th, 2011, 02:18 AM
What about Iraq? Kuwait is still a British protectorate, IIRC, but I'm not sure about the rest of the area. Oman's independent, but what about Aden?
Map forthcoming. :D
IIRC?
Tsao
November 15th, 2011, 02:19 AM
Map forthcoming. :D
IIRC?
IIRC= If I recall correctly. I think.
Napoleon53
November 16th, 2011, 03:52 AM
CHAPTER XXXIII
The Fall of the Ottomans
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The last Ottoman force prepares to surrender to Benito's army - July 29th, 1924
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Holy Roman soldiers begin their hike in Anatolia
Benito I had a habit of having triumphs on important days. So, on his 41st birthday, he brought the Ottoman Empire to its ancient knees. His first thrust occurred immediately after the setting up of the Bosporus Republic. His iron horse corps moved across the Bosporus Strait in early 1924 and cleared a path for the Holy Roman infantry. When those infantrymen came in and established Holy Roman rule, the Turks were almost powerless to stop them. Women's burqas were banned. Men's fezzes were outlawed. Mosques were demolished by special squads who spared only a few for historical purposes. Uprisings and resistance movements were crushed. The Catholics plowed on through more and more territory until they reached Batman, at the end of the Anatolian Peninsula. The Turks had lost their homeland. After carving Anatolia up with its allies, Italy set up the leader of the outlawed Turkish Liberation Front, Mustafa Kemal, as president of the Turkish Republic.
In June, the last battles involving the Ottoman land forces occurred in June of that same year. Several Ottoman generals simply refused to give up. With a huge number of rowdy, untrained, poorly-equipped yet radical and suicidal troops, they waged a bloody guerrilla war. Though victory was proclaimed on July 29th, after the surrender of the last actual Ottoman army, the guerrilla conflicts in the Middle East by organizations such as the Ottoman Freedom Front (OFF), the Muslim Botherhood, and the Palestinian Freedom Front (PFF).
After the defeat of the Ottomans, Benito and his allies broke up Anatolia and the Holy Land to suit their needs.
The Republic of Jerusalem was set up and provided with all necessary men, weapons, and supplies. Several old Crusader organizations were reestablished, such as the Knights of the Temple. Other new groups made their mark, such as the Knights of Golgotha. The Knights of the Holy Sepulchre, which had never been disbanded but had become a part of the Papacy, exerted influence once again. The Knights of Golgotha took their name from the location where Jesus was crucified, despite the fact that they had absolutely no idea where the hill actually was in Jerusalem. The first uniforms for the Jerusalem Defense Force were tan Papal uniforms with armbands sown onto them and old Turkish pith helmets. As the years would go by, thanks to all the counter-terrorism and anti-rebellion operations, they would become an elite fighting force.
During the war and before it, the Saud family of Arabia, particularly Ibn Saud, the leader, had been seeking to dominate the Arabian Peninsula. With the world's new demand for oil, it got even more intense. During the war, Ibn Saud took power and sided with Benito against his former Ottoman masters in exchange for Benito's help in crushing uprisings against the citizens of the Yemen and Oman regions. The Republic of Jerusalem established a zone of influence on the western coast of Jordan also sided with the invaders because it new what would happen if it did not. Iraq, yet another new Middle Eastern state, became a forced ally of the Holy Roman Empire. The relationship would not end well.
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King Saud
So, to wrap up this history of the Last Ottoman War, here are the most important events:
#1: Establishment of the Bosporus Republic as a Holy Roman protectorate.
#2: Carving up of Turkey.
#3: First widespread use of iron horses in history.
#4: Tito's Jugoslavijan army proving its salt.
#5: Establishment of the Republic of Jerusalem
#6: Victory of Ibn Saud in Arabia
#7: Establishment of the unsteady alliance between Iraq and the Holy Roman Empire.
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The World in 1924
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Flag of the Republic of Jerusalem
Tsao
November 16th, 2011, 04:02 AM
Great chapter! Though my dream of Rashidi Arabia has died a gruesome death, I am comforted by the fact that Hejaz and Mesopotamia remain independent.
Though, I must ask, how do you use butterflies? I notice you've kept certain people (Sun Yat-sen, Ataturk, Djagashvili, etc.) while doing away with others. Are these historical characters personalities and goals greatly altered from OTL? With a POD in the late 1700s shouldn't there be less and less OTL figures as time progresses?
On the map: Yikes! What happened in China? Did I miss the part where France lost all of her possessions in China? Is it still the Nationalist government? Also, I doubt China would be able to unify so quickly, the agitators sanctioned by Sun probably aren't gonna stay loyal after he's gone. In fact, considering the majority of China was colonized, and the Qing government still collapsed, this TL's Warlord Era would probably be even bloodier and last longer than OTL, unless drastic changes take place. You didn't mention when or how China was unified, so I'd like to see more detail in that area.
Nice work on the ME, though! :)
Napoleon53
November 16th, 2011, 04:06 AM
Danke!
I try to use butterflies only when it makes it more interesting or it's necessary. Their personalities might be slightly different, but others are the same in both TTL and OTL, like Stalin. Don't worry; you'll get to see the characters' personalities up close when I do the short stories. :D
China's coming up next, and also set in 1924, but I felt it necessary to post the map so people could understand the ME. :) It'll only be temporary, and then France will go on the offensive again.
EDIT:
Italian "Iron Horse:"
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Tsao
November 16th, 2011, 04:25 AM
China's coming up next, and also set in 1924, but I felt it necessary to post the map so people could understand the ME. :) It'll only be temporary, and then France will go on the offensive again.
How can France go on the offensive if she's been totally forced out of China, as your map shows? Though she may be able to take a few coastal cities as a result of the impending chaos, but these would be temporary gains and she'll never penetrate as deep into Chinese territory as France has again.
Pretty picture!
bolhabela
November 16th, 2011, 12:50 PM
Nice map but what the hell happened to Hungary? Whai would they give up Transilvania, Felvidek, Ujvidek and Karpatalja? And if the Habsburgs had internal revolt in witch they lost the majoriti of their territory then how did they maintain the chinese colonies?
P.s Is New Zealand an Irish colony now?
Rooster Cogburn
November 16th, 2011, 07:58 PM
You know, when you were talking about Italy unifying and having a great army and marching through Turkey, completely obliterating the Ottoman Empire, I thought it would be.............bigger. Why didn't the Italians annex more of the land? And I'm loving the Kingdom of Jerusalem! :D
Napoleon53
November 16th, 2011, 09:13 PM
How can France go on the offensive if she's been totally forced out of China, as your map shows? Though she may be able to take a few coastal cities as a result of the impending chaos, but these would be temporary gains and she'll never penetrate as deep into Chinese territory as France has again.
Pretty picture!
Well, it's more like China has an offensive, but they're pushed back in '25.
Nice map but what the hell happened to Hungary? Whai would they give up Transilvania, Felvidek, Ujvidek and Karpatalja? And if the Habsburgs had internal revolt in witch they lost the majoriti of their territory then how did they maintain the chinese colonies?
P.s Is New Zealand an Irish colony now?
Well, the citizens of those regions revolted. Austria-Hungary then did, too. The fascists are civil with each other. ;) EDIT: Oh, and they were careful during the government transition not to lose control of the colonies.
You know, when you were talking about Italy unifying and having a great army and marching through Turkey, completely obliterating the Ottoman Empire, I thought it would be.............bigger. Why didn't the Italians annex more of the land? And I'm loving the Kingdom of Jerusalem! :D
Good question! If they had outright annexed Anatolia, not only would they have had to put down revolts, it would scare the monarchist nations into declaring war. Victory through moderation.
Picture in the future elite Jerusalem Republican fighting forces and black ops. :cool: They'd be a lot like OTL Blackwater Security, considering themselves new Crusaders.
Tsao
November 16th, 2011, 11:16 PM
Well, it's more like China has an offensive, but they're pushed back in '25.
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The Chinese? But how? Your map shows no French territory in China, and they'll have a hell of a time trying to make any gains, now that China's been unified.
Napoleon53
November 16th, 2011, 11:18 PM
The Chinese? But how? Your map shows no French territory in China, and they'll have a hell of a time trying to make any gains, now that China's been unified.
Well, you have a point. I should have striped the French area to show its more contested than it looks. I'll see what I can do.
Napoleon53
November 17th, 2011, 10:15 PM
Hey, guys! I finally got a new computer mike! If it works, I should be able to make that documentary now. :D
Rooster Cogburn
November 24th, 2011, 03:50 PM
Happy Thanksgiving everyone!!! :D
Napoleon53
November 25th, 2011, 06:22 PM
Happy Thanksgiving everyone!!! :D
Hope you had a great Turkey Day, ya'll! :D
Now, I've been busy lately, but I'm back. New stuff tomorrow. I'll probably deal with China in the next chapter. Of course, we also need more about Russia's new government. Stalin's comin' up. :)
Rooster Cogburn
November 27th, 2011, 07:11 PM
I was just thinking. How is Washington, Ben Franklin, and other founders (excluding Adams, Hamilton, and Jefferson) portrayed in this timeline's history? Are they seen as heroes or villains?
Napoleon53
November 27th, 2011, 08:24 PM
Sorry guys. This next chapter is requiring more research than expected. Should be done in the next two or three hours. :)
I was just thinking. How is Washington, Ben Franklin, and other founders (excluding Adams, Hamilton, and Jefferson) portrayed in this timeline's history? Are they seen as heroes or villains?
Washington, Madison, Franklin, Hancock, etc, are heroes to some and at least respected by others. The public might be monarchist, but they hate Britain. They think the Founding Fathers may have been "misguided," but they were brave, honest men. Sort of like how Christians view Jews; very similar, very different, and many of the Christians respect the Jews for laying the foundations.
Napoleon53
November 28th, 2011, 01:03 AM
CHAPTER XXXIV
The Thunder before the Storm
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Chinese Nationalist troops assault Golmud in a last-ditch attempt to reopen the Mao Zedong Trail
As the Chinese situation escalated, the French decided to act, and act quickly. The entire Chinese mainland had declared itself independent, including the colonies. France would not stand for that. While the new government was still radically unstable, the French attacked brutally, landing hundreds of thousands of troops and soldiers from the other colonies.
The Nationalist Party now begged for help from the other fascist countries who had ignored them for years. The new response was the same: no deal. The reason was largely due to the other fascists being devout Western Christians, particularly Catholic. Russia was less Western, but that also led to them thinking of China as a regional rival. Not a few Russians fought for the Chinese monarchists.
As the French started to take back the mainland, they declared a sort of "open season" on Chinese territory. Japan was invited to lash out with as much power as possible. The Emperor was wonderfully delighted and thousands of Japanese soldiers poured in from Manchukuo and other Japanese northern regions. Several men made their names in this conflict, including Hideki Tojo, who was promoted to General due to his heroic actions in the conflict. Sino-Japanese conflicts continued unceasingly for years.
Finally, in 1925, Sun Yat-sen died. It was time for a new leader. His name was Mao Zedong. A brutal dictator, he espoused a new anti-West form of fascism and was radically leftist. He established brutal concentration camps for European and Japanese prisoners. Japanese officers were executed immediately upon capture. Mao was also an excellent tactician, and managed to somehow fund and equip his army through dealings with mercenary black market traders. The all-important route these goods traveled on became known as the Mao Zedong Trail, stretching from Yumen to Bangladesh. For a very brief amount of time in 1926, the French army captured the city in between, Golmud, and came close to starving Mao's forces. However, Mao launched a desperate final assault upon the city, losing 100,000 troops. Mao was satisfied though, as the Trail soon reopened and the severely depleted French forces retreated east to Lanzhou, across the Huang River. Unbeknown to Mao, a Japanese army under Tojo was advancing from Manchukuo at the head of an army of Italian-made iron horse cavalry. The war machines battered the Chinese Northern Line in the winter of '26. Thousands of Maoists, which they were now calling themselves to reject normal fascism and nationalism, lost their lives in the monstrously bloody assaults. Tojo was being called a military genius, but the incapable French commander, Henri Dubois, was considered incapable.
The Chinese War dragged on into the 1930's, when at last the "Old Lion" King Cornelius decided to assist his French friends in China. On March 12th, 1930, America declared war on China. The 72 year-old Cornelius used Indochina as a launching point for American forces. The first attack occurred when a small, elite force of British and American infantrymen, working together in a once-in-a-lifetime manner, stormed Maoist-supporting trade centers in Bangladesh, which had been rebelling against British rule. America then turned to the former British colony along the Xun River. Chinese terrorists had been waging a war based upon Napoleon's Corsican Tactics, and the jungles there were ideally suited to this style of fighting. The British had been overrun long before this, back in '28, and the Americans quickly turned it into their own colony. Cornelius put General, soon Field Marshal, John Joseph "Black Jack" Pershing in charge of it, where he developed a reputation for extreme brutality and bloodlust. Always enjoying fighting, Pershing appeared frequently on the front lines, sabre in hand, hewing down Maoist troops. His most famous quote was "It is a good thing war is so common, else we should forget the manliness and skills acquired from it it." He was awarded 25 medals, the most seen on an American soldier up to that point except Napoleon Bonaparte, who had 30. Among the medals "Black Jack" received were:
The Badge of Cornelius
The Order of the Warrior
The Distinguished Service Cross
12 Purple Hearts
The Red Badge of Valor
The Royal Crown Medallion
And many others.
This made him a highly popular figure, but his bloodiness was covered up by the army. After his fiery 1936 death on board the RSS William Henry Harrison, a balloon, in New York City during his round-the-world tour, the extents of "Black Jack's Terror" in Xun eventually became known, such as the slow disemboweling of numerous female prisoners and the torture of civilians, and he fell from public favor immediately.
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Grand Marshal J. J. "Black Jack" Pershing, with riding crop, inspects a base at a Chinese Aerofield in Xun; the forest had been cleared by American bulldozers a few months before, and it was soon named the Pershing Aerofield
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Black Jack boards a French dreadnought balloon in Paris to travel to New York City; French royal officers, in white coats and kepi hats, stand in the background - during the landing process of the blimp in New York, it spontaneously exploded, turning Black Jack into black ash
His death was highly, highly, suspicious. Several prominent government figures pointed fingers at Britain. Pershing had advised war with Britain on numerous occasions, and he had enough prestige to get it done. With him dead, Chamberlain now could relax, at least for the moment. With the explosion of the William Henry Harrison, balloons soon fell into disfavor and became a toy for the wealthy and surveillance and support vehicles, where they would hover high above targets, take notes, and then guide aeroplanes to their targets.
With Black Jack gone, America had to find a replacement. They found him in the form of Alois Shicklgruber's son Adolphus. Due to common misspelling of his surname, Adolphus changed it to the simple Huettler. Thus, Adolphus Huettler became known as himself, not as his father's son. Adolphus had served with George Patton during the capture of Andrew III, and had been steadily moving up the ranks with his comrade. Patton and Huettler became close friends. After Pershing's death, Huettler and Patton were dispatched to China to crush Mao once and for all. The two men scored enormous victories and brought European colonies in China back to their pre-Rebellion size. Brutal suppression of piracy and black market weapon dealers on the sea cut off supplies to Mao. It became all the Chinese leftist could do to hold off advances, and sometimes he failed at that. The unbelievable advances of Huettler and Patton were largely due to the refining and enlarging of iron horses. They became huge, armor-plated, turreted, fighting machines of destruction. The awe-striking terror of the blasts from the main rotating gun could demolish houses. Soon, the Japanese and French had them, too. The Chinese did not. Some entire Chinese armies, terrified of the machines, surrender wholesale to the invaders, building up a large block of cowed, "pro-Western" Chinese, calling themselves the "Chinese People's Republic," more commonly known as the Nanjing Republic, due to its capital city. The French and the Europeans wisely handed over "sovereignty" to this new country, while actually keeping all their forces there and sockpuppeting the leader, Chiang Kai-Shek. The other half of China, run by the Maoists, became known as the Xining Republic, also due to its capital city. Hence, there was no actual "China." After pounding them until 1938, the Maoists signed a peace treaty with Europe and the URAS, agreeing to leave Peking under international supervision. Japan refused to accept peace and kept up their assaults, though they became scaled-down.
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Chiang Kai-Shek, President of the Nanjing Republic
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Russian troops pose for the camera, 1937
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Japanese Troops gas a Maoist-held zone
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Maoist troops march to do battle with the Second Army of China, under Adolphus Huettler
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Two Hancock Class Iron Horses patrol a road near Nanjing, 1937
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Chinese militia camp being gassed by Japanese troops during a rebellion in southern Manchukuo; gas was a favorite tactic among Japanese forces
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Adolphus Huettler photographed after taking part in the expedition to capture Andrew III; he later shaved the mustache off and remained clean-shaven, some say to lower resemblance to his father Alois
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Adolphus Huettler upon taking control of the Second Army of China, age 47
Tsao
November 28th, 2011, 01:09 AM
Delightful. But how did Mao get to such a high position in Sun's government in the first place?
Napoleon53
November 28th, 2011, 01:12 AM
Delightful. But how did Mao get to such a high position in Sun's government in the first place?
Lying, corruption, blackmail, you know, the usual Mao stuff. Some things never change. :p Plus, lots of Chinese officers had died, leaving lots of gaps to rise to fill. That's how Napoleon took power OTL: hundreds of officers had been executed or killed, leaving him all by himself to hog the spotlight. And the Chinese feel disgruntled about Yat-sen's Westernized fascism and want to try something different. Mao's their man.
Tsao
November 28th, 2011, 01:15 AM
Lying, corruption, blackmail, you know, the usual Mao stuff. Some things never change. :p Plus, lots of Chinese officers had died, leaving lots of gaps to rise to fill. That's how Napoleon took power OTL: hundreds of officers had been executed or killed, leaving him all by himself to hog the spotlight.
But Mao was never a military officer or politician; he was the son of a middle-class grain merchant. In these conditions, you'd more likely to have an experienced officer or at least a close friend of Sun take the reigns. Or did the butterflies ensure that Mao was conscripted or such?
Great update, nice to see that Adi got added in. :p
Napoleon53
November 28th, 2011, 01:24 AM
Or did the butterflies ensure that Mao was conscripted or such?
Great update, nice to see that Adi got added in. :p
Yep, butterflies. China ITTL has to conscript everybody, and I do mean everybody, because they get zero international support. People like Mao, young and able-bodied, would be prime candidates for conscription.
Thanks a lot! I have a LOT planned for "Adolphus," so stay tuned!
Also, I want to thank all of you for supporting this timeline and helping me with details and maps. I really appreciate it. Here's to another 40-ish chapters and more! :D
Darth_Kiryan
November 28th, 2011, 01:27 AM
http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/attachment.php?attachmentid=160378&stc=1&d=1322445373
Adolphus Huettler upon taking control of the Second Army of China, age 47
:eek:That picture is actually freaking me out. :eek:
How hard did you have to search for that?
Napoleon53
November 28th, 2011, 01:32 AM
:eek:That picture is actually freaking me out. :eek:
How hard did you have to search for that?
Hahaha! :D A guy on Flickr has done like two dozen pictures of mustache-less Hitler.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/59415056@N05/
Exceptional work on most of them.
Here's another that has "creep factor:"
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Napoleon53
November 28th, 2011, 04:04 AM
Only two more posts until we reach 300! 14,000th view tomorrow! :D Thanks everyone!
CHAPTER XXXV
"Well, that was convenient for Frank, wasn't it?"
- Lord Secretary of the Army Clive Ashley, upon the death of Cornelius's family
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King Franklin I with Admiral Hugo Winthrop and French prince Antoine I
When King Cornelius's extremely civilized and productive reign came to an end, the crown was to go to his son, Cornelius II. However, unbeknown to the American public, forces were at play to get the crown to go to his extremely anti-fascist cousin Franklin van Rosenvelt. While Franklin never was publicly accused of responsibility in what was about to happen, many historians believe that he may have masterminded the downfall of the royal family.
On January 6th, 1938, Cornelius died of a heart attack in the palace in Philadelphia. He was 80 years old. Ten days later the coronation of his son was to occur. During the coronation, a "mentally unstable" guard opened fire with a Thompson machine gun. Cornelius and his siblings were struck dead before other guards killed the crazed soldier. Another assassination had occurred, this time in Coronation Hall itself. Franklin had been sitting in the front pew and watched the royals die their gruesome death. According to the laws of succession, he was now king. He cried and sobbed and mourned, and it seemed genuine, but he was known for being a good actor. Some did not trust him, but they had no choice. In an emergency ceremony, Franklin was crowned king of the URAS. An investigation was launched, but, conveniently, the head of the Royal Bureau of Investigation (RBI), Sir Joseph Edwin Hoover, was one of Franklin's closest associates and friends. The investigation promptly arrived at the conclusion that the guard was mentally unbalanced. New personnel inquired as to why he was then allowed to serve at the inauguration, but no answers were given, and Hoover could make life hell for them using his near limitless power, so they shut up and went along with it.
Before long, Franklin had indeed inspired patriotism with his inspirational speeches, but the current prime minister, Theodore Wright, was about as boring a prime minister as there ever was. The election of 1938 (elections for prime minister were one of the things Alexander I promised to the nation during the War for Succession) was hectic and busy. One candidate after another presented himself to the public, and each rose and fell in popularity.
Along came Adolphus Huettler. He got into the race because he said he felt no energy from the other candidates, and also despised how many of them were civilians. Through extraordinarily rousing speeches he became the undisputed front-runner. He faced off against Joseph Kennedy, a liberal politician much in line with Franklin's ideals, and Franklin indeed preferred him, but the public did not. Huettler beat Kennedy in a magnificent landslide.
Strongly anti-fascist, Huettler decided he would try to crack down on Britain and Russia's attempts to convert other countries. He declared an "Iron Curtain of Fascism" had been draped on Europe, leaving Germany and France struggling to survive as monarchic states. He signed numerous agreements with Germany, France, Japan, Portugal, and Spain and declared they would act as one should a fascist nation attack a member, reaffirming the Central Powers.
Jughashvilli requested Benito and Chamberlain reaffirm the Axis Powers, along with the smaller satellites. It was done. The battle lines were drawn.
The first crisis to present itself to the Huettler administration was the Northern Ireland Crisis of '38. Chamberlain demanded France hand over the northern Protestant area of Ireland immediately. The Federated Republic of England and Scotland prepared its armed forces. They had built up their army and navy since the Second Glorious Revolution, insisting that the treaty read that the army and navy of Great Britain were the only ones that were limited. Great Britain had not technically existed since 1901. The army was so large and the thought of war so gruesome that the monarchies went along with it, much to their immense later regrets. The army, largely Scottish in that area, clustered along the thin body of water separating Ireland from Scotland and scared the living daylights out of France. France's prime minister, Philippe Pétain, called for a meeting to peacefully resolve the problem. So, in late 1938, the Philadelphia conference occurred. Pétain, Benito, Huettler, and Chamberlain were all present. After five days of bickering and arguing, northern Ireland, Ulster, was given to Chamberlain, forming the Republic of Britain. This appeasement became known as the "Link-up," and it signaled the beginning of the dawn of war.
Franklin was not satisfied by the agreement, and neither was Huettler. They felt Petain was a morally weak and spineless individual who had just cost France a great deal of dignity.
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Left to Right: Chamberlain (FRES), Arthur O'Hara (French Ireland), Huettler (URAS), Benito I (HRE), and Generalissimo Antonio Giovanni (Vatican) at th Philadelphia Conference
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British troops march triumphantly in Belfast after the Link-up
The Link-up had given the status of Great Power back to Britain, and Chamberlain would be dead by 1940, leaving an unstable megalomaniac and his lieutenant in charge of the country. Two maniacs who would use war to expand their country and fascist ideology.
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Alex1guy
November 28th, 2011, 06:57 AM
Big brother :0
Napoleon53
November 28th, 2011, 07:40 AM
Big brother :0
Understatement! ;) Britain'll make Animal Farm look like Green Acres. :D
14,000 views and 300 posts!
glenn67
November 28th, 2011, 01:03 PM
It's the Winston and Oswald show.
And the sheet has hit the fan.
Turquoise Blue
November 28th, 2011, 01:06 PM
A Fascist Churchill, and an anti-fascist Hitler?!
Napoleon53
November 28th, 2011, 02:17 PM
It's the Winston and Oswald show.
And the sheet has hit the fan.
Hahahaha! Indeed!
A Fascist Churchill, and an anti-fascist Hitler?!
Precisely. You've discovered exactly what irony I'm going for. :D
Rooster Cogburn
November 28th, 2011, 08:23 PM
I've always hated FDR. The assassination only gives me another reason too. But I still love Blackjack, despite his war crimes :D Now let's see....
OTL= ATL
Chamberlain= Petain
Churchill= Hitler
Hitler= Chamberlain/Churchill/Mosley
Mussolini= Mussolini (10x)
Munich Conference= Philadelphia Conference
Spanish Civil War= Chinese War
George VI= Franklin Van Roosevelt
Great Britain= United States
Germany= Great Britain
France= France
Italy= Italy
Holocaust= ?
I don't know what Russia and Japan are. Does that make any sense or am I way off?
Turquoise Blue
November 28th, 2011, 08:30 PM
Holocaust= ?
Probably the Irish. There is history for it.
wietze
November 28th, 2011, 10:04 PM
I've always hated FDR. The assassination only gives me another reason too. But I still love Blackjack, despite his war crimes :D Now let's see....
OTL= ATL
France= France
Italy= Italy
Does that mean france still tries to screw everyone?
And that the conflicting parties still do a toss, and the loser gets italy as an ally ;) (its a bit of a running gag about italy in the 20th century lol)
and considering the assassination i would not compare roosevelt atl with george VI otl, he is more like otl hitler, chiang kai check or moseley
Readman
November 28th, 2011, 10:19 PM
Oh Sweet Merciful Loving Baby Jesus....Moseley & Winston tag-team extravaganza...:eek: You are a Bad Man! :p
Rooster Cogburn
November 28th, 2011, 10:44 PM
Does that mean france still tries to screw everyone?
And that the conflicting parties still do a toss, and the loser gets italy as an ally ;) (its a bit of a running gag about italy in the 20th century lol)
and considering the assassination i would not compare roosevelt atl with george VI otl, he is more like otl hitler, chiang kai check or moseley
I put France as France because it seemed like it would be the weakest of the Central Powers (compared to Germany or America) like it was in OTL, and it would be the first to fall. And I didn't really think of the assassination when I put Roosevelt= King George VI. America is a monarchy fighting fascism led by a charismatic Prime Minister who is strictly anti-fascist. If America is Britain, and Hitler is Churchill, it would only fit perfectly that Roosevelt was King George.
Napoleon53
November 29th, 2011, 12:14 AM
Woah, reply bomb. Awesome. :D
I've always hated FDR. The assassination only gives me another reason too. But I still love Blackjack, despite his war crimes :D Now let's see....
OTL= ATL
Chamberlain= Petain
Churchill= Hitler
Hitler= Chamberlain/Churchill/Mosley
Mussolini= Mussolini (10x)
Munich Conference= Philadelphia Conference
Spanish Civil War= Chinese War
George VI= Franklin Van Roosevelt
Great Britain= United States
Germany= Great Britain
France= France
Italy= Italy
Holocaust= ?
I don't know what Russia and Japan are. Does that make any sense or am I way off?
Almost exactly! Great job picking up the analogies!
Russia will be a lot like OTL Nazi Germany's satellites, only it will be a British satellite. It's more of a mixture of OTL fascist countries. Japan will essentially be the same, only on the anti-fascist side.
Probably the Irish. There is history for it.
Very nice thinking! I am indeed considering it.
Does that mean france still tries to screw everyone?
And that the conflicting parties still do a toss, and the loser gets italy as an ally ;) (its a bit of a running gag about italy in the 20th century lol)
and considering the assassination i would not compare roosevelt atl with george VI otl, he is more like otl hitler, chiang kai check or moseley
France will be pretty weak. It's soooo old and rusty it'll have a tough go of it. Perhaps they need a more "inspirational leader:"
Faced with crisis, the man of character falls back on himself. He imposes his own stamp of action, takes responsibility for it, makes it his own.
Google it if you don't know who said it. ;)
Moseley & Winston tag-team extravaganza...:eek: You are a Bad Man! :p
Just slightly perverted would be a more correct term. :p
If America is Britain, and Hitler is Churchill, it would only fit perfectly that Roosevelt was King George.
Ding! Ding! Ding! :D
Tsao
November 29th, 2011, 12:31 AM
Russia will be a lot like OTL Nazi Germany's satellites, only it will be a British satellite. It's more of a mixture of OTL fascist countries. Japan will essentially be the same, only on the anti-fascist side.
Russia? A British satellite? I doubt it. Unless there is a resistance and everything East of the Volga is Monarchist......
Napoleon53
November 29th, 2011, 12:39 AM
Russia? A British satellite? I doubt it. Unless there is a resistance and everything East of the Volga is Monarchist......
Less a satellite and more an "underling." Kind of like Russia idolizes Britain. They'll get more powerful, though, and start being themselves. :O Barbarossa reversed, anyone?
Napoleon53
November 29th, 2011, 06:24 AM
Chapter XXXVI
"I have nothing to offer but blood, toil, tears, and sweat!"
-Winston Churchill, upon assuming leadership of the Republic of Britain
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Grand Leader Winston Churchill and his second-in-command Oswald Mosley
When Chamberlain died in 1940, his successor took over. Winston Churchill had been involved with the Victoria Execution and all other national events for decades. Now, it was his time to lead. He took Chamberlain's more moderate government, by fascist standards, and made it a revanchist military state. Now, with Northern Ireland under his control he sought to grab up all of Ireland. He knew full well that the Central Powers would never hand over Ireland and it would lead to war. Thus, he set about building the army and navy to an unbelievable extent.
His first act was to choose Mosley as his lieutenant. The young, mustachioed radical had been a leading member of the party since the 20's. Not only did he become next-in-command, he became leader of the State Secret Service (SSS) and the Protection Squadron. The SSS arrested dissidents and monarchists. The PS were like policemen on steroids. They had their own army formations, officer corps, generals, everything. Also, not only did he control these organizations, he also controlled the elite Britannia Corps, nicknamed the Blackshirts. The Blackshirts were ruthless men who were under his complete control. The Blackshirts lines of duty blurred somewhere between "mafia" and "soldiers." Ruthless executions were carried out by them over years of time. The insignia of the Blackshirts itself, along with the traditional British Union of Fascists lightning bolt, was a Death's Head worn on their caps.
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A cap belonging to Blackshirt commander Bernard Law Montgomery
The first warlike operation conducted by the Blackshirts was the destruction of Catholic Irish homes and businesses in Northern Ireland in February of 1940. Known as Crystal Oíche, Crystal Night, referencing all the broken glass that lay strewn on the street after the gunfire and sledgehammers came down upon the Irish businesses' and homes' glass windows. Around 200 catholic churches and places of worship were ransacked and demolished. 1,000 Catholic homes were damaged or destroyed by Blackshirt radicals. As the campaign of terror progressed over the following weeks, hundreds of Irishmen died. After satisfactorily removing the "Catholic monarchical threat," the plans for the invasion of all Ireland were drawn up in secret and the British army slowly advanced to the coastlines, preparing to invade.
Over the next half a year, the world tried to pacify the British with agreements and pamperings, but they could not prevent the oncoming storm. War between the fascists and monarchists had finally arrived. It would be a war to end one faction or the other. The nations braced themselves.
In August of 1940, hundreds of new technologically advanced iron horse divisions, known as Lions, were finished by the factories and brought up into Northern Ireland. The new Lion iron horses, later simply called "Iron Lions," were the best in the world, and were supposed to be practically invincible.
During the last few weeks before the war started, Churchill signed an agreement with Russia that Britain would support Russia's invasion of Europe wholesale. Benito agreed to the same treaty a day later. The smaller nations went along to get along.
At last, on October 1st, 1940, World War I began. First, hundreds upon hundreds of British aeroplanes made strafing runs over Ireland, bombing the daylights out of several key Franco-Irish static defense lines. Thousands of soldiers and civilians were killed. Then, after the bombings had softened up the Irish, the Army of Scotland and Ireland marched across the border and began a systematic destruction of the Irish government. After the infantry came the paranauts were deployed, floating down from the sky, guns blazing, as they took out minor locations and deployed smoke grenades to mark paths for the infantry and Iron Lions. The tanks terrified the Irish and sent them packing almost immediately upon sight of them. As the British army grew nearer to Dublin, the Irish government escaped to France. The poorly equipped and underfunded Irish army, even wearing spare, dyed German uniforms, was massacred, especially when they went up against PS units.
After each city was captured, Blackshirts would move in. Pogroms and blood purges ensued. Before long, huge concentration camps were set up for Catholics and monarchists as the British proceeded on their goal of national purity.
After 20 short days, Ireland was entirely under British control and France braced for total war.
All the allied nations had declared war as soon as the Invasion of Ireland had begun. Russia was the first to act.
Jughashvilli launched Operation: Czar Peter. This swift-as-lightning attack on Germany started on October 2nd. Russia and its allied Eastern European nations began an massive, million-man-strong assault bent on subjugating Prussia and then starving out Germany as Belgium and the Netherlands launched their attack.
In the meantime, the Belgians and Dutch marched upon Nord Pas-de-Calais and Picardie, driving out the weak and unprepared French army. Germany was too busy dealing with Russia to be able to threaten the Low Countries in any way. Before long, British troops appeared fighting with the Dutch and Belgians in northern France.
The URAS declared war as soon as the news reached them. Huettler declared that he would personally have Winston Churchill escorted to the Gates of Hell. Trade boomed and the American navy did battle with the Limeys in the Battle of the Atlantic. While losses were heavy on both sides, France was able to equip itself adequately. In France, it was not the lack of supplies hampering them, but a lack of leadership. Petain was a spineless jellyfish, refusing to have the army take a stand and fight. Instead, he ordered a series of embarrassing military disasters and retreats against the armies of the Low Countries. How he would handle an all-out British assault gave everyone in the Central Powers a case of insomnia.
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Irish artillerymen watch British aeroplanes buzz through the skies above Clonmacnois, October 1st, 1940; note surplus German uniforms dyed green
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A French field piece sits abandoned near the bombed-out Omagh Aerofield, a key strategic position that came under heavy assault by Protection Squadron divisions
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A regiment of Irish cavalrymen surrenders to British troops on October 10th, near Galway; note the English flag pennant near the motorcycle on the left
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Three Englishmen examine a map of a small Irish town before signaling several Iron Lions to bulldoze it to the ground
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British troops in Derry hold a captured Irish regimental standard
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Typical scene of the Emerald Isle during the October of 1940
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A British artillery squad prepares to shell oncoming Franco-Irish infantry at a farm near Sligo
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A Scot plays MacPherson's Lament as the final assault on Dublin is about to take place
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Wounded British soldiers make their way to the rear during the final assault on Dublin
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One of the few effective fights put up by Irish forces occurred at Wicklow on October 20th, days after Dublin; here, British troops blinded by a gas attack await medical assistance - the British loss was too little, too late, however
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More German-supplied Irish troops advance at Wicklow
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Captured American troops that guarded the Dublin URAS embassy are brought before Protection Squad officers; they were shipped to Scotland, where the infamous Glasgow Prison Camp awaited them - only the lead soldier, Private Alexander Jackson Johnson, would survive
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Irish Catholic civilians executed by the fanatically Protestant Blackshirts in Dublin; the man in the background is Major Henry Smythe, who masterminded the Dublin Executions, wearing his famous skull-badged derby hat
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Bobbies nab three Irish Catholics trying to escape to France, late 1940
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The infamous Dublin Concentration camp, where over 20,000 Catholics were murdered
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Russian fascist troops enter a contested area in a Prussian town
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A Prussian soldier executes a Russian POW
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Russian troops hug the ground in a contested Polish village
Darth_Kiryan
November 29th, 2011, 06:33 AM
Jake Featherston isn't going to make an appearance sometime soon, is he?:mad:
Napoleon53
November 29th, 2011, 06:38 AM
Jake Featherston isn't going to make an appearance sometime soon, is he?:mad:
:mad: Don't give it away!
:p
I'm trying to make sure Churchill is depicted as evil, so people won't think of him as the cuddly, cigar-puffing fat man they usually do. ;)
Darth_Kiryan
November 29th, 2011, 06:44 AM
I'm trying to make sure Churchill is depicted as evil, so people won't think of him as the cuddly, cigar-puffing fat man they usually do. ;)
I'm pretty sure we know he's evil.
Napoleon53
November 29th, 2011, 06:50 AM
I'm pretty sure we know he's evil.
But on the evil scale how evil? Hitler evil or Tex Richman evil? :p
Seriously, though, I'm trying to realistically portray a Cromwellian fascist persecution. Don't worry, though, they'll of course get their just deserts!
glenn67
November 29th, 2011, 01:11 PM
Great job with the war photos. World War I is kicking ass.
Napoleon53
November 29th, 2011, 02:11 PM
Danke! It's fun and a challenge to find the ones I need. That one picture of the Bobbies escorting those refugees forcibly was like it was made for this TL.
Rooster Cogburn
November 29th, 2011, 09:52 PM
Ah, so Poland= Ireland. And on that note, Heil Churchill! :D
But ya, things are about to get real interesting. France getting beat by the Low Countries!?!?! As shocking as that is, its not entirely surprising....Ireland is gone, Britain and the Low Countries have France, Russia has Germany, and Italy is there for backup. I don't see how the fascists can loose in Europe. It'll probably take an American D-day times a billion to liberate ALL or Europe. I forget what side Spain is on, but unless you make that a final stand for the Monarchists and have them keep it, it shouldn't be that tough to defeat. And please: No matter what happens, keep Mussolini in charge of an Italian Empire. He didn't commit anything like the Holocaust in OTL, so maybe the Monarchists, with Britain and Russia on their hands, let him off with a warning. Please!!!!! Pretty please with sugar on top, and ice cream on the bottom, and hundred dollar bills around it covered in cocaine while being served by underaged Vietnamese hookers!!! Please!!!!! :D:D:D
Personally, I like the WW2 parodies. Although the fact that this is called World War ONE makes me uneasy.
P.S. If you couldn't tell, this is my first time using bold and italics on one of these posts :D
Napoleon53
November 29th, 2011, 10:10 PM
Ah, so Poland= Ireland. And on that note, Heil Churchill! :D
But ya, things are about to get real interesting. France getting beat by the Low Countries!?!?! As shocking as that is, its not entirely surprising....Ireland is gone, Britain and the Low Countries have France, Russia has Germany, and Italy is there for backup. I don't see how the fascists can loose in Europe. It'll probably take an American D-day times a billion to liberate ALL or Europe. I forget what side Spain is on, but unless you make that a final stand for the Monarchists and have them keep it, it shouldn't be that tough to defeat. And please: No matter what happens, keep Mussolini in charge of an Italian Empire. He didn't commit anything like the Holocaust in OTL, so maybe the Monarchists, with Britain and Russia on their hands, let him off with a warning. Please!!!!! Pretty please with sugar on top, and ice cream on the bottom, and hundred dollar bills around it covered in cocaine while being served by underaged Vietnamese hookers!!! Please!!!!! :D:D:D
Personally, I like the WW2 parodies. Although the fact that this is called World War ONE makes me uneasy.
P.S. If you couldn't tell, this is my first time using bold and italics on one of these posts :D
Jawohl, Poland is indeed Ireland. Lol, that sounded hilarious, but it's true. :p Oh, and... "Long Live the Grand Leader! Send him victorious, happy and glorious, long to preside o'er us, God save Churchill!" ;)
Oui, France is a decrepit empire that saw it's heyday end around 1900. Don't forget they have a quarter of Australia. That'll be lost pretty easy unless Spain steps in from the Philippines.
Let's not forget Portugual, either. They're not a great power, but they're not 3rd-world like they are now. :p
Spain will likely side with the monarchists. They'll be a bit like the Russian Bear: slow to get going but watch out when it does. If they fight as "New Conquistadors," and also seek to end their rivalry with the Dutch, they'll be a good army. Picture Franco leading his monarchist troops into battle against the fascists!
Benito will be a strange one to deal with. Haven't decided yet. Might end up being the Hirohito of this TL, apologizing and living out the rest of his days under watch and threats.
Yes, it is indeed World War One.
*Tex Richman voice* "Maniacal laugh!":p
Oh, and I haven't yet described S. America yet... It's as chaotic as Eastern Europe after the Soviets collapsed. Expect intense rivalries.
bolhabela
November 29th, 2011, 10:46 PM
So what dose this make Hungary? Still on german side or fasist to?
King of Rome
November 29th, 2011, 10:51 PM
Wow. I have only started to read the tl but I am hooked, good job!
Rooster Cogburn
November 29th, 2011, 11:00 PM
Russia= Spain !?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!? :confused: You're one sick, twisted man....
Napoleon53
November 29th, 2011, 11:25 PM
So what dose this make Hungary? Still on german side or fasist to?
Hungary is still part of the fascist Republic of Austria-Hungary.
Wow. I have only started to read the tl but I am hooked, good job!
Thank you very much! :D This is my first TL, so I'm glad so many people like it, comment and criticize, and follow.
Russia= Spain !?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!? :confused: You're one sick, twisted man....
Yes, I am, I am indeed. :)
Napoleon53
December 1st, 2011, 07:31 AM
CHAPTER XXXVII
Pouvez-vous parler Néerlandais?
The Early Years and the Occupation of the Kingdom of France
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Flag of the Dutch Union of Fascists, a puppet organization of the British UF, and battle flag of the Kingdom of the Dutch; the Lightning Bolt became the worldwide symbol of fascism
The Low Countries had really stuck it to the Kingdom of France in late 1940. The Belgians had gone berserk along the coast, gobbling up Calais, Picardie, and Haute-Normandie, and the Dutch had come down to attack the north-east, in Champagne and Lorraine. The Luxembourgers had no sovereign country, but they rebelled against the king. Though the uprising was defeated, Luxembourger regiments fought for the Belgian and Dutch armies. As the French mustered to go on the offensive against their northern neighbors in January of '41, the Holy Roman Empire attacked from the rear. Benito marched his troops into Provence-Alpes-Cote D'Azur, Languedoc-Rousillon, Midi-Pyrenees, and Rhone-Alpes. He still had to wage war with Sardinia, Genoa, and Venice however, which resulted in a bogged down Italian western army for much of the war. He had not invaded any of those countries, instead shipping his armies across the Mediterranean into France. Those three Italian countries would be key in fighting the fascists.
It was not much longer before Austria-Hungary and Bohemia and Moravia got in on the swift destruction, getting clearance to pass through Italian territory. When they decided they had to speed it up or miss the chance for territory, Austria-Hungary decided to violate Swiss neutrality. During the Rape of Switzerland, the Austro-Hungarian army ransacked, looted, burned, and murdered their way through the country, leaving a desolate wasteland in the charge of Bohemia and Moravia. Soon, Franche-Comte, Alsace, and Burgogne had fallen to the Austro-Hungarians. France was almost completely destroyed.
At last, in early April, 1941, British troops landed in Basse-Normandie and Bretagne. Over the following several months, it tore up the center of the country. At last, Ile-de-France, the region of Paris, was surrounded by Axis armies and stormed. Protection Squad soldiers secretly sent by Churchill captured and executed the royal family in secret. The newspapers said the royal family was "being held indefinitely in an undisclosed location." Afterward, a group of Dutch soldiers stormed the government buildings. After a short meeting, Petain agreed to lead the new fascist government "for the good of France."
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France in mid 1941; light gray is Belgian, yellow in the Republic of Normandie, green is the Republic of Bretagne, orange is Dutch, blue is Ile-de-France, bronze is the Republic of Alsace-Lorraine, dark purple is Austria-Hungary, red is Britain, dark gray is the Holy Roman Empire
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French President Philippe Petain
Antoine I had escaped the murders by dressing as a civilian and sneaking to the coast, where the resistance movement quietly transported him to America. He briefed a furious King Franklin, his good friend, on what had happened. America doubled its production and readied to move to attack and liberate France.
Despite its enormous manpower, Sir George Patton, now the top-ranking officer in all the army thanks to his friend Huettler playing favorites, warned that the URAS would fail spectacularly if it attempted an all-out assault by itself. Upon hearing this warning, Huettler began talks with Spain, Portugal, Denmark, and Sweden. Once they arrived at an agreement for collective action, those countries entered the war.
To fight the growing French resistance movements, the Axis decided to break things up in several key regions. All damaged buildings, roads, businesses, and farms were cleaned up, troop codes of conduct were established, and governments were created in Normandie, Bretagne, and Alsace-Lorraine to placate the people. It worked to a great degree. The new governments, though, were hardly independent; the invading Axis troops remained just as they had before and the regions were no more open to counter invasion than they were before. This successful new tactic was coined "Franconization," and was to be used heavily in the future.
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France late 1941; blue is Petain's Republic of France (Axis puppet), though all invading armies remain the same as they were
Germany had to deal with Russia and all the other fascist Eastern European countries. Prussia was slowly being swallowed by the Russian bear, and Romania and Bohemia and Moravia did not make it any easier at all. The rest of Germany tried to bring more men to the Russian Front while also attempting to stave off the Dutch. With Denmark's entrance into the war that changed drastically. Denmark hit the Dutch from behind with unexpected voracity. After what had happened to Switzerland, the Danes knew what they could expect by being neutral. At the same time, Sweden sallied forth into Finland. While the Finns put up good resistance, the Swedish army, one of the best-trained in Europe, made quick work of them. The rapid increase in Central Power troop numbers made the Axis think twice about trying to leave France to go into western Germany. By Christmas, 1941, tens of thousands of Danes were in Germany, slowly showing the Russians who had the better-trained, but perhaps the smaller, armed forces. Danish and German pilots took to the air in a renewed attempt to drive off the Slavic invaders.
Jughashvilli responded with slaughter. He demanded a poorly thought-out assault on Berlin itself. On February 8th, 1942, the Russian tricolor hung on the capitol building ruins. Intense resistance followed and Germans and Danes fought to retake it. It was one of the costliest battles of all time. By its end the next year, over two million would be dead.
Sweden continued shellacking the fascists in the north. Karelia was conquered the same month Berlin was invaded by the Russians. Once it reached Russia itself, the advances slowed into bloody battles with the Ioseb's forces, especially once Nikita Khrushchev took over the 5th Army against the Swedes.
In South-Eastern Europe, Jugoslavija, still under Tito, and its allies, particularly Greece, fell into a dispute with the Turkish fascist government over oil and religion. When occupying armies on its coasts cracked down on civilians, Turkey had had enough. It joined the Central Powers on May 1st, 1942. The Turks immediately overthrew the military occupations and used all the captured equipment to supply their new army. The Bosporus Republic, essentially a country consisting of Constantinople, became their prime target. It was invaded and the government toppled in April. It then called for a united action by all Turks and Arabs to defeat the Axis Powers. Saudi Arabia was the first to agree with the Turks, followed by Jordan and Iraq.
The Republic of Jerusalem and its satellite of Hejaz became prime targets for this new Arab Surge. French soldiers in Egypt still loyal to the monarchy attacked across the border every day. The Jugoslavijan territory was swallowed by the Turks very quickly, as was Austria-Hungary's. This new united army of the Middle East could only find themselves unable to crack Jerusalem. Benito made sure fresh soldiers were always there to push any advances back. Hejaz, though, was being engulfed by the Saudis. The Muslim holy sites there were to important a target to resist, and Hejaz fell by mid '42.
In early '41, Britain's army in Australia had attacked the French regions there. After taking over French East Guinea, came to help. In a short time, Australia was under Churchill's total control. This was a massive boost to the Axis war effort, and freed up many new men for the fields of Asia and Europe.
In Asia, the Chinas remained neutral, not willing to start another bloody war between themselves. Japan, however, couldn't have been happier. They gobbled up any remaining Axis island colonies and hit the Kamchatka Peninsula. The Japanese Invasion of Russia had begun. As they advanced over Siberia, they discovered Jughashvilli's prison camps. They were medieval torture houses. After giving a report on the disturbing find, Japan announced it would show no mercy to soldiers guarding these gulags. Thousands were executed. The massive Japanese army, now actually being enlarged by Siberians and Asian Russians who disliked the fascists. This greater army seemed a distant worry to Moscow until Japanese scouts were captured at Krasnoyarsk, a substantially massive amount of miles from the coast. From then on, Russia had to start pulling troops away from the fight with Germany and Sweden to combat the Japanese advances. Hirohito the God-Emperor was hellbent on marching to Moscow.
Japan had never had a peace treaty with Mao, and it was considered a separate conflict from the rest of the war when they made large inroads into the Xining Republic. Mao launched his army, but was badly defeated. The Manchukuo border grew a few miles.
In India, the British worried about just preventing invasion from American Indochina. America was now a giant in the Pacific Theatre and its many aerocraft carriers patrolled the Indian Ocean, which happened to be where Britain's navy was weakest. Several landings had already taken place, with Americans stepping foot on Indian soil solely to irritate Churchill that he could do nothing about it. An eventual invasion was drawn up by Huettler and Franklin, where America, Japan, and Spain would come from the east and other armies would come from the Middle East (if the Central Powers won that theatre). These plans were pushed far to the future, however.
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French Royal iron horses on the move along the Low Country Front (1941)
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Belgian infantrymen in northern France pose for a photograph (1940)
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British Protection Squad officers outside the French royal family's second home trade information on the whereabouts of Antoine I, who had, unbeknown to them, escaped to America (1941)
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Karelian troops surrender to Swedish soldiers; the Swedish army uniform was nearly identical to Germany's, but was blue (1942)
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The German destroyer Kaiser is sunk in the Baltic by Russian battleships (not pictured) (1942)
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Imperial Bersaglieri troopers at a roadblock in southern occupied France (1942)
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Emperor Benito I inspects new recruits heading for Jerusalem (1943)
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Typical Holy Roman infantryman of WWI
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Imperial soldiers await review by the Emperor in front of the Imperial Palace (1942)
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Venetian artillerymen barrage Jugoslavijan forces near Trieste (1941)
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Sardinian soldiers accept the surrender of an Imperial major near Turin (1942)
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Luxembourger militia troopers (1940)
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Japanese troops taking over a British island colony; these battles were almost always successful (1942)
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R.B.S. Churchill and Glasgow under attack by Japanese aeroplanes (1941)
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The Imperial Japanese Navy bombs and shells an Axis Pacific port (1943)
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American marines land unmolested in India for a day as a show of force and to pillage supplies (1942)
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British infantry land in Normandie (1941)
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Australian soldiers surrender to Japanese troops off the coast of Australia
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Churchill's men on the March to Paris (1941)
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Churchill and Tito meet in Paris; Petain's French Republican Guards stand in the background (1941)
I know there's a couple with Bundesarchiv printed on the bottom, but use your imagination. :p Also, this covers a lot in a medium sized chapter; it's because this is before the URAS enters full-force, and this story focuses on the URAS, not, say, listing every general and every battle fought by the Dutch or Russians. In the next chapter, it'll be slower paced and more detailed, because the URAS will be going gung-ho. To simply put it, this "WWII" will be longer than OTL, and also cover more territory. Don't worry, they'll be plenty to read.
Darth_Kiryan
December 1st, 2011, 12:40 PM
Stopped reading at France having their butt being kicked by Belguim and the Netherlands.........
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Yeah, this TL just became really awesome.
Rooster Cogburn
December 1st, 2011, 07:50 PM
The rape of Switzerland? Danish soldiers key to Germany's war effort? An unbeatable Swedish army? Japanese marching on Moscow? Japanese soldiers being humanitarian? This is madness I say, madness!!! :eek:
P.S. Italian Empire getting French coast :D <3
Napoleon53
December 1st, 2011, 10:07 PM
Stopped reading at France having their butt being kicked by Belguim and the Netherlands.........
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Yeah, this TL just became really awesome.
:D
The rape of Switzerland? Danish soldiers key to Germany's war effort? An unbeatable Swedish army? Japanese marching on Moscow? Japanese soldiers being humanitarian? This is madness I say, madness!!! :eek:
P.S. Italian Empire getting French coast :D <3
The Japanese haven't marched on it yet, but they want to. And they're not really humanitarian, but use "nice guy" tactics to get the Siberians and Asians to side with them. Plus, they know the other monarchies like "gentlemanly behavior," so they mind their manners. It'll get more brutal as the years drag on.
Glad you guys are enjoying it!
Rooster Cogburn
December 3rd, 2011, 04:33 AM
I request that Otto Skorzeny be included in the next update :)
Turquoise Blue
December 5th, 2011, 10:18 PM
Bumping this because it is interesting.
I recommend that after WWI, you ask people for names, since historical figures is definetly butterflied away.
Napoleon53
December 6th, 2011, 05:35 AM
I request that Otto Skorzeny be included in the next update :)
I will try. :D Someone with a schmiss that interesting is to good to pass up using.
Bumping this because it is interesting.
I recommend that after WWI, you ask people for names, since historical figures is definetly butterflied away.
Yeah, that's actually what I was thinking. I'm thinking about making the future of this more like raygun gothic. Not lasers and actual rayguns, but taking 50's architecture and style to the extreme. Essentially, everything will look like an Airstream Trailer or a old chromed toaster. Might be awesome. :D
Sorry guys, I've been busy lately... I'll try to update t'mar'ah.
Rooster Cogburn
December 6th, 2011, 05:49 AM
Yeah, that's actually what I was thinking. I'm thinking about making the future of this more like raygun gothic. Not lasers and actual rayguns, but taking 50's architecture and style to the extreme. Essentially, everything will look like an Airstream Trailer or a old chromed toaster. Might be awesome. :D
So, the Jetsons ruled by a King Roosevelt? You might be pushing this timeline into the ASB zone :rolleyes::D
metastasis_d
December 6th, 2011, 12:34 PM
I can't believe I missed this little gem of a timeline springing up so quickly. I wish I had been around earlier to help with ideas, and ask relevant questions (though they pretty much all get answered anyway). Subscribed, and keep up the amazing work!
Also, with your permission I'd like to transfer the current working map over to the UCS version with the whole globe detailed. It seems some of the Pacific theatre may become a little more important than it has been, and the one used doesn't have say New Caledonia or the Samoas.
I've got a TON of questions about the general State of the Union, but I think I'll wait to see how this war pans out. OTL WWII affected the everyday lives of Americans greatly, and vise versa, and I am just full of speculation on that, but want to see where you take this first. I will just ask how treatment of the SE Asians and Congolese is going... I imagine much better than say the Belgian Free State.
Somebody stable is going to have to take control of some of those oilpans... Either the fascist Arabian Peninsula (likely) or OTL Venezuela (unlikely, as there's little chance Mexico and the URAS are going to be on the same side if the old Latin union brings up old hostilities)
Finally, URAS IN SOUTH AFRICA! I can just see the ultimate American expeditions at Dutch and British colonial empires to weaken them as much as possible before the possible... dare I say it... TTL Sealion?!
Napoleon53
December 6th, 2011, 10:20 PM
So, the Jetsons ruled by a King Roosevelt? You might be pushing this timeline into the ASB zone :rolleyes::D
Lol, the tech will be the same as OTL or perhaps a tiny bit better, but the looks of things will be 50's deco type. :D
I can't believe I missed this little gem of a timeline springing up so quickly. I wish I had been around earlier to help with ideas, and ask relevant questions (though they pretty much all get answered anyway). Subscribed, and keep up the amazing work!
Also, with your permission I'd like to transfer the current working map over to the UCS version with the whole globe detailed. It seems some of the Pacific theatre may become a little more important than it has been, and the one used doesn't have say New Caledonia or the Samoas.
I've got a TON of questions about the general State of the Union, but I think I'll wait to see how this war pans out. OTL WWII affected the everyday lives of Americans greatly, and vise versa, and I am just full of speculation on that, but want to see where you take this first. I will just ask how treatment of the SE Asians and Congolese is going... I imagine much better than say the Belgian Free State.
Somebody stable is going to have to take control of some of those oilpans... Either the fascist Arabian Peninsula (likely) or OTL Venezuela (unlikely, as there's little chance Mexico and the URAS are going to be on the same side if the old Latin union brings up old hostilities)
Finally, URAS IN SOUTH AFRICA! I can just see the ultimate American expeditions at Dutch and British colonial empires to weaken them as much as possible before the possible... dare I say it... TTL Sealion?!
Thank you very, very much!
Feel free to UCS it. :D
This war will affect everyday lives even more than OTL. Yep, the North African theatre will be less important than the South, ironically. The SE Asians and Congolese are much better treated.
That's enough telling of what will happen, though; time to write a new chapter! :D
Turquoise Blue
December 6th, 2011, 10:23 PM
Yeah, that's actually what I was thinking.
Then maybe, the first female American Prime Minister/Viceroy could be me?
Napoleon53
December 6th, 2011, 10:34 PM
Then maybe, the first female American Prime Minister/Viceroy could be me?
Haha, why not? :D
Feel free to give me names, guys! I can't really use every one if you give me long lists, but I'll try to use as many as I can. It's darn hard to create good fake names.
One guy you will see a lot of in the future of this TL is this fella, who's life was cut short. Shame on you if ya don't know who he is:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/44/Audie_Murphy_uniform_medals.jpg
I'm not gonna say what Audie will do, yet. I quite frankly haven't made up my mind, but I want him to be important.
Darth_Kiryan
December 6th, 2011, 10:36 PM
Audie Murphy?
I guess it makes sense, especially with all of those damn decorations on his chest, both sides.
Napoleon53
December 6th, 2011, 10:38 PM
Audie Murphy?
Aye. I like him, so I'm starting to work out a plot for him.
And yes he had a lot of medals. Most ever.
Enigmajones
December 6th, 2011, 10:51 PM
Im sure this is fun, but how can you have Benito Mussolini alive when the POD is in the 1700's?
Napoleon53
December 6th, 2011, 11:06 PM
Im sure this is fun, but how can you have Benito Mussolini alive when the POD is in the 1700's?
Why not? I doubt the Revolutionary War had any impact on Mussolini's ancestry.
Turquoise Blue
December 6th, 2011, 11:24 PM
Haha, why not? :D
Feel free to give me names, guys! I can't really use every one if you give me long lists, but I'll try to use as many as I can. It's darn hard to create good fake names.
Gwendolen Harris. Thats my name. If necessary, make me a Welsh-American.
Napoleon53
December 6th, 2011, 11:44 PM
Sure thing! :D Might be a while till the "modern" era, 80's, 90's, 2000's, but I'll put you in.
Turquoise Blue
December 6th, 2011, 11:46 PM
Sure thing! :D Might be a while till the "modern" era, 80's, 90's, 2000's, but I'll put you in.
Oh, and please give me a decent and memorable time in office. My position is socialist, so I should be in a lefty party.
metastasis_d
December 6th, 2011, 11:49 PM
I'd like to volunteer the American name "Nicholas Young" for the purposes of the timeline. Do with it what you will, but try to make it something good :D
Gun related prefereably...
Also working on this new map. I've removed the rivers (they get in the way!) and tried to keep everything as you had it. After I show you what I've got I'll need some guidance on island ownership in the Caribbean and Pacific.
Turquoise Blue
December 6th, 2011, 11:52 PM
I'd like to volunteer the American name "Nicholas Young" for the purposes of the timeline. Do with it what you will, but try to make it something good :D
Gun related prefereably...
Also working on this new map. I've removed the rivers (they get in the way!) and tried to keep everything as you had it. After I show you what I've got I'll need some guidance on island ownership in the Caribbean and Pacific.
I like the idea of myself being assassinated in my second term, a sort of JFK-analogue. Would you like to be the assassin?
metastasis_d
December 6th, 2011, 11:57 PM
I like the idea of myself being assassinated in my second term, a sort of JFK-analogue. Would you like to be the assassin?
:D
Hahaha, I could live with that.
If that's where you want to go with this, Napoleon, have at it.
Napoleon53
December 7th, 2011, 12:09 AM
Oh, and please give me a decent and memorable time in office. My position is socialist, so I should be in a lefty party.
Aye, aye Tron. Will do.
I'd like to volunteer the American name "Nicholas Young" for the purposes of the timeline. Do with it what you will, but try to make it something good :D
Gun related prefereably...
Also working on this new map. I've removed the rivers (they get in the way!) and tried to keep everything as you had it. After I show you what I've got I'll need some guidance on island ownership in the Caribbean and Pacific.
Young Armaments Company? :D Young-owned Blackwater-type group? Remember to remind me when the time comes; it's difficult to keep everything in this TL straight.
:D
Hahaha, I could live with that.
If that's where you want to go with this, Napoleon, have at it.
I could see a Socialist getting assassinated in the URAS, much like the more left JFK, though he was pretty conservative as far as politics goes, was unpopular with the "Leave it to Beaver Umerica Heck Yes Land" civilians. :p
By the way... Joseph Kennedys already appeared earlier. Expect his sons soon. Perhaps a Bonapartes vs. Kennedy political arena in the 50's and 60's?
Tsao
December 7th, 2011, 12:10 AM
Why not? I doubt the Revolutionary War had any impact on Mussolini's ancestry.
Butterflies, my friend....
Also, if you're looking for names, please include a fellow named Qin Shengju in Sichuan, China during the 1950s. He was my grandfather.
Turquoise Blue
December 7th, 2011, 12:32 AM
I like the idea that Socialism gets stronger after my death, with me as a martyr to the cause.
Napoleon53
December 7th, 2011, 12:40 AM
please include a fellow named Qin Shengju in Sichuan, China during the 1950s. He was my grandfather.
Sure! I have trouble coming up with Asian names in particular, so absolutely. :D China will be an important area in the future of the TL, especially in the 50's. Mao and Shek can't just stare each other down for much longer.
Napoleon53
December 7th, 2011, 12:42 AM
Sure! I have trouble coming up with Asian names in particular, so absolutely. :D China will be an important area in the future of the TL, especially in the 50's. Mao and Shek can't just stare each other down for much longer.
EDIT: @Tron: Jawohl, socialism might be popular in, say, California and other states. I can also see a post-Stal- er- Jughashvili Russia turning to less strict socialism. S. America, too...
metastasis_d
December 7th, 2011, 01:20 AM
Here it is! I tried to keep it as close to your most recent map as possible, but there were parts where the current UCS map has the landforms closer drawn out. Let me know if you need anything changed.
Got rid of rivers. I can probably put them back in if you'd like.
Big things: I left most of the Caribbean nations as neutral, because I remember you saying the Caribbean was a Franco-American lake but didn't know which islands belonged to whom.
Left Pacific nations/territories OTL and waiting for you to decide (or edit yourself, as it may be easier) which islands go to whom. Maldives and the St. Helena group, South Sandwich Islands, Islands around Madagascar and the Indian Ocean, disputed territory between Japan and Russia, and the islands around New Zealand could all use some confirmation.
There is quite a bit on here that is OTL, but I think all of it is islands. As far as I know, everything from your map on post 278 (http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showpost.php?p=5286648&postcount=278) has been transferred.
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If anyone wants to use this, edit it, clean it up, make it better, by all means go for it.
Let me know what you think, and crank out that next chapter!!
Edit: I also finished up the American exploration and claiming of the Arctic islands, the Andaman and Nicobar islands, and the islands between Panama and Cuba.
Napoleon53
December 7th, 2011, 01:32 AM
"Impressive. Most impressive." ;)
I really like that. I love how it makes islands so much easier to do, especially. :)
I'm cranking. Should be up in the next, oh, two-three hours. If not, then first thing to do when I get up tomorrow. :D
Enigmajones
December 7th, 2011, 02:51 AM
Why not? I doubt the Revolutionary War had any impact on Mussolini's ancestry.
So I take it you have no belief in the Butterfly?
Rooster Cogburn
December 7th, 2011, 03:04 AM
I request the mention of my great-great uncle, or something like that. His name was Michael DeRensis, and in OTL he participated in the Italian invasion of Ethiopia, the Italian invasion of Albania, and in WW2 he fought alongside the Germans on the Eastern front as part of the Italian corps, fighting the Russians. He might have been at Stalingrad, and I think he was one of the ones who kept fighting there even after Italy surrendered :D So yes, if you could include him as part of Mussolini's Roman Empire, that would be much appreciated. :)
When you get to the present, you can use me, Hunter. Have me as a conservative politician fighting off the radical, eventually doomed socialists. Seriously, make me the Snoop Dogg of politics :cool:
That is all. :rolleyes:
Napoleon53
December 7th, 2011, 03:49 AM
Interesting ancestor ya got there! I'll work him in soon, then, since he's in the same era as the current story. :) My most interesting one was my great grandfather, a polygamous Austro-Hungarian who went to the USA and joined the Dillinger Mob, and there's some good evidence he was Dillinger's personal driver. Might've even "rubbed out some fellas, see? see? Something to be proud of, myeah, myeah, see?" :p I know he "found" ID's and wallets on dead bodies. I don't have any war hero ancestors, except Richard the Lionhearted, so at least no one recent except my Yankee ancestor who died writing anti-Lincoln letters out of his CSA prison camp. You should read some of those... Wow, the cussin' is something else. :o I'll try to work my gangster great-grandfather in, preferably as an honorable man. My family already made a cameo appearance with my fictional ancestor as the fascist German pope. :D
Any others?
And yes, I use butterflies, but only when I want or am forced to. :p
Readman
December 7th, 2011, 04:16 AM
Audie Murphy was a total *badass* I'm sure his part in all this should be really rather interesting and exciting, to say the least :D
achilles483
December 7th, 2011, 12:42 PM
I would submit the name Jack Mardel for a character in this timeline, preferably an American and portrayed in a positive light, but wherever you think it might fit best is fine with me.
Napoleon53
December 8th, 2011, 04:07 AM
CHAPTER XXXVIII
"The Yanks are Coming!"
America Enters World War One
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Marion Anthony ("Duke Anthony") Morrison
When the URAS finally worked out its battle plan, they struck like lightning. Many heroes would be born of this conflict, but a select few would be famous for all time. In the African Theatre, it was Marion Anthony ("Duke Anthony") Morrison. Morrison was with the 28th Pennsylvania out of Fort Indiantown Gap. A mere corporal when the landing craft touched down in the Orange Free State in early 1943, he would quickly prove himself a hero. Killing over 70 and capturing over 15 Dutch fascist soldiers during the bloody landing at Port Noloth. Promoted to sergeant immediately, he led his platoon through the intense fighting at Doorn Burg, Calvinia, and Clanwilliam, all while fighting under Grand Marshall Jack Mardel, nicknamed Blackjack II, in a positive sense. Mardel led his troops in mid-1943 to take Cape Town, crippling the Orange Free State. By this time, Morrison had been promoted to captain, and the Orange Free State had surrendered.
After finishing off the South Africans, Mardel attacked the British holdings in Africa from the south, while American and Portuguese struck from the Congo. Britain dug in, and prepared for a long war in Africa. It shipped men, vehicles, and supplies through Petain's French Africa. They had trouble getting across the French-British African border unscathed, though, thanks to the hordes of French troopers still fighting on the Central Powers' side. Occasionally, whole squadrons of Iron Lions went missing, crew and all, only to find the bodies later and to see French-painted Iron Lions coming over a sand dune, blasting away.
As Morrison continued to rise, he became Mardel's right hand, and soon was leading small armies into British Africa. America had entered the fray head-on.
In Europe, fighting under Field Marshal Patton, was a young man named Audie Murphy. Murphy had struggled to enter the army for a year, continually tossed out for poor health. After trying for what seemed like the thousandth time, he was allowed in and shipped north to New York City. In New York, he was stationed with the 1st Brooklyn, a unit that was famous for losing 90% of its men in the War for Succession. The Boys of Brooklyn were shipped with Patton and thousands of others in mid-1943 to participate in the liberation of Ireland. After a bloody landing, Patton's men stormed several nearby villages while under intense fire from British heavy artillery, several miles away. Brooklyn troops suffered huge losses at several British strongholds, but eventually punched through and joined up with other American, French, and Portuguese soldiers, forming the Central Powers Army of South Africa, under Pierre LeRoy, of France, Americans Mardel and Patton, and the Portuguese general Juan Abade. These four men embarked on a mission of destruction in Africa.
Murphy soon found himself transferred to an army under the control of Morrison. The two met and became closer and closer friend until Murphy was his right hand.
In August of 1943, Morrison, with permission from Patton, launched Operation: Soaring Eagles. Aeroplanes dropped Morrison, Murphy, and 500 or so elite Royal Shocktroopers into the areas around Fort Oswald, where they stormed the rocket facility to capture vital information. It went well, and the objective of making it quiet and avoiding having it featured in newspapers and on the radio seemed to have been accomplished. But then, 4000 French Republican grunt troops attacked suddenly and without warning. The Americans heroically fought their way out of the facility, dropping time bombs as they went. Murphy took the initiative and took 100 men and spread them thin to hold back the oncoming French and trap them in the building for an extra two minutes, while Morrison withdrew the rest of the shocktroops. Finally, he bombs went off, killing all inside of the facility. Over 3500 Frenchmen died, and the rest fled for their lives. Murphy took several bullets and was awarded 5 medals for his heroic rearguard action and decisive defeat of the French fascists. Murphy became a major. Morrison was promoted to general. The French public, already distraught at being under occupation, was now reaching full-on rioting. Paris burned after news arrived of the massacre. Britain immediately stopped using French troops as "meatshields" to prevent rebellion, but the French were not satisfied.
Germany could not be more thrilled at watching the Americans slowly strip away Britain's colonial empire. The Dual Monarchy of the Konigen, Ludwig IV and Willhelm III, dreamed of an American-German march on London and India, lashing out at Russia with Demark using Saudi and American supplied oil, and finally a triumphal victory march through Moscow and the shaking of Japanese hands.
Sometimes, though, dreams are not so easily realized, if realized at all...
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British Iron Crusaders burn in the Sahara after an ambush by the French Resistance
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American troops prepare to land on the beaches of the Orange Free State
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A repainted German-made iron horse is piloted by a Orange Free State soldier
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British troops in North Africa stand on the shore after burning a French Royalist town
Turquoise Blue
December 8th, 2011, 04:38 PM
When you get to the present, you can use me, Hunter. Have me as a conservative politician fighting off the radical, eventually doomed socialists. Seriously, make me the Snoop Dogg of politics :cool:
That is all. :rolleyes:
My martyrdom will cement the Socialist Party as one of the main parties of the URAS.
Napoleon53
December 8th, 2011, 05:21 PM
Rest assured, I'll try to use all of you. :D
Rooster, is Hunter a first or last name? (I actually have another online friend named Hunter, interesting)
bolhabela
December 8th, 2011, 09:39 PM
15 medals for one battle for one soldier? It wont happen. It dosent matter if they are Rambo and Chuck Norris combined it just not going to happen. Now if you said 4 medals than it would be belivable. One from the americans, french, germans and portugese.
metastasis_d
December 8th, 2011, 09:54 PM
15 medals for one battle for one soldier? It wont happen. It dosent matter if they are Rambo and Chuck Norris combined it just not going to happen. Now if you said 4 medals than it would be belivable. One from the americans, french, germans and portugese.
I'll agree with the one battle part. I think the IRL Audie Murphy took 4 campaigns to accrue his 30-something medals.
Wikipedia says I'm about right.
Rooster Cogburn
December 8th, 2011, 11:24 PM
John 'greatest actor in the history of the world and who should have been President' Wayne!?!?!?! I'm in such love of this timeline <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 :D
Lets hope he becomes prime minister or leader of the armed forces, and still makes a few movies because he's cool like that :cool:
And my first name is Hunter, yes. :)
Readman
December 9th, 2011, 08:13 PM
So I guess The Duke will really be an actual Duke in this TL :p :D
Napoleon53
December 9th, 2011, 08:39 PM
Weekend! I wanna get up a bunch of new chapters. At least four.
So I guess The Duke will really be an actual Duke in this TL :p :D
Mind reader! :D
@Everyone: Yeah, 15 is too much. I was in a hurry when I wrote that chapter... :o
Napoleon53
December 10th, 2011, 07:46 PM
Edited medal count and added pics! Now to work on the next chapters.
Would anyone be willing to help me out with something? I would like someone to join the main site; if they do, I'll make them an admin. All's you gotta do is help me put these chapters onto the main site once you have the job. It only takes a minute or two to sign up, and posting the chapters is easy, but a little lengthy. If there are any errors that occur, just let me know and I'll fix it.
Turquoise Blue
December 10th, 2011, 07:49 PM
Edited medal count and added pics! Now to work on the next chapters.
Would anyone be willing to help me out with something? I would like someone to join the main site; if they do, I'll make them an admin. All's you gotta do is help me put these chapters onto the main site once you have the job. It only takes a minute or two to sign up, and posting the chapters is easy, but a little lengthy. If there are any errors that occur, just let me know and I'll fix it.
What do you mean by main site?
EDIT: No need. I found it. How can I add it?
Napoleon53
December 10th, 2011, 07:51 PM
What do you mean by main site?
http://americankingseries.webs.com/
:D
It's been around since the beginning of the story, but I never find time to update it.
Turquoise Blue
December 10th, 2011, 07:55 PM
http://americankingseries.webs.com/
:D
It's been around since the beginning of the story, but I never find time to update it.
How can I add things to it?
Napoleon53
December 10th, 2011, 07:57 PM
How can I add things to it?
Click "Sign in or register" on the side bar on the right. Once you join, I can appoint you as an Admin, thus giving you the same powers I have on the site. It actually gets a substantial amount of views, or at least it does when I update. :p Plus, it's necessary to make it "published" to me, where it'll be free of errors and in a tidy format.
Turquoise Blue
December 10th, 2011, 07:58 PM
Click "Sign in or register" on the side bar on the right. Once you join, I can appoint you as an Admin, thus giving you the same powers I have on the site. It actually gets a substantial amount of views, or at least it does when I update. Plus, it's necessary to make it "published" to me, where it'll be free of errors and in a tidy format.
I have joined it. Same name as here.
Napoleon53
December 10th, 2011, 08:00 PM
I have joined it. Same name as here.
Thank you! :D I'll just click the big button and make you an admin. Just take a look at the way the other chapters are laid out, and you'll be fine. Sometimes when you click publish, a chapter or two might move out of order. Don't worry, I'll fix that if it happens. It's usually problem free.
EDIT: There! Welcome aboard, admin!
Turquoise Blue
December 10th, 2011, 08:10 PM
OK, added Part 20. Did I do it right?
Napoleon53
December 10th, 2011, 08:32 PM
OK, added Part 20. Did I do it right?
Great job! :D I'll go ahead and get the pictures up. If you can do the text, I'll greatly appreciate it.
EDIT: Picture is up. #20 is done! When you want, go ahead and press the ol' copy an' paste button and put up more chapters.
Turquoise Blue
December 10th, 2011, 08:51 PM
The Kingdom Strikes Back is up!
Napoleon53
December 10th, 2011, 09:20 PM
The Kingdom Strikes Back is up!
Awesome job! I see you figured out the pictures, too! *two thumbs up* This is a huge help; thanks!
Turquoise Blue
December 10th, 2011, 09:27 PM
Awesome job! I see you figured out the pictures, too! *two thumbs up* This is a huge help; thanks!
Alright. Now make my job harder by making another one!
Napoleon53
December 10th, 2011, 09:30 PM
Alright. Now make my job harder by making another one!
Haha, will do. Next chapter is about the Middle East. :D
CandyDragon
December 11th, 2011, 03:54 AM
Just read the whole thing in a sitting... addicted much? :D
Seriously, great, great, job.
Napoleon53
December 11th, 2011, 04:06 AM
Just read the whole thing in a sitting... addicted much? :D
Seriously, great, great, job.
Wow. One sitting? That's incredible.
Thank you very, very much! :D
metastasis_d
December 11th, 2011, 05:04 AM
Yeah I read in one sitting as well... big mistake because now I have to painstakingly wait for each new update.
Why do I always do this when I find a new TL to read?
Napoleon53
December 11th, 2011, 05:16 AM
Why do I always do this when I find a new TL to read?
I never do, for I am far too lazy. :p
*continues pecking at keyboard*
Napoleon53
December 11th, 2011, 09:07 AM
I'll write American King on Sunday. Here's something to tide you over: http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=223333
:D
Turquoise Blue
December 11th, 2011, 12:26 PM
The War in the Caribbean is up!
Turquoise Blue
December 12th, 2011, 02:00 AM
Britain's War is up!
Napoleon53
December 12th, 2011, 03:09 AM
Thank you, DrTron! :D
And here we go:
CHAPTER XXXIX
Jerusalem, Arabia, and Italy
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Jerusalem soldiers, mostly ethnic Italians, parade into a Jewish district in 1943; the Jerusalem government was always trying to press the Jews to stay "in their place"- the Jews called it a Roman reoccupation of the Holy Land
The Republic of Jerusalem fought for its life. Only its ties to the Holy Roman Empire kept it together and prevented King Saud and his cohorts from marching upon it and claiming every piece of the Holy Land. Thousands of European and Lebanese Catholics poured in to volunteer for the Jerusalem army to fight off the Muslims. Thousands had been dying over Palestine for close to four years. It was time to take the fight to King Saud himself.
Late in night on September 8th, 1943, a squad of Jerusalem special forces launched an attack on Saud's palace. Saud was mowed down in his bedroom and his family eliminated. The special forces fled and were never discovered. They pirated a boat and fled back to Jerusalem, leaving a torn, burning Arabia behind them.
It was not long before Fascist operatives hijacked control of the government. English troops dotted the oil fields, ready to fend off any attack from the now severely weakened Arabs. Turkey held out valiantly. Despite slowly being crushed on all sides, it beat them back many a time. Everyone fought. The women, the children, animals, everyone. Greece and Italy looked away as thousands of dead troopers' dog tags were given to their parents. Benito grew more and more irritated with the failures to beat Turkey as they had in the 20's. He sucked more and more men from occupied France and shipped them to the Turkish Front. He demanded that Turkey and Constantinople be subjugated or annihilated. He greatly missed the old Bosporus Republic headquartered in Constantinople. He still had its old army and they had looted most of the city during the withdrawal, but that was not the point; he wanted Constantinople. And he would not stop until he had it. Furious, at the beginning of '44 he sent most of his army to the Turkish Front, prompting rioting in France. Brutal police measures made the French even angrier. He invited Churchill to move in and crack down while he finished Turkey.
In the early spring, Istanbul fell and Bosporus troops raised the old flag again. Turkey was soon routed, and massacres of their army occurred. At last, in early June, the Turkish Republic surrendered to Benito. The Holy Roman Empire then shifted some of its troops back to France and Italy, where it drove off attempts by the small northern Italian countries to march on Rome.
As Benito stood on his Papal mountain and surveyed all his domain, he thought of greater and greater conquests that awaited him. The Italian Wolf prepared to do battle with the Persian Lion.
Everyone saw the Italian invasion of Persia coming, and America rushed to aid the shah. Thousands of weapons, trainers, planes, and plenty of ammunition poured in to aide to the effort to prepare for Mussolinic aggression. The Italian army crossed into Persia in mid Summer and annihilated the Persian army and government anyway.
Benito had been growing increasingly bloated and was a huge egotist and megalomaniac. This only pushed him farther of the edge off sanity. He started to behave more and more like Caesar. At last, he cracked and decided to change government type. The pope was reduced to a preacher, the Papal Guards were disbanded, and he determined to annihilate the countries of North Italy. During a daringly undermanned raid, he took control of Genoa and spread a wall of troops and tanks between the Kingdom of Sardinia and Venice. By the end of '44, Sardinia fell. In early '45, his troops, "as numerous as the sun's rays," deployed full force into Venice in a joint attack with Tito's Jugoslavijan army. Italy was one, despite massive civil war in the north. Pleased with himself, Benito made a huge decision: he declared he was Grande Cesar of Italia along with being Emperor of the Holy Roman Empire. He started layering more and more titles upon himself until he became:
"Our Most Catholic and Imperial Majesty, By the Grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, L'Imperatore of the Holy Romans, Grande Cesare of the Italians, Duca of Savoy, Monarca of Sardinia, Duca of Venetia, Protettore of the Bosporus and Jerusalem Republics, and Campione of our Liberties."
As soon as the first time he was heralded as this, the other fascists blasted him as a traitor. Churchill said Benito was on the wrong side. Benito regretted having Jerusalem hand over oil-rich Saudi Arabia earlier when Britain cut off their supply of oil to the Empire.
Now deprived of all allies, Benito did not know what to do. His closest ally Jugoslavija ditched him and pulled their support troops out Venice. Tito then formed a closer alliance with Greece and the other Slavic and Balkan countries, including Russia. Finally, Spain attacked and overran his regions in France in August of '45, along with several off-guard African colonies. The American navy had arrived in the Mediterranean Sea and Royal Marines were being spotted on the islands off the boot of Italy. Huettler and Franklin were ready to strike.
On August 28th, 1945, over 1,000,000 American, Spanish, and Portuguese troops invaded Italy by sea. At the spearhead of the attack were Morrison and Murphy. The Italian response was catastrophic. Within two months three-quarters of Italy had fallen, including Northern Italy. The former mini-nations in the north formed NIP, the North Italian Pact, where they essentially followed the German system of government and became states in a larger North Italian country. The soldiers of this new country became known as Nips, a famous nickname that was used more fondly than "dago." As the Americans pounded away bits and pieces of Rome itself with extremely advanced long-range artillery, Benito called for peace.
Early in 1946 Italy began secret meetings with various Central Powers leaders. Eventually, Huettler flew in and met with Benito privately. When he left the room, an alliance with the Empire had been guaranteed.
On the first day of spring, it was time to strike.
Rooster Cogburn
December 12th, 2011, 04:02 AM
I, I don't know what to say. In a single, short update the Americans and allies defeated an Italian Empire not rivaled since the days of Rome. But, an alliance has been signed between the two. I tell ya what, if you make the peace be Italy keep all land held by them before the August, 1945 attack, and in exchange they completely switch sides, I shall forgive you for having them conquered in the first place :D:cool:
Napoleon53
December 12th, 2011, 04:06 AM
They probably will keep everything except Turkey and Persia. Persia will likely be returned to the shah. Most of the Middle East will stay under their control. :D It'll be open season on Arabia.
CandyDragon
December 12th, 2011, 07:39 PM
Amazing update, per usual... Rise and fall of the [Sort of] Roman Empire
Napoleon53
December 12th, 2011, 10:05 PM
Amazing update, per usual... Rise and fall of the [Sort of] Roman Empire
Dannnn-ke. :D
More soon. Perhaps even tonight.
Readman
December 12th, 2011, 11:26 PM
Awesome possum. Question though; Tanks have a different designation in this TL I noticed, what's the colloquial for Airplanes in this? Just curious. Again, awesome work matey :cool::)
Napoleon53
December 13th, 2011, 02:47 AM
Awesome possum. Question though; Tanks have a different designation in this TL I noticed, what's the colloquial for Airplanes in this? Just curious. Again, awesome work matey :cool::)
Awesom possum? I shall have to remember that expression. :D
Aeroplanes, or just planes. They still call them "birds" like in OTL. Not too different. I could call them iron birds or something, but I prefer aeroplane.
Readman
December 13th, 2011, 03:29 AM
If you feel like it maybe you can work it into the TL :D LoL. Right on though. Keep 'er comin.
metastasis_d
December 13th, 2011, 10:25 AM
Maybe "Aeroplane" as a generic term, and "Iron bird" as the colloquial term for warplanes?
It just sounds so cool! Even if they'll probably be aluminum/canvas skinned.
Rooster Cogburn
December 13th, 2011, 09:02 PM
Where is Eisenhower in all this? Also, lets here from Rommel and Guderian :D
Napoleon53
December 13th, 2011, 09:04 PM
Where is Eisenhower in all this? Also, lets here from Rommel and Guderian :D
Rommel's coming up! I was going to put him in anyway.
I think I mentioned Eisenhower. Oh, well, I thought I did... I'll put him in somewhere. Patton is more like the Eisenhower figure ITTL. :D
@MD: I could always have the British call them iron birds. Adds flavor.
@Readman: And Patton rushed into the tent, firmly declaring "I have the most awesome possum battle strategy you've ever seen!" :p
Readman
December 14th, 2011, 12:34 AM
Ha! LOL! :D Well I think that's going as the new Sig. :)
Napoleon53
December 14th, 2011, 01:20 AM
Huzzah! I've never been sigged before. :D
Rooster Cogburn
December 14th, 2011, 02:18 AM
Huzzah! I've never been sigged before. :D
And just think, when people read it they'll think its about OTL Patton. HAHA, the fools! :D:p
Napoleon53
December 16th, 2011, 09:44 PM
Sorry, guys; comp has massive virus and it is at the repair shop. I'll update as soon as I can. I'm typing this on my PS3 and it is a pain in the butt..
wietze
December 16th, 2011, 10:29 PM
good luck with that. hope you didn't lose too much data.
Napoleon53
December 23rd, 2011, 06:41 PM
I'm sooooo sorry, guys... :( My computer is in shambles according to the Comp Repair Shop and they keep saying I'll get it tomorrow and I don't. Now they say it won't be ready till next freaking week. I'd like to go punch out their lights, as I don't even trust them now, but I'll just have to wait.
Rooster Cogburn
December 23rd, 2011, 11:58 PM
I'm sooooo sorry, guys... :( My computer is in shambles according to the Comp Repair Shop and they keep saying I'll get it tomorrow and I don't. Now they say it won't be ready till next freaking week. I'd like to go punch out their lights, as I don't even trust them now, but I'll just have to wait.
Well, I suppooooooooose...........under the circumstances........I coooooooould.......forgive you :rolleyes: Now, where's my humanitarian award!?!?!?!?!?1 :mad:
Rooster Cogburn
December 25th, 2011, 01:42 AM
Merry Christmas everybody!!! :D
Napoleon53
December 25th, 2011, 02:00 AM
Merry Christmas everybody!!! :D
And a Happy New Year! Sadly, I still won't have my comp back until mid-week.
Napoleon53
December 28th, 2011, 07:30 PM
Guess who just got their computer back? :D
pnyckqx
December 28th, 2011, 08:01 PM
Sorry, guys; comp has massive virus and it is at the repair shop. I'll update as soon as I can. I'm typing this on my PS3 and it is a pain in the butt..Get yourself a good Live Linux CD/DVD --i recommend Knoppix-- and continue to march. It's pretty good for diagnosing Windows problems too.
Been running Microsoft free on this computer for five years. i don't even have any anti virus software, and the learning curve was about the same as it was when i first dealt with Windows.
Get yourself a cheap older PC, install Linux on it, and use it for when you have problems with the Windows Computer. This way you can copy files to it from your infected computer, and keep on going.
BTW, i have nothing in particular against Microsoft, and enjoy my Windows 7 laptop.
Rooster Cogburn
December 28th, 2011, 09:38 PM
Guess who just got their computer back? :D
Oh god, I'm terrible at guessing. Uhhh...........I wanna say Bill Murray? :o
Turquoise Blue
December 28th, 2011, 10:20 PM
Apologises for slacking off. I'll start on Part 22 now.
Rooster Cogburn
December 29th, 2011, 11:59 PM
So now that you're back, what are Ronald Reagan, Barry Goldwater, Dean Martin, Frank Sinatra, Clint Eastwood, and Groucho Marx currently up to in TTL? :rolleyes:
Napoleon53
January 1st, 2012, 08:15 PM
Soooorryy. Yeah, my computer needed some programs and other junk added.
Writing new chapter... NOW! :D
If everyone could give me their character again, I'd appreciate it.
Turquoise Blue
January 1st, 2012, 09:57 PM
Soooorryy. Yeah, my computer needed some programs and other junk added.
Writing new chapter... NOW! :D
If everyone could give me their character again, I'd appreciate it.
Gwendolen Harris, Welsh-American Socialist Prime Minister.
Tsao
January 1st, 2012, 10:20 PM
Qin Shengju, my grandfather, was in the Chinese military at this point in your TL. He was from Sichuan, so you can have some fun with that.....
Also, my maternal grandfather, Cao Fengdi, was a clerk in Harbin in the 1930s and 40s, and was a fervent nationalist and quite anti-Japanese.
Lastly, if your TL gets so far, my great-uncle Gao Ping was the Chinese ambassador to Senegal sometime in the late 1970s.
Rooster Cogburn
January 1st, 2012, 10:51 PM
My great great uncle Michael DeRensis, Italian military during Ethiopia, Albania, and WW2. And me, Hunter, the snoop dog of conservative politicians :cool: And if you could give my older brother Michael (born 1983) an acting gig in the TL, that would be just so awesome, and really make up for me not getting him a Christmas gift :rolleyes:
metastasis_d
January 2nd, 2012, 12:50 AM
Soooorryy. Yeah, my computer needed some programs and other junk added.
Writing new chapter... NOW! :D
If everyone could give me their character again, I'd appreciate it.
Nicholas Young. Anything gun-related. I believe DrTron wanted me to assassinate her.
Tsao
January 2nd, 2012, 01:05 AM
Thinking back, I guess all the people I mentioned would be butterflied away, but I hope that you'll be lenient and include them anyways.
Napoleon53
January 2nd, 2012, 02:45 AM
Okee-doke, guys; thanks a lot! :D
I'm having to review the TL right now. I've been gone for soooo long that I know they'll be mistakes unless I'm careful. :p Fear not! My computer has all necessary programs now and I shan't be going anywhere, chaps and chappetes. I still might be able to get up a new chapter tonight. If not, I'll likely finish it tomorrow on my lunchbreak. Tomorrow my new model ship arrives, so that might influence me to write a naval-centric chapter about the Great War... Aerocraft carriers, anyone?
Napoleon53
January 3rd, 2012, 01:45 AM
I'm taking my computer back to the repair shop and demanding they give me my money back. Bunch of thieves; my comp messed up again and won't even start. :mad:
Another postponement. Don't worry; I think I'll be able to borrow my mother's computer. It might be puny and make me have spelling errors, but it's better than nothing. :rolleyes:
Rooster Cogburn
January 3rd, 2012, 02:59 AM
I'm taking my computer back to the repair shop and demanding they give me my money back. Bunch of thieves; my comp messed up again and won't even start. :mad:
Find out their names, and make them terrorists in the timeline who are shot for treason against the crown! :mad: Just a thought :rolleyes:
Napoleon53
January 9th, 2012, 01:24 AM
Find out their names, and make them terrorists in the timeline who are shot for treason against the crown! :mad: Just a thought :rolleyes:
Hahahahaha! :D That's hilarious.
My opinion of them has improved, since they didn't charge this second time. My comp is officially 100% fine now.
And I'm back! After this, I'm going to take a break from this TL to let new ides soak in for more. Have no fear, I shall work on another TL.
CHAPTER XL
Churchill Feels the Pressure
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/57/Wc0107-04780r.jpg
Churchill dons a helmet in his bunker as American ships barrage London from their position on the Thames
On the first day of the spring of '44, the URAS began it's mission to destroy the British navy. The American navy was determined to annihilate the British attempt to go back to dominating the sea. Huge battles raged for weeks as hundreds of ships were sent to the bottom of the Atlantic Ocean.
Italy had firmly changed sides and was now fighting with the French and Spanish to take back France. As the Central Powers pushed back Britain, the English public began to wonder about the competency of the fascist government. Monarchist saboteurs were already spreading discontent in Scotland and Wales, and in France rumors spread of Antoine returning to the throne.
On June 1st, the British Baltic Sea Submarine Group came in from the north and shattered the blockade. In France, the Low Countries were holding out, causing huge casualties for the Italians and Spanish. The Portuguese army was virtually destroyed, but its navy fought on, actually winning in several key battles. Nevertheless, the tide had turned once again. Huettler was furious. He found himself forced to withdraw most of the navy as the Dutch rolled out their new SD-12 submarines, paralyzing Central Powers shipping.
Sweden was too engaged with the Russians to do much to break up the blockade, and soon found themselves simply trying to hold onto their captured territory.
I'll finish this later. I'm having writer's block. :( I've gotten rusty thanks to these *censored censored censored* computer problems...
Rooster Cogburn
January 9th, 2012, 02:37 AM
Churchill dons a helmet in his bunker as American ships barrage London from their position on the Thames
Strange? I assumed that in this timeline Churchill would often be at the front lines standing on top of a tank, and flipping off the enemy with his left hand while simultaneously shooting a machine gun into the air with his right hand screaming "Fight you on the beaches? Boy, I'll beat you down right now! Come at me bro!"
You know, like he did in OTL after he b**** slapped Hitler for having a stupid mustache. You can obviously tell that I've studied the intricate moments of World War II history with great interest :D:rolleyes:
metastasis_d
January 9th, 2012, 02:44 AM
Can you re-iterate the sides in this conflict? It's been a while.
Rooster Cogburn
January 14th, 2012, 04:29 PM
At some point, can you have John Wayne give a slightly revised version of the President's speech from Independence Day? :D That would just be like the most epic thing of all time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUdB8gCMcXI&list=FL4BFtRShOAcH2qq64QPnViw&index=2&feature=plpp_video
metastasis_d
January 14th, 2012, 05:26 PM
At some point, can you have John Wayne give a slightly revised version of the President's speech from Independence Day? :D That would just be like the most epic thing of all time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUdB8gCMcXI&list=FL4BFtRShOAcH2qq64QPnViw&index=2&feature=plpp_video
Except make it something like this (http://cracked.tumblr.com/post/3352677790/if-the-independence-day-speech-had-a-heckler)...:p:D
Rooster Cogburn
January 14th, 2012, 06:13 PM
Except make it something like this (http://cracked.tumblr.com/post/3352677790/if-the-independence-day-speech-had-a-heckler)...:p:D
Nah, I think the other one is much more inspiring :D Plus, if that guy was there with John Wayne giving the speech, he wouldn't live very long :cool:
Rooster Cogburn
January 18th, 2012, 02:50 AM
Newest demand. At some point, an American monarch has to give this speech from The Great Dictator: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0fQkYXHAK0&feature=related
Rooster Cogburn
January 19th, 2012, 12:39 AM
I couldn't think of a better place to have this Churchill photo: http://iconicphotos.wordpress.com/2010/04/02/churchill-and-tommy-gun/
metastasis_d
January 19th, 2012, 01:25 AM
I couldn't think of a better place to have this Churchill photo: http://iconicphotos.wordpress.com/2010/04/02/churchill-and-tommy-gun/
That is awesome in so many ways it almost gave me an aneurysm.
Napoleon53
February 2nd, 2012, 03:01 PM
I actually have that photo saved for when I was going to use it; great minds think alike, I suppose. ;)
Newest demand. At some point, an American monarch has to give this speech from The Great Dictator: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0fQkYXHAK0&feature=related
Ah, the NWO Chaplin speech? Little too socialistic for a King of the House of Jackson. :D
Guys, I'd like to shamelessly advertise my new Timeline: http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=229855
Jules Verne technology, Barbershop Quartet being the rebellious music of the 50's, and huge ZEPPELINS. :D I'd appreciate any comments. And don't worry, American King will be continued at some point. :)
metastasis_d
February 2nd, 2012, 04:29 PM
I'll check it out when I get home; I'm waiting for a class to start and on my phone.
Napoleon53
February 2nd, 2012, 10:24 PM
I'll check it out when I get home; I'm waiting for a class to start and on my phone.
Hope you enjoy reading it! :D
Well, guys, this thread is about to get 30,000 views. I gotta thank you all for following along and helping me on this, my first real TL. :)
edvader
February 3rd, 2012, 02:54 PM
Napolleon 53.Vive L'Empereur.Terrific thread.Bon chance!:D
Napoleon53
February 3rd, 2012, 02:59 PM
Merci! :D
This thread is the biggest thing I've ever written and my favorite story I've ever worked on, and I've worked on about a dozen on other sites, so it's nice to get new comments. :)
metastasis_d
February 3rd, 2012, 03:00 PM
Merci! :D
This thread is the biggest thing I've ever written and my favorite story I've ever worked on, and I've worked on about a dozen on other sites, so it's nice to get new comments. :)
So nice that you'll update today? ;)
Napoleon53
February 3rd, 2012, 03:07 PM
So nice that you'll update today? ;)
Hahahaha. Lol. I dunno about that, mate, but I have been actually working on... a sequel written in novel form to be released in the future. That's right: American King the II. I already have the plot premise and everything.
:)
Rooster Cogburn
February 4th, 2012, 04:55 AM
That's right: American King the II. I already have the plot premise and everything.
What exactly does that entail? A continuation of the timeline, or a rewrite of the timeline?
Napoleon53
February 4th, 2012, 05:30 AM
What exactly does that entail? A continuation of the timeline, or a rewrite of the timeline?
Continuation. :D But it's in the form of people in the future looking back on what has happened. It'll shock you what I have planned. :rolleyes:
Rooster Cogburn
February 4th, 2012, 02:54 PM
Continuation. :D But it's in the form of people in the future looking back on what has happened. It'll shock you what I have planned. :rolleyes:
When you say future, do you mean our present day, or our future? And is it told by fictional characters, or historical characters? I'm trying to squeeze as much information as I can :D
Turquoise Blue
February 4th, 2012, 02:55 PM
Continuation. :D But it's in the form of people in the future looking back on what has happened. It'll shock you what I have planned. :rolleyes:
Do you still have me in your Grand Plan?
Napoleon53
February 4th, 2012, 10:06 PM
When you say future, do you mean our present day, or our future? And is it told by fictional characters, or historical characters? I'm trying to squeeze as much information as I can :D
Now. But alternate. 2012 in the American King alt-universe. It has some real people in it, though, like Sarkozy and Rick Santorum.
Do you still have me in your Grand Plan?
Your character? Sure, I'll work in everybody's character. :D
metastasis_d
February 4th, 2012, 10:47 PM
Now. But alternate. 2012 in the American King alt-universe. It has some real people in it, though, like Sarkozy and Rick Santorum.
Your character? Sure, I'll work in everybody's character. :D
I can't wait to see what sort of gritty end you have for that doucher.
Napoleon53
February 5th, 2012, 04:06 AM
Sarkozy? I concur. :D
Santorum won't be American. Manfred Santorum, Chancellor of Austria and Feldmarschall Arnold von Schwarzenegger.
:eek:
Rooster Cogburn
February 5th, 2012, 04:18 AM
Sarkozy? I concur. :D
Santorum won't be American. Manfred Santorum, Chancellor of Austria and Feldmarschall Arnold von Schwarzenegger.
:eek:
I HATE that Socialist Sarkozy. Really rip him a new one. And considering I'm from Pennsylvania and my sister is in freaking love with him, come on man, be nice to Santorum :rolleyes:
metastasis_d
February 5th, 2012, 06:38 AM
I HATE that Socialist Sarkozy. Really rip him a new one. And considering I'm from Pennsylvania and my sister is in freaking love with him, come on man, be nice to Santorum :rolleyes:
Your sister actually likes Santorum? Fucking why?
Try to be frank, as I don't want to get too political; feel free to PM me about it. I've always wanted to meet one of his supporters... I kind of thought maybe the only people voting for him were people who wanted the urban dictionary definition to go mainstream.
Napoleon53
February 5th, 2012, 08:27 AM
I'm a GOP, but that's pretty funny, as Romney is the only "handsome," and I'm saying that in quotes 'cause I'm a man, (:p) candidate, and Santorum's nose looks like it was smashed by a bowling ball. :D
Rooster Cogburn
February 8th, 2012, 03:01 AM
I'm a GOP, but that's pretty funny, as Romney is the only "handsome," and I'm saying that in quotes 'cause I'm a man, (:p) candidate
Don't worry, I think we all secretly fantasize about Romney's hair ;):rolleyes::p
Napoleon53
February 8th, 2012, 03:29 AM
Don't worry, I think we all secretly fantasize about Romney's hair ;):rolleyes::p
Oh, you. :p
Working on a new section of BB&B right now. I'm not gonna start writing AK 2 immediately, but expect it before the summer. :)
Napoleon53
February 14th, 2012, 05:01 AM
Great news, guys! I've got some inspiration! :D I've been working on a revised and better American King. I'm going to go a dystopian route, where the little states break down like Europe and "allegorize" the countries and regions of the French Revolutionary, and Napoleonic, Wars. Jackson won't start out King of all He Surveys, but rather King of the Northern-ish Areas above the Mason-Dixon Line. Expect to see a lot more Thomas Paine, "The Incorruptible" *coughRobespierrecough* and "So legislators, let Horror be the order of the day!" Aaron Burr, and lots of executions. U eckzited? :p
Readman
February 14th, 2012, 05:06 AM
Coool. Most Awesome. If you think there is any way I could get in there somewhere that would be kewl. PM me if ya want if you need and details or want to hash out any idea you may have :D
metastasis_d
February 14th, 2012, 05:21 AM
You know I'm on board. Let me know if there is anything I can do to help.
Napoleon53
February 14th, 2012, 03:14 PM
Thanks guys!
Coool. Most Awesome. If you think there is any way I could get in there somewhere that would be kewl. PM me if ya want if you need and details or want to hash out any idea you may have :D
Sure! Feel free to gimme your character. If you want, you can give me a Revolutionary/Napoleonic figure you want it based on, like, say, "Bob wants his character, George Smith, to be the Villenueve or Junot of this TL." Etc. :D
You know I'm on board. Let me know if there is anything I can do to help.
Feel free to dig me up some good historical figures from 1789-1820 and post them along with whether they're Federalist or what. That'd be a huge help. :)
And... Prepare for the Lone Star Kingdom, pardners. :D Yet another bit I wanted to work into the first AK, but was unable to.
metastasis_d
February 14th, 2012, 03:59 PM
And... Prepare for the Lone Star Kingdom, pardners. :D Yet another bit I wanted to work into the first AK, but was unable to.
Shut up and take my money!
Sam Houston
Moses and Steven Austin
Mirabeau Lamar
James Fannin
Just to name some obvious ones. William B. Travis and David Crockett, for military, of course :D
Napoleon53
February 14th, 2012, 08:15 PM
Awesome! Thanks!
Lamar will have to have a change of first and middle names, since his full name is Mirabeau Buonaparte Lamar. :D
Crockett was from East Tennessee, so instead, perhaps one of Jackson's marshals? Or perhaps King David?! :p
Moses Austin. I can see that really working. Definitely gonna use all of these.
Napoleon53
February 16th, 2012, 04:36 AM
http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=231767
Thar she blows! :D It's long already, so it gives you something new to read. And by new, I mean new. It's radically different than the start of this American King version. :)
metastasis_d
February 16th, 2012, 05:38 AM
Does that mean this thread is now defunct?
Napoleon53
February 16th, 2012, 05:41 AM
Does that mean this thread is now defunct?
I guess you could say that. Kind of hate to, though. Fun ride and my first real TL. It'll probably get around 35,000 views. Wow. Thanks, you guys! The old King is dead. Long live the King! :D
metastasis_d
February 16th, 2012, 05:43 AM
I guess you could say that. Kind of hate to, though. Fun ride and my first real TL. 35,000 views. Wow. Thanks, you guys! The old King is dead. Long live the King! :D
Well it's been a good run but I'll see you in the new thread.
Rooster Cogburn
February 16th, 2012, 07:42 PM
Permanently dead, or temporarily out of service?
metastasis_d
February 16th, 2012, 07:48 PM
Permanently dead, or temporarily out of service?
Reincarnated?
Libertad
April 13th, 2012, 03:15 PM
I'm having some problems recognizing your POD as good enough.
1. Did George Washington really went to a military parade in New York City in 1786 for him to be shot? He has been in Virginia the whole time before the Philadelphia Convention for all I know.
2. Why is Benjamin Franklin in GW's burial when he is in France? He returned to attend his funeral? But that doesn't matter. Answer question no. 1 first.
3. Why will there be a 1787 Philadelphia Convention if there is no James Madison around to even do the 1786 Annapolis Convention with Alexander Hamilton? We're talking of massive butterflies RIGHT AWAY HERE.
4. If the Constitution was rejected in the Great Convention, why will Adams became President of the United States? How did he got elected? He was chosen by Massachusetts to represent them again in the Confederation Congress? He resigned his position as Minister to England? And if such a Convention failed to produce, it's like... "Ok, it's fine. Let's just have this discredited super failure of a document to govern us."? :confused:
5. How did Benjamin Franklin die before the Convention?
6. Without George Washington and James Madison, A LOT OF THINGS WILL HAPPEN. And it WILL NOT INCLUDE a Constitutional Convention IN PHILADELPHIA IN 1787 WITH THOMAS JEFFERSON IN IT! How did Jefferson ended up in the Convention?
7. Did the Annapolis Convention EVEN happened as it is just with no Madison around?
8. The Shay's Rebellion? What happened to it? Did it still happen at August 21, 1786; 11 days after this supposed assassination?
THE POD IS FLAWED. GREAT DECISION. RESTART THIS ONE.
AND LOOK FOR A BETTER POD. THIS ONE IS NOT THAT GOOD ENOUGH FOR ME. PLEASE FIND ANOTHER ONE.
I'M SORRY. :(
EDIT: But some of your ideas in this TL is really interesting for me, who is creating my own America TL. I really like them. That's what I can give you credit for. (APPROVE!!)
Rooster Cogburn
May 1st, 2012, 09:25 PM
I'm having some problems recognizing your POD as good enough.
I don't know if you noticed, but this is a STORY. A fun thing to read in your freetime. Its not a possible history book revolving around immediate facts and what probably would have happened. Its well written, funny, and enjoyable ASB, which it was meant to be. Not to mention this timeline has been dead for months; we're well into American King Part 2. If you really wanted Napoleon53 to see your 'suggestions,' I say you message him or post on the new timeline. Because I doubt he'll see it here. But I really don't see a point to any of this.
Libertad
May 3rd, 2012, 11:59 AM
I don't know if you noticed, but this is a STORY. A fun thing to read in your freetime. Its not a possible history book revolving around immediate facts and what probably would have happened. Its well written, funny, and enjoyable ASB, which it was meant to be. Not to mention this timeline has been dead for months; we're well into American King Part 2. If you really wanted Napoleon53 to see your 'suggestions,' I say you message him or post on the new timeline. Because I doubt he'll see it here. But I really don't see a point to any of this.
Yeah. I know. That's why I'm asking the questions (not making "suggestions") because it is not in the ASB section. But I guess, it's not that important of a case anymore. And yeah, I already saw and reading and commenting on the part 2, thank you. And it's really enjoyable. I don't mind complaining on his work anymore. It reminds me a bit of Turtledove books. Hahaha. So it's fine.
And it seems you're more uncomfortable of my "suggestions" than the author itself. And they're not "suggestions". They're questions. So yeah, really uncomfortable with it. You didn't even finished reading my questions did you?
Hahaha. So yeah. My questions out there are moot. They're not important anymore.
Napoleon53
May 3rd, 2012, 03:26 PM
Take it easy, guys, let's not turn upon our nerd brethren. Yea, verily, saith I, that all alternate history fans shalt live in peace, for ever and ever, until the next Star Wars versus Star Trek thread.
:p
On another note: I remind you of Turtledove?! I do have a beard but it's not quite so gross as his. :D
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