List of Fuhrer's

[CaveJohnson]

Alright we have all scene the new president threads and the monarchy"s but what about the leaders of NAZI Germany if they had "Won" by that I mean not invade Russia and establish a powerful Fortress Europe
Adolf Hitler-Fuhrer of the Greater Reich(1933-1952)[1]
[1]Died of an Overdose.

[mrsandman]

Adolf Hitler(1933-1952)[1]
Herman Goering-(1952-1963)[2]
[1]Died of an Overdose.
[2]Under the slightly more pragmatic Goering Germany ends its extermination camps, now "undesirables" are either used as laborers shipped off to other countries.
OOC:Their eliminated the elephant in the room that would have ruined the thread.

[Magnum]

Adolf Hitler(1933-1952)[1]
Herman Goering-(1952-1963)[2]
Martin Bormann-(1963-1964)[3]
[1]Died of an Overdose.
[2]Under the slightly more pragmatic Goering Germany ends its extermination camps, now "undesirables" are either used as laborers shipped off to other countries.
[3] Assassinated a couple of months into his term by ___

[JoeMulk]

Adolf Hitler(1933-1952)[1]
Herman Goering-(1952-1963)[2]
Martin Bormann-(1963-1964)[3]
Hermann Feagelin-(1964-1964) [4]
[1]Died of an Overdose.
[2]Under the slightly more pragmatic Goering Germany ends its extermination camps, now "undesirables" are either used as laborers shipped off to other countries.
[3] Assassinated a couple of months into his term by Gudrun Ensslin.
[4] Interim furher

[thefalcon]

Adolf Hitler(1933-1952)[1]
Herman Goering-(1952-1963)[2]
Martin Bormann-(1963-1964)[3]
Herald Quandt Goebbels-1963-1966(Head of the Nationalist Front)
1966-1988[4]
[1]Died of an Overdose.
[2]Under the slightly more pragmatic Goering Germany ends its extermination camps, now "undesirables" are either used as laborers shipped off to other countries.
[3] Assassinated a couple of months into his term by [REDACTED]
[4]During the German Civil war sparked by the death of furher Bormann several factions vied for power including Nationalist front lead by the adopted son of Joseph Goebbels Herald Quandt, an SS lead front by Herman Himmler grandson of Heinrich Himmler and First Born son of Gudrun Himmler who was killed at the start of the war. In the end the Nationalist front won and began the liberalization of Nazi Germany.

[thefalcon]

Adolf Hitler(1933-1952)[1]
Herman Goering-(1952-1963)[2]
Martin Bormann-(1963-1964)[3]
Hermann Feagelin-(1964-1964) [4]
[1]Died of an Overdose.
[2]Under the slightly more pragmatic Goering Germany ends its extermination camps, now "undesirables" are either used as laborers shipped off to other countries.
[3] Assassinated a couple of months into his term by Gudrun Ensslin.
[4] Interim furher
Danm Ninja"d.

[JoeMulk]

Danm Ninja"d.

it's cool, you can just move your scenario up like a year

[thefalcon]

Cool
Adolf Hitler(1933-1952)[1]
Herman Goering-(1952-1963)[2]
Martin Bormann-(1963-1964)[3]
Herald Quandt Goebbels-1964-1967(Head of the Nationalist Front)
1966-1988[4]
[1]Died of an Overdose.
[2]Under the slightly more pragmatic Goering Germany ends its extermination camps, now "undesirables" are either used as laborers shipped off to other countries.
[3] Assassinated a couple of months into his term by [REDACTED]
[4]During the German Civil war sparked by the death of furher Bormann several factions vied for power including Nationalist front lead by the adopted son of Joseph Goebbels Herald Quandt, an SS lead front by Herman Himmler grandson of Heinrich Himmler and First Born son of Gudrun Himmler who was killed at the start of the war. In the end the Nationalist front won and began the liberalization of Nazi Germany.[/QUOTE]

[Wendell]

Cool
Adolf Hitler(1933-1952)[1]
Herman Goering-(1952-1963)[2]
Martin Bormann-(1963-1964)[3]
Herald Quandt Goebbels-1964-1967(Head of the Nationalist Front) 1966-1988[4]
Horst Mahler (Head of the Imperial People's Front 1988-2008 (Reichsvolksfront/RVF)[5]
[1]Died of an Overdose.
[2]Under the slightly more pragmatic Goering Germany ends its extermination camps, now "undesirables" are either used as laborers shipped off to other countries.
[3] Assassinated a couple of months into his term by [REDACTED]
[4]During the German Civil war sparked by the death of furher Bormann several factions vied for power including Nationalist front lead by the adopted son of Joseph Goebbels Herald Quandt, an SS lead front by Herman Himmler grandson of Heinrich Himmler and First Born son of Gudrun Himmler who was killed at the start of the war. In the end the Nationalist front won and began the liberalization of Nazi Germany.
[5]Opposition grew among former party hardliners and people born after the beginning of Hitler's rule. This combination resulted in a very bloody coup now known as the Paris Putsch because, at the time, its leader led Wehrmacht forces based there.

[The Kiat]

May I nit pick for a moment?

Hitler possibly had Parkenson's Disease, or one of those neurological illnesses. Even if the stress of going down in flames had not aggrevated that and all his other conditions, would he really live to see 1952? Of course, that could explain the OD.


And where is Heydrick? That butcher wouldn't even wait for those above him die of natural causes before taking power.

[mrsandman]

And where is Heydrick? That butcher wouldn't even wait for those above him die of natural causes before taking power.
Operation Anthropoid?

[BWillz]

Adolf Hitler(1933-1952)[1]
Herman Goering-(1952-1963)[2]
Martin Bormann-(1963-1964)[3]
Herald Quandt Goebbels-1964-1967(Head of the Nationalist Front) 1966-1988[4]
Horst Mahler (Head of the Imperial People's Front 1988-2008 (Reichsvolksfront/RVF)[5]
Udo Voiget-(2008-2011)[6]
[1]Died of an Overdose.
[2]Under the slightly more pragmatic Goering Germany ends its extermination camps, now "undesirables" are either used as laborers shipped off to other countries.
[3] Assassinated a couple of months into his term by [REDACTED]
[4]During the German Civil war sparked by the death of furher Bormann several factions vied for power including Nationalist front lead by the adopted son of Joseph Goebbels Herald Quandt, an SS lead front by Herman Himmler grandson of Heinrich Himmler and First Born son of Gudrun Himmler who was killed at the start of the war. In the end the Nationalist front won and began the liberalization of Nazi Germany.
[5]Opposition grew among former party hardliners and people born after the beginning of Hitler's rule. This combination resulted in a very bloody coup now known as the Hitlersdorp Putsch because, at the time, its leader led Wehrmacht forces based there, in an area once known as the Crimea.
[6]Assasinated by a communist sympathizer.
OOC: I know he was born post POD and having friends of Horst follow a similar path he did is a bit ASB but then again that"s common in these games.
Also what"s the situation right now? A three way cold war?

[The Kiat]

Operation Anthropoid?

No invasion of the Soviet Union, and guy still gets whacked by the British?

[Wendell]

I missed how the victory happened. I would have sworn that was ot in there before. Guess I thould change Mahler's command. It's Paris Putsch now.

[mrsandman]

No invasion of the Soviet Union, and guy still gets whacked by the British?Other than just Butterflys I see no reason why it shouldn"t work.

[Bored Accountant]

Adolf Hitler(1933-1952)[1]
Herman Goering-(1952-1963)[2]
Martin Bormann-(1963-1964)[3]
Herald Quandt Goebbels-1964-1967(Head of the Nationalist Front) 1966-1988[4]
Horst Mahler (Head of the Imperial People's Front 1988-2008 (Reichsvolksfront/RVF)[5]
Udo Voiget-(2008-2011)[6]
Angela Merkel (Head of the Democratic Reform Party, a combination of all non-Nazi/nationalist parties) 2011-2027

[mrsandman]

Adolf Hitler(1933-1952)[1]
Herman Goering-(1952-1963)[2]
Martin Bormann-(1963-1964)[3]
Herald Quandt Goebbels-1964-1967(Head of the Nationalist Front) 1966-1988[4]
Horst Mahler (Head of the Imperial People's Front 1988-2008 (Reichsvolksfront/RVF)[5]
Udo Voiget-(2008-2011)[6]
Angela Merkel (Head of the Democratic Reform Party, a combination of all non-Nazi/nationalist parties) 2011-2027
First off, why didn"t you include the Add ons.
And how the hell does one man hold office for 66 years.

[Meadow]

1933: Adolf Hitler (NSDAP)
1948: Wilhelm Frick (NSDAP) [1]

[1] After Hitler's sudden death was successfully kept from the interested parties for a crucial 18 hours by Martin Bormann, the SS were outmanoeuvred and Himmler executed. Bormann himself was arrested by the Army and Goebbels and Goering sent agents to kill each other, both of whom succeeded. Out of this power vacuum emerged the humble but brutish Minister of the Interior Wilhelm Frick, who, with the support of the Reich Civil Service and of 'moderate' Nazi Albert Speer, was able to calm the situation and take control.

[Rooster Cogburn]

If the Nazis didn't invade the Soviet Union in 1941, wouldn't the Soviets have invaded Germany in 1942? Whatever happens, one of them is going to invade the other within the 40s.

[Bored Accountant]

1933: Adolf Hitler (NSDAP)
1948: Wilhelm Frick (NSDAP) [1]
1951: Erwin Rommel (Non-Partisan) [2]

[1] After Hitler's sudden death was successfully kept from the interested parties for a crucial 18 hours by Martin Bormann, the SS were outmanoeuvred and Himmler executed. Bormann himself was arrested by the Army and Goebbels and Goering sent agents to kill each other, both of whom succeeded. Out of this power vacuum emerged the humble but brutish Minister of the Interior Wilhelm Frick, who, with the support of the Reich Civil Service and of 'moderate' Nazi Albert Speer, was able to calm the situation and take control.
[2] Frick dies in office in 1951, he is succeedeed by a military junta led by Erwin Rommel who begins reforms and also subvert the Nazi Party

[Mr. Magi]

1933: Adolf Hitler (NSDAP)
1948: Wilhelm Frick (NSDAP) [1]
1951: Erwin Rommel (Non-Partisan) [2]
1963: Reinhard Heydrich (Neo-NSDAP) [3]

[1] After Hitler's sudden death was successfully kept from the interested parties for a crucial 18 hours by Martin Bormann, the SS were outmanoeuvred and Himmler executed. Bormann himself was arrested by the Army and Goebbels and Goering sent agents to kill each other, both of whom succeeded. Out of this power vacuum emerged the humble but brutish Minister of the Interior Wilhelm Frick, who, with the support of the Reich Civil Service and of 'moderate' Nazi Albert Speer, was able to calm the situation and take control.
[2] Frick dies in office in 1951, he is succeeded by a military junta led by Erwin Rommel who begins reforms and also subvert the Nazi Party
[3] Heydrich survived the NSDAP's dissolution and leads a violent and bloody coup that topples the military junta by offing most of the higher level officers and taking advantage of the chaos by seizing the government.

[Meadow]

1933: Adolf Hitler (NSDAP)
1948: Wilhelm Frick (NSDAP) [1]
1951: Erwin Rommel (Non-Partisan) [2]
1963: Reinhard Heydrich (Neo-NSDAP) [3]
1986: Adolf Ackermann (Neo-NSDAP) [4]


[1] After Hitler's sudden death was successfully kept from the interested parties for a crucial 18 hours by Martin Bormann, the SS were outmanoeuvred and Himmler executed. Bormann himself was arrested by the Army and Goebbels and Goering sent agents to kill each other, both of whom succeeded. Out of this power vacuum emerged the humble but brutish Minister of the Interior Wilhelm Frick, who, with the support of the Reich Civil Service and of 'moderate' Nazi Albert Speer, was able to calm the situation and take control.
[2] Frick dies in office in 1951, he is succeeded by a military junta led by Erwin Rommel who begins reforms and also subvert the Nazi Party
[3] Heydrich survived the NSDAP's dissolution and leads a violent and bloody coup that topples the military junta by offing most of the higher level officers and taking advantage of the chaos by seizing the government.
[4] Heydrich's chosen successor took power without fuss after Heydrich's death. He was the first Führer to have been born in the Third Reich (in his case, Prussia in 1935). Fictional.

[PiratePartyist]

1933: Adolf Hitler (NSDAP)
1948: Wilhelm Frick (NSDAP) [1]
1951: Erwin Rommel (Non-Partisan) [2]
1963: Reinhard Heydrich (Neo-NSDAP) [3]
1986: Adolf Ackermann (Neo-NSDAP) [4]
2019: Gesine Lötzsch (KPD)


The Nazis were overthrown in a putsch, much like it was in Egypt and tunisia.

[Meadow]

1933: Adolf Hitler (NSDAP)
1935: Ernst Röhm (SDAP) [1]

[1] After the failure of the Night of the Long Knives, the German Civil War broke out and the more leftist wing of the Nazi Party was victorious. Hitler was executed and many of his allies purged from the party by the new ruling clique of the Party (the National having been dropped from its name) of the Strassers, Goebbels (who jumped ship when he realised where his true sympathies lay) and Röhm. The new Führer promised 'permanent revolution' and began a harsh crackdown on dissidence from the left and right.

[Mr. Magi]

1933: Adolf Hitler (NSDAP)
1935: Ernst Röhm (SDAP) [1]
1939: Karl Donitz (DVNP) [2]

[1] After the failure of the Night of the Long Knives, the German Civil War broke out and the more leftist wing of the Nazi Party was victorious. Hitler was executed and many of his allies purged from the party by the new ruling clique of the Party (the National having been dropped from its name) of the Strassers, Goebbels (who jumped ship when he realised where his true sympathies lay) and Röhm. The new Führer promised 'permanent revolution' and began a harsh crackdown on dissidence from the left and right.
[2] The military never did quite give up the fight and defeated Rohm's SA. Karl Donitz was placed as a figurehead, and a council of generals (later on witha few civilians, mainly industrialists) formed the Staatsrat, or State Council. The Strasser brothers and Goebbels would flee the country, managing to escape the chaos.

[Mr. Magi]

Let's bump this thread with another (likely improbable) list.

1933: Adolf Hitler (NSDAP)
1935: Ernst Röhm (SDAP) [1]
1939: Karl Donitz (DVNP) [2]

[1] After the failure of the Night of the Long Knives, the German Civil War broke out and the more leftist wing of the Nazi Party was victorious. Hitler was executed and many of his allies purged from the party by the new ruling clique of the Party (the National having been dropped from its name) of the Strassers, Goebbels (who jumped ship when he realized where his true sympathies lay) and Röhm. The new Führer promised 'permanent revolution' and began a harsh crackdown on dissidence from the left and right.
[2] The military never did quite give up the fight and defeated Rohm's SA. Karl Donitz was placed as a figurehead, and a council of generals (later on witha few civilians, mainly industrialists) formed the Staatsrat, or State Council. The Strasser brothers and Goebbels would flee the country, managing to escape the chaos.



1932: Gregor Strasser (NSDAP) [1]

[1] Strasser and his northern faction came out victorious over Hitler's southern faction in 1926. He wins the 1932 election by a small margin.

[Nekronion]

1932: Gregor Strasser (NSDAP) [1]
1939: Otto Strasser (SNDAP) [2]

[1] Strasser and his northern faction came out victorious over Hitler's southern faction in 1926. He wins the 1932 election by a small margin.
[2] After Strasser is assasinated by a lone gunman, his more left- wing brother takes over, and reforms the NSDAP into a National-Bolshevik party.

[Mr. Magi]

1933: Adolf Hitler (NSDAP)
1935: Ernst Röhm (SDAP) [1]
1939: Karl Donitz (DVNP) [2]

[1] After the failure of the Night of the Long Knives, the German Civil War broke out and the more leftist wing of the Nazi Party was victorious. Hitler was executed and many of his allies purged from the party by the new ruling clique of the Party (the National having been dropped from its name) of the Strassers, Goebbels (who jumped ship when he realized where his true sympathies lay) and Röhm. The new Führer promised 'permanent revolution' and began a harsh crackdown on dissidence from the left and right.
[2] The military never did quite give up the fight and defeated Rohm's SA. Karl Donitz was placed as a figurehead, and a council of generals (later on witha few civilians, mainly industrialists) formed the Staatsrat, or State Council. The Strasser brothers and Goebbels would flee the country, managing to escape the chaos.



1932: Gregor Strasser (NSDAP) [1]
1939: Otto Strasser (SNDAP) [2]
1974: Adolf von Thadden (SNDAP) [3]

[1] Strasser and his northern faction came out victorious over Hitler's southern faction in 1926. He wins the 1932 election by a small margin.
[2] After Strasser is assassinated by a lone gunman, his more left- wing brother takes over, and reforms the NSDAP into a National-Bolshevik party.
[3] Ascended to power with little fuss.

[Meadow]

1933: Adolf Hitler (NSDAP)
1935: Ernst Röhm (SDAP) [1]
1939: Karl Donitz (DVNP) [2]
1942: Carl Goerdeler (DVNP) [3]

[1] After the failure of the Night of the Long Knives, the German Civil War broke out and the more leftist wing of the Nazi Party was victorious. Hitler was executed and many of his allies purged from the party by the new ruling clique of the Party (the National having been dropped from its name) of the Strassers, Goebbels (who jumped ship when he realized where his true sympathies lay) and Röhm. The new Führer promised 'permanent revolution' and began a harsh crackdown on dissidence from the left and right.
[2] The military never did quite give up the fight and defeated Rohm's SA. Karl Donitz was placed as a figurehead, and a council of generals (later on witha few civilians, mainly industrialists) formed the Staatsrat, or State Council. The Strasser brothers and Goebbels would flee the country, managing to escape the chaos.
[3] One of the conditions of the Armistice of Bonn was that the German military government resign and appoint a civilian replacement. With the Soviets advancing by the hour, however, the British and French were not fussy about who their new allies chose. Thus, the able blue-blooded technocrat Goerdeler took control, although Donitz, Raeder and Beck remained highly influential.



1932: Gregor Strasser (NSDAP) [1]
1939: Otto Strasser (SNDAP) [2]
1974: Adolf von Thadden (SNDAP) [3]
1980: Erich Honecker (SNDAP) [4]

[1] Strasser and his northern faction came out victorious over Hitler's southern faction in 1926. He wins the 1932 election by a small margin.
[2] After Strasser is assassinated by a lone gunman, his more left- wing brother takes over, and reforms the NSDAP into a National-Bolshevik party.
[3] Ascended to power with little fuss.
[4] Manoeuvred himself into power after von Thadden's sudden stroke.

[BlairWitch749]

]1933: Adolf Hitler (NSDAP)
1935: Ernst Röhm (SDAP) [1]
1939: Karl Donitz (DVNP) [2]
1942: Carl Goerdeler (DVNP) [3]
1942: Heinz Guderian [4]

[1] After the failure of the Night of the Long Knives, the German Civil War broke out and the more leftist wing of the Nazi Party was victorious. Hitler was executed and many of his allies purged from the party by the new ruling clique of the Party (the National having been dropped from its name) of the Strassers, Goebbels (who jumped ship when he realized where his true sympathies lay) and Röhm. The new Führer promised 'permanent revolution' and began a harsh crackdown on dissidence from the left and right.
[2] The military never did quite give up the fight and defeated Rohm's SA. Karl Donitz was placed as a figurehead, and a council of generals (later on witha few civilians, mainly industrialists) formed the Staatsrat, or State Council. The Strasser brothers and Goebbels would flee the country, managing to escape the chaos.
[3] One of the conditions of the Armistice of Bonn was that the German military government resign and appoint a civilian replacement. With the Soviets advancing by the hour, however, the British and French were not fussy about who their new allies chose. Thus, the able blue-blooded technocrat Goerdeler took control, although Donitz, Raeder and Beck remained highly influential.
[4] Ludwig Beck was appointed to take over the army which spawned a tremendous amount of anger amongst the army's other senior leadership; leading Heinz Guderian to crush the government and install yet another dictatorship

1932: Gregor Strasser (NSDAP) [1]
1939: Otto Strasser (SNDAP) [2]
1974: Adolf von Thadden (SNDAP) [3]
1980: Erich Honecker (SNDAP) [4]

[1] Strasser and his northern faction came out victorious over Hitler's southern faction in 1926. He wins the 1932 election by a small margin.
[2] After Strasser is assassinated by a lone gunman, his more left- wing brother takes over, and reforms the NSDAP into a National-Bolshevik party.
[3] Ascended to power with little fuss.
[4] Manoeuvred himself into power after von Thadden's sudden stroke

[TrickyNixon]

1932: Gregor Strasser (NSDAP) [1]
1939: Otto Strasser (SNDAP) [2]
1974: Adolf von Thadden (SNDAP) [3]
1980: Erich Honecker (SNDAP) [4]
1994: Egon Krenz (SNDAP) [5]

[1] Strasser and his northern faction came out victorious over Hitler's southern faction in 1926. He wins the 1932 election by a small margin.
[2] After Strasser is assassinated by a lone gunman, his more left- wing brother takes over, and reforms the NSDAP into a National-Bolshevik party.
[3] Ascended to power with little fuss.
[4] Manoeuvred himself into power after von Thadden's sudden stroke.
[5] Honecker dies of liver cancer.

[Meadow]

1932: Gregor Strasser (NSDAP) [1]
1939: Otto Strasser (SNDAP) [2]
1974: Adolf von Thadden (SNDAP) [3]
1980: Erich Honecker (SNDAP) [4]
1994: Egon Krenz (SNDAP) [5]
2000: Paul Deiss (SNDAP) [6]

[1] Strasser and his northern faction came out victorious over Hitler's southern faction in 1926. He wins the 1932 election by a small margin.
[2] After Strasser is assassinated by a lone gunman, his more left- wing brother takes over, and reforms the NSDAP into a National-Bolshevik party.
[3] Ascended to power with little fuss.
[4] Manoeuvred himself into power after von Thadden's sudden stroke.
[5] Honecker dies of liver cancer.
[6] After Krenz's arrest on charges of corruption, a sea-change in how the 'Red Reich' operated was set in motion. The Fuhrer was clearly no longer the be all and end all of government. The reforming bureaucrat Deiss was selected by the National Bolshevik Council and was a popular choice overseas, with Premier Zhdanov flying from Moscow to personally congratulate him on his accession. Comrade Protector Galloway followed suit, saluting Deiss' 'indefatigability' after the crushing of some of the more 'backward, racialist' elements of the SNDAP.

[TrickyNixon]

2000: Paul Deiss (SNDAP) [6]

Who is Paul Deiss?

[Meadow]

Who is Paul Deiss?

I made him up. It's now been 68 years since the point of divergence, so butterflies (and 61 years of a Bolshevik Third Reich) make it very plausible that we wouldn't have heard of any of the people leading the Reich by now.

[Uriel]

Comment:
Fascist dictatorships are seldom multiparty states.
Almost all dictatorships have only one state-party (maybe with a few token coalition partners).
In Nazi-Germany the NSDAP was the only legal party.
Instead of parties it might be a better idea to name the clique / background of the current ruler.

[TrickyNixon]

I made him up. It's now been 68 years since the point of divergence, so butterflies (and 61 years of a Bolshevik Third Reich) make it very plausible that we wouldn't have heard of any of the people leading the Reich by now.
Eh, that's a bit iffy. I don't mean to be rude, but just making up some guy kind of ruins the whole illusion, you get what i mean? If you went with a real politician, someone like Klaus Ernst, Ulrich Rippert or even Udo Voigt, someone real at least, i think that works better.

[Meadow]

Eh, that's a bit iffy. I don't mean to be rude, but just making up some guy kind of ruins the whole illusion, you get what i mean? If you went with a real politician, someone like Klaus Ernst, Ulrich Rippert or even Udo Voigt, someone real at least, i think that works better.

Absolutely not. You want to murder butterflies, go ahead. I stick with real people when I feel like it, but to expect any of those people to even have been born is just silly when you consider the massively different Germany (and world) we've created here.

[TrickyNixon]

Absolutely not. You want to murder butterflies, go ahead. I stick with real people when I feel like it, but to expect any of those people to even have been born is just silly when you consider the massively different Germany (and world) we've created here.

It's still more plausible to have Udo Voight exist than Hans Von Poopdoop III. Yes, it is a completely different Germany, but i find it funner to work in the actual politicians of the time, than to just make up a person, which seems like a cheap way out, at least for me it does. And the leaders we've had so far have existed in real life, so it really doesn't seem that unrealistic to have other real ones as well.

[Nekronion]

1932: Gregor Strasser (NSDAP) [1]
1939: Otto Strasser (SNDAP) [2]
1974: Adolf von Thadden (SNDAP) [3]
1980: Erich Honecker (SNDAP) [4]
1994: Egon Krenz (SNDAP) [5]
2000: Paul Deiss (SNDAP) [6]
2007: Prinz Georg- Friedrich von Preussen (German Monarchist Union) [7]


[1] Strasser and his northern faction came out victorious over Hitler's southern faction in 1926. He wins the 1932 election by a small margin.
[2] After Strasser is assassinated by a lone gunman, his more left- wing brother takes over, and reforms the NSDAP into a National-Bolshevik party.
[3] Ascended to power with little fuss.
[4] Manoeuvred himself into power after von Thadden's sudden stroke.
[5] Honecker dies of liver cancer.
[6] After Krenz's arrest on charges of corruption, a sea-change in how the 'Red Reich' operated was set in motion. The Fuhrer was clearly no longer the be all and end all of government. The reforming bureaucrat Deiss was selected by the National Bolshevik Council and was a popular choice overseas, with Premier Zhdanov flying from Moscow to personally congratulate him on his accession. Comrade Protector Galloway followed suit, saluting Deiss' 'indefatigability' after the crushing of some of the more 'backward, racialist' elements of the SNDAP.
[7] Although Deiss reforms were promising at first, his lack of charisma, combined with a severe economic crisis ultimately led to the breakdown of the red reich. As all other faction were weakened by infighting, as a surprise for everyone even themselve the still existing monarchists were able to get into power.

[Meadow]

It's still more plausible to have Udo Voight exist than Hans Von Poopdoop III. Yes, it is a completely different Germany, but i find it funner to work in the actual politicians of the time, than to just make up a person, which seems like a cheap way out, at least for me it does. And the leaders we've had so far have existed in real life, so it really doesn't seem that unrealistic to have other real ones as well.

I fail to see how Paul Deiss is in any way similar to Hans Von Poopdoop III. A little childish, no?

If it seems like a cheap way out (of what?) to you then don't do it. As it happens I rarely do it, but something about seeing Erich Honecker get succeeded by Egon Krenz in a timeline where both of them could have ledd completely different lives to OTL really irked me. That's the real laziness in threads like these - the number of US President lists that end with Hillary becoming POTUS in 2008 200 years after the POD is getting tiresome.

And if you must know, Paul Deiss, in keeping with the Gorbachev analogue that he functions as, was born after the PoD. All the others (barring Krenz, who shouldn't be on the list for the reasons I listed above) were not and therefore could conceivably exist.

But let's not get hung up on things like this. I agree it's more fun to use real politicians, but every so often you have to keep things interesting, otherwise the nature of this being a German-leader list on an English-language board will mean every list ends with Udo Voigt being defeated by resistance leader Angela Merkel.

[Meadow]

1932: Gregor Strasser (NSDAP) [1]
1939: Otto Strasser (SNDAP) [2]
1974: Adolf von Thadden (SNDAP) [3]
1980: Erich Honecker (SNDAP) [4]
1994: Egon Krenz (SNDAP) [5]
2000: Paul Deiss (SNDAP) [6]
2007: Prinz Georg-Friedrich von Preussen (German Monarchist Union) [7]
2011: Georg Mascalo (Liberal Party)[8]

[1] Strasser and his northern faction came out victorious over Hitler's southern faction in 1926. He wins the 1932 election by a small margin.
[2] After Strasser is assassinated by a lone gunman, his more left- wing brother takes over, and reforms the NSDAP into a National-Bolshevik party.
[3] Ascended to power with little fuss.
[4] Manoeuvred himself into power after von Thadden's sudden stroke.
[5] Honecker dies of liver cancer.
[6] After Krenz's arrest on charges of corruption, a sea-change in how the 'Red Reich' operated was set in motion. The Fuhrer was clearly no longer the be all and end all of government. The reforming bureaucrat Deiss was selected by the National Bolshevik Council and was a popular choice overseas, with Premier Zhdanov flying from Moscow to personally congratulate him on his accession. Comrade Protector Galloway followed suit, saluting Deiss' 'indefatigability' after the crushing of some of the more 'backward, racialist' elements of the SNDAP.
[7] Although Deiss reforms were promising at first, his lack of charisma, combined with a severe economic crisis ultimately led to the breakdown of the red reich. As all other faction were weakened by infighting, as a surprise for everyone even themselve the still existing monarchists were able to get into power.
[8] After the restoration, the Kaiser called free elections for the first time since Weimar and Germans overwhelmingly backed the Liberal Party, untainted as it was by the horrid fusion of left and right that had dominated their lives since the 1930s. Mascalo became Chancellor, abolishing the office of Fuhrer with a ceremonial tearing apart of the 'Red Reich' constitution in front of television cameras.

[TrickyNixon]

I fail to see how Paul Deiss is in any way similar to Hans Von Poopdoop III. A little childish, no?
I was just doing it for a laugh. That's all. But what i meant by it was that you could make up any name and there you go, instant politician, you know?

But let's not get hung up on things like this. I agree it's more fun to use real politicians, but every so often you have to keep things interesting, otherwise the nature of this being a German-leader list on an English-language board will mean every list ends with Udo Voigt being defeated by resistance leader Angela Merkel.Yeah, this isn't really that important an issue. Also, i do agree with you that if we do use the same politicians all the time, it could end up leading to complete redundancy. And while yes, Krenz could have been a different man considering the situation, there is also the chance that he stays nearly the same, it goes like that for everything.

[freethinker]

1933 Adolf Hitler- NSADP

[Nekronion]

1933 Adolf Hitler- NSDAP
1942 Albert Speer -NSDAP- technocrat wing [1]





[1] Hitlers Doctor, Morell uses one wacky medicine to much and causes hitler to die earlier.

[Orrin_Knox]

Heil von Poopdoop!

[freethinker]

1933 Adolf Hitler- NSDAP
1942 Albert Speer -NSDAP- technocrat wing [1]
1944 Erwin Rommel - Moderate Imperial Party [2]

2: Removes Speer from power in 1944 and makes peace with allied powers germay is greatly reduced from pre war borders but survives netherdeless. He also closes the extermination camps.

[Nekronion]

1933 Adolf Hitler- NSDAP
1942 Albert Speer -NSDAP- technocrat wing [1]
1944 Erwin Rommel - Moderate Imperial Party [2]
1968 Manfred Rommel - United German Party [3]

[1]Hitlers, Doctor Morell uses one wacky medicine to much and causes hitler to die earlier.

[2]: Removes Speer from power in 1944 and makes peace with allied powers germay is greatly reduced from pre war borders but survives netherdeless. He also closes the extermination camps.

[3]Although a democratic parlamentarian Monarchy Germany has a party system similar to Japan Otl, where one party wins everytime. Thus the UGP the renamed party of E.Rommel has been the leading party for more than 20 Years. As his son was politically talented (OTL mayor of stuttgart) we was chosen as successor.