Get this map for north america 2005

[Straha]

Your challenge is to get this map for 2005

[Nosb]

hm...another super-US map.


I can go two ways with way Texas is split. It could have been to balance out the free-slave balance. So Texas was split up early, and when there was still a large Mexican population in the east, which is way it's spelled Tejas. That is why there's also Cuba and the Caribbean as part of the US, taken over at the North's insistence. So maybe an early conquest of Canada, before around 1840, so a better war of 1812, or some third Anglo-American war around 1830 where the US manages to quickly seizes Montreal and Quebec and the rest fulls easily without supplies. So the US invades and takes more of Mexico during the Mexican-American War, where slavery is (re)introduced. I guess the Northern provinces become part of the US. But a civil war still happens.

I can defer there was both a President Fremont and Lincoln. I would think Fremont would maybe be a war warrior, maybe why he manages to becomes President in 52 or 56 (I would go with the later). This leads to a civil war around 1858-9 and Fremont is then dropped by the party for Lincoln or alternatively, Fremont wins the war and Lincoln brings the north and south and helps bring in the blacks when Fremont steps down in 1865.

I suppose the states were carved out of the Appalachia during the civil war, which would seem to me like an act of desperation, like the US doubts it can win so it curves this states out so it maybe can take them in a peace treaty.

[Straha]

the POD is Benedict Arnold takes Quebec. Nice try though

[Wendell]

What's with Cree and Liberty? Alternatively, I would propose Ungava and Arnold, respectively.

[Straha]

Interesting. I might go with that.

[Wendell]

Also, do some state capitals change? Oriental and Occidental could use alternative names as well.

[Straha]

Yes they do. Haven't decided yet though...

[Wendell]

Have any ideas who your Presidents will be/how precisely this comes about?

[Straha]

I think they're pretty much as OTL until Lincoln. After lincoln instead of andrew johnson we get Ben Wade who sucessfuly does reconstruction...

1 Western Canada gets taken in 1812. The British might have their soldiers but they've got less people in Canada to block the americans. The brit carribean also goes then.

2 Mexico is conquered in 1848 after the peace negotiations go... badly and the US opts to permanently occupy and annex it.

3 Cuba/Puerto rico/the phillipines all go in the 1850's. Haiti/Santo Domingo get picked up in the late 19th century. Hawaii is also picked up in the late 19th century.

[Wendell]

I think they're pretty much as OTL until Lincoln. After lincoln instead of andrew johnson we get Ben Wade who sucessfuly does reconstruction...

1 Western Canada gets taken in 1812. The British might have their soldiers but they've got less people in Canada to block the americans. The brit carribean also goes then.

2 Mexico is conquered in 1848 after the peace negotiations go... badly and the US opts to permanently occupy and annex it.

3 Cuba/Puerto rico/the phillipines all go in the 1850's. Haiti/Santo Domingo get picked up in the late 19th century. Hawaii is also picked up in the late 19th century.
So, Philippines will be a state? Do you have a flag for this union?

[Straha]

No I don't. I'd imagine they'd ditch the stars and stripes schemes since 80+ starts on it would be.... complicated.

[Leej]

I can't see any difference if those big lines are national boundaries as the key says... Maybe central America is a bit iffy...

[Straha]

I can't see any difference if those big lines are national boundaries as the key says... Maybe central America is a bit iffy...
They're not national boundaries. THe different colors indicate which nation owns which.

[Wendell]

No I don't. I'd imagine they'd ditch the stars and stripes schemes since 80+ starts on it would be.... complicated.
Well, then what would they do?

[Straha]

Hard to say? maybe a tricolor type scheme?

[Wendell]

Hard to say? maybe a tricolor type scheme?
Maybe the thirteen stripes and something else in the canton?

[Straha]

the "don't tread on me" snake?

[Leej]

Should have edited out that key then.

The flag:
One big star? A few stars representing divisions within the country (a big shake up in government having multi layered federalism?)?

[Othniel]

the "don't tread on me" snake?
A turkey on yellow and red plane!

[Straha]

A turkey on yellow and red plane!
Ugh. No. That might fit for a BNA but I'm NOT using that in my TL

[Wendell]

Why is it Eire, and not Erie?

[Straha]

That's a typo

[Vince]

if there was a still a civil war, the pro-Union forces in the Appalachian Mts take control of the area and are admitted as states in the Union like OTL West Virginia. Sam Houston manages to do the same thing in West Texas.

[Aussey]

Should have edited out that key then.

The flag:
One big star? A few stars representing divisions within the country (a big shake up in government having multi layered federalism?)?

i made something like that a while ago...

[chunkeymonkey13q]

Who knows what it would be. These Americans would be so different from us that it is hard to imagine. Chances are America would be fairly diluted by its conquests and so perhaps the flag would end up looking like a combination of those of the United States, Canada's and Mexico's. Then again maybe American pride woulndt allow this to happen.

[Superdude]

I like an American flag with a German Eagle emblazoned white where the stars usually are.

[DuQuense]

There is no Law requiring an particular arrangement/size, of the stars. you could get 80 in a spiral, or just go with the 13 circle.

A POD back in the early 1700's bringing more settlers to British America, Pitt stays in Office till 1763, so GB scoops Florida, Cuba and the Philippines. larger Population Means Canada joins the Revolution, US receives all BNA in '83. Larger population moves west faster, War with France 1800, US Takes Haiti, Louisiana. US /Mexican War, US takes Mexico, During Crimean war Russia offers US Alaska to keep Britain from taking it, US doesn't spend 30 years ITTL thinking it over. 1872 US and GB get in a War over Far East, US gets Philippines in peace treaty, 1905 US Annexes Hawaii to protect it's claim to Pearl.

[Wendell]

I like an American flag with a German Eagle emblazoned white where the stars usually are.
Me too. It is a rather imperial design :D