ASB send The Members back in time to 1800

[Ward]

The ASB send all the board members an everything and everyone around them for 5 miles back to 1800 .
How would this change the world .

[luakel]

The ASB send all the board members an everything and everyone around them for 5 miles back to 1800 .
How would this change the world .
I suppose this means that the Internet won't work?

[Ward]

I suppose this means that the Internet won't work?


Right now you have to go outside and do something .

[luakel]

Right now you have to go outside and do something .
Well, none of us would know that all of us have been transported back...
Maybe you should have the satellites come as well? That way we'd be able to establish communications quickly.

[mattep74]

We would? I would die in a few minutes since i am on the 7 floor in my building and it wasnt build until 1960ths

[Grimm Reaper]

We need specifics as to the ISOT, otherwise none of us know about the rest of the crew, many are trapped in primeval wilderness, and farewell to anyone working above the second floor of a building less than 200 years old.

[Ward]

We would? I would die in a few minutes since i am on the 7 floor in my building and it wasnt build until 1960ths



Like I said everything would come back buildings houses , roads , cars an trash .

[Othniel]

I think he means all the stuff as well, or does he mean that we get transported safely back 205 years?

[Leo Caesius]

Well, here's a Google Map of the area within a five mile radius of me. Considering the area we're dealing with, I would think that the world would be quite changed, even if I were to drop dead the following day of smallpox.

[Dave Howery]

well, we just dropped the city of Cheyenne and the AFB back into the middle of an empty prairie, surrounded by native Americans and buffalo. Starvation is just around the corner..

[Othniel]

Salt Lakers are on their way back to eating Lily Roots, and mormon crickets. Fourtantly we got a good portion of Denver, and hopefully that means the airports for both SLC and Denever got dropped.. Diamond get up to San Fran so we can have fish.

[Ward]

well, we just dropped the city of Cheyenne and the AFB back into the middle of an empty prairie, surrounded by native Americans and buffalo. Starvation is just around the corner..


Well how about some buffalo for supper .

[luakel]

Heh. At least I have the Early settlements nearby.

So, Ward, do we all have any means of communicating with each other?

[Othniel]

Heh. At least I have the Early settlements nearby.

So, Ward, do we all have any means of communicating with each other?
Only where phone lines aren't severed I bet... and only where the phone company is acualtly powered...

[luakel]

Only where phone lines aren't severed I bet... and only where the phone company is acualtly powered...
Damn. Well, except for a few places up in the NE US, and maybe in the UK, we're going to mostly be out of touch.

[robertp6165]

well, we just dropped the city of Cheyenne and the AFB back into the middle of an empty prairie, surrounded by native Americans and buffalo. Starvation is just around the corner..

You think you've got it bad...at least you have those buffalo herds. Peoria, Arizona just got dropped into the middle of the desert...in August...and there's nothing but Apaches, Gila monsters and rattlesnakes for MILES and MILES and MILES. There's not even a source of fresh water nearby. The closest "civilization" is the tiny hamlet of Tucson...less than 1,000 people in a sun-baked adobe village...which is 200 miles away to the southeast. Hopefully my car has enough gas in it to get there. Otherwise I am f**ked. Assuming of course, even with 4-wheel drive, I can make it there. This is BAD.

[Ward]

Only where phone lines aren't severed I bet... and only where the phone company is acualtly powered...

Well now how long would you and the town you are in get power .
There would have to be someone with a Ham radio in the area .

[Othniel]

You think you've got it bad...at least you have those buffalo herds. Peoria, Arizona just got dropped into the middle of the desert...in August...and there's nothing but Apaches, Gila monsters and rattlesnakes for MILES and MILES and MILES. There's not even a source of fresh water nearby. The closest "civilization" is the tiny hamlet of Tucson...less than 1,000 people in a sun-baked adobe village...which is 200 miles away to the southeast. Hopefully my car has enough gas in it to get there. Otherwise I am f**ked.
Maybe you can make it to a Californian 'Spainish' Mission? I'm hoping that the power plant is within distance and keeps any grocery stores freezers working. Most of us are going to be out of power.

[Othniel]

Well now how long would you and the town you are in get power .
There would have to be someone with a Ham radio in the area .
The best I can hope for is a few generators and a radio station, maybe a grocery store or two and the hospital. Otherwise a lot of people get screwed.

[luakel]

Most of us are going to be out of power.
Including me. :(

I think a good question would be: Does anyone have power?

[robertp6165]

Maybe you can make it to a Californian 'Spainish' Mission?

Not bloody likely. There is the little matter of the Colorado River to deal with. And the nearest settlement in California is at least 3 times as far away as Tucson.


I'm hoping that the power plant is within distance and keeps any grocery stores freezers working. Most of us are going to be out of power.

Well, we do have that one advantage here. We probably have the Palo Verde Nuclear Plant, which would keep our power running for many years. The bad part here is going to be when the water runs out. And the food.

[Midgard]

:D Salt Lakers are on their way back to eating Lily Roots, and mormon crickets. Fourtantly we got a good portion of Denver, and hopefully that means the airports for both SLC and Denever got dropped.. Diamond get up to San Fran so we can have fish.

Well, if it happens during the time I am at home, then chances are Buckley AFB is dropping in as well... I think it is within 5 mile radius of where I live... DIA is probably a few miles further, although there is a fairly large shopping mall, and quite a few retailers that could provide basic needs like food, medicines, etc for some time.

If it happens while I am at work, it also drops in a rather busy district with quite a few financial institutions, an expensive shopping mall with just about every kind of good you can think of, quite a few large stores and supermarkets, and University of Colorado hospital, among other things... we are talking quite a few people, and lots and lots of, well, stuff... cars, gas stations, food, weapons, you name it.

Either way, whoever wanders off into Colorado in 1800 is screwed... and given that we are neither talking Boulder (the unwashed yuppie/hippie ultra-liberal radical nazi holdout - the only city I am aware of where smoking is banned altogether) nor Colorado Springs (the reddest of the red state, the great theocracy of), hopefully it will not result in too much craziness... I'd imagine the former trying to teach whoever is trying to scalp them that eating meat is wrong, and the latter converting all newcomers to... whatever it is they are on with taped recordings of Pat Robertson or something like that, under fear of even more torture.

[Othniel]

Including me. :(

I think a good question would be: Does anyone have power?
Only if you are within five miles of where your power originates. Most of these are isolated. Right now I'm in a business area with generators for sale, and there are a few bodies of water are a few hours away on FOOT. We at least have enough water to start farming and enough food to keep our people feed for at least a few weeks. Unfortulately Utah winters are generally sever. We are going to have to ration the food ISOTed until we can get farms started up again next spring (assuming we have seeds) mny Utah gun owners would have to hunt the now abundant deer and moose to substane us, meanwhile we'd be forced to make friendly with the Indians.

[Ward]

Yes I do there is a Dam on the river less than a mile from me .
We also would have cell phones there are 4 towers in the 5 miles .

[Othniel]

Not bloody likely. There is the little matter of the Colorado River to deal with. And the nearest settlement in California is at least 3 times as far away as Tucson.

Well, we do have that one advantage here. We probably have the Palo Verde Nuclear Plant, which would keep our power running for many years. The bad part here is going to be when the water runs out. And the food.
The Colorado can be forded in the low season. When they hear of centers in SLC and Colorado are open then you guys might be able to get up here. Besides river water is drinkable in this case.

[luakel]

Well, the nearest power station is about 8 miles away... but luckily, a fair amount of people have generators, though my family doesn't.

[Othniel]

:D

Well, if it happens during the time I am at home, then chances are Buckley AFB is dropping in as well... I think it is within 5 mile radius of where I live... DIA is probably a few miles further, although there is a fairly large shopping mall, and quite a few retailers that could provide basic needs like food, medicines, etc for some time.

If it happens while I am at work, it also drops in a rather busy district with quite a few financial institutions, an expensive shopping mall with just about every kind of good you can think of, quite a few large stores and supermarkets, and University of Colorado hospital, among other things... we are talking quite a few people, and lots and lots of, well, stuff... cars, gas stations, food, weapons, you name it.


BTW I'll be up in Denver next week. The mile high city should be a great vist expecially as I get to see the Cubs whip the Rockies. :D

[Imajin]

I think that theres a nearby power station to Hingham, though I'm not sure if it's close enough....

[robertp6165]

The Colorado can be forded in the low season.

That's true today, because it is dammed and the flow is much lower than it was in 1800. It was not true in 1800, at least not on a direct route from here to California. If I have to go a hundred miles out of the way to find a ford, I might as well just head for Tucson. It's a heck of a lot closer.

When they hear of centers in SLC and Colorado are open then you guys might be able to get up here.

Salt Lake City and Colorado are LONG way away from here. It is unlikely any significant number of the people here are going to be able to make that trip alive.

Besides river water is drinkable in this case.

Rivers are few and far between down here, and they don't have water in them in August. Hopefully this happens during the monsoons. We might at least be able to collect rain water. For a while.

[Fellatio Nelson]

I'd be alright: warships and ships of all kinds, helicopters, a large hospital and several sizeable naval bases and loads and loads of shops...

...don't know what our forebears of 200 years ago will think of with us (literally, in many instances) squashing them under buildings, roads and cars, but it would give Fellatio Nelson the chance to meet Horatio Nelson.

[Midgard]

BTW I'll be up in Denver next week. The mile high city should be a great vist expecially as I get to see the Cubs whip the Rockies. :D

The Rockies are a joke... even though I am not a baseball fan, I'd still like them ISOTed somewhere far, far away... IMO 1800 AD would be a good place and time for our sorry excuse of a baseball team. :p

[Othniel]

The Rockies are a joke... even though I am not a baseball fan, I'd still like them ISOTed somewhere far, far away... IMO 1800 AD would be a good place and time for our sorry excuse of a baseball team. :p
And how about the Nuggets? :p I'm just joking with you, but yeah, they do suck. ;)

[Glen]

We would? I would die in a few minutes since i am on the 7 floor in my building and it wasnt build until 1960ths

He said everything and everyone in a 5 mile radius. That would include the building you were in.

[Glen]

Well, if I go by the time that Ward actually posted this as the time of ISOT, then I would have been on the road about midway between my home and my office, which would have been perfect as they are about 6 miles from each other as the crow flies, but by having me roughly between them, they both fall well within the 5 mile radius of the ISOT (and also obviates the need for me to write of the two different possible scenarios).

Anyway, that means that virtually an entire major University (including its own power plant and one of the best Ag colleges in the nation), a pretty good community college, the major mall, Lowe's, Home Depot, and several major hospitals all come along with me.

Fuel of all sorts will have to be rationed immediately, of course. I'm not certain if we have the water plant in the ISOT area, but the University has its own separate water treatment facilities as well. Fortunately, its the Summer so most of the students are gone. We have one of the largest student bodies in the country, and much of the populace's needs could be met by the infrastructure of the University.

The regional airport didn't make it, but the hospital has its own chopper, so we can do some aerial reconnaisance.

We're an isolated pocket at this time in history (1800), but we actually have a lot of advantages, and a lot to offer. Once we learn of the existence of other pockets of ISOT throughout the US and the world, we can likely pull resources together to start building a 21st century society.

Of course, one problem for us is that we are actually in Spanish territory at this time, but likely have the largest population center in all of Spanish Florida (just weren't that many people living here at the time).

It will be an interesting world we see born of this...

[Glen]

I'd be alright: warships and ships of all kinds, helicopters, a large hospital and several sizeable naval bases and loads and loads of shops...

...don't know what our forebears of 200 years ago will think of with us (literally, in many instances) squashing them under buildings, roads and cars, but it would give Fellatio Nelson the chance to meet Horatio Nelson.

The areas previously in the ISOT go...elsewhere...

[Glen]

I have quite a good idea where the oil deposits are in Pennsylvania. We could probably get some crude facilities up and running in short order.

Does anyone have an oil refinery in their ISOT area?

We probably have enough knowledge and equipment in the University to start building one if need be...

[Glen]

We AH.commers may not be in contact, but there are likely to be a few Ham Radio operators in some of the ISOT areas, and they could make contact...

[Othniel]

I have quite a good idea where the oil deposits are in Pennsylvania. We could probably get some crude facilities up and running in short order.

Does anyone have an oil refinery in their ISOT area?

We probably have enough knowledge and equipment in the University to start building one if need be...
We have uranium in southern Utah, and Coal deposits are rather liberially scattered...

[Leo Caesius]

Does anyone have an oil refinery in their ISOT area?
If I'm in Chinatown at the time (and there's a non-trivial chance of that happening), then I'll probably take parts of Secaucus with me, which means, yes.

[Rabbit Scribe]

Well, the most important piece of baggage I'm toting would be Chicago's O'Hare International Airport. Not counting that, there are a good eighty to a hundred thousand Chicagoans representing every class except the very rich and the very poor coming along for the ride. Both major Chicago grocery chains, Jewel and Dominicks, have truly massive warehouses within my radius. There's three hospitals as well, and the six golf courses (who knew?) are the cherry on top. No power or sewers, but we'll have plenty of clean river water and wood for fuel, and it's only six miles to Lake Michigan. We need to start clearing farmland for next spring pronto, though. If we can make it through the first winter on canned goods and the Cubs-Sox rivalry doesn't turn bloody, we'll do fine.

[mattep74]

Ok, everything for 8kms around me is transported. If i am in the citycore of my town virtually the whole town is transported back in time, INCLUDING a storage for the army with weapons.

ASBs just changed a important city in Sweden in 1800 with around 5-10k inhabitants with a somewhat important city in Sweden with 80-100k inhabitants. I dont make contact with anyone of you in America, i cant. Perhaps i can contact someone in UK. Lots of farms around and if we are lucky i belive one of them is transported back. City of Vasteras has a old coaldriven powerplant and a modern powerplant(also runs on coal) so the town has electricity. Also has one of the biggest lake ports in Sweden. 100kms from Stockholm so someone takes a boat and visit the goverment and gives a hint about a certain fellow in France and that Russia is planning to invade Finland. The city has an airport. Lots of librarys with books on economic development and a tech university.

Within a year assuming not everyone in the city dies of starvation Sweden starts the industrial revolution

[Imajin]

I think America may have an advantage over Sweden that more of it came from 1800...

[Rabbit Scribe]

Fun thread. I have MS Streets & Trips, which has a radius tool. I can't seem to post images (n00b :D ), but if anybody in the US wants to share where they're at exactly, I could email your map to somebody less technologically inept and get your five-mile radius posted.

[Dave Howery]

Well how about some buffalo for supper .
50,000 people can't live on buffalo indefinitely.... hopefully, the 5 mile radius will throw in some ranches in the area... all in all, though, Cheyenne isn't in the greatest position with losing most of the outside world to support it...

[GBW]

Within a year assuming not everyone in the city dies of starvation Sweden starts the industrial revolution
Hasn't it already started by this point in Britain?

[Rabbit Scribe]

I think that theres a nearby power station to Hingham, though I'm not sure if it's close enough....

I don't see one. What I see mostly are a couple of big state parks. So, your contribution to Massachusetts circa 1800 is a lot of unspoiled wilderness... :p

[Archangel Michael]

Let's just say a shitload of cattle and farm area will come through with me.

[Rabbit Scribe]

Let's just say a shitload of cattle and farm area will come through with me.

Betcha poor Leo Caesius would swap with you. He's in mid-town Manhattan. What, a million, million and a half people within five miles, and food for a week, maybe? What a nightmare. Don't knock it...

[Swede]

^5 mile radius from mid-town is more like 2-2.5M iirc

Ok, everything for 8kms around me is transported. If i am in the citycore of my town virtually the whole town is transported back in time, INCLUDING a storage for the army with weapons.

ASBs just changed a important city in Sweden in 1800 with around 5-10k inhabitants with a somewhat important city in Sweden with 80-100k inhabitants. I dont make contact with anyone of you in America, i cant. Perhaps i can contact someone in UK. Lots of farms around and if we are lucky i belive one of them is transported back. City of Vasteras has a old coaldriven powerplant and a modern powerplant(also runs on coal) so the town has electricity. Also has one of the biggest lake ports in Sweden. 100kms from Stockholm so someone takes a boat and visit the goverment and gives a hint about a certain fellow in France and that Russia is planning to invade Finland. The city has an airport. Lots of librarys with books on economic development and a tech university.

Within a year assuming not everyone in the city dies of starvation Sweden starts the industrial revolution
Don't forget about me :) When the thread was posted I was in the Inner City (just a few hundred meters from the Palace). So Stockholm is comming too. An 8km radius from the Palace gives us: 2 major universities (one with Sweden's first nuclear reactor:)), a nice BIG harbour, maybe 500-600k people. Contact with Västerås will be established quickly, but we're pretty messed up when it comes to power and food. I guess the fish-stocks in th Baltic won't be depleeted tho. '
Plus, I'm out of a place to live :(

[robertp6165]

One factor we all seem to be ignoring is our complete lack of knowledge of what has happened. We don't know where in time we are, for example, and that might be a big issue. For some (people in Europe, for example), that might not be a problem, because there will be people within a reasonable distance who speak your language who can fill you in. But think of most of us living in America, especially those living anywhere but the eastern seaboard. The local Apaches here in Arizona sure aren't going to know it's 1800! They don't use the Western calendar!

And if we don't know where we are in time, that severely complicates any plans we might be making. I mentioned going to Tucson as a possible course of action, but if I don't realize that Tucson is the closest outpost of civilization, then I will likely waste a whole bunch of precious time searching for...and not finding...something in the immediate area.

Also, the idea of communicating with each other...even if means could be found...probably won't occur to us because we have no idea that all the AH.com members have been transported. Most likely we will think it is a local phenomenon and act accordingly.

[Rabbit Scribe]

One factor we all seem to be ignoring is our complete lack of knowledge of what has happened...

Lucky for you you read this thread before it happened in 5-4-3-2-1...

[Darkest]

5 miles aye? That's about 31.5 miles squared, right? Its been a while since geometry, but maybe that's right. 2*radius*pi?

Anyway, my place has an old hydroelectric plant, built in 1896, that is mostly just now a national landmark. However, we could probably get it running again to create electricity out of the American River. We've also got Folsom State Prison, which you can find on wikipedia. Once things get out of control, we might have a lot of criminals running around (about eight thousand).

However, we don't have any food other than grocery stores, a few horses and a lot of pets. Eventually, agriculture will get back up, we have a large river and a large lake very close by. I suspect 50% of the population will die off, unless we can contact some outside source.

Can we create a map of the world (in the year 1800) with every member's 'spot' tacked on?

[Codeman]

i live in upstate south carolina so there should be some towns around somewhere at that time pretty much every one around here has generators there are 3 convinence stores with gas statons around,a fire department,a school,i dont know how many churches lol every one around here has guns so we could hunt alot of our food almost everyone has some type of off road vehicle,everyone has an atv,dirtbike or golf cart and i think theres an armory within 5 miles with tanks humves exc so we could problly make it to charleston or maybe washington d.c.

[Rhesus2]

5 miles aye? That's about 31.5 miles squared, right? Its been a while since geometry, but maybe that's right. 2*radius*pi?

Actually, it's pi*r^2, which is about 78.5 square miles.

Well, in my case, we get a good chunk of the nations capital plunked down. Half of the city is 1800 DC, the other half is 2005. I don't know who lives where in my 5 mi radius, but we'd probably have a few cofused diplomats and politicians. Unfortunately, the SMithsonian is too far away, but AU is right down the block. Looks like we get all of Bethesda, some of Rockville, and the NW corner of DC, all centered around my apartment.