My first TL preview

[Mojo]

This is my first part of my coming TL, please be kind and give constructive comments/Criticism. I'm working with 10% History that I know 40% guessing and 50% wikipeadia :o


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The Red Menace
1848 March- The spring of nations gets under way, these revolts have a more socialists tinge than OTL. In Berlin revolutionaries force the king to abdicate and set up a parliament. The aristocrats and officers lead a counter revolution and surround toward Berlin. The rebels using captured weapons prepare defenses in the city.

1848 April- Socialists and Liberal revolutions in other German states go better and succeed in overthrowing or reforming their monarchies, among these are Bavaria which sends an expeditionary force to Prussia and Austria to help revolts.

In Austria the revolt of Vienna, Bohemia, and the Serbs goes better and results in the break up of Austria and Hungary into small states.

In Berlin Otto von Bismarck lead the soldiers into Berlin. He refuses to bombard the city before marching in. The troops are slaughtered in house to house fighting by the revolutionaries. Bismarck is repulsed and instead prepares to starve the city in siege.

1848 May- The Bavarian forces reach Berlin and send a message to the revolutionaries hold up in the city. At midnight they attempt to breakout and meet the Bavarian forces. The Bavarians sneak up on the Prussian and bayonet charge. The breakout is a success and Bismarck and a few other aristocrats/officers are taken prisoner and hanged on May 26th.

[Mojo]

Jeeze 51 views and not one reply. please just one reply even if its just a hate filled rant on how implausible it is.

[Yellmic Wigwawa]

This is my first part of my coming TL, please be kind and give constructive comments/Criticism. I'm working with 10% History that I know 40% guessing and 50% wikipeadia :o


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The Red Menace
1848 March- The spring of nations gets under way, these revolts have a more socialists tinge than OTL. In Berlin revolutionaries force the king to abdicate and set up a parliament. The aristocrats and officers lead a counter revolution and surround toward Berlin. The rebels using captured weapons prepare defenses in the city.

1848 April- Socialists and Liberal revolutions in other German states go better and succeed in overthrowing or reforming their monarchies, among these are Bavaria which sends an expeditionary force to Prussia and Austria to help revolts.

In Austria the revolt of Vienna, Bohemia, and the Serbs goes better and results in the break up of Austria and Hungary into small states.

In Berlin Otto von Bismarck lead the soldiers into Berlin. He refuses to bombard the city before marching in. The troops are slaughtered in house to house fighting by the revolutionaries. Bismarck is repulsed and instead prepares to starve the city in siege.

1848 May- The Bavarian forces reach Berlin and send a message to the revolutionaries hold up in the city. At midnight they attempt to breakout and meet the Bavarian forces. The Bavarians sneak up on the Prussian and bayonet charge. The breakout is a success and Bismarck and a few other aristocrats/officers are taken prisoner and hanged on May 26th.

I think we'd like to see a few more details before passing comment. For example, are these revolutionaries fuelled by nationalism as well as socialism? Could they be a kind of 19th century Nazis?

[wkwillis]

The earlier development of the Mimeograph made sub rosa publication both cheaper and more varied, leading to the radicalisation of the 1848 revolutions? It would make a nice POD.

[Faeelin]

T1848 March- The spring of nations gets under way, these revolts have a more socialists tinge than OTL. In Berlin revolutionaries force the king to abdicate and set up a parliament. The aristocrats and officers lead a counter revolution and surround toward Berlin. The rebels using captured weapons prepare defenses in the city.

Why does it have a more socialist tinge?

1848 April- Socialists and Liberal revolutions in other German states go better and succeed in overthrowing or reforming their monarchies, among these are Bavaria which sends an expeditionary force to Prussia and Austria to help revolts.

Prussia? I'd actually expect the Mad King Ludwig to fall before the Hohenzerellens.

I'd like to know why it's more socialist, and why they're more successful.

[ShawnEndresen]

First: the revolution in Bavaria didn't happen as such. It was more of a cranky, well armed, disorganized nationalist movement. The peasantry of Franconia demanded that King Maximilian submit to the will of the Frankfort Assembly; as the Assembly had yet made no meaningful proclamations, Max stalled. He was unwilling to use his army to crush his own people, but I'm sure his recurring thought that year was "who the hell gave the peasants all those rifles?". It all blew over when the Frankfort Assembly dissolved into nothing.

The Berlin revolutionaries are not Nazis. Their ringleader is named Moses, f'rex. But the King will not abdicate for a nascent Republic. He'll force them to kill him first, which they may or may not have the stomach for. Your call--it's a big decision.

Russia will intervene. I'm not sure if Czar Nikolai has enough troops to suppress ALL the German rebels, but Prussia is the priority--he and the King are brothers-in-law and get on well. This could be the excuse for the break-up of Austria--without Russian help, they lose Hungary and their part of Poland. I think they could keep Bohemia and Servia even without the Russians, though--Italy too if they're not stupid, but they probably will be.

If Emperor Ferdinand is running from a mob, though, and the King of Prussia is in a cell with the possibility of a guillotine, Frankfort will (I presume) be offering the title of Emperor of Germany first to King Max of Bavaria. I think Max would happily accept in order to restore order in his own realm. He has to deal with being a limited constitutional monarch, but it sure beats exile. If he declines, choice number 2 is (shudder) Evil Ernie of Hanover, because King John of Saxony is in exile due to proto-Communist rebels.

Your alternative, I imagine, is for Frankfort to somehow go radical and offer no crown at all, but declare a Republic. King Max must resist, he is exiled with relatively little bloodshed, and South Germany goes Republican. Hanover will probably boot Evil Ernie and join up, causing Britain to intervene against the rebels as well.

To summarize--because of the large probability of foreign intervention, the Republicans, socialist or no, are pretty much doomed in 1848. If they are put down with the joint intervention of Russia and Britain, however, lots and lots of ordinary Germans will get the idea that their monarchs are exploitive bastards propped up by foreigners, and the second go around (1860 or something?) has a good chance of succeeding.