FH Challenge: What happened *HERE*?

[RMG]

Because P. Diffin's idea was really cool, here's another map of future superpowers to try to explain:


http://themidlands.net/images/world2051small.jpg

Larger version: http://themidlands.net/images/2051world.jpg


The only rule is that each color represents a single nation, with individual regions no more autonomous than an OTL U.S. State.

[Diamond]

Can we start from a POD in the past and work up to 2051? I can't see any way to get a communist North America otherwise (I'm assuming that's what that is, tho I cant figure out what CSSSA stands for. Maybe Confederated Soviet States of America, but there's an extra 'S'...).

[Leej]

The extra S will be soviet socialist, the USSR had soviet socialist.
The dragon on the China looks like a dragon shaped country, heh.

[RMG]

Can we start from a POD in the past and work up to 2051? I can't see any way to get a communist North America otherwise (I'm assuming that's what that is, tho I cant figure out what CSSSA stands for. Maybe Confederated Soviet States of America, but there's an extra 'S'...).

The POD can be any time.

CSSSA can stand for anything you want.

[emperorharry86]

Hmmm, just a few observations. . .

Vancouver Island is part of the CSSSA, not Canada, as the Caribbean, central America, and Columbia.

Madagascar is part of the huge North African country.
Japan and Korea are divided between china and EU

Does the EU have the same number of stars?

[Beck Reilly]

Also, Switzerland has joined the EU. Aren't they bound by law not to?

[Beck Reilly]

CSSSA = Confederation of the Several (or maybe Sovereign) Socialist States of America ; The extra "s" probably would not be "soviet" because that is, almost always, used in reference to the Russian communist state. It's not really a general term.

[Stalin]

The world of the mid-21st Century:

Confederated Supreme Super State of America: Occured when the Southern neo-Populists rose to power in the late 2020's. The United States quickly began a process of assimilation, creating a loose confederacy of states in the Americas that were now part of the former-USA. Many want to change the flag, because it is reminiscant of Communism, a ideology now even more reviled than in past times. Others however point to the rich history of such symbols under Roosevelt's New Deal, and that they don't necessarily reflect Stalinism. The current US is similar to Huey Long's Louisanna, except with lower taxes and far more wealth.

Oceanic Union: Occured when the EU began to become a actual state entity in the 2020's. Soon, the EU began to look for other possible members, many not within Europe. Canada, Australia, and other nations soon joined. Many in the CSSSA believe that the OU is intentionally trying to humiliate and weaken America at this point. The OU at this point is a Left Wing Globalist "One-Ideology" state. Conservative, nationalist, anti-Welfare State, or any real dissenting views have been systematically eliminated, made irrelevant, or flat out repressed (in the past at least, now they don't need to since their "opposition" is a joke).

African Co-Prosperity Sphere: After the AIDS epidemic reached its peak in the 2020's, governments began to become desperate. Many of them decided to unite under just one state, in order to more effectively solve the problems plaguing the "dark continent." Within twenty years, the ACPS had actually given Africa a stable, far wealthier, and developed nation. It had also become a military dictatorship.

Pan-Asian Sphere: After the nations of New China (now officially a neo-Xiaopingist, Corporatist authoritarian state), Tawain, Singapore, Japan and others had recovered economically in the 2010's, many felt that Asia should be united in order to become the hyper-power much of the world felt it could easily be. Subsequently, most of Asia is now a unified set of states, though some dictatorships within it are stirring up trouble.

[Beck Reilly]

One thing I've never understood (sorry to be off topic slightly) and maybe someone can explain it to me. How are the Europeans going to give up 3,000 years of differences and fighting to merge and become one nation? I mean, come on, it's only a matter of time before there's another war between European nations...

P.S. Has anyone ever read "Cauldron" by Larry Bond? It's not really AH although the case could be made that it is, but it's about a war in Europe between a revamped German-Franco alliance and their client states in southeastern Europe, against the US-British-Danish-Polish-Czech-Slovak alliance. It starts as a trade war that gets out of hand...

[Stalin]

One thing I've never understood (sorry to be off topic slightly) and maybe someone can explain it to me. How are the Europeans going to give up 3,000 years of differences and fighting to merge and become one nation? I mean, come on, it's only a matter of time before there's another war between European nations...


I don't see that as happening at all. Europe is a leftist, sanitized, de-clawed, social-democratized continent. It's been more than sixty years since they had a World War. They don't really have any reason to fight, and to be honest, with their sub-par militaries I don't think that they'd be able to really do much to each other in a conventional war.

[Stalin]

So, what does everyone think of my scenario?

[Beck Reilly]

I don't really like the word "hyper-power" but other than that it seems okay. I do, however, doubt that China's going to become a republic anytime soon. What they have going is clearly working fairly well for them. Plus, within that "Pan-Asian Sphere" nation, there are a dozen dictatorships who aren't going to take well to the idea of a republic. I think an oligarchy at best.

[Stalin]

I don't really like the word "hyper-power" but other than that it seems okay. I do, however, doubt that China's going to become a republic anytime soon. What they have going is clearly working fairly well for them. Plus, within that "Pan-Asian Sphere" nation, there are a dozen dictatorships who aren't going to take well to the idea of a republic. I think an oligarchy at best.

You're probably right. Anyway, I just changed it to include dictatorial nations.

[Landshark]

P.S. Has anyone ever read "Cauldron" by Larry Bond? It's not really AH although the case could be made that it is, but it's about a war in Europe between a revamped German-Franco alliance and their client states in southeastern Europe, against the US-British-Danish-Polish-Czech-Slovak alliance. It starts as a trade war that gets out of hand...


Yes, and it's a US-British-Norwegian-Polish-Czech-Slovak alliance. There's a paragraph in the book about how the air forces of the various combatants are all ignoring Denmark's nuetrality.

[Beck Reilly]

Yes, and it's a US-British-Norwegian-Polish-Czech-Slovak alliance. There's a paragraph in the book about how the air forces of the various combatants are all ignoring Denmark's nuetrality.

Oops, sorry. I was thinking Danish because I remember them running through the Kattegat.

[Pikers3]

Future world !

The EU became united under one flag after the gas crisis of 2013 where a resurgant Russia cut off gas supplys for 5 months bringing the european economys to near ruin. Along with several balkan and ex soviet states swizerland, norway and iceland joined between 2009-2014.
This superpower having the largest economy and largest military gained huge influence across the world surpassing the US power in 2015.

This caused much distress in Washington causeing the US to become insecure in itself. The result of this was the legislation under Stephen Bush of 2019 in which free press and private industry was outlawed to protect against the European, islamic, russian and chinese terrorists. In 2020 the USA renamed itslef to The Confederation of the Socailist Stephenist States of America.
In 2039 CSSSA invaded Mexico and central America becuse they were "funding terrorism" according to Stephen Bush. However the real reson was that the CSSSA was running out of oil and needed to control oil rich central America. To prevent an invasion the Carribean Republic and Columbia joined CSSSA as vassals but were allowed to be Democratic.

The Chinese meanwhile after the stalemate in the War of Taiwan (2013 - 2023) gained the new Ainu Republic (one of the succesor states after the Japanese civil war 2021 - 2025. which ended with EU occupation)
but lost Taiwan and Hanian, the later joined the Union of the pascific (see below)
Although China was didn't win the war it gained massive respect in Asia against the neo-imperalism of the E.U. This caused the Union of many south east and islamic States under the banner of "Asia First" in 2034. This union eventually united into one country as the Great Asian Union or GAU.

The War of Taiwan revealed China's new power. To combat this power Australia, New Zealand, Canada, Sillia and Free Alsaka united as Pasifica.
Pasifica then united with the E.U to "Ensure democracy across the world"
It created the DUEPJ (the Democratic Union of Europe, Pasifica and Japan)

The African Union is now in the process of Uniting into one country with Nigeria as the head nation it expects to Unite all countries North of the River Zaire by 2055. South Africa is organising a rival union called Union of Free African Nations already joined are South Africa, Zambia, Zimbabwe, Malawi and Kenya. It looks certin that by 2060 there will only be 3 nations in Africa (AU, UFAN and Egypt)

Lets hope that all of these powers never go to war or there would be no survivors.

[Emperor Qianlong]

One thing I've never understood (sorry to be off topic slightly) and maybe someone can explain it to me. How are the Europeans going to give up 3,000 years of differences and fighting to merge and become one nation? I mean, come on, it's only a matter of time before there's another war between European nations...

P.S. Has anyone ever read "Cauldron" by Larry Bond? It's not really AH although the case could be made that it is, but it's about a war in Europe between a revamped German-Franco alliance and their client states in southeastern Europe, against the US-British-Danish-Polish-Czech-Slovak alliance. It starts as a trade war that gets out of hand...

I shall de-refer to my own signature... :D

[Gryphon]

Is there any reason one of the oldest threads in FH was necromanced?

I shall de-refer to my own signature... :D
You do realise that guy hasn't been on the site since '06?

Ah, such innocence back then... such... cliche... GAH!:mad::rolleyes:

[Kriegdämmerung]

Could the Asian state be the political future of the SCO? Question though, why is Hainan, not Taiwan part of the super-EU?

[Emperor Qianlong]

Is there any reason one of the oldest threads in FH was necromanced?


You do realise that guy hasn't been on the site since '06?

Ah, such innocence back then... such... cliche... GAH!:mad::rolleyes:

No, sorry, I didn't notice... :(