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[Othniel]

Over here....

[reformer]

Ok, well. . . . could we start posting the maps here? Id don't like having to go back severall pages to find the maps. . .

[Glen]

Latest Map for LiME

[Othniel]

I'm going to say that we are going to need a map of the world in 1800 for Glen. ;) France will probably ask calmly, and with a big stick to give them bavk all non-isoted overseas colonies.

[Othniel]

Europe: what nonclaimed areas will look like....

http://www.euratlas.com/big/1800big.jpg

http://www.euratlas.com/big/big1800.htm

[Othniel]

Intrestingly enough Switzerland is a French puppet already. I'm going to have to take advantage of that....

[reformer]

Ok, Flanders gets a little land in north western Africa.

[Glen]

Here's a cruddy little map of Europe with the 1800 areas 'added'

[NomadicSky]

I think Germany is about to turn Hungary and Denmark into puppet states just like at home Germans are also going invade Scandinavia
Canadians are confused
Texans is being invaded by a strange new stronger Mexico...

[Aussey]

Texans is being invaded by a strange new stronger Mexico...

not yet....we just too the buffer area between our two states...

[Othniel]

I think Germany is about to turn Hungary and Denmark into puppet states just like at home Germans are also going invade Scandinavia
Canadians are confused
Texans is being invaded by a strange new stronger Mexico...
I can see the British intervening against that. They maybe 1800s nations but they still have the abillity to self goveren.

[Glen]

I can see the British intervening against that. They maybe 1800s nations but they still have the abillity to self goveren.

The British might be a little too preoccupied with what has happened to the Empire and in Ireland.

Knowing NomadicSky's style, a blitzkrieg will probably take those areas before any other nation can catch their breath, and presented with a fait accompli with nations that there are no real deals with, they will acquiesce and move on, at a guess....

Of course, Churchill launched an invasion of Norway to preempt the Germans in 1940, so maybe....

[Othniel]

The British might be a little too preoccupied with what has happened to the Empire and in Ireland.

Knowing NomadicSky's style, a blitzkrieg will probably take those areas before any other nation can catch their breath, and presented with a fait accompli with nations that there are no real deals with, they will acquiesce and move on, at a guess....

Of course, Churchill launched an invasion of Norway to preempt the Germans in 1940, so maybe....
The terrian along Norway is tough enough that it will take several months before he's able to pull that off, which will lead to winter, which gives the British enough time to react. Besides, there weren't many Blitzkreigs by sea.

[NomadicSky]

Texas is willing to negotiate with Mexico
They don't wanna fight unless they have to and Texas needs an ally

[Aussey]

WELL...after Texan independence, here is what Mexico looked like in its timeline (i was up last night, re-drawing, erasing, and coloring this. It was sooo pixilated, but showed all the orginial divisions of Mexico...I combined many, but made the northern ones)

[Glen]

Since the previous color scheme offended the eye of our sublime moderator, and this one was more pleasing to his eye, I post it here for the masses....

[NomadicSky]

This is better

[Glen]

That's fine, but then we need to change the colors of Panama and Cuba/PR to make them look different...

[reformer]

I'm not kidding guys. . . I posted claims for Madagascar and parts of North Africa to be ISOTed.

[Glen]

I'm not kidding guys. . . I posted claims for Madagascar and parts of North Africa to be ISOTed.

Reformer, could you restate and/or direct me to those so we can include them?

This is for Flanders?

[Aussey]

how dis be?

[reformer]

Yah, its Flanders. Well, I have Madagascar, and I'm trying to decide what section of north africa to tak. . .. any suggestions?

[reformer]

I like. thanks.

[Glen]

I like. thanks.

So what's the story behind why Flanders has that North Africa colony?

I'm fine with it; I just want a story to go with it....

[reformer]

Its a Flemish governor. Flanders was bassically a part of France, and was becomming more and more influential, especially in some parts of the world.

[Glen]

Its a Flemish governor. Flanders was bassically a part of France, and was becomming more and more influential, especially in some parts of the world.

So it was French really, but since the governor was Flemish it came along for the ride?

[reformer]

Yah. . .. they are very close. . .. so Flanders is kinda skrewed right now having lost its master. Also, Holland controlled a part of Guiana, so it makes sense that it controlls that area.

[pa_dutch]

The Kingdom of Araucania and Patagonia:

Regions:

I Nagmapu
Capital: Perquenco
Perquenco is also the royal capital.

II Wentemapu
Capital: Valdivia

III Lafkenmapu
Capital: Puerto Montt
Lafkenmapu has the highest German population.

IV Pewenmapu
Capital: Mainque
Pewenmapu has the highest Argentine population.

V Puelmapu
Capital: Rawson
Puelmapu has the highest Welsh population.

VI Willimapu
Capital: Castro

VII Tehuelmapu
Capital: Huenu

VIII Tierra Del Fuego
Capital: Punta Arenas

[pa_dutch]

Here's a map of colonial South America in 1790. It may help in the situation currently going on there.

[Aussey]

Map showing South America, colored by the nations they are under the "influence" of, and they are independent kingdoms, vassals to the country that "influences" them.........

[Othniel]

I'd prefer this as to give Brazil a little Pacfic Coast as I asked before...I'd say knock off Boliva and La Plata's Pacifc ocean access to Brazil.

Not exact, but I prefer to point out that we'd love to have it. It improves the treaty makers relation with Brazil anyhow.

[pa_dutch]

Some criticisms...

Using colonial borders, the division between Mexican and Araucanian influence would extend northward, cutting through Lake Titicaca. Also, Easter Island and at least a few other islands in the Pacific, preferably the ones closest to Chile, should fall under the Araucanian sphere of influence, and the territories of Uruguay and Paraguay should belong to Brazil, right? If Brazil wants a pacific coast, grant them the Presidency of Charcas, which is a subdivision of the Viceroyalty of La Plata. It wouldn't be a huge Pacific coast, but one none the less... Perhaps take a small portion of southern Peru away as well.

BTW, what is that one island to the west of Easter Island? The Mexicans can keep that as a Pacific base, as long as Easter Island goes to Araucania.

[pa_dutch]

Araucanian proposal:

Take away the fancy titles of the viceroyalties and the divisions cut off (Charcas, Paraguay, and Banda Oriental were part of La Plata, Chile was part of Peru), so we have the following:

Mexican:
Kingdom of New Granada
Kingdom of Peru

Araucanian:
Kingdom of La Plata
Kingdom of Chile
Kingdom of Easter Island

Brazilian:
Kingdom of Charcas
Kingdom of Paraguay
(Banda Oriental can be directly incorperated, as I believe it was an area disputed between Spain and Portugal at the time)

[Aussey]

fine by Mexico

[Othniel]

Might be best to get rid of the Southern Pervian notch from the Viceroy of Lima, eh? I wonder, why is it called Viceroy? I mean where did the term originate from...

[pa_dutch]

Viceroy meant "in place of the king", so the viceroyalties could function as self-governing divisions on their own without the Spanish monarch. It's like how the English thirteen colonies were ruled. There was also the viceroyalty of New Spain, which was Mexico, Central America and the Southwestern US.

[pa_dutch]

I've done some research to discover that of the sub-divisions of the Viceroyalties, the audiencias were merely judicial districts while the captain-generals were practically independent of the viceroy.

So, instead of dividing La Plata into several kingdoms, why not keep it as one, with different areas of influence, like China was? The viceroy of La Plata rules the entire thing, but the northern Charchas district is influenced by Brazil and the southern part is influenced by Araucania? These Brazilian-influenced sections can break off and join Brazil eventually if the majority of the populations there desire to, just as Peru, New Granada, and Venezuela (a Captain-Generalcy under nominal New Granada authority) can vote to join Mexico, and Chile (formally a Captain-Generalcy of Peru) and southern La Plata can join Araucania (though I don't expect this to happen).

[Glen]

Kingdom of New Granada!

That little spot of territory?

Under Mexican influence?

What a strange world this would seem to a person from ME7... ;) :D

[Othniel]

Kingdom of New Granada!

That little spot of territory?

Under Mexican influence?

What a strange world this would seem to a person from ME7... ;) :D
Not to mention La Plata under Brazil...

[Glen]

Very true, very true...

[pa_dutch]

The idea of Chile and Argentina under Araucania is pretty ironic considering what happened to Araucania in OTL, too.

Here's what it would look like:

(Note all of the newly-created kingdoms are different shades of gray, and that the same shade of gray is used in Araucanian and Brazilian La Plata, showing the Kingdom of La Plata is one kingdom with two areas under different influences.)

[pa_dutch]

I can write out a treaty, if Brazil and Mexico agree to the slight changes in the Araucanian Proposal. (Everyone gets the same territories, with the addition of a small area to Brazil, just the borders of the independent states underneath the areas of influence are different - Also, the new right that areas under influence can vote to formally join the mother country after some time).

[Glen]

I can write out a treaty, if Brazil and Mexico agree to the slight changes in the Araucanian Proposal. (Everyone gets the same territories, with the addition of a small area to Brazil, just the borders of the independent states underneath the areas of influence are different - Also, the new right that areas under influence can vote to formally join the mother country after some time).

All of the territories in question in 1800 still looked to Spain for leadership. Will the Spanish (even under the Italians) wish to reassert that relationship?

[pa_dutch]

The Republic of Italy has little interest in South America, they've said, but they have sent diplomats to work out the situation in cooperation with Araucania, Brazil, and Mexico.