Limited Mosasic Earth: Rules, Regulations, and Chat

[Othniel]

Welecome to LiME, or as it is truely called Limited Mosasic Earth, the introduction to Mosasic Earth in order to help those out whom have never played before, or who haven't played in quite a while.

The year is 1927, towards the end of the roaring twenties and the world seems to be changing towards something better. Seeing the depression that will befall theese nations the Alien Space Bats attempt to save them from that fate. They remove them to an earth were it is still 1800, and the French Revolution ended in a Limited Constutional Monarchy.

All theese nations have three things in common.
(1)They all hail from timelines that have PODs from 1790 onward. The French revolution either didn't happen at all, was altered in itself, or it was left the same for a different POD to take effect.
(2)They all have suffered a World War,or a Great War between 1880 and 1920. All of them have pasted or failed that test.
(3)They are all possesing technology simular from the end of WWI and the start of WW2.

This ME gives you a chance to strech your imaginations for fairly recent events, without going overboard. It gives an oppertunity for fimallitry. However with this ME there is yet one more limit, and that is time. This ME unlike the others is slated to end come September 2nd. This ME also comes with a goal; create a situation in which a second world war is inveitable. We're going to be playing this at a rapid rate starting at 1 PM Wedseday, MST. This rate will be at 2 days equals three months as we are attempting to play over as much of an era as we can before this ends. Also I plan to use flash forwards every second friday of gameplay.

Now to the fun part, Claims start now. Newbies will get first dibs however. :D

[Othniel]

I should remind people that if it says its closed till a certain date don't post in it. Give your boundaries and be done with it, but in here.

[Othniel]

Official Name: Union of South Africa
Capital: Pretoria (executive), Cape Town (legislative), and Bloemfontein (judicial)
Population: 27,000,000
Head of State: Prime Minister Hertzog; Governor-General: Prince Arthur, Duke of Connaught and Strathearn (hold's no real power)
History: The Union of South Africa came into being on 31 May 1910, comprising four states representing the British and Boer populations of South Africa following the end of the Boer War in 1902. The two British colonies, the Cape Colony and Natal Colony, were combined with the two defeated Boer states, the South African Republic and Orange Free State, known thereafter as the Cape Province, Natal, Transvaal and the Orange Free State, respectively.

Unlike Canada and Australia, the Union is a unitary state, rather than a federation, with each colony's parliaments being abolished and replaced with provincial councils. A bicameral parliament has been created, consisting of a House of Assembly and Senate, and its members are elected mostly by the country's white minority.

Owing to disagreements over where the Union's capital city should be, a compromise was reached in which every province would be represented: the seat of government would be in Pretoria (Transvaal), the seat of parliament would be in Cape Town (Cape Province), the judiciary would be in Bloemfontein (Orange Free State), and Pietermaritzburg (Natal) was given financial compensation. This arrangement continues to this day, with government ministers, civil servants, and diplomats moving from Pretoria to Cape Town every year when Parliament is in session, and back to Pretoria when it is not.

The Union remains under the British Crown as self-governing dominion of the British Empire, and later the Commonwealth. The monarchy is represented in South Africa by a Governor-General, while effective power was exercised by the Prime Minister. Prince Arthur, Duke of Connaught and Strathearn is the current Governo-General and James Barry Munnik Hertzog is current Prime Minister.

National currencies: South African Pound Sterling (£1 = 100 pence)
National Day and other important days: May 31 (Dominion Day), and other major Anglican feast dates
System of Government: self-governing dominion of the British Empire
Ethnic groups: Black (70%), White (10%), Colored (8%), Asian (7%)
Languages: English, Dutch, Afrikkan (All official)
Religions: Christian 97% (Anglican 79%, Dutch Reformed 10%, Other Protestan 6%, Other Christian 5%) , Islam 2% (Sunni 1.9%, Shi'ite (.1%), Other 1%

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Seems that I was ignored about not posting there till Tuesday....*sigh*

[Imajin]

If none of the new members want it, I'd like Taiwan and the former Trust Territory of the Pacific Islands.

[Othniel]

Just claim, I'll tell you if you get dissenfrancised by a newbie.

[DuQuense]

Any word on how whe are handling outside the Nation people this time.

I suggest Discrete units, IE-- Embassies, military bases, ships-[mil & civ]-- get isoted in place. While Joe Schmo tourist just gets lost.

So no matter whe is in panama, the canal troops get Isoted. or if you have a Britain that occupied Germany post WW1 [aka OTL post WW2] Germany gets a Surprise. While Mrs. Businessman, becomes a Widow.

[Othniel]

We were going to attempt to aviod war starters at first and just have it go towards war if you know what I mean DQ. Chances are the millitary bases would overlap, and i'd give those to the natives.

[DuQuense]

Seems that I was ignored about not posting there till Tuesday....*sigh*

Your fault for not just putting this thread up, and waiting till Tuesday for the other.

[Othniel]

Your fault for not just putting this thread up, and waiting till Tuesday for the other.
It's just once its in there I see it as permanate. You have to play the country once it is posted. No changing your mind.

[DuQuense]

since whe are going back to 1800, ?can I just Isot a OTL country with out a POD.?

[Othniel]

since whe are going back to 1800, ?can I just Isot a OTL country with out a POD.?
We decided for this one that there should be a sense of fammillarity. Besides it causes some to reasearch a lot harder to find a POD that allows for a somewhat radical difference. However yes, you can isot an OTL country. The 1800 reference is for the areas which are empty and the 1790 pod limit is for famillarity.

[reformer]

Well, I'd like to try out a British East India Comapny, though I'll wait on posting all the details till tuesday. It would include, at its most (I doubt it will gett of of this land though) all of present day india, Pakistan, a chunk of western Persia, malaysia, Burnei, and if nobody else takes it the indo china areas. Of course, i'm suspecting to be overidden alot here. Oh, and St. Helena in the Atlantic was under company controll, (they imprisoned Boney) and i have a plan for that island, so I'd really like to take it.

Oh, and again if the area isn't claimed by a newbie, I'd like to take the Netherlands/Belgium as one country (continuation of Dutch Republic) again only if no one claims it.

And i wont drop out this time. So wil ME8 start of September 2? will the preliminaries start before them (posting of country and stuff)

[DuQuense]

I want to Claim Cuba, Panama, and French Indochina.

I wanted a prohibition lasted two ore years POD for Cuba, Except Goggleing I learn the 21st was passed in 1933, after the '27 Isot [OTL facts kill another good idea] So I'm going with a Spain joins the Allies WW1 pod.

Panama would just be OTL.

And a just slightly different Indochina [WW1 pod]

Any one PM the newbies who where interested, and Invite them, yet

[Imajin]

Just claim, I'll tell you if you get dissenfrancised by a newbie.
If I do, can I make a backup-plan? That is, if I lose Taiwan or the Trust Territory, could I take eastern Nicaragua instead (the former British part)?

[Othniel]

If I do, can I make a backup-plan? That is, if I lose Taiwan or the Trust Territory, could I take eastern Nicaragua instead (the former British part)?
You can still take the misquito coast, yes. I'd like to say however that I'll have all claims done by my one of Wedsenday. It's 8:20 PM right now if that gives you all a hint.

[Othniel]

I'll be playing as either a Sardinna-Piedmont, or a Napolenic Naples. (I have some work to do on that one.)

[Imajin]

You can still take the misquito coast, yes. I'd like to say however that I'll have all claims done by my one of Wedsenday. It's 8:20 PM right now if that gives you all a hint.
Actually, just make the Mosquito Coast an official claim of mine right now... After all, a few islands and a coastal strip aren't too much...

[Glen]

So Oth, have you heard from any Newbies yet? Mayhem should be good. And NordicSky really should try a 1920s version of the Republic of Canada....

[Mayhem]

Thanks for the mention, Glen :)

I'll claim the Japanese Empire from an ATL where they're still on the Allies' side by 1927.That might mean I take Taiwan, BTW, I can't remember exactly. I'll make sure I know any and all territories before the countries thead opens tomorrow.

Off to research for me!

[DuQuense]

This rate will be at 2 days equals three months as we are attempting to play over as much of an era as we can before this ends.

?Except [I hope] for day one which should be day one.?

[Othniel]

?Except [I hope] for day one which should be day one.?
Good idea, yes.

[Aussey]

I'm really sorry Oth. You didnt say not to post in the Posting thread. Shall I lock them for you? The unlock them Wednesday!

[Othniel]

Sure, but instead open them on Tuesday instead of Wednesday. They should be open for pre-event posting I guess.

[Forum Lurker]

I'd like to claim a Russian Republic in a TL in which Kerensky withdrew from the war, and now holds power over an uneasy coalition and restive Leninist minority.

[Othniel]

Ok, that would be nice.

[Glen]

BTW, Aimfire on OTL.com tried to drum up some interest in LiME over there, but it appears someone has decided to try setting up their own ME (called LiME, they didn't know it was specific I think). I've wished them well and tried suggesting that this might be a better place to at least learn how to do one of these.

I guess imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.... ;)

[Othniel]

I am aimfire. :)

[Othniel]

BTW, Aimfire on OTL.com tried to drum up some interest in LiME over there, but it appears someone has decided to try setting up their own ME (called LiME, they didn't know it was specific I think). I've wished them well and tried suggesting that this might be a better place to at least learn how to do one of these.

I guess imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.... ;)
What nobody could tell my writting style?

[Glen]

The Supremacy of Paraguay sorta gave you away... ;)

Other than that, you hadn't posted enough to notice really.

[Othniel]

Well promting LiME should have given me away in an instance.

[Glen]

Well promting LiME should have given me away in an instance.

I was giving you the benefit of the doubt that you might have fans... :p

So, why didn't you put more work into gettting those folks to play here. Now are you going to run two games, or is AA running the show (don't tell me that's Aussey ;) ), or what?

[Othniel]

Yes, AA has taken control.

[Othniel]

I'd like to claim a Russian Republic in a TL in which Kerensky withdrew from the war, and now holds power over an uneasy coalition and restive Leninist minority.
What territories did it loose during the first world war? Just so we can make a rough map?

[Imajin]

Thanks for the mention, Glen :)

I'll claim the Japanese Empire from an ATL where they're still on the Allies' side by 1927.That might mean I take Taiwan, BTW, I can't remember exactly. I'll make sure I know any and all territories before the countries thead opens tomorrow.

Off to research for me!
You can just... not ISOT Taiwan... Because I'm pretty sure you'd have it.

Off to Miskitia for me, then (well, I do have my little islands)... Maybe lay a claim on Liguria + Corsica (Republic of Genoa!) to replace Taiwan.

[Othniel]

You can just... not ISOT Taiwan... Because I'm pretty sure you'd have it.

Off to Miskitia for me, then (well, I do have my little islands)... Maybe lay a claim on Liguria + Corsica (Republic of Genoa!) to replace Taiwan.
Well I did have designs on a Sardinia-Piedmont without Naples but with Nice and Savoy, however I think you should review it before I proceed with that history. I like my kingdom of Naples just as Equally.

[Imajin]

Well I did have designs on a Sardinia-Piedmont without Naples but with Nice and Savoy, however I think you should review it before I proceed with that history. I like my kingdom of Naples just as Equally.
You can always have a Sardinia-Piedmont without Liguria, though... In fact, a Genoan Republic was reestablished after Napoleon, and had to be wiped out by the British so Sardinia could take the land. And if you take Savoy and Nice, you still have a coast....

[Othniel]

You can always have a Sardinia-Piedmont without Liguria, though... In fact, a Genoan Republic was reestablished after Napoleon, and had to be wiped out by the British so Sardinia could take the land. And if you take Savoy and Nice, you still have a coast....
You can still claim it. I'll even give you the benefit of the land.

[Othniel]

I'm going to post Nomadicskies's Claims as told by him to me. He can play or repeal theese as he sees fit.

Repulic of Canada
Georgia (http://alternatehistory.com/Discussion/showthread.php?t=16566&highlight=Georgia)
Germany (http://alternatehistory.com/Discussion/showthread.php?t=16539&highlight=Europe)

You can claim in theese areas, but since he's a newbie I'm going to support his claims. It finally gives us a North American Presence.

[Imajin]

I'm going to post Nomadicskies's Claims as told by him to me. He can play or repeal theese as he sees fit.

Repulic of Canada
Georgia (http://alternatehistory.com/Discussion/showthread.php?t=16566&highlight=Georgia)
Germany (http://alternatehistory.com/Discussion/showthread.php?t=16539&highlight=Europe)

You can claim in theese areas, but since he's a newbie I'm going to support his claims. It finally gives us a North American Presence.
That is one huge Germany...

[Othniel]

That is one huge Germany...
I know, but hopefully someone will claim Uber-Poland. A newb prehaps.

[Aussey]

no newbies yet...

[Imajin]

But his Germany includes Poland :p

A rough map I've tried to make.

[Othniel]

But his Germany includes Poland :p

A rough map I've tried to make.
Well, I'd like to try out a British East India Comapny, though I'll wait on posting all the details till tuesday. It would include, at its most (I doubt it will gett of of this land though) all of present day india, Pakistan, a chunk of western Persia, malaysia, Burnei, and if nobody else takes it the indo china areas. Of course, i'm suspecting to be overidden alot here. Oh, and St. Helena in the Atlantic was under company controll, (they imprisoned Boney) and i have a plan for that island, so I'd really like to take it.

Oh, and again if the area isn't claimed by a newbie, I'd like to take the Netherlands/Belgium as one country (continuation of Dutch Republic) again only if no one claims it.

And i wont drop out this time. So wil ME8 start of September 2? will the preliminaries start before them (posting of country and stuff)
Looks like you skipped over a post. :D Besides I still don't know how much land his Russia lost after WW1 or if they got it all back. Oh well.

[Othniel]

no newbies yet...
Both Forum Lurker and Nomad are technically newbies. Reformer is in a Gray zone. :p

[Aussey]

If no one claims it by Wednesday, I'd like Rhodesia (North and/or South)

[Aussey]

Actually, while we're at it...add Buchananland and Malawi

[Imajin]

New map. Miskitia has been expanded and should include all of British Carribean, but it's too small :p

[NomadicSky]

I didn't realize you were posting claims
Put me down for my three claims
Thank you Othniel
And glen quit calling me Nordic Sky
I'm not a Nordic I'm a Nomad
See NomadicSky

[Othniel]

Five country Asia
Two country North America
three country Central America-Caribbean
Three country Europe
One Country Africa
Zero Countries in Austriallia and South America.

[Glen]

no newbies yet...

What do you call NomadicSky (sorry) and Mayhem, and maybe Forum Lurker (unless that one played before I was involved)?

[Glen]

I see Imajin has jumped on the map making. Oth, if it is okay, why not have Imajin run with it for now. Doing a great job....but you need more tiny islands. :D

[Othniel]

I'd run it myself if this compie could comprehend pngs. :p But yeah, Imjin your now a game mod.

[Othniel]

Just a question, but what year was Australlia claimed by the British?

[Imajin]

Just a question, but what year was Australlia claimed by the British?
In 1770 the land was claimed for Britain.

[Othniel]

In 1770 the land was claimed for Britain.
All of it?

[Imajin]

All of it?
Well, New South Wales, which then was the whole East Coast.

[Othniel]

So, did they have the north Coast when it became the turn of the century?

[Othniel]

I might have to disinclude Georgia if it doesn't fit within the limits. No PODs before 1790 remeber...but maybe a reconquista from Britian during the War of 1812?

[Imajin]

So, did they have the north Coast when it became the turn of the century?
In 1859 Queensland was formed, whose charter I believe simply said it went north, but the northern part of Australia I don't think really was settled until much later, and still isn't that settled.

[Othniel]

In 1859 Queensland was formed, whose charter I believe simply said it went north, but the northern part of Australia I don't think really was settled until much later, and still isn't that settled.
Hmmm, I wonder what I could do with the Jungle part of Aussieland...hmmm, prevent the polish partition, and have one of the duchies end up with it...or prehaps a Danish one, or even swedish...need to think of something slightly random...

[Smuz]

Can I lay claim to the Ottoman territories? No POD figured out, but presumably the Empire survived the Great War mostly intact.

[Aussey]

this will be SO fun. i've always been interested in South Africa since that movie The Color of Friendship haha. anyways...out of the Euro drama....and in ME8 and/or ME9 I'm playing my beautiful Mexican Empire

[Othniel]

Can I lay claim to the Ottoman territories? No POD figured out, but presumably the Empire survived the Great War mostly intact.
Yep, glad to have an Ottoman Empire. Add Smuz to the map.

[luakel]

I have no clue whatsoever how to play, but I guess I'd be interested in playing an Italy with control over not only Libya, but also Tunisia, Spain, and some of the Balkans.

[Othniel]

I have no clue whatsoever how to play, but I guess I'd be interested in playing an Italy with control over not only Libya, but also Tunisia, Spain, and some of the Balkans.
That sounds a bit, ambitious...and what about Somalia, and Eritiea?

[Aussey]

Ottoman was usually brown right?

[Glen]

I have no clue whatsoever how to play, but I guess I'd be interested in playing an Italy with control over not only Libya, but also Tunisia, Spain, and some of the Balkans.

Welcome Luakel! Don't worry, this game is designed specifically for new players. I'm certain Oth can walk you through it.

Read through the directions on the threads labeled LiME, and start working on your idea for your nation(s). Remember, the year will be 1927 CE, no POD prior to 1790, and all of your technology should be between 1918 CE and 1939 CE in level. We'll walk you through the rest. The best way to get it is to do it; just check in to read as often as you can, post as much as you can, ask all the questions you can, and be involved. Everything else will follow from that....

[Othniel]

Ottoman was usually brown right?
Yes, but put in overlapping claims for Italy as well. I'll sit down Tuesday Night and figure it all out.

[luakel]

That sounds a bit, ambitious...and what about Somalia, and Eritiea?
Well, cut out Spain then, and I don't have all too much Interest in East Africa,
though I was thinking about Greece and Albania.

[Aussey]

post 1790 could be a Spanish Italy...but not an Italian Spain...you'd have to ask Oth/Imajin/Glen because Libya (at least coastal) was added as part of the Empire of Ottomania like a minute before you.

btw- Ottoman is an adjective. What is the noun form?

[Glen]

That sounds a bit, ambitious...and what about Somalia, and Eritiea?

Tsk tsk, Oth. The idea was for the Newbies to be ambitious, to not have the old hands taking center stage!

Of course, this is now an overlapping claim, so you'll have to decide on the ISOT portioning....

[Aussey]

Well, cut out Spain then, and I don't have all too much Interest in East Africa,
though I was thinking about Greece and Albania.

again, the Ottomans. Perhaps Italian, German, and Portugese East Africa?

[luakel]

Welcome Luakel! Don't worry, this game is designed specifically for new players. I'm certain Oth can walk you through it.

Read through the directions on the threads labeled LiME, and start working on your idea for your nation(s). Remember, the year will be 1927 CE, no POD prior to 1790, and all of your technology should be between 1918 CE and 1939 CE in level. We'll walk you through the rest. The best way to get it is to do it; just check in to read as often as you can, post as much as you can, ask all the questions you can, and be involved. Everything else will follow from that....
I meant that I have no real clue on what exactly you do to play. :confused:
Do you post stuff about what's going on or what?

[Othniel]

Welcome Luakel! Don't worry, this game is designed specifically for new players. I'm certain Oth can walk you through it.

Read through the directions on the threads labeled LiME, and start working on your idea for your nation(s). Remember, the year will be 1927 CE, no POD prior to 1790, and all of your technology should be between 1918 CE and 1939 CE in level. We'll walk you through the rest. The best way to get it is to do it; just check in to read as often as you can, post as much as you can, ask all the questions you can, and be involved. Everything else will follow from that....
As he said, but I find people learn best by watching. I think I'm going to team up people. Luakel I think you should try and fallow the posting model of Imjin. He's really good with Monarchies, and I imagine he'll be great in helping you with Italy.

[Othniel]

again, the Ottomans. Perhaps Italian, German, and Portugese East Africa?
Aussey if they overlap its ok.

[luakel]

again, the Ottomans. Perhaps Italian, German, and Portugese East Africa?
Did Smuz PM you about what he wanted in the Empire, because his post here just said that he wanted it.

[Othniel]

Tsk tsk, Oth. The idea was for the Newbies to be ambitious, to not have the old hands taking center stage!

Of course, this is now an overlapping claim, so you'll have to decide on the ISOT portioning....
It's just that the Balkans are a huge trouble area....it scares me for him. ;) Besides there has to be a LITTLE realism....

[Glen]

luakel, just stick with the claim you want, but realize that you won't get all of it in the actual game.

But sometimes, parts that are now other nations are important to have as backstory, so it isn't wasted...

Were you planning on playing those as one country or as more than one?

I like Spain, Italy, Tunisia, Libya, Albania, and Greece as a starting claim for a new person. You'll get first crack at some of that because you are new to the game, and I think you''ll get most of the rest because you are nominally smaller than the Ottoman Empire, so need the territory more.

Oth will get the final borders squared away.

So, having said alll that, what is your request for areas claimed again? Just so we are all on the same page...

[Imajin]

As he said, but I find people learn best by watching. I think I'm going to team up people. Luakel I think you should try and fallow the posting model of Imjin. He's really good with Monarchies, and I imagine he'll be great in helping you with Italy.
Thanks for the compliment :D

But this means I lose my Liguria (Or I get a Genoa-in-exile on Corsica...)

[Othniel]

Thanks for the compliment :D

But this means I lose my Liguria (Or I get a Genoa-in-exile on Corsica...)
No, you get to keep your puny nation. ;)

[luakel]

As he said, but I find people learn best by watching. I think I'm going to team up people. Luakel I think you should try and fallow the posting model of Imjin. He's really good with Monarchies, and I imagine he'll be great in helping you with Italy.
Yeah, I'm starting to get it now and I just looked at some of Imajin's posts as King of Karelia.
I was thinking of maybe having the same political structure Italy had before Mussolini, but with Il Duce as an ambitious PM instead of his historical position.

[Glen]

It's just that the Balkans are a huge trouble area....it scares me for him. ;) Besides there has to be a LITTLE realism....

Well, then ask for a brief description of what Luakel was thinking of doing with all that....

[luakel]

Thanks for the compliment :D

But this means I lose my Liguria (Or I get a Genoa-in-exile on Corsica...)
You get to be the Taiwan to my PRC. :D
Il Duce will have plans for Liguria... <evilgrin> MUAHAHAHAHA

[Othniel]

Did Smuz PM you about what he wanted in the Empire, because his post here just said that he wanted it.
It depends on his POD, which is why I'm waiting till Monday to put up the official maps. If his POD has the Ottoman Empire winning the Balkan Wars, or if it is post 1912 it can change everything.

[Glen]

Yeah, I'm starting to get it now and I just looked at some of Imajin's posts as King of Karelia.
I was thinking of maybe having the same political structure Italy had before Mussolini, but with Il Duce as an ambitious PM instead of his historical position.

That's fine. I can see Italy making a grab for more and more Ottoman territory, they were doing it in OTL (yes they were, go look it up if you doubt me). However, were you planning on having Spain and Italy united in some fashion? If so, could you explain? Or were you thinking of playing two nations (which would be fine)?

[Aussey]

I have to say- light blue on brown is cooleo

[luakel]

Well, then ask for a brief description of what Luakel was thinking of doing with all that....
I was thinking of adding a few McDonalds to the area for one thing... ;)

[Glen]

I have to say- light blue on brown is cooleo

You did a very nice job there....but luakel didn't want Eastern African territories. And who is Japan again? They are the same color it looks like, and we should probably change that...

[Othniel]

You did a very nice job there....but luakel didn't want Eastern African territories. And who is Japan again? They are the same color it looks like, and we should probably change that...
Mayhem is Japan. I'd use Marron for Italy.

[luakel]

That's fine. I can see Italy making a grab for more and more Ottoman territory, they were doing it in OTL (yes they were, go look it up if you doubt me). However, were you planning on having Spain and Italy united in some fashion? If so, could you explain? Or were you thinking of playing two nations (which would be fine)?
I was thinking of having Spain become an Italian puppet at some point in the 19th Century, maybe the Napoleonic Wars would be a good POD?
As for the Ottomans, you're absolutely right, I'm going to try and free the Eastern Roman Empire from those Muslim Barbarians! :D

[Aussey]

NoOOO! Change Japan to maroon.
And East Africa was a bonus (*wink* *wink* as in i give them to you, and you dont invade, and let me extend rule overthem?)

[Glen]

I was thinking of having Spain become an Italian puppet at some point in the 19th Century, maybe the Napoleonic Wars would be a good POD?
As for the Ottomans, you're absolutely right, I'm going to try and free the Eastern Roman Empire from those Muslim Barbarians! :D

Well, if you want to have a similar Italy to our own, you'd want to go later than that I think....hmmm, maybe have the Spanish Civil War start earlier, and instead of the Germans and Soviets playing proxy, it is the Italians and the Soviets. Then have Franco (or whoever) win just prior to the ISOT and be in debt up to their necks to the Italians and Il Duce....Consider having Spanish North Africa as well.

Of course, with that late of a POD you don't have Gibralter...the Brits still would....

[luakel]

You did a very nice job there....but luakel didn't want Eastern African territories. And who is Japan again? They are the same color it looks like, and we should probably change that...
Well, Eritrea would be OK, but I don't really care about Sub-Saharan Africa much, I'm mostly concerned about the Med.

[Glen]

Well, Eritrea would be OK, but I don't really care about Sub-Saharan Africa much, I'm mostly concerned about the Med.

Okay, give em Eritrea, Aussey!

[luakel]

NoOOO! Change Japan to maroon.
And East Africa was a bonus (*wink* *wink* as in i give them to you, and you dont invade, and let me extend rule overthem?)
Go ahead. :)

[Othniel]

NoOOO! Change Japan to maroon.
And East Africa was a bonus (*wink* *wink* as in i give them to you, and you dont invade, and let me extend rule overthem?)
Just give the man what he asked for... prehaps a premature unification POD is possible.

[Imajin]

You get to be the Taiwan to my PRC. :D
Il Duce will have plans for Liguria... <evilgrin> MUAHAHAHAHA
But we're such nice guys! Why would you hate Genoa?

And, because the country thread's not open yet, a map... thanks to Glen Finney's thread for the base.

[Othniel]

Is that just Nicaragau and San Salavador making up the UCPA? :p

[luakel]

Well, if you want to have a similar Italy to our own, you'd want to go later than that I think....hmmm, maybe have the Spanish Civil War start earlier, and instead of the Germans and Soviets playing proxy, it is the Italians and the Soviets. Then have Franco (or whoever) win just prior to the ISOT and be in debt up to their necks to the Italians and Il Duce....Consider having Spanish North Africa as well.

Of course, with that late of a POD you don't have Gibralter...the Brits still would....
Well I was thinking that Napoleon creates a strong Italian state while he controls the area, bet a 1880's Spanish Civil War Intrigues me.

[Smuz]

Let's take a very recent major POD (albeit based on pior factors). The Ottoman's did somewhat better in this TL, and kept most of their empire throughout the war. In 1920, Mehmed VI negotiates a less crippling version of the Treaty of Sevres, and consequently the Turkish Nationalist rebellion fails. Current ruler may well be Shehzade Ömer Faruk Effendi aka Omar I (as most Europeans refer to him), 102nd Caliph, 37th Padishi, and Patriarch of Constantinople, recognised as a true Emperor by the European Powers. Also, I think the Balkans levies may be the elite (as a result of countering the Turkish rebellions, which were only formally comcluded a few years ago?). At the start, the Ottomans will be modernising, in an effort to develop economically and militarily and avoid the need for social/political reform. On the other hand, I have both Suez and Bosphorus.

I want the Balkans, but you can have Northern Africa as far as the Western mid-line of Egypt. I don't mind Ethiopia/Abyssinia, but I might appeal for territory in the 'stans (i.e. east of the brown on the map).

EDIT: reading up on this, it seems removing Enver Pasha from command in WWI would be a good idea if I want to keep the Balkans. I must confess a specific ignorance of late (final?) period Ottoman history, and wonder if any kind soul could give me a link to a better resource than wikipedia. I'm also wondering what precautions are taken to prevent "uberising" your nation. And yes, I know precisely how grammatically abominable that term is.

[Aussey]

OH, oh!

Can I have my Mexican Empire?

[luakel]

But we're such nice guys! Why would you hate Genoa?

And, because the country thread's not open yet, a map... thanks to Glen Finney's thread for the base.
Oh, good to see you, lord Imajin, you see, the Prime Minister would like to talk to you about the Genoese rebellion of 1896, you see, I greatly respect Genoa, and...

[Othniel]

Let's take a very recent major POD (albeit based on pior factors). The Ottoman's did somewhat better in this TL, and kept most of their empire throughout the war. In 1920, Mehmed VI negotiates a less crippling version of the Treaty of Sevres, and consequently the Turkish Nationalist rebellion fails. Current ruler may well be Shehzade Ömer Faruk Effendi aka Omar I (as most Europeans refer to him), 102nd Caliph, 37th Padishi, and Patriarch of Constantinople, recognised as a true Emperor by the European Powers. Also, I think the Balkans levies may be the elite (as a result of countering the Turkish rebellions, which were only formally comcluded a few years ago?). At the start, the Ottomans will be modernising, in an effort to develop economically and militarily and avoid the need for social/political reform. On the other hand, I have both Suez and Bosphorus.

I want the Balkans, but you can have Northern Africa as far as the Western mid-line of Egypt. I don't mind Ethiopia/Abyssinia, but I might appeal for territory in the 'stans (i.e. east of the brown on the map).
You mean they were beaten, but managed to resist getting Partitioned by France and Great Britian?

[luakel]

Let's take a very recent major POD (albeit based on pior factors). The Ottoman's did somewhat better in this TL, and kept most of their empire throughout the war. In 1920, Mehmed VI negotiates a less crippling version of the Treaty of Sevres, and consequently the Turkish Nationalist rebellion fails. Current ruler may well be Shehzade Ömer Faruk Effendi aka Omar I (as most Europeans refer to him), 102nd Caliph, 37th Padishi, and Patriarch of Constantinople, recognised as a true Emperor by the European Powers. Also, I think the Balkans levies may be the elite (as a result of countering the Turkish rebellions, which were only formally comcluded a few years ago?). At the start, the Ottomans will be modernising, in an effort to develop economically and militarily and avoid the need for social/political reform. On the other hand, I have both Suez and Bosphorus.

I want the Balkans, but you can have Northern Africa as far as the Western mid-line of Egypt. I don't mind Ethiopia/Abyssinia, but I might appeal for territory in the 'stans (i.e. east of the brown on the map).

Could I have Albania, though? :)

[Glen]

Here's a fun little map showing the rise of Authoritarianism in Europe...

[Othniel]

OH, oh!

Can I have my Mexican Empire?
Only if I can chop off the top portion for my Republicia de Sierra Madre.

[luakel]

Here's a fun little map showing the rise of Authoritarianism in Europe...
I know, that site is great. :)

[Glen]

But we're such nice guys! Why would you hate Genoa?

And, because the country thread's not open yet, a map... thanks to Glen Finney's thread for the base.

Yay! Someone used them!

[reformer]

Could you add Oman and Singapore to the East India Compnay? (both were bassically controlled from Madras)

Also, could I take Napoleon III like France where they won the Franco-Prussian war? Same colonies as OTL 1910, excpet it controlls all of Morroco. It also controlls Belgium, Luxemburg, and the Netherlands and Satelites that I'd like to have ISOTed along with. Just something to counterweight the other two major powers in the area. I curious to see how this world will polarise.

Could you exspand the map to include more islands? Remember, the Company has CLAIMS on St. Helena. OTL, the company imprisoned Napoleon. I have plans for this island. . . and it means I can post one nation in three different message boards. . . no four. . .

[luakel]

Could you add Oman and Singapore to the East India Compnay? (both were bassically controlled from Madras)

Also, could I take Napoleon III like France where they won the Franco-Prussian war? Same colonies as OTL 1910, excpet it controlls all of Morroco. It also controlls Belgium, Luxemburg, and the Netherlands and Satelites that I'd like to have ISOTed along with. Just something to counterweight the other two major powers in the area. I curious to see how this world will polarise.

Could you exspand the map to include more islands? Remember, the Company has CLAIMS on St. Helena. OTL, the company imprisoned Napoleon. I have plans for this island. . . and it means I can post one nation in three different message boards. . . no four. . .
Can I have Tunisia and some of Nice and Savoy in exchange for my rights in Morrocco?

[Aussey]

Only if I can chop off the top portion for my Republicia de Sierra Madre.

but thats the only reason I wanted it? you're talking Mexican Cecessions(sp)?

[luakel]

By the way, what time period will ME8 be in?

[Othniel]

but thats the only reason I wanted it? you're talking Mexican Cecessions(sp)?
Yep, from a tl where there was no Loiusanne purchase. It is south of the Arkansas and Colorado Rivers intil a river boundary somewhere in the South.

[reformer]

As a newbie, you get all your first dibs on North Africa. My country isn't designed to be a counterweight to yours. Its meant to be a strong powerful cannonfoder.

[Othniel]

By the way, what time period will ME8 be in?
1960s. yeppity.

[luakel]

As a newbie, you get all your first dibs on North Africa. My country isn't designed to be a counterweight to yours. Its meant to be a strong powerful cannonfoder.
Thanks.
So, does that mean I can stuff France in my cannon and-

[Aussey]

Yep, from a tl where there was no Loiusanne purchase. It is south of the Arkansas and Colorado Rivers intil a river boundary somewhere in the South.

poop. I'll give you all of New Mexico and Tejas...how's that?

[Imajin]

Is that just Nicaragau and San Salavador making up the UCPA? :p
The UPCA hasn't done too well... Costa Rica left (and applied for British protection to stay independent), and it lost several massive wars with Britain (over British Honduras, in fact) and Mexico...

[luakel]

1960s. yeppity.
Can I have dibs on Czechoslovakia if it's in 68?

[Othniel]

Yep, from a tl where there was no Loiusanne purchase. It is south of the Arkansas and Colorado Rivers intil a river boundary somewhere in the South.
BTW that means its just a big desert. Mostly full of rebels anyways.

[Smuz]

Could I have Albania, though?

Maybe we should suggest an admin chops up the Balkans for us... I want a nice share though.

Also, Lawrence of Arabia was caught and imprisoned in Aqaba before the bedouin rebellion grew to any size. Ironically, he published a volume of memoirs/thoughts on Arabic and Islamic culture in 1923, largely based on writings while imprisoned, which attaches a certain amount of romanticism to the Imperial goverment in some westernc circles. The delay between his release and the publishing date is accounted for by an unsuccessful effort to infiltrate Mecca as an infidel.

[Othniel]

poop. I'll give you all of New Mexico and Tejas...how's that?
Can't do it without massive amounts of the Sierra Madre's anyway...

Besides you'd keep Utah, Nevada, half of Colorado as well as half of Arizona.

[Aussey]

oh wow. he just asked for dibbs :eek:

how's this Oth? unnamed green area u can have as Sierra Madre....whatever you dont want, you can give back :D

[Othniel]

Can I have dibs on Czechoslovakia if it's in 68?
Not yet. It doesn't start until September or August anyways.

[luakel]

Maybe we should suggest an admin chops up the Balkans for us... I want a nice share though.

Also, Lawrence of Arabia was caught and imprisoned in Aqaba before the bedouin rebellion grew to any size. Ironically, he published a volume of memoirs/thoughts on Arabic and Islamic culture in 1923, largely based on writings while imprisoned, which attaches a certain amount of romanticism to the Imperial goverment in some westernc circles. The delay between his release and the publishing date is accounted for by an unsuccessful effort to infiltrate Mecca as an infidel.
Fine with me.
You can have the interior for all I care, I just want Albania, Kosovo, Split, and maybe some of pre-1912 Greece.

[reformer]

Hey Oth, I just noticed you had interests in France. If you really want, I'll retract my claims.

[Othniel]

oh wow. he just asked for dibbs :eek:

how's this Oth? unnamed green area u can have as Sierra Madre....whatever you dont want, you can give back :D
My Sierra Madre is an Aproximation on this map.

http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/attachment.php?attachmentid=4933&stc=1

[Glen]

You want Islands? I'll give you Islands!

Aussey, fill the countries in on this puppy, would you please?

[Othniel]

Hey Oth, I just noticed you had interests in France. If you really want, I'll retract my claims.
That would be nice. That way I'll be the only Communist in the West. :eek:

[perdedor99]

I wait until the newbies made up their minds. Them I picked a couple of countries.

[reformer]

Yake it. . . Enjoy! But as revenge, I'll claim the United States of America. Home of the Free. Land of the Brave. Missing a huge chunk of the south west. I'll use my four party senate TL that I had to convince people that it was even possible. I think it had a socialist president that year. . . or was it populist. . .

[luakel]

That would be nice. That way I'll be the only Communist in the West. :eek:
Who're you taking, Oth?

[Aussey]

it might be hard without pre-borders Glen...
...Oth I really cant loose that much. There's no point in it if its just a Maximillian Mexico...are you SURE you have to play that? Why not take everything about it, but put it into a Louisiana, or something. PLEASE???this'll be the only ME I can play it in as MBarry ALWAYS claims the US in whole...

[Othniel]

I tried doing that until the veterans started taing areas I had quite a bit of intrest in...

[luakel]

By the way, NomadicSky can have Tyrol, since my Italy wasn't in WWI.

[Othniel]

it might be hard without pre-borders Glen...
...Oth I really cant loose that much. There's no point in it if its just a Maximillian Mexico...are you SURE you have to play that? Why not take everything about it, but put it into a Louisiana, or something. PLEASE???this'll be the only ME I can play it in as MBarry ALWAYS claims the US in whole...
I'll work it out with you later. I could play as it in ME8 but that timeperiod feels too late for what I'm looking for... Besides you get California in Masse, alls I want is the useless desert. With lots of Jewel mines and full of rebellions. I'm not even taking all of the US part, and whats the point of playing a Mexican republic if you don't get to take any part of Mexico proper with you? Besides, I'd feel sorry for Duquense and Imajin.

[luakel]

I'll work it out with you later. I could play as it in ME8 but that timeperiod feels too late for what I'm looking for... Besides you get California in Masse, alls I want is the useless desert. With lots of Jewel mines and full of rebellions. I'm not even taking all of the US part, and whats the point of playing a Mexican republic if you don't get to take any part of Mexico proper with you? Besides, I'd feel sorry for Duquense and Imajin.
Does Imajin still claim Genoa?

[Othniel]

Yake it. . . Enjoy! But as revenge, I'll claim the United States of America. Home of the Free. Land of the Brave. Missing a huge chunk of the south west. I'll use my four party senate TL that I had to convince people that it was even possible. I think it had a socialist president that year. . . or was it populist. . .
As long as you aren't playing my tl. :D

[Othniel]

Does Imajin still claim Genoa?
Yes. I'm allowing him to keep it.

[Smuz]

Would this be acceptable?

[perdedor99]

Would this be acceptable?

Sorry to be a jerk, as always, but for the Ottomans to have control of the Balkans the POD have to be at least in the 1820's at the latest.

[luakel]

Would this be acceptable?
Well You Can have Serbia and Bosnia, and some of Croatia too (though i'd like to keep Kosovo and Montenegro), but can I have southern Greece (you can keep Salonki)?

[Othniel]

it might be hard without pre-borders Glen...
...Oth I really cant loose that much. There's no point in it if its just a Maximillian Mexico...are you SURE you have to play that? Why not take everything about it, but put it into a Louisiana, or something. PLEASE???this'll be the only ME I can play it in as MBarry ALWAYS claims the US in whole...
Ok, Aussey I'll pull out, but you have to make a concession. California is an indepedant Republic that opposes your Empire every chance they get. I'm trying to keep the areas from being overwhealmed and assimulated, plus I'd like to see how you play against yourself..

[reformer]

Is it OK for me to have a mcuh weaker US?

[Othniel]

Would this be acceptable?
Bulgaria and Romania aren't part of the Ottoman Empire at the PODs your talking about (for that mater Egypt left in 1912). Serbia would be independant as well.

[luakel]

Bulgaria and Romania aren't part of the Ottoman Empire at the PODs your talking about (for that mater Egypt left in 1912). Serbia would be independant as well.
Can Serbia be a puppet of me including Bosnia then?

[Othniel]

Is it OK for me to have a mcuh weaker US?
How much weaker? Since I'm supposing to fit in with the POD the South was stripped from the US during the war of 1812 then it wouldn't be much different than Nomadic's tl and with Canada to the North do you want to lose it? Weak enough not to be able to enter World War 1, but rather a witness or on the lossing side? Sure.

[Othniel]

Can Serbia be a puppet of me including Bosnia then?
Sure, that's plausible.

[luakel]

Sure, that's plausible.
I think we should let Smuz have Bulgaria, Macedonia, and the Salonki area of Greece though, I promised him that.

[reformer]

No, following a much more original TL, one which you've read many times. Its a full US, though I'm fully suspecting to loose some land. It is just weak politically, devided into a five party system where the elections are heled in congressional coalitions. You may remember that I posted the TL.

[Othniel]

I think we should let Smuz have Bulgaria, Macedonia, and the Salonki area of Greece though, I promised him that.
He would have to reconquer Bulgaria. I'll wait until I see your tls to detrimine your real boundaries. :D

[Othniel]

No, following a much more original TL, one which you've read many times. Its a full US, though I'm fully suspecting to loose some land. It is just weak politically, devided into a five party system where the elections are heled in congressional coalitions. You may remember that I posted the TL.
I remeber that one. :rolleyes: Though I might not agree with it It's strong enough.

[Smuz]

Care to explain why they couldn't have won it in the Great War? A more competent general and other developments mean they hold more territory when Russia backs out of the war (in this timeline), and Germany and Austria may be happy to let their second-rate ally rebuild this war-torn region in exchange for oil from Iraq. The Ottomans don't so much win as lose second, but the British seem less angry with no Albanian genocide (which was partly a function of the need to supress pro-Russian partisans) and no lawrence of Arabia calling for independence of the peoples of the Empire. With the Ottomans' control of the the Suez canal as well as a large proportion of the world's oil, the European powers are willing to let the Empire stand, and this includes letting the (perhaps over-acquisitive) peace treaty with the Russians stand, by and large. The Russian's are also pacified by the Ottomans' opening of the straits to Russian trade without prohibitive tarriffs once Russia leaves the war.

The Ottoman genial treatment of their Balkan subjects (Mehmed VI's pronunciation in 1917 that "I am as much the Patriarch as I am the Caliph" was to set at least the nominal imperial policy, referred to by pro-Ottoman Lawrence of Arabia (who hung about the Middle East for a short period post war, and travelled through war-torn Europe in preference to travelling home by the quicker sea route) as "subjects, not serfs" was rewarded with the actions of Balkan raised, predominantly Christian regiments in suppressing Arab and Turk nationalist uprisings in the post war period.

Of course, those taking Russia or other European nations may feel free to dispute this...
Those responsible for

[Othniel]

Care to explain why they couldn't have won it in the Great War? A more competent general and other developments mean they hold more territory when Russia backs out of the war (in this timeline), and Germany and Austria may be happy to let their second-rate ally rebuild this war-torn region in exchange for oil from Iraq. The Ottomans don't so much win as lose second, but the British seem less angry with no Albanian genocide (which was partly a function of the need to supress pro-Russian partisans) and no lawrence of Arabia calling for independence of the peoples of the Empire. With the Ottomans' control of the the Suez canal as well as a large proportion of the world's oil, the European powers are willing to let the Empire stand, and this includes letting the (perhaps over-acquisitive) peace treaty with the Russians stand, by and large. The Russian's are also pacified by the Ottomans' opening of the straits to Russian trade without prohibitive tarriffs once Russia leaves the war.

The Ottoman genial treatment of their Balkan subjects (Mehmed VI's pronunciation in 1917 that "I am as much the Patriarch as I am the Caliph" was to set at least the nominal imperial policy, referred to by pro-Ottoman Lawrence of Arabia (who hung about the Middle East for a short period post war, and travelled through war-torn Europe in preference to travelling home by the quicker sea route) as "subjects, not serfs" was rewarded with the actions of Balkan raised, predominantly Christian regiments in suppressing Arab and Turk nationalist uprisings in the post war period.

Of course, those taking Russia or other European nations may feel free to dispute this...
Those responsible for
I think they were on the same side.

[Imajin]

Does Imajin still claim Genoa?
Of course... Genoa, a few Pacific Islands (Expand it to include all those Pacific Island nations (Kiribati, Tuvalu, Tonga, etc.) and French Polynesia?) and some islands in the Carribean...
Obviously I'm poised to dominated LiME... :p

[luakel]

He would have to reconquer Bulgaria. I'll wait until I see your tls to detrimine your real boundaries. :D
What d'you mean by tls?
I was actually thinking about trying to get Constaninople myself once the game starts after dealing with the "Genoese Problem." :D

[luakel]

Of course... Genoa, a few Pacific Islands (Expand it to include all those Pacific Island nations (Kiribati, Tuvalu, Tonga, etc.) and French Polynesia?) and some islands in the Carribean...
Obviously I'm poised to dominated LiME... :p
Can I pwease have Genoa? I'll give you everything you've ever wanted: money, power, and loads of free porn! :p

[Othniel]

What d'you mean by tls?
I was actually thinking about trying to get Constaninople myself once the game starts after dealing with the "Genoese Problem." :D
Timelines. Besides it's suppose to be a bit more diplomatic, the world war 2 being at the end.

[Imajin]

What d'you mean by tls?
I was actually thinking about trying to get Constaninople myself once the game starts after dealing with the "Genoese Problem." :D
TLS is an awful disease... No, wait, it's short for Timelines, that is, the history of your nation...

What Genoese Problem? Surely Liguria isn't that important to Italy...

[luakel]

Care to explain why they couldn't have won it in the Great War? A more competent general and other developments mean they hold more territory when Russia backs out of the war (in this timeline), and Germany and Austria may be happy to let their second-rate ally rebuild this war-torn region in exchange for oil from Iraq. The Ottomans don't so much win as lose second, but the British seem less angry with no Albanian genocide (which was partly a function of the need to supress pro-Russian partisans) and no lawrence of Arabia calling for independence of the peoples of the Empire. With the Ottomans' control of the the Suez canal as well as a large proportion of the world's oil, the European powers are willing to let the Empire stand, and this includes letting the (perhaps over-acquisitive) peace treaty with the Russians stand, by and large. The Russian's are also pacified by the Ottomans' opening of the straits to Russian trade without prohibitive tarriffs once Russia leaves the war.

The Ottoman genial treatment of their Balkan subjects (Mehmed VI's pronunciation in 1917 that "I am as much the Patriarch as I am the Caliph" was to set at least the nominal imperial policy, referred to by pro-Ottoman Lawrence of Arabia (who hung about the Middle East for a short period post war, and travelled through war-torn Europe in preference to travelling home by the quicker sea route) as "subjects, not serfs" was rewarded with the actions of Balkan raised, predominantly Christian regiments in suppressing Arab and Turk nationalist uprisings in the post war period.

Of course, those taking Russia or other European nations may feel free to dispute this...
Those responsible for

I just want Greece. :)

[reformer]

With the strong personalities of TR and Billy Bryan, it is possible. Unlikely, but possible. It will be fun to play a devided government which changes sides every two years. Of course, it will have some consistency. Will you let my Britihs East India Company have Oman and Singapore? They were both under company controll.

Could someone come up with an updated map? Lota changes recently.

[Othniel]

I just want Greece. :)
Which was also independant at the time.... :p I'll love to hear how you guys justify your claims when I open up the posting thread.

[luakel]

TLS is an awful disease... No, wait, it's short for Timelines, that is, the history of your nation...

What Genoese Problem? Surely Liguria isn't that important to Italy...
Of course it is! Il Duce wants every Italian to live a happy, free life under his glorious dictato-, um, ah, I mean democracy. :)

[luakel]

Where do we post tls?

[reformer]

Yes, could we please start posting countries. . .

[Othniel]

Just writ it up and save it for Tuesday when that gets unlocked.

[luakel]

Just writ it up and save it for Tuesday when that gets unlocked.
What time on Tuesday?

[Smuz]

Bulgaria and Romania aren't part of the Ottoman Empire at the PODs your talking about (for that mater Egypt left in 1912). Serbia would be independant as well.

Egypt did indeed leave. And was re-conquered in the 1919-27 actions against Arab nationalists, coinciding with similar actions against the "Young Turks", which eventually flourished into full war (and, incidentally, aligned the Ottomans against the French in the post-war sides taking, given the pan-Arabist francophilia). Omar I drew the line at invading the land of Mecca and Medina, but the threat of incursion was sufficient to cause the withdrawal of the Sultan's support for nationalist fighters.

Serbia is yours, and someone can modify the map accordingly. Greece can be yours, I look forwards to the Greeks fighting for independence from the Italians as vigorously as they fought Ottomans OTL. Incidentally, why did the Italians get land post-war? I think American/League of Nations "self-determination" may be non-existant/ignored in this ATL.

[Othniel]

What time on Tuesday?
Whenever a mod is around.

[perdedor99]

Care to explain why they couldn't have won it in the Great War? A more competent general and other developments mean they hold more territory when Russia backs out of the war (in this timeline), and Germany and Austria may be happy to let their second-rate ally rebuild this war-torn region in exchange for oil from Iraq. The Ottomans don't so much win as lose second, but the British seem less angry with no Albanian genocide (which was partly a function of the need to supress pro-Russian partisans) and no lawrence of Arabia calling for independence of the peoples of the Empire. With the Ottomans' control of the the Suez canal as well as a large proportion of the world's oil, the European powers are willing to let the Empire stand, and this includes letting the (perhaps over-acquisitive) peace treaty with the Russians stand, by and large. The Russian's are also pacified by the Ottomans' opening of the straits to Russian trade without prohibitive tarriffs once Russia leaves the war.

The Ottoman genial treatment of their Balkan subjects (Mehmed VI's pronunciation in 1917 that "I am as much the Patriarch as I am the Caliph" was to set at least the nominal imperial policy, referred to by pro-Ottoman Lawrence of Arabia (who hung about the Middle East for a short period post war, and travelled through war-torn Europe in preference to travelling home by the quicker sea route) as "subjects, not serfs" was rewarded with the actions of Balkan raised, predominantly Christian regiments in suppressing Arab and Turk nationalist uprisings in the post war period.

Of course, those taking Russia or other European nations may feel free to dispute this...
Those responsible for


Sorry for being a jerk again, but no way the Central Powers let you get what you asked in case of a winning WW1. First Bulgaria was independent and a member of the Central Powers and they will have a say in that case. Also the Austrians will have a say after conquering Serbia, Montenegro and Albania and being told to give the area to the Turks? Just change the POD to pre-1820 and defeat the greek rebellion. Also the British administrated Egypt since the 1870's, so as I say. You need to change your POD to get the territories you want.

[reformer]

So um. . . all good with taking Oman? I feel like I'm intruding and all, but I'd like it to iclude Nepal as well. Major power.

[luakel]

Whenever a mod is around.
Which would be? :p
BTW, I'll try and write up a short history later tonight.

[Othniel]

As for my claims:
Communard France has:
France, Monaco, East Switzerland, and the French speaking part of Beligium minus the Luxembourg county part, and Ireland.

And for the heck of it I'm joining Equador, Peru and Boliva into one nation.

[luakel]

Sorry for being a jerk again, but no way the Central Powers let you get what you asked in case of a winning WW1. First Bulgaria was independent and a member of the Central Powers and they will have a say in that case. Also the Austrians will have a say after conquering Serbia, Montenegro and Albania and being told to give the area to the Turks? Just change the POD to pre-1820 and defeat the greek rebellion. Also the British administrated Egypt since the 1870's, so as I say. You need to change your POD to get the territories you want.
I was going to take Greece...

[luakel]

As for my claims:
Communard France has:
France, Monaco, East Switzerland, and the French speaking part of Beligium minus the Luxembourg county part, and Ireland.

And for the heck of it I'm joining Equador, Peru and Boliva into one nation.
Could I have Nice and Savoy?
Imajin, I look forward to negotiations after Il Duce discovers that the homeland of his Country's founder (Nappy) has declared independence. :p Can you be from a different tl than me so I can play that out?

[Imajin]

As for my claims:
Communard France has:
France, Monaco, East Switzerland, and the French speaking part of Beligium minus the Luxembourg county part, and Ireland.

And for the heck of it I'm joining Equador, Peru and Boliva into one nation.
Free Monaco!

[Imajin]

Imajin, I look forward to negotiations after Il Duce discovers that the homeland of his Country's founder (Nappy) has declared independence. :p Can you be from a different tl than me so I can play that out?
Was the Republic of Genoa declared restored at the Congress of Vienna in your TL? If not, then it must be a different one. :p

[perdedor99]

Egypt did indeed leave. And was re-conquered in the 1919-27 actions against Arab nationalists, coinciding with similar actions against the "Young Turks", which eventually flourished into full war (and, incidentally, aligned the Ottomans against the French in the post-war sides taking, given the pan-Arabist francophilia). Omar I drew the line at invading the land of Mecca and Medina, but the threat of incursion was sufficient to cause the withdrawal of the Sultan's support for nationalist fighters.



Sorry again but need to change them to victory in WW1 for the Central Powers if you want Egypt back. No way in 1919 you can have them back if you don't want to face the wrath of the British Empire, do not matter how nice theywere to you in regard to the Arabian peninsula.

[Othniel]

Could I have Nice and Savoy?
Imajin, I look forward to negotiations after Il Duce discovers that the homeland of his Country's founder (Nappy) has declared independence. :p Can you be from a different tl than me so I can play that out?
You can lay claims to them, but as it appears your country is much bigger than mine, so my claims would superceed yours.

[luakel]

Was the Republic of Genoa declared restored at the Congress of Vienna in your TL? If not, then it must be a different one. :p
Nope.
It never existed in mine. :p

[luakel]

You can lay claims to them, but as it appears your country is much bigger than mine, so my claims would superceed yours.
Well, you can have them then, I don't care.

[reformer]

Strange detailed fight over very small worthless pieces of land, hello newbies: Welcome to mosaic earth.

[Imajin]

Nope.
It never existed in mine. :p
Never Existed? How early is your POD? The Republic of Genoa was around for centuries before the POD Limit, after all...

[Smuz]

Hmmm... I'd assumed the Allies won. If not, then why would the British be in a position to dictate Egypt?

If they did win, then all I've said seems true- the Ottoman's did better in WWI, and conquered some of the territory (rather than Austria).

[Imajin]

Who do you mean by the Allies? It's often used to describe the Entente Powers, normally Central Powers is used for the Triple Alliance (Germany, Austria-Hungary, and that traitor Italy)

Why is the countries thread closed?

[reformer]

Its Tuesday in like five hours. . . there won't be any more newbies. . . open up the threads!!!

[Smuz]

Entente powers. Ottomans in this TL being allied to the Central Powers.

[Aussey]

Ok, Aussey I'll pull out, but you have to make a concession. California is an indepedant Republic that opposes your Empire every chance they get. I'm trying to keep the areas from being overwhealmed and assimulated, plus I'd like to see how you play against yourself..

My department? Or can the Northwest coast be a republic? Or are you talking about Lower California? :p

*gag* REPUBLIC? Cant it be like a Central African Empire :rolleyes:
I guess I can deal, but they cant like, win wars....it'd be like OTL 1965 Cuba vs. USA...heh...but I will play fair though...Cali wont be an evil country, it'll be, different, from Mexico.

BTW- How about Sierra Madre in ME9? We could have an 1800s PoD??? I'll take a totally random country in ME9...depending on the PoD, maybe my ME5 Mexico? hahaha

[reformer]

I'm getting confused. . . someone post a map. . .

[reformer]

What are the non ISOTed areas gonna be? OTL?

[Imajin]

What are the non ISOTed areas gonna be? OTL?
1800 from a TL where the French Revolution created a limited monarchy.

Which leads to the question: Who runs the nations of this TL?

[perdedor99]

Hmmm... I'd assumed the Allies won. If not, then why would the British be in a position to dictate Egypt?

If they did win, then all I've said seems true- the Ottoman's did better in WWI, and conquered some of the territory (rather than Austria).

Them if the allies won in WW1 you are not getting Egypt. Has been under the British administration since 1870's and if they won they are not letting you get there. All I'm saying is you need to change your POD to get the areas you want. You don't even have borders with Greece in 1914. Bulgaria, one of your allies was on the way. Jus change the POD.

[Othniel]

My department? Or can the Northwest coast be a republic? Or are you talking about Lower California? :p

*gag* REPUBLIC? Cant it be like a Central African Empire :rolleyes:
I guess I can deal, but they cant like, win wars....it'd be like OTL 1965 Cuba vs. USA...heh...but I will play fair though...Cali wont be an evil country, it'll be, different, from Mexico.

BTW- How about Sierra Madre in ME9? We could have an 1800s PoD??? I'll take a totally random country in ME9...depending on the PoD, maybe my ME5 Mexico? hahaha
I mean it at least has to at least include San Diego. I'm sorry, but whomever controls California controls the Pacific.

[NomadicSky]

Since I can't play Georgia
How 'bout this
Founded on March 2,1836

[Imajin]

It looks like Aussey's Mexico is going to be limited to simply OTL Mexico- and maybe not even that.

[luakel]

Well, I'm off to write the history of the Italian Republic, 1808-1927.
BTW, what should happen to my citizens in the Genoese area?

[NomadicSky]

I claim three nations
The Republic of Canada (http://alternatehistory.com/Discussion/showthread.php?t=17710)
The Texas I just posted
And
The German Empire (http://alternatehistory.com/Discussion/showthread.php?t=16539)

[Imajin]

Well, I'm off to write the history of the Italian Republic, 1808-1927.
BTW, what should happen to my citizens in the Genoese area?
The citizens in the Genoese Area simply aren't brought along with the rest of your nation. In some Mosaic Earth game, though, military personnel from those areas would appear in empty beds in your Capital... Only sometimes though, you'd have to ask Othniel as he's running the thing.

[DuQuense]

I was thinking of having Spain become an Italian puppet at some point in the 19th Century, maybe the Napoleonic Wars would be a good POD?

1804 Napoleon founds Kingdom of Italy Joesph as King, Murat as king of Naples

1806, Napoleon deposes Louis of Spain putting Joesph in as King, Spanish rebellion starts.

1809 Napoleon enters Spain with Grande Armiee, Defeats Wellington outside Lisbon. Joesph made king of Italy and Spain.

1812 no invasion of Russia.

1820 Murat dies, Kingdom of Italy and Spain expanded to include Naples

Vi La. a Unified [sort of] Italian Spain.

[Aussey]

Well, I want THIS Mexico...

[NomadicSky]

And I want this Texas
And why does your Mexico have a Lone Star City?

[Imajin]

And I want this Texas
And why does your Mexico have a Lone Star City?
It's almost like he edited your map or something... :p

[luakel]

Can I have Trieste, Nomadic Sky?

[NomadicSky]

I also have this Texas maybe I should claim them both?

[DuQuense]

I] Can I have Puerto Rico added to my Cuba.

2] I suggest the GF and P99 not claim any areas, In return Whe give them all the NC 1800's areas. {they are soooo good with them}

[NomadicSky]

Can I have Trieste, Nomadic Sky?
I am kinda selfish with three nations (maybe four evil laugh)
You don't need to ask me just lay a claim on Trieste
Is that your nation? Or is it part of Italy or Austria?
I'm sure my German Empire is going to be chopped up
Just make you claim public luakel

[Aussey]

no fair! I claimed THIS Mexico first, and when the mods edit it, I want more than just OTL Mexico. Behold! The Federated Mexican Empire (or Federal Empire of Mexico)

[luakel]

I am kinda selfish with three nations (maybe four evil laugh)
You don't need to ask me just lay a claim on Trieste
Is that your nation? Or is it part of Italy or Austria?
I'm sure my German Empire is going to be chopped up
Just make you claim public luakel
Ok, is this better:
ANYBODY WHO CLAIMS TRIESTE IS GOING TO GET KILL BY MWA WITH A BUZZSAW :mad: :mad: :mad: ?
:D

[Matt]

no fair! I claimed THIS Mexico first, and when the mods edit it, I want more than just OTL Mexico. Behold! The Federated Mexican Empire (or Federal Empire of Mexico)


Give it to nomadicsky Aus, he's the newb after all :P

[Aussey]

Give it to nomadicsky Aus, he's the newb after all :P

Oh yeah! I forgot I had South Africa...whoops....anyhow, my ME8 -or- ME9 nation will be my Mexican Empire, but with the history of my ME5 Mexico which I spent an hour finding (why did I condense it to one thread?) heh...anyhow....BACK TO WORK

[Matt]

Oh yeah! I forgot I had South Africa...whoops....anyhow, my ME8 -or- ME9 nation will be my Mexican Empire, but with the history of my ME5 Mexico which I spent an hour finding (why did I condense it to one thread?) heh...anyhow....BACK TO WORK


Aus you soooo crazy!!

[NomadicSky]

I thought in Mosasic Earth people lay claims land will be lost
Nations will fight over these lands
Don't worry Aussey I'm not going to claim the grey Reublic of Texas just the pink one
Maybe you should also claim your Louisiana

[NomadicSky]

I might drop the other two rather than fight about it...maybe

[Imajin]

I might drop the other two rather than fight about it...maybe
I don't think there are any problems with Germany... why drop that one? It seems like it has the potential to dominate Europe (Though admittedly most of Europe is unclaimed 1800)

[DuQuense]

I don't think there are any problems with Germany... why drop that one? It seems like it has the potential to dominate Europe (Though admittedly most of Europe is unclaimed 1800)

So Our WW2 will Have something to do with Germany and a [Unnamed Sea mammal :rolleyes: ]Invading Regency England , and the RN :D [Republic Navy] trying to stop them. :p

[Aussey]

Just to be safe...for more land for you three mods to mess around with, I'll take my Mexican Empire and all of availiable Central American. Federated Mexican Empire... :D

[Imajin]

Just to be safe...for more land for you three mods to mess around with, I'll take my Mexican Empire and all of availiable Central American. Federated Mexican Empire... :D
Just as long as you don't interfere with my West Indies...

[luakel]

Just as long as you don't interfere with my West Indies...
What about your Genoa?

[Imajin]

What about your Genoa?
I'd prefer Mexico didn't interfere with that either...

And that goes for Italy too :p
Actually, I suppose it makes sense for Italy to try to get Genoa back- Just don't expect it to be easy (unlike when I fought a war in the region in SME- and the Corsican-Italian War was fought in a thread called "The Path To Genoa" as well...)

[luakel]

I'd prefer Mexico didn't interfere with that either...

And that goes for Italy too :p
Actually, I suppose it makes sense for Italy to try to get Genoa back- Just don't expect it to be easy (unlike when I fought a war in the region in SME- and the Corsican-Italian War was fought in a thread called "The Path To Genoa" as well...)
Yes, but I have an army founded by Nappy's generals! :)
BTW, how d'you fight battles?

[Glen]

Yes, but I have an army founded by Nappy's generals! :)
BTW, how d'you fight battles?

Badly. ;) Really, you just post your strategy, numbers and arms on a battle thread and either you and your opponent agree to the results or have a mod or disinterested third party determine the result.

[Diamond]

Can we get a map of claimed territories? :confused:

[Mayhem]

Argle. This is what happens when I wait a whole day...

Can we please add to my Imperial Japan, Manchuria?

TL-wise, I'm thinking Japanese direct involvement in WW1, keeping the Anglo-Japanese Alliance, and USA keeps out of the war. This should allow some finicking around to have the Japs keep big chunks of China and be in naval control of the Pacific, yeah? How plausible is it for Japan to be sending troops to Europe anyway? (Other than the ANZACS they helped ship over).

[Mayhem]

Argle. This is what happens when I wait a whole day...

Can we please add to my Imperial Japan, Manchuria?

TL-wise, I'm thinking Japanese direct involvement in WW1, keeping the Anglo-Japanese Alliance, and USA keeps out of the war. This should allow some finicking around to have the Japs keep big chunks of China and be in naval control of the Pacific, yeah? How plausible is it for Japan to be sending troops to Europe anyway? (Other than the ANZACS they helped ship over).

[Lauranthalas]

May I claim Australia, New Zealand and all of New Guinea + small islands lying in there like the solomons and french polynesia and so on?

[luakel]

Badly. ;) Really, you just post your strategy, numbers and arms on a battle thread and either you and your opponent agree to the results or have a mod or disinterested third party determine the result.
Why don't we just use the rolls from Risk?
Argggh-Ones Again!?! :p

[luakel]

BTW, can I have Algeria and Chad as well?

[Glen]

How about a split ISOT for this area, since the two countries are roughly equal in size?

[Othniel]

I also have this Texas maybe I should claim them both?
That one looks just like the Republica de Sierra Madre that suceeded from Mexico in my no Loiusanne Purchase. (Same North Boundaries anyways) Great Minds think a like I guess... :p

[luakel]

So can I have Algeria?
I need it for a trade that I'm thinking about.

[Othniel]

Sure, you can have Algiers. :p Striping away the French Empire I see you people are...oh well I have enough power in France. Also Reformer you do release you can still play as the Netherlands.

[luakel]

I'm going to claim Brazil, Angola, Madagascar, and Mosq... well you should know what I mean. I'm going to save Portugal's colonies and form the Portugal Commonwealth, without portugal.
Are you going to have any of the French Empire?

[luakel]

Sure, you can have Algiers. :p Striping away the French Empire I see you people are...oh well I have enough power in France. Also Reformer you do release you can still play as the Netherlands.
Well, you have made France into a country of FILTHY RED COMMIES!!!

[Othniel]

Are you going to have any of the French Empire?
Just Gaudelope. :D

[Othniel]

Well, you have made France into a country of FILTHY RED COMMIES!!!
Communards, thank you very much. It's more of a Social Democracy than a Communist Utopia. Very Progressive. Like TR. :D

[luakel]

Communards, thank you very much. It's more of a Social Democracy than a Communist Utopia. Very Progressive. Like TR. :D
Damn.
So you're saying that France is a free country under you?
So much for invading to help the French people "overthrow their corrupt rulers..." :p

[luakel]

Just Gaudelope. :D
What about Morroco?

[Othniel]

Damn.
So you're saying that France is a free country under you?
So much for invading to help the French people "overthrow their corrupt rulers..." :p
It's under the Central Commitee, Which has a president elected every two years. The body gaurd is loyal to the Commitee which makes sure the President leaves office when its time.

[Othniel]

What about Morroco?
Try to keep from Annexing all of Africa. :p

[Aussey]

I agree to the yellow Mexico... :)

[reformer]

Yah, I'll take the Netherlands, Belgium, and Luzemburf. This sin't going to be a Dutch Republic, this will be The Free Liberal Kingodom of Flanders, and a satelite of a Napoleon III France type thing. Could I have, as connected with this country, Madagascar, some of French North Africa (just some costal territory) and all of French Guiana, Guyana, and Suriname? These will be places more or less under Flemish colonial controll, though apart of the French Empire.

[Othniel]

People its time to post your countries. The threads are open for pre-event posting as well. Tommorrow at 12 Pacific, 3 Eastern the game will start.

[Othniel]

Oh, and if you hold territory right now there is no more claiming allowed. If you do not currently hold any territory you are welecome to claim.

[Glen]

Oth, I hate to say this but I find your nation where it has the French Communard movement spreading to Switzerland and then the French parts of Switzerland breaking off to join France a bit implausible. You'd be better off with an outright invasion and annexation of those bits, though I somehow have trouble seeing that as well.

And while Ireland could go communard, what the heck is the explanation for Scotland trying to break off at this late date? Is it based on Great Britain losing in WWI? Something I find again a bit implausible here....

Just my 2 cents....

[Othniel]

Oth, I hate to say this but I find your nation where it has the French Communard movement spreading to Switzerland and then the French parts of Switzerland breaking off to join France a bit implausible. You'd be better off with an outright invasion and annexation of those bits, though I somehow have trouble seeing that as well.

And while Ireland could go communard, what the heck is the explanation for Scotland trying to break off at this late date? Is it based on Great Britain losing in WWI? Something I find again a bit implausible here....

Just my 2 cents....
The Communard movement got mixed in with the Irish national movement.

[Glen]

The Communard movement got mixed in with the Irish national movement.

Right! I don't have any problems with that, but the Swiss and Scot parts?

[Othniel]

Right! I don't have any problems with that, but the Swiss and Scot parts?
I'll remove the Swiss part as they are rather free. The Scotish aren't coming along either, but I figured that was a fairly loose communitee. I had Marx gathering up Revolutionary Forces in Scotland to attempt and revolutionize Europe. Those were beaten and many of those fled to Ireland to aid in the reconsturtion. Lucky for me Marx dies soon after in my tl. (although he had to last a bit longer in order to do so...)

[Glen]

Here is a link to a suggestion I made for a Lettow-Vorbeck run Central African Republic based on the premise that Germany WON WWI, LV was made a military governor of German Central Africa, but then during an earlier Great Depression there is a Communist Revolution in Germany and LV breaks away and forms a Central African Republic. I'd play it myself but no time, so if any newbie (or maybe DQ?) would like to play it in LiME feel free....Just do the Republic proud!

http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showpost.php?p=250334&postcount=230

[Othniel]

Anyone want to try their luck at drawing my flag?

[Aussey]

eh...here Othneil....(and I broke Napoleon's scepter myself...this was the best eagle I could find, and the hat was to hard to color, but I thought it looked cool white....)