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Aussey
July 13th, 2005, 05:07 PM
Here's my proposal...again...everyone post theirs :D


Sultanate of Nordestan (British Protectorate):
When it's independence was proclaimed, shortly after the Skandistani Wars of Division, Nordestan was placed under Great Britain as a protectorate and mandate. The mandatory terms were defined by a treaty between England and Iraq in 1891. The administrative power rests with the Sultan and his Cabinet who are guided by the British High Commissioner's advice. The legislative body consists of a nominated Senate and an elected Lower House.

Autonomous Grand Duchy of Danestan:
A voting member of the German Confederation. However the Parliament and Kaiser have no control over the Grand Duchy. The Head of State is a grand duke, appointed by the Kaiser. The Head of Government is the Prime Vizier (Prime Minister.) Danestan reserves the right to withdraw from the Confederation after modernization has occured. The judge of the said modernizing is the Kaiser, of course.

Caliphate of Sverigestan:
Sverigestan is under the protection of Austria. The ruler is the Caliph, nominally an abdsolute despot, but administering the government with the advice of the Austrian Resident-General in all(or most) matters. The Caliph is also the absolute head of the religion

--or--

Sverigestan is under the control of an Austrian High Commissioner, and a Caliph, who is chosen by the National Assembly of Sverigestan from two candidates named by the Austrian government.

Territory of Lappstan:
Representative government granted 1890, responsible government established 1893. Created self-governing dominion in 1895. Executive powers vested in a Governor (either the King of Karelia or an appointee), with an Executive Council. Legislative affairs under control of the Legislative Council and House of Assembly (Taken from government of the dominion of Newfoundland)

--or--

The whole territory is under civil government. The chief executive is the Governor-General, under whom are Secretaries of 6 executive department, all Lappstanis except the Secretary of Public Instruction, who is also Vice-Governor, and who, like the Governor-General, is appointed by the King of Karelia and confirmed by the Karelian Parliament. The Departments are: Interior, Finance, Justice, Agriculture and Natural Resources, Commerce and Communication, and Public Instruction.
The Legistalture compromises of two houses: a Senate and a House of Deputies. Both houses are elcted, excepting 9 deptuties and 2 senators appointed by the Governor-Geneal to represent certain "special" provinces. Each province has a Governor, elected in moss cases, who, with two other members, forms to governing Board.



OOC: How are these?

Condottiero
July 13th, 2005, 05:18 PM
The Emirs as Skandistanians oppose to any partition to their nation... as individuals and candidates to the Caliphal crown the could reach eventually agreements with foreign powers.

However, I warn you that anyone entering Skandistan is going to face the hostility of the population and guerrilla activities. The SLO (Skandistanian Liberation Organization) will appear, well, maybe there could be also a FLS (Front for the Liberation of Skandistan). The FLS hates most than anybody the British, perhaps they hate more the SLO. Then we have the SCA (Skandistanian Caliphal Army) that considers as the most despisable beings the Karelians, the FLS and the SLO militants... This starts to be a bit confusing and familiar to me!

Aussey
July 13th, 2005, 05:20 PM
Whatever, I tried...as long as the Austro-"Swedish" alliance continues...you just asked for an attempt at partioing skandistan last night, so I thought you were seriously thinking of ending the civl war, and modernizing your nation (s)

Condottiero
July 13th, 2005, 05:21 PM
Whatever, I tried...as long as the Austro-"Swedish" alliance continues...you just asked for an attempt at partioing skandistan last night, so I thought you were seriously thinking of ending the civl war, and modernizing your nation (s)
Sure, it is just I am speaking as a Skandistanian, not as an ASB. I think it is a great idea dividing it this way. Again it will lead to conflict. That is fun!!

Maybe I should write in different colours when I speak as a nation, or as an ASB. :rolleyes:

Imajin
July 13th, 2005, 05:24 PM
Why would there be Skandistani guerilla movements that hate the Karelians? I mean, we only launched an unjustified attack on their capital, and then intervened in their civil war, and expelled a bunch of them from their homes... I dont see where the hatred is coming from.

Condottiero
July 13th, 2005, 05:25 PM
Why would there be Skandistani guerilla movements that hate the Karelians? I mean, we only launched an unjustified attack on their capital, and then intervened in their civil war, and expelled a bunch of them from their homes... I dont see where the hatred is coming from.
It is because you are zionists allied to the FLS!!!

It would be fun if all the nations involved in the partition created their guerrilla groups in other nations areas! What a headache!!

Imajin
July 13th, 2005, 09:07 PM
It is because you are zionists allied to the FLS!
Zionists? :confused: But Persia has the Holy Land :D

Lappstan will be allowed to hold a referendum in 1900 as to whether they wish to remain an independent territory or be incorporated into the United Kingdom of Karelia & Lappland.

A random thought on Lappstan... Is it dominated by the (Muslim) Sami, or has it been colonized enough by the Skandistanis that they are the majority?

perdedor99
July 14th, 2005, 01:25 AM
i guess the German invasion will unleash the future of Skandistan and mighty Albion has spoken. they agree to everything except the Karelians won't reach the North Sea. Must likely will happen. An invasion followed by the Persians and the Drakans leaving as soon as the shooting starts. Them all hell break loose while factions try to gain some advantage with the destruction of the strongest of the factions by the Germans. I put my money in the Swedish one. 50,000 trained soldiers are a very big force indeed.

Condottiero
July 14th, 2005, 08:09 AM
Zionists? :confused: But Persia has the Holy Land :D



A random thought on Lappstan... Is it dominated by the (Muslim) Sami, or has it been colonized enough by the Skandistanis that they are the majority?
No, they are Sami with an Skandistanian ruling Elite. The Karelians could expel the Skandistanians keeping the (muslim) sami population.

Imajin
July 15th, 2005, 02:46 AM
Hm... a question. Let's say this leads to some sort of formal division of Skandistan... Now, Karelia is in occupation of an area that stretches to the North Sea- Let's for example go by Aussey's first map. (http://alternatehistory.com/discussion/showpost.php?p=248775&postcount=271) Now, in this map, Karelia is in occupation of parts of the North Sea Coast. Now, would Britain invade this region to prevent it from falling into Karelian hands? (Or of a subserviant Lappstan state?)

Aussey
July 15th, 2005, 02:50 AM
New plan, showing current Sviergestani occupied zones. Should be agreed by British, as there are no Karelian/Lappstani territories on the Sea.

Imajin
July 15th, 2005, 02:53 AM
No, they are Sami with an Skandistanian ruling Elite. The Karelians could expel the Skandistanians keeping the (muslim) sami population.
Are the Samis in some sort of Serfdom, or is it simply that the Skandistani Elite are in charge, but nothing really as formal as serfdom?

Bulgaroktonos
July 15th, 2005, 03:31 AM
New plan, showing current Sviergestani occupied zones. Should be agreed by British, as there are no Karelian/Lappstani territories on the Sea.

I like that map. The ports up north are small in nature and frozen in winter. Britain has only limited and non-vital objections to such a division plan.

Imajin
July 15th, 2005, 03:34 AM
Would it be acceptable to Britain if the Lappstan in the original plan was created, but as an indepedent state, though with Karelian advisors?

EDIT: And why do the Brits have all those small islands near Karelia? We aren't cedeing them...

Aussey
July 15th, 2005, 03:35 AM
Something you like! Ok...Sviergestan is not under Austrian control, occupancy, or protectorate-ship, though. Just advice! ;)

Bulgaroktonos
July 15th, 2005, 03:35 AM
Would it be acceptable to Britain if the Lappstan in the original plan was created, but as an indepedent state, though with Karelian advisors?

"Independant" I'm sure. Perhaps if you allowed for an equal number of British advisors........

Imajin
July 15th, 2005, 03:36 AM
"Independant" I'm sure. Perhaps if you allowed for an equal number of British advisors........
Do we have to tell them where the Capital is?
Fine, we'll go with the "Territory" without any North Sea coastline...

Aussey
July 15th, 2005, 03:39 AM
Britain said it already had all the islands.

Imajin
July 15th, 2005, 03:41 AM
Britain said it already had all the islands.
Well, last time I checked, the British haven't occupied the islands that ISOTed with Karelia... Indeed, I don't even remember them in Gotland.

Bulgaroktonos
July 15th, 2005, 03:50 AM
Britain said it already had all the islands.

No, we just have a few Islands between Denmark and Sweden. If Skandistan is divided up, we will get a few more of them.....

Condottiero
July 15th, 2005, 08:01 AM
Are the Samis in some sort of Serfdom, or is it simply that the Skandistani Elite are in charge, but nothing really as formal as serfdom?
They were an almost medieval nation... they are serfs.