DIYME: Do It Yourself Mosiac Earth

[Matt]

Here's a fun, quick game for us to do. It's strictly non-committal, so you can post your spiel once and run, or keep up dates on the goings on.

The gist of it is this: You are the ASB!!! You control all aspects of the Mosiac Earth, from the time and tech dates, to the nations you choose to ISOT. Even the base Earth for the Non-ISOT areas! Everything!

[Glen]

Here's a fun, quick game for us to do. It's strictly non-committal, so you can post your spiel once and run, or keep up dates on the goings on.

The gist of it is this: You are the ASB!!! You control all aspects of the Mosiac Earth, from the time and tech dates, to the nations you choose to ISOT. Even the base Earth for the Non-ISOT areas! Everything!

Funny, I was thinking about doing something like this.

Okay, here is the concept: Jigsaw Mosaic Earth. No particular POD. Tech level is 1986. You must post a nation that is ISOTed in its entirety, does not overlap any other nations in the ISOT, and that has a plausible timeline/POD that can explain how those borders are natural. Obviously, the first to post have it easier. You can't claim any more than half of any one continent (though your nation can span more than one continent!). The borders of nations must not be exactly like any nation of 1986 (they must vary in some noticable fashion at some part of the border). And we keep coming up with countries until all the landmasses are filled!

[Othniel]

Brillant! Let's see, for the year I chose 1952. As for the non-ISOTed territories we'll go with an 1800 where the French Revolution ended up in a constutional monarchy under the British model.. Now time to fill the globe with nations. First off the Empire of Paragauy (From PRactice ME), New Ablion (From ME7), and Commune Confederacy of Western Europe (which will be seen at a later date). I will also bring a United States that includes Cuba, along with a *Mosasic Republic of Sierra Madre made up of the Northern part of the Empire of Mexico... both from a timeline without the Loiusanne purchase.

More to come including the discriptions.

[Glen]

Here is the 'official' map for Jigsaw Mosaic Earth. Please post your nations on here. Every person should take the last posted version of this map to add the next countries to.

[Aussey]

I'm confused...do we each make a world, and then choose a country? Or just choose a country? Either way, I want the "Democratic Empire of Iran" and the "Kingdom of Rizza Arabia", and how do I post the map? It's saying that it is too large and I dont know how to make it smaller...

[Matt]

Here's my DIYME. The ISOT date is June 1, 2005 or the approximate tech level. It's a pretty basic one, where I have taken a couple of my favorite ME nations from various games and threw them together one more time. The white blank areas are things that I couldn't figure out yet :(

Everything's working in the same matter as ME6 and ME7. The base world is the world of the Race! circa 1962, or right after the colonization fleet has arrived, but before the war with the Nazi's!

Afghanistan

For amusement factors I ISOT OTL Afghanistan whole into this world.

Canadian Republic

This is Nomadic Sky's Canada from the Practice ME. He's map impressed me so much(and those flags!) that I decided to ISOT for shits and giggles.

Chinese Empire

My favorite TL on this board made the trip, Hendryk's Superpower Empire: China, in all of it's glory. It's lost Taiwain to the Japanese.
Iceland

From Harry Turtledove's WorldWar TL. It's jointly occupied/administrated by the United States and Canada. It's ISOT from 1962.

French Kingdom

Napolean Supreme TL. Include's OTL northren Italy, and Belguim. Lost A/L to Germany

Greece

Bulg's Greece in ME5 & 6

Ireland

Is along for the ride with Britain

Iraq

For the same reasons I ISOTed OTL Iraq with us. This should be fun!


Japanese Empire

Japan takes the Phillipines from Spain, instead of the US.

Karelia

Yup. Has Estonia and Copenhagen as well.

La Plata Republic

ME7's La Plata, cicra 2005. It's lost Paraguay, Uraguay and Hawaii.
New Granda

Glen's nation in ME7, foward a century. Lost Florida to the USA, and most of Nicaragua. It still has it's vital canal, out to 1km of the north side.

Republic of Germany

The Germany I created for almost every ME I've ever been in ;) Closest to the one in ME5. Include's Austria, and East Prussia along with the Danzig corridor.

Skadistan

ME7's nation, ever backwards as always.

Spainish Kingdom

From France's TL. A Bonaparte sits on the throne. France's bitch. Lost Portugal to the Race

Tarrantry

The Island Kingdom from the warship1 boards made the jump here. The ASBs well do some fooling around to prevent ecological diasters.

United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland

As the early tradition for ME was, Great Britain is from OTL, except that is.. from a month ago. ISOT with it are the various South Atlantic Islands, and Diego Garcia.

United States of America

From a Cold War continues TL. Reforms insituted by the Sov's in the late 70s, early 80s put the USSR on life support for another 20 years. It's been doing to it's economy in the same matter as the Chinese have done OTL. The US is similar to OTL, though the conservatives have lost there progical son in Reagan(he doesn't get the credit for the end of the CW). Post-CW cutbacks never happened, but neither did 9-11 or Iraq, so the deficit is actually less.

What can I say, I like my country and I like to exist ;)

United Provinces of Central America

They manage to stay together and thus here they are.

Zaire Republic

The nation played by DQ, and later Glen. I like the flavor of this country so It came along to keep the Race from having all of Africa.

[Matt]

I'm confused...do we each make a world, and then choose a country? Or just choose a country? Either way, I want the "Democratic Empire of Iran" and the "Kingdom of Rizza Arabia", the "Imperial Sultanate of Muskat and Oman" and the "Commonwealth of Greater Palestine" and how do I post the map? It's saying that it is too large and I dont know how to make it smaller...

My intention was for a entire world of your own making, your own ME. So you pick and choose how you would fill the map and post a bit about it. As often or as little as you would like. If you're so inclined you can even go into details of post-ISOT events. Strictly individual effort.


Covert the image to PNG format, you're probably trying to post a bmp or gif.

[Aussey]

Oh...ok...is the whole world supposed to be full?

[Matt]

Whatever you want! I ran out of ideas for most of Russia, the Netherlands and South East Europe. I'll think of something for them later. Non-ISOT areas in my world are from Earth in Harry Turtledove's World War series in 1962.

Forgot to mention, remaining baltics and ukraine are from a CP win WW1 TL and are ruled by German princes. The Race is in Poland.

[Glen]

I'd like people to help collaborate on my Jigsaw Mosaic Earth. No requirement to actually play.

Damn you MBarry! You know I can't leave New Granada and Zaire to the wolves, or the Race!!! Gotta go live real life, but I'll say something about them soon. Blast your eyes, man! You knew I had a dream of seeing them both in the same world at one point, didn't you. Stop reading my mind. Need more tinfoil!

One thing. We will be ruthlessly exploiting our majority of the equator to get a strong foothold in orbit!

BTW, what is that Country in South Africa and Namibia?

[Othniel]

United Provinces of Central America

They manage to stay together and thus here they are.


I'm going out on a limb here, but the UPCA never had the Yuctan. They broke away from Mexico about 1821 and then broke apart in 1847 (I think) They included Costa Rica as its southern boundary, to current day Gautamale in the north. I'd love to hear how it differs in the tl it came from. (Also Belieze was...well British)

[Matt]

Some, as of yet, undefined thing :p.... I didn't want to give the Race all of Africa.

Actually originally I was going to ISOT a surviving British Empire, which included that patch. Then with India and Australia going to the Race, and Canada being independent I dropped the idea, but didn't recolor it.

[Matt]

I'm going out on a limb here, but the UPCA never had the Yuctan. They broke away from Mexico about 1821 and then broke apart in 1847 (I think) They included Costa Rica as its southern boundary, to current day Gautamale in the north. I'd love to hear how it differs in the tl it came from. (Also Belieze was...well British)


SHHHH!!!!!!

It was PM conversations with you that made me include them!

Anyways, at some point the Yucatan remains independent following the Mexican American War, protected by the US. During the ACW, in order to prevent reannexiation by Mexico the Yucatan petitions to join the UPCA. Afterall a federated republic is better then being a pawn of the French.

Belieze was include due to my merciless wraith of the MS Paint eraser.

In reality I decided yesterday to include the Canal for New Granda since they lost Florida, and needed to compensate the UPCA somehow. It seemed like a good way ;)

[reformer]

Wait a sec. . . so we're posting our own worlds, no playing involved? Or will this be some kinda combined thing?

[Matt]

no playing involved. Unless you like making random maps, which is how I got this idea.

Maybe as A/V plains someday though :)

[Imajin]

Alright, here's my go. Moasic North America is only North American nations, the rest of the world is 5000 BC. Tech limit is 2005, but nations can be from any time as long as they don't violate the tech limit. The nations are:

Empire of New Russia
The Russians settle from Alyeska to Oregon. Later, this land, called "New Russia", breaks away from the motherland. It keeps a titular Emperor, but is far more democratic than it's autocratic mother country. Also brought along is Baja California, which belonged to the Mexico Republic, which was a puppet of France, in New Russia's TL.

Inuit Nation
"From the future", so to speak. The Black Plague killed off the entire population of Eurasia and Africa. This is an Inuit-descended nation, which is adapted to life in the frigid Northlands.

Greenland and Vinland
From a Viking Timeline. The Vikings settle Vinland, and hold on to Greenland. All of this land is theoretically under the control of the King of Norway, though are mostly independent. They had large landholdings along the St. Lawrence that have been lost.

Nouiolitawijas
The Celtic Nation in the Americas from SME. I liked it, so it's here.

Republic of Canada
NomadicSky's Republic, which I also liked, so brought most of it along.

Kingdom of Algonquins
King Philip's War is very successful, and the Algonquins force the English out of New England.

Republic of Vermont
The British win the ARW, but the Green Mountain Boys fight on from Vermont and many patriots flee there. The Republic is eventually recognized by Britain.

The USA and the CSA
The Confederates manage to decisively defeat the Union, and force it to give up Maryland and lose West Virginia. The CSA reopens the slave trade eventually, but in 1910, the nation, by now black-majority, is wracked by civil war, and the former slaves seize control of the nation.

Dutch Southwest
ISOTed from the day after ME7 started.

Empire of Mexico
Mexico becomes a powerful nation after it's independence, and stretches from Oregon to Panama. It's lost most of that.

USA/British Honduras/Miskitia
In this TL, the UPCA survived, but was eventually annexed by the United States. However, two British territories are on it's coast, and were not given up ITTL.

Kingdom of New Granada
ISOTed from where we currently are in ME7... What happens now to the remaining parts?

Deseret
A Mormon Theocracy.

[Othniel]

Well here's my rough draft, not quite done yet.

[Matt]

Ahh I see it's the USA that you were talking to me about the other day.

[Othniel]

Yep, I'm putting that in... I also took your advice on the Mexico but rather decided to do a few odd things regarding its members. I will try it out some day, prehaps ME10 or 12.... ;)

[Othniel]

Brillant! Let's see, for the year I chose 1952. As for the non-ISOTed territories we'll go with an 1800 where the French Revolution ended up in a constutional monarchy under the British model.. Now time to fill the globe with nations. First off the Empire of Paragauy (From PRactice ME), New Ablion (From ME7), and Commune Confederacy of Western Europe (which will be seen at a later date). I will also bring a United States that includes Cuba, along with a *Mosasic Republic of Sierra Madre made up of the Northern part of the Empire of Mexico... both from a timeline without the Loiusanne purchase.

More to come including the discriptions.

As for the Map so far:

The Confederation of Labrador and the Kingdom of Canda both come from my Franco-Soldaria timeline.

New Ablion is from ME7.

Sierra Madre and the US come from simular TLs without the Loiusanne purchase, though Sierra Madre is a messed up Republic gathering from several different tls.

Spain-Brittainia is from Harry Turtledove's book.

I'll explain the Dutch angle of that Brazil in a different ME.

France is fun, watch out for it in ME8

Breton is from MEuro, and is its evolution

I believe that is what I wrote so far.

[Glen]

Wow, having chunks of New Granada seems popular in this <g>. I'm touched, really. :D

[Glen]

I'm confused...do we each make a world, and then choose a country? Or just choose a country? Either way, I want the "Democratic Empire of Iran" and the "Kingdom of Rizza Arabia", and how do I post the map? It's saying that it is too large and I dont know how to make it smaller...

Is the file PNG? Save it in Paint as PNG and try. Otherwise, tell us and we'll try and help.

[Glen]

I'm going out on a limb here, but the UPCA never had the Yuctan. They broke away from Mexico about 1821 and then broke apart in 1847 (I think) They included Costa Rica as its southern boundary, to current day Gautamale in the north. I'd love to hear how it differs in the tl it came from. (Also Belieze was...well British)

Actually, the nascent UPCA did in the very beginning have part of the Yucatan. When Mexico briefly conquered the region, they managed to hold onto the Yucatan afterwards.

[Glen]

Alright, here's my go. Moasic North America is only North American nations, the rest of the world is 5000 BC. Tech limit is 2005, but nations can be from any time as long as they don't violate the tech limit. The nations are:

Empire of New Russia
The Russians settle from Alyeska to Oregon. Later, this land, called "New Russia", breaks away from the motherland. It keeps a titular Emperor, but is far more democratic than it's autocratic mother country. Also brought along is Baja California, which belonged to the Mexico Republic, which was a puppet of France, in New Russia's TL.

Inuit Nation
"From the future", so to speak. The Black Plague killed off the entire population of Eurasia and Africa. This is an Inuit-descended nation, which is adapted to life in the frigid Northlands.

Greenland and Vinland
From a Viking Timeline. The Vikings settle Vinland, and hold on to Greenland. All of this land is theoretically under the control of the King of Norway, though are mostly independent. They had large landholdings along the St. Lawrence that have been lost.

Nouiolitawijas
The Celtic Nation in the Americas from SME. I liked it, so it's here.

Republic of Canada
NomadicSky's Republic, which I also liked, so brought most of it along.

Kingdom of Algonquins
King Philip's War is very successful, and the Algonquins force the English out of New England.

Republic of Vermont
The British win the ARW, but the Green Mountain Boys fight on from Vermont and many patriots flee there. The Republic is eventually recognized by Britain.

The USA and the CSA
The Confederates manage to decisively defeat the Union, and force it to give up Maryland and lose West Virginia. The CSA reopens the slave trade eventually, but in 1910, the nation, by now black-majority, is wracked by civil war, and the former slaves seize control of the nation.

Dutch Southwest
ISOTed from the day after ME7 started.

Empire of Mexico
Mexico becomes a powerful nation after it's independence, and stretches from Oregon to Panama. It's lost most of that.

USA/British Honduras/Miskitia
In this TL, the UPCA survived, but was eventually annexed by the United States. However, two British territories are on it's coast, and were not given up ITTL.

Kingdom of New Granada
ISOTed from where we currently are in ME7... What happens now to the remaining parts?

Deseret
A Mormon Theocracy.

Kingdom of New Granada is 1891 tech level and there are nations 2005 level? Who are the most advanced nations tech-wise, and who are the most benign?

[DuQuense]

For the jigsaw earth

Can I have My Austria from ME7 south of Germany, North of Greece extending out to the Black sea. plus Naples /Sicily

[Imajin]

Kingdom of New Granada is 1891 tech level and there are nations 2005 level? Who are the most advanced nations tech-wise, and who are the most benign?
New Russia is the most advanced, and the rest are under that. New Granada isn't the lowest, for example it is above Inuit, for example.

[Glen]

Here's my DIYME. The ISOT date is June 1, 2005 or the approximate tech level. It's a pretty basic one, where I have taken a couple of my favorite ME nations from various games and threw them together one more time. The white blank areas are things that I couldn't figure out yet :(

Everything's working in the same matter as ME6 and ME7. The base world is the world of the Race! circa 1962, or right after the colonization fleet has arrived, but before the war with the Nazi's!

Afghanistan

For amusement factors I ISOT OTL Afghanistan whole into this world.

Canadian Republic

This is Nomadic Sky's Canada from the Practice ME. He's map impressed me so much(and those flags!) that I decided to ISOT for shits and giggles.

Chinese Empire

My favorite TL on this board made the trip, Hendryk's Superpower Empire: China, in all of it's glory. It's lost Taiwain to the Japanese.
Iceland

From Harry Turtledove's WorldWar TL. It's jointly occupied/administrated by the United States and Canada. It's ISOT from 1962.

French Kingdom

Napolean Supreme TL. Include's OTL northren Italy, and Belguim. Lost A/L to Germany

Greece

Bulg's Greece in ME5 & 6

Ireland

Is along for the ride with Britain

Iraq

For the same reasons I ISOTed OTL Iraq with us. This should be fun!


Japanese Empire

Japan takes the Phillipines from Spain, instead of the US.

Karelia

Yup. Has Estonia and Copenhagen as well.

La Plata Republic

ME7's La Plata, cicra 2005. It's lost Paraguay, Uraguay and Hawaii.
New Granda

Glen's nation in ME7, foward a century. Lost Florida to the USA, and most of Nicaragua. It still has it's vital canal, out to 1km of the north side.

Republic of Germany

The Germany I created for almost every ME I've ever been in ;) Closest to the one in ME5. Include's Austria, and East Prussia along with the Danzig corridor.

Skadistan

ME7's nation, ever backwards as always.

Spainish Kingdom

From France's TL. A Bonaparte sits on the throne. France's bitch. Lost Portugal to the Race

Tarrantry

The Island Kingdom from the warship1 boards made the jump here. The ASBs well do some fooling around to prevent ecological diasters.

United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland

As the early tradition for ME was, Great Britain is from OTL, except that is.. from a month ago. ISOT with it are the various South Atlantic Islands, and Diego Garcia.

United States of America

From a Cold War continues TL. Reforms insituted by the Sov's in the late 70s, early 80s put the USSR on life support for another 20 years. It's been doing to it's economy in the same matter as the Chinese have done OTL. The US is similar to OTL, though the conservatives have lost there progical son in Reagan(he doesn't get the credit for the end of the CW). Post-CW cutbacks never happened, but neither did 9-11 or Iraq, so the deficit is actually less.

What can I say, I like my country and I like to exist ;)

United Provinces of Central America

They manage to stay together and thus here they are.

Zaire Republic

The nation played by DQ, and later Glen. I like the flavor of this country so It came along to keep the Race from having all of Africa.

Okay, the Kingdom of New Granada has been through this before. They are going to be looking to make connections and alliances as soon as possible. They are also going to be looking, as ever, to secure their borders.

They'll be quite relieved to find their longtime partners in securing peace, prosperity, and freedom have come with them, the Republic of La Plata, and to find a fairly recognizable USA as well.

The Race to them will look like a lot of the small dinosaurs in the zoos and nature preserves of New Granada. Despite their relatively benign rule of humans, they willl be seen by both New Granada and La Plata as oppressing their Latin brothers and sisters. Prime Minister Marguerita Hayak will call for immediate mobilization and a demand that the Race give humans in their areas equal status. This will be supported by Queen Isabella the First, though the Monarch is now more of a spokesperson for the nation rather than a power within the government. Probably there will be war between the Race and the Juggernauts of South America. The Race will have to defend in a two front war against nations every bit as advanced as they are in the arts of war. La Plata will likely have nukes, though will avoid using them. Both nations will have advanced ABM capability, with New Granada possessing such to a ludicrous degree. The first priority will be the utter removal of the Race from power in South America.

On New Granada's northern front, we will likely quickly ally with the UPCA and help them hold their border with the Race in Mexico. We will concede that Florida is American, and seek alliance with the USA, which I think will come about rather easily. Again, the Race will likely face a two front assault. Depending on how things go in South America for us and with Canada for the USA, this may be saved as an active conquest until those issues are resolved, if possible. However, if the Race attack into the USA or the UPCA, the New Granadans will be ready and willing to do the same on that front as in South America. The biggest obstacle for New Granada will be mobilization. They still do not have a large army, though their Navy, Air Corps, and Marine Corps are second to none. However, when the Call goes out for volunteers, New Granadans will rapidly respond, leaving training time as the major delay. We expect to help liberated Mexico to become a stable democracy. Don't know quite how the liberated South American areas will be structured. Probably Brazil will go back to being Brazil (depends how much population movement the Race has done), but maybe the other nations will end up in some form of Latin federation stretching from Peru through Bolivia and Paraguay to Uruguay (or did the Uruguay portion of La Plata make it?).

On the Zairean front, things will be grim. The Race surrounds us except in one location (what ARE you going to do with South Africa/Namibia, MBarry?). We will immediately mobilize our very sizeable reserve forces, and go on a war footing. We will call on the USA, Germany, and other NATO/NEC/GDI etc type countries to realign with us and aid us to drive the alien invaders from Die Afrika Mutterland! Mostly, however, the Zaireans will be on the defensive at first. The Lizards might like the heat, but they're no Jungle fighters. Also expect the Zaireans to ally with New Granada and La Plata. The New Granadans especially have gotten used to dealing with German flavored countries from their neighbors in the Republic of Rio Grande.

[Glen]

New Russia is the most advanced, and the rest are under that. New Granada isn't the lowest, for example it is above Inuit, for example.

We will seek to make peace with our neighbors. I see us being able to work with the Black government of the CSA so long as they didn't go overboard during their fight for liberation. The Empire of Mexico is hopefully democratic and friendly. If so, we wouldn't mind seeing them purchase the Dutch Southwest. Also would be fine with forming a strong alliance with the UPCA sections of the USA. Are they Spanish speaking or English speaking? We could even see about some form of Confederation with them. We'll be a bit leery of the New Russians, but our previous experience with an ISOT will lead us to try to establish relations. We will be greatly saddened by the fact that Patriarch Beneficent was not ISOTed with us, but heartened by the fact that he was there for the first one and to show us the way. Expect his sermons to go into reprint immediately. There will be a land rush to establish ourselves on the old Spanish Main, from the Mouth of the Orinoco along to the Pacific coast of Columbia (though we'll have to get there overland unless the USA has a canal they'd let us use).

Modernization will be the first order of the day! Hopefully these people like sugar.

[Matt]

Okay, the Kingdom of New Granada has been through this before. They are going to be looking to make connections and alliances as soon as possible. They are also going to be looking, as ever, to secure their borders.


On the Zairean front, things will be grim. The Race surrounds us except in one location (what ARE you going to do with South Africa/Namibia, MBarry?). We will immediately mobilize our very sizeable reserve forces, and go on a war footing. We will call on the USA, Germany, and other NATO/NEC/GDI etc type countries to realign with us and aid us to drive the alien invaders from Die Afrika Mutterland! Mostly, however, the Zaireans will be on the defensive at first. The Lizards might like the heat, but they're no Jungle fighters. Also expect the Zaireans to ally with New Granada and La Plata. The New Granadans especially have gotten used to dealing with German flavored countries from their neighbors in the Republic of Rio Grande.


Close but it's New Granda as if the ISOT in ME7 never happened.. same with Zaire, though NATO would still be a going concern with Britain and the US.

[Glen]

For the jigsaw earth

Can I have My Austria from ME7 south of Germany, North of Greece extending out to the Black sea. plus Naples /Sicily

Yes you may. Go ahead and pop it on the Jigsaw. The fun begins.

[Glen]

Close but it's New Granda as if the ISOT in ME7 never happened.. same with Zaire, though NATO would still be a going concern with Britain and the US.

Okay, so slight variations on that, but overall things stay the same.

[Glen]

One of these MEs, I want to play a nation that is going through its second ISOT in its history. That would be cool...

[Matt]

I'd love to see their attitude...

"Here we go again :p"

[Matt]

Updated my map....

I've decided to include a CSA as well... from a scenerio similar to Turtledove's, but you know, not as stupid. There was no Negro uprising(or rather it didn't amount to much) and earlier Black enlistment. The CSA still lost, but the bitterment for blacks and Featherson never emerged. The CS and US actually learned to get along during the 30s.

All USA military bases, their equipment and personal have been relocated to somewhere in the remaining USA. All key AH.com board members have likewise been relocated ;)

Also added the Union of South Africa... from the GURPS Reich II TL- Haifax makes peace with Germany. It's part of a now vanished British Empire that was in a 5 way cold war.

Baja California is a US state from a different TL then the rest of the USA(from the Kennedy Lives TL)

[Glen]

Updated my map....

I've decided to include a CSA as well... from a scenerio similar to Turtledove's, but you know, not as stupid. There was no Negro uprising(or rather it didn't amount to much) and earlier Black enlistment. The CSA still lost, but the bitterment for blacks and Featherson never emerged. The CS and US actually learned to get along during the 30s.

All USA military bases, their equipment and personal have been relocated to somewhere in the remaining USA. All key AH.com board members have likewise been relocated ;)

Also added the Union of South Africa... from the GURPS Reich II TL- Haifax makes peace with Germany. It's part of a now vanished British Empire that was in a 5 way cold war.

Baja California is a US state from a different TL then the rest of the USA(from the Kennedy Lives TL)

Great. Now I've got to rethink the strategy again.... So we've got a CSA that has what sort of race relations? Probably a bit harder relations to have good relations with, but the New Granadans will try. If nothing else, we have a common interest in seeing the Race kicked out of Mexico.

The Union of South Africa from GURPS Reich II I am not familiar with, can you tell me what it is like? Part of the British Empire still, and how are race relations there? If at all possible, the Zaireans are probably going to need to make peace there so they can take on the Race. Looks like they might need to buy some more ABM systems from the New Granadans.

[Glen]

So I've added DuQuense's request for Austria, and a country parallel in some ways to New Granada, the Caliphate of New Andalus, to the Jigsaw Map. Also the great nation of Texas.

[Matt]

Race relations in the CSA are cordial at best. Blacks aren't granted nationial citizenship at birth(though VA, TN, CH, SO SE and TX all do state citizenship at birth), and can only earn it through nationial service. Segeration still exists in the deep South as well.

In South Africa the apartied continues, indeed the blacks would probably be better off under the Race there.

[Glen]

Race relations in the CSA are cordial at best. Blacks aren't granted nationial citizenship at birth(though VA, TN, CH, SO SE and TX all do state citizenship at birth), and can only earn it through nationial service. Segeration still exists in the deep South as well.

In South Africa the apartied continues, indeed the blacks would probably be better off under the Race there.

Okay...so I think both my New Granadans and Zaireans, while they will likely find some of their traditional allies present, will also have some neighbors with very cool relations indeed.

South America is the first stage of the Reconquista from the Race. They are not numerous, and our nations are now on par with their technology level roughly. New Granada possesses a well developed ABM capability. I think between La Plata and New Granada, we drive the Race from control of South America. La Plata takes the lead in that fight. Then the allies go after Race occupied Mexico, likely with aide from the UPCA. Again, I think our numbers win out, as the techs are comparable.

Zaire hopes to drum up support for the overthrow of the Lizards. They'll go on the defensive in the West, but offense in the East, taking back OTL Mozambique, Madagascar, and working up the coast into Kenya and Uganda. Beyond that, it will depend on how many other nations are willing to sign on to overthrow the Race. We will be eying the Union of South Africa warily. The Race first, and then the Racists. Zaireans are NOT going to be amused by apartheid at this late date in history, not at all.

[Matt]

Okay...so I think both my New Granadans and Zaireans, while they will likely find some of their traditional allies present, will also have some neighbors with very cool relations indeed.

South America is the first stage of the Reconquista from the Race. They are not numerous, and our nations are now on par with their technology level roughly. New Granada possesses a well developed ABM capability. I think between La Plata and New Granada, we drive the Race from control of South America. La Plata takes the lead in that fight. Then the allies go after Race occupied Mexico, likely with aide from the UPCA. Again, I think our numbers win out, as the techs are comparable.

Ah yes, but the Race has landed several hundreds of million of settlers recently to add to the fight, and to recieve parity with the Big Uglies their military forces have been spared in the ISOT as well. Local Big Uglies may show a varying degree of loyalty to the Empire, since Turtledove has gone out of his way to state that the Third World is in better shape with the Race there.

[Glen]

Ah yes, but the Race has landed several hundreds of million of settlers recently to add to the fight, and to recieve parity with the Big Uglies their military forces have been spared in the ISOT as well. Local Big Uglies may show a varying degree of loyalty to the Empire, since Turtledove has gone out of his way to state that the Third World is in better shape with the Race there.

Hundreds of millions, eh? And you spared all their military forces. Well, ain't that just grand.

Most of those settlers are just that, settlers. Remember the Race doesn't like change. They're not going to become soldiers, not overnight, and quite frankly too late. The Race also are too deliberative. They are not going to adjust very well at all in the face of an ISOT.

I don't think that 'loyalty' to the Empire will be very deep, and in the case of seeing First World Latin nations coming in to liberate them, I think they will rise up to throw off the Race.

The New Granadans will want to find some way to peacably incorporate the Race into Earth society. But first they must be defeated. Alien domination is unacceptable.

The Zaireans feel similarly. I'm not certain however if we will get the same level of support from the humans in the Empire as in South America, at least not at first.

[Matt]

Hundreds of millions, eh? And you spared all their military forces. Well, ain't that just grand.

Most of those settlers are just that, settlers. Remember the Race doesn't like change. They're not going to become soldiers, not overnight, and quite frankly too late. The Race also are too deliberative. They are not going to adjust very well at all in the face of an ISOT.

I don't think that 'loyalty' to the Empire will be very deep, and in the case of seeing First World Latin nations coming in to liberate them, I think they will rise up to throw off the Race.

The New Granadans will want to find some way to peacably incorporate the Race into Earth society. But first they must be defeated. Alien domination is unacceptable.

The Zaireans feel similarly. I'm not certain however if we will get the same level of support from the humans in the Empire as in South America, at least not at first.


Oh I agree, the Race would have to go... but it has about as much power as most of the new major players combined. Atvar also talks about having a permament "Soldier's time." With the permament survival of the Race(after all Home has ceased to exist) at stake I think maybe... maybe they'll do it.... in 20 years or so, and after seriously studing the consciquences. :p

[Glen]

Oh I agree, the Race would have to go... but it has about as much power as most of the new major players combined.

I don't buy that, MBarry. There are how many billions of humans in the World compared to the Race? You've got a lot more powers still in this ISOT I suspect than in our own world.

Atvar also talks about having a permament "Soldier's time." With the permament survival of the Race(after all Home has ceased to exist) at stake I think maybe... maybe they'll do it.... in 20 years or so, and after seriously studing the consciquences. :p

How do they know anything about Home? Communication times are too slow. As you say, he's talking about it. And it might happen, in 20 years or so. The Race, however, is not going to have that luxury in an ISOT world with this level of tech. I think they don't even have 2 years. Just my two cents. Why don't you tell us how you see your ISOT world evolving?

[Matt]

I don't buy that, MBarry. There are how many billions of humans in the World compared to the Race? You've got a lot more powers still in this ISOT I suspect than in our own world.



How do they know anything about Home? Communication times are too slow. As you say, he's talking about it. And it might happen, in 20 years or so. The Race, however, is not going to have that luxury in an ISOT world with this level of tech. I think they don't even have 2 years. Just my two cents. Why don't you tell us how you see your ISOT world evolving?


With the Race getting stomped :p

In seriousness though, I don't know what I'm doing what's mostly Russia. We'll see after I figure that out. Any suggestions?

As for Home? I figure theres a constant, albeit slow communications with Home, or at the very least stray radio waves constantly bombarding Tosev 3. They'll notice somethings wrong when they point a radio telescope the right way and nothings there.

[Glen]

With the Race getting stomped :p

In seriousness though, I don't know what I'm doing what's mostly Russia. We'll see after I figure that out. Any suggestions?

As for Home? I figure theres a constant, albeit slow communications with Home, or at the very least stray radio waves constantly bombarding Tosev 3. They'll notice somethings wrong when they point a radio telescope the right way and nothings there.

Fair enough.

Russia, Russia, Russia. Well, for starters I'd consider putting in a Greater Lithuania in the West of that area. And maybe a Capitalist Siberia, perhaps even one bought by the USA. And there is always the Jewish State of Khazaria.

[DuQuense]

USA -Yellow -POD 1783
US gets all British NA Gets French NA [Indies, Louisiana] in war of 1802. Texas /California in War 1836 .

Canada- Green- POD 1856
Britain takes Alaska during Crimea War.

Cuba -Purple- POD 1954- ME8
Pitcher Fidel Castro Gets Picked by the Washington Senators.

Nicaraguan-Dark Green- POD 1854
US builds Nicaraguan Canal.

United Nordic Kingdoms [UNK] POD 1808 ME 5??
King Christian of Denmark helps Sweden in War with Russia, Becomes King of Sweden instead of Bernadette.

England -Pink- POD 1882
Catholic PMs accepted and Seated. No Irish Rebellion.

France -Red- POD 1803
France Annexes Belgium / Netherlands. Treaty of Armiens Holds, Bonaparte VIII is Present King of France.

Germany – Yellow- POD 1941
Hitler & Barbarossa Successful.

Kingdom of Italy- Blue- POD 1940
Mussolini does not invade France, Remains Neutral during WW2, hold on to Italian North Africa , Major Surprise at Cameroon rift after ISOT.

Federal Soviet Republics -POD 1991 -ME6
Gorbachev Disposed. Putin Takes charge after ISOT. Takes China.

West Asian Treaty Organization -Red - POD 1972 ME 6
Komeni killed , Shah stays in 1979, Son Takes Control of Stan's after ISOT

Vietnam – Yellow POD 1979
Vietnam Invades Laos and Cambodia. Doesn't leave in 1980's

Empire Siam -Green-POD 1687
Siam Conquers Laos, Cambodia, Malaysia, Burma.

Japan – Blue- POD 1898
Japan Invades Philippines during Spanish- American War , when Adm. Dewey is delayed in Hawaii Due to Typhoon. Due to this Japan looks to the Islands, instead of Chinese Mainland.

Empire of Greater Australia, POD 1915,
WW1 starts over Australia's invades ion of German New Guinea. empire includes New Zealand and Madagascar. as well as Islands around all three .

Union South Africa -Red- POD 1923
Rhodesia Votes to join South Africa, Gains Botswana when Britain withdraws in 1948.

Republic of Zaire – Green -POD 1918
Paul Von Lettow, Doesn't surrender, goes on to Conquer Central Africa.
[I also like the Nation I Created.]

Portuguese Cameroon -Dark Green - POD 1400 -ME 8
ASB's Open the Cameroon Rift, Portugal Doesn't colonize Brazil, takes Cameroon instead.

The rest of the World -White- POD 1954
Martians Invade [War of the Worlds] It is just as the World During the Closing Credits of the Movie.

[DuQuense]

New Gotland would still have a Large number of Am-Can Troops in several Bases there, as would New Caldonia. Plus ME7 Has a lot more Naval Activity, I don't think this will stop. So there would be a large Naval force there as Well. I don't think they would be Happy with the Race Controlling Australia. But they would Support LaPlata, and Granada First.

[Diamond]

Here's mine. I did something a little different; I went for the all-big-empires approach.

The gray areas are the 'baseline': they are the AI Zones from GURPS Reign of Steel. (For those not familiar with it, they're a near-future TL where AI's, Terminator-style, have enslaved mankind.)

USSA: From a world where the US becomes a communist superpower following WWI. (I only ISOT'd half of it.)

Dominion of Canada: From the same TL as the USSA. Still British.

Republic of Braseal: From my 'Song of My People' TL/story. It's a xenophobic, highly-industrialized state that won its independence from Castile around 1800.

Papal Dominion: From a TL where Napoleon becomes a priest, and eventually Pope. You can imagine the rest. :)

Spanish North Africa: Inspired by Duquense's Spanish Inquisition Africa from SME.

Khaganate of Kirghiz: One of my nations from SME.

Kingdom of Arabia: A highly-advanced Christian state, from the same TL as Gothonia in Practice ME.

Empire of Japan: From a world where Japan is an English colony for two centuries and becomes the 'Britain of the Pacific'. My New Hebrides in SME was a part of this nation.

Republic of Australia: Inspired by NomadicSky's uber-Canada. This Australia is nuclear-capable and not afraid to use 'em. The result of a Japanese triumph in Asia in WWII.

Protectorate of South Africa: From a world where Cromwell's commonwealth survived. South Africa is a theocratic-fascist police state.

[Othniel]

Continueing my scenario I'm going to ISOT the Race's South Africa, along with the Marxist Republic of Transvaal from a scenario in which Stalin gets the Atomic bomb in 1941. OTL Yemen and Oman, Cambodia and southern Vietnam will be ISOTed as the Khemer Empire. An area in India will ISOt the Mongul Federation, and Indonesia will house a seris of cities under a multinational company called NRC. It is based in Singapore and also controls all of Siberia, its temporal problem is that it is from the year 2030 but does hold all major cities in the Southeast Asian area. We also have Australlia with a Japaness emcampment in the North and West where WW2 is still being fought, with the US staying nuetral. We're also sending a Song China where the Mongollians were repelled, and then stumbled into a industrial revolution in the 1400s. I'm also ISOTing the Crimea from the American Empire tl by Harry Turtledove. I also I'm ISOTing the Kingdom of Styria which is in control of Austria and Northern Italy.

[Othniel]

Also the Egypt from Robert's TL, what if Ancient Egypt exsisted to current day... Only including Egypt, Western Libya, and the Canaan. And my Oscan alliance from the Tartessos TL, but only Sicily.

[Matt]

I still toying around with everything... I may actually post a FH TL when all is said on done.

Minor border shifts.... CSA loses the Carolina's and Virginia to the US... Spain is part of the Empire now.

I've decided for every member of the Race that has to be "teleported" to be ISOT, a human disappears inside the Race's zone of control.

[Othniel]

As for the Map so far:

The Confederation of Labrador and the Kingdom of Canda both come from my Franco-Soldaria timeline.

New Ablion is from ME7.

Sierra Madre and the US come from simular TLs without the Loiusanne purchase, though Sierra Madre is a messed up Republic gathering from several different tls.

Spain-Brittainia is from Harry Turtledove's book.

I'll explain the Dutch angle of that Brazil in a different ME.

France is fun, watch out for it in ME8

Breton is from MEuro, and is its evolution

I believe that is what I wrote so far.

Continueing my scenario I'm going to ISOT the Race's South Africa, along with the Marxist Republic of Transvaal from a scenario in which Stalin gets the Atomic bomb in 1941. OTL Yemen and Oman, Cambodia and southern Vietnam will be ISOTed as the Khemer Empire. An area in India will ISOt the Mongul Federation, and Indonesia will house a seris of cities under a multinational company called NRC. It is based in Singapore and also controls all of Siberia, its temporal problem is that it is from the year 2030 but does hold all major cities in the Southeast Asian area. We also have Australlia with a Japaness emcampment in the North and West where WW2 is still being fought, with the US staying nuetral. We're also sending a Song China where the Mongollians were repelled, and then stumbled into a industrial revolution in the 1400s. I'm also ISOTing the Crimea from the American Empire tl by Harry Turtledove. I also I'm ISOTing the Kingdom of Styria which is in control of Austria and Northern Italy.
Also the Egypt from Robert's TL, what if Ancient Egypt exsisted to current day... Only including Egypt, Western Libya, and the Canaan. And my Oscan alliance from the Tartessos TL, but only Sicily.


So who wants to attempt to try and explain what is going to happen in this 1952 ME with the Unclaimed areas in an 1800 ATL where a Limited Monarchy is establized in France under Loius XVI.

[Othniel]

I still toying around with everything... I may actually post a FH TL when all is said on done.

Minor border shifts.... CSA loses the Carolina's and Virginia to the US... Spain is part of the Empire now.

I've decided for every member of the Race that has to be "teleported" to be ISOT, a human disappears inside the Race's zone of control.
Hmm, I'm going to have to ask, what year is this again? And do I exsist? ;)

[Matt]

The year is 2005, and you should exist. Though the US is a different TL, the butterflies probably haven't prevent you from being concieved. :p

[Imajin]

MBarry, is Karelia the 1866 Karelia, or a 2005 one? Either way, I'd like to see how it progresses....

[Matt]

2005.... I of course can use some imput on how it has advance in the 20th C, in it's own TL.

[Glen]

I still toying around with everything... I may actually post a FH TL when all is said on done.

Minor border shifts.... CSA loses the Carolina's and Virginia to the US... Spain is part of the Empire now.

I've decided for every member of the Race that has to be "teleported" to be ISOT, a human disappears inside the Race's zone of control.

So, are you saying that the Race is basically heavily in control of those zones?

Even with 2x hundreds of thousands of Race settlers, it is still hundreds of millions of humans in the Race controlled areas.

Why not just have the 1962 Race ISOT in their areas but no humans ISOT with them, then the Race would be the only ones there.

If that were to happen, both New Granada and Zaire would not take a hostile stance. In fact, both would probably try to open up friendly relations. Of course, if they try to pull that 'incorporate the not-empires into the empire' crap or try to keep either power out of space, that could change.

[Bulgaroktonos]

All I can say is that in MBarry's ME, Greece is screwed. Huge source of Manpower and oil lost......Iraq to be reconquered (likely brutally), and the Race everywhere....fun

Of course, now none of you have oil either......

Perhaps I will make one.......

[Glen]

All I can say is that in MBarry's ME, Greece is screwed. Huge source of Manpower and oil lost......Iraq to be reconquered (likely brutally), and the Race everywhere....fun

Of course, now none of you have oil either......

Perhaps I will make one.......

New Granada still has the Venezuelan oilfields.

[Matt]

<poof!!>

The Russian probelm almost completely solved!

But not the Eastern Europe one...

[Matt]

All I can say is that in MBarry's ME, Greece is screwed. Huge source of Manpower and oil lost......Iraq to be reconquered (likely brutally), and the Race everywhere....fun

Of course, now none of you have oil either......

Perhaps I will make one.......


Well the American's in Iraq are likely going to leave as soon as Washington orders them to do so. Let it be Greece's probelm :D

[Othniel]

Why not just have them be from the same tl as the Race? :)

[Matt]

Considered it, but the Race already control's the Saudi oil fields. Humanity has to get it from somewhere. Updated yet again... Had mercy on the Greeks. Kuwait is now ISOT from OTL cicra March 1, 2003.

[Matt]

Bammm yet another version.

Eastern Europe are now from the same TL(and year) as the Race, but they are Romania, Hungary, and the Greater German Reich. Netherlands is OTL. Central Russia is the Race TL's USSR cicra 1962. Japan is now Diamond's version posted earlier.

[Matt]

Posting maps calms me down...

Changes in South America...

Now who would want to play this one :D

[Glen]

Posting maps calms me down...

Changes in South America...

Now who would want to play this one :D

I would if I had the time...

[Matt]

I would if I had the time...


well if someone wasnt on SHWI :p

[Condottiero]

Skandistan is in there!!

[Glen]

well if someone wasnt on SHWI :p

I'm not on SHWI! I'm on SHWI-ISOT in Yahoo! Groups -

http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/SHWI-ISOT/

And I've been spending a heck of a lot more of my precious time here than there of late....

[Matt]

Skandistan is in there!!


It's just so quirky and different then the normal grab bag of ME nations that I had to include it. My land-o-make believe map is nearing completion, though I'm still not really happy with ISOT Yakutia with it's Chinese master, as they would already be really powerful. Not entirely happy with the Holy Russian Republic, partly since I have not even a generic TL attach to it.

Comments, suggestions.

[DuQuense]

I have neither understood how the race gets Spain.
Given Turtledoves POD
Franco would have joined the new anti Race Alliance, as soon as it was started.

[Matt]

I always assumed that it was overrun. I imagine there was resitance there, but the Spainish(and Portegeuse) wasn't in much shape to fight.

[DuQuense]

Yes but Hitler sent aid to Italy, when it was overrun, and ensured that when the race withdrew it included Italy, I believes that if Hitler didn't do the same for Spain, Churchill or Roosevelt would.

[Matt]

posting this so I can pull it up while I'm gone...

Colors represent coming from the same TL, and point in time...

IE Yellow is OTL Mar 1990, Blue is OTL Mar 2003.

[Condottiero]

Glad to see again Skandistan. Next ME I think I'll have it, but more powerful and... evil. :D :D :D :D :D

[Matt]

New DIYME:

White is OTL 1999;

Orange is the Race which I seem to like throwing into everything.

[Othniel]

I tried on for North America..

I lost color because I had to dumb it down, therefore a game.

Guess which name goes where-:D

[Othniel]

Ok there are two New Ablions on this map, Northern California (Shasta) which was a colony establised by Sir Francis Drake and the Oregon one were Alaska was bought by the Americans and put under the authority of the American minster in a status quo New Ablion from ME7, non-ISOTed.

There is OTL Canada

French North America which is along the Saint Lawerance river.

The Confederation of New England is one from a more sucessful ARW by the Americans to convince the Martimes to join. The Articles of Confederation failed.

The USA is one that was nuetral during WWI that had a Central Powers Victory.

Virginia is from a sucessful Articles of Confederation where the states had more automony and the American Confederation devolped quite differently...

California and Texas are from my Greater Texas TL.

The Mexico was riped apart by the ISOT but the POD for it was that it became a puppet goverment of Napoleon III.

The Confederacy was froma Victorious Confederacy TL. The Florida and Cuba are from a timeline where the confederacy was victorous but left the confedercy after pro-Union forces took control. They appilied for and where excepted by the their United States.

The UPCA is from a timeline where Mexico failed to break away from Spain, and they managed to gain more of central America. I was think the United Confederation of Central America fit better though...

You see a Gran Columbia, from one where Simion Boliviar built a sucessful Federation. An OTL Venezulea, a sucessful Peru-Bolivia, a Spainish Rio de La Plata with the name Australlia, and greater home powers, because its joint Southerly orgin.

Amazonia is a Dutch possesion in which they ceased Northern Brazil from about the start of Portugal being held by Spain.

Brazil is a multinational single party populist-fascist state.

West Indies are OTL, except Hati (New England Confederation), Jamaica (Texas), Domincian Republic (UPCA), Cuba (Unified States), and Puetro Rico (USA).

[Othniel]

No comments?

[Othniel]

Oh well I tried, maybe next ME I'll try the Virginia...;) That is if we get a CSA and a USA....

[Matt]

Oh well I tried, maybe next ME I'll try the Virginia...;) That is if we get a CSA and a USA....


I think next time I going to use a nation that's already had an ISOT, one from my DIYME :D

[Othniel]

I think next time I going to use a nation that's already had an ISOT, one from my DIYME :D
Really, I thought you'd try for the crown colonies again?:p Hey, do you think that my world would be a playable one? It's an odd mix but I think it would work. Especially if I took New Ablion before the referdum and ISOTed it back into the world it came from and allowed it to devolp there until the next ISOT...that would be an intresting world non?

[Matt]

Really, I thought you'd try for the crown colonies again?:p Hey, do you think that my world would be a playable one? It's an odd mix but I think it would work. Especially if I took New Ablion before the referdum and ISOTed it back into the world it came from and allowed it to devolp there until the next ISOT...that would be an intresting world non?


Certainly alot of room for conflict, and compartivaly many Mirco-states(by ME standards od course). It would be interesting to see what would happen.

[Othniel]

Certainly alot of room for conflict, and compartivaly many Mirco-states(by ME standards od course). It would be interesting to see what would happen.
This is Othniel, of corse there are Microstates by ME Standards!:D A good portion of these are European, others native, but the more I think about it the more I salivate over that Virginia.... I could see all types of conflicts breaking out...

For example, Loiusanna's Capital is named Napoleon after the govener-general's brother. The CSA is a Turtledove CSA, though I'm not sure which one. The Florida and Cuba are from the TL in which I have no Louisanna Purchase... Texas is that uber-Texas I've been flaunting. The Estrado Novo Brazil is the one from the Wiemar Germany Survives Timeline Glen has been working on.. To tell the truth I'd play most of these nations in a second. MBarry, what would you say to playing a CSA while I play that Virginia?

[Othniel]

Hmm, I wonder what happens when you mix ME7, ME6, and a DIYME... and MBarry could I say a State Map for ME7?

[Matt]

Hmm, I wonder what happens when you mix ME7, ME6, and a DIYME... and MBarry could I say a State Map for ME7?


How well the Abilon referendum go?

[Othniel]

How well the Abilon referendum go?
You got Victoria Island, plus OTL border until Trail and then it went north for the USA along the Columbia river...

[Matt]

You got Victoria Island, plus OTL border until Trail and then it went north for the USA along the Columbia river...


Ok so Aussey map is inaccurate then

[Othniel]

Ok so Aussey map is inaccurate then
Yes, I was just complaining about that...:D

[Othniel]

ME6 Brazil is providing diffucult to ISOT into ME7s current incarnation...

[Matt]

Here you go Oth:

[Othniel]

I'm a bad person...

Light Blue- ME6 USA
Yellow- ME7 USA
Brown-CSA
Purple-Viriginia
Green- Federation of the West Indies
Light Grey-New Granda
Bright Green- Kingdom of New France
Dark Blue-New England Confederation
Red- ME7 Canada
Dark Grey-ME6 Canada...

[Matt]

I'm a bad person...

Light Blue- ME6 USA
Yellow- ME7 USA
Brown-CSA
Purple-Viriginia
Green- Federation of the West Indies
Light Grey-New Granda
Bright Green- Kingdom of New France
Dark Blue-New England Confederation
Red- ME7 Canada
Dark Grey-ME6 Canada...



WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!

[Othniel]

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!
You're right, I should have only brought New Jersey and Utah from ME6 so we could enjoy ME7...:p

[Othniel]

Is this much better, I made the DC area split so ME7 and ME8 could get both Presidents, and the right senators/ house of Representives be there correctly..

[Matt]

new version:

Don't worry Oth we both exisit in this ME, as do most of the board members :D

(poor Hendyrks)

[Othniel]

I feel sorry if that is my UPCA...:p

[Matt]

I feel sorry if that is my UPCA...:p


Poor little guy never really had a chance...

Actually it does. Control of the Panama Canal well be vital to the defense of the United States, so troops well certainly be sent there. Notice most of the NATO nations(as of 99) have made the ISOT, so I think UPCA might well be admitted as a member.

I don't think there well be a war at first. But I have some interesting things invisioned, including the construction of a Race Seas Fleet :D Atvar and his flock in the invasion fleet are starting to get rather shrewd, and almost Big Uglyish, so I don't know if it's that much of a strech. One of the Tosevite nations can even colaberate with them(Japan? Brazil? Argentia, China?)

[Othniel]

Plus the Maverick Vangaurd is stationed at the Nicaragau Canal. These guys can match the navy seals and the Italian Underwater Commandos (sadly better than any ally or axis scuba unit during WW2, and practically the only good Italian unit..) any day of the week. The guys would fight like they were going to lose the alamo if the race invaded...;)

Is that the Brazil I had in ME6? If it is the race is in more trouble than you'd except...;)

[Matt]

Plus the Maverick Vangaurd is stationed at the Nicaragau Canal. These guys can match the navy seals and the Italian Underwater Commandos (sadly better than any ally or axis scuba unit during WW2, and practically the only good Italian unit..) any day of the week. The guys would fight like they were going to lose the alamo if the race invaded...;)

Is that the Brazil I had in ME6? If it is the race is in more trouble than you'd except...;)


It's Weimar TL Brazil..

Be warn though... the Race have had generious contributions from the ASBs. 3/4s of the surviving Invasion Fleet has been spared in the ISOT, and 90% of the Colonization Fleet.

[Othniel]

It's Weimar TL Brazil..

Be warn though... the Race have had generious contributions from the ASBs. 3/4s of the surviving Invasion Fleet has been spared in the ISOT, and 90% of the Colonization Fleet.

I think that Brazil has a chance. If its production numbers continue to go up as they did in Wiemar world, Brazil is just off the scope in being called a superpower. I'd say they are an internalised great power that came out of the great Depression steaming ahead more than Hitler's Germany of OTL in production. Once you see them internationalize, or gain nukes...

[Imajin]

Here you go Oth:
Where is Lincoln?

[Othniel]

White=OTL 2008
Maroon= New Ablion, as an independant Republic
Light Blue=ME7 USA
Purple=Louisanna (Boneparte's)
Green= Republic of Texas
Brown= West (Republic of California) East (Republic of Baterveria)
Blue= New Granda
Turquiose= North (CSA) South (UPCA)
Dark Blue=New England (minus Mass.)
Pink=Virginia
Grey=ME6 Brazil
Yellow= ME6 New Yorkshire

[Matt]

Where is Lincoln?


The Northern Island in New Gotland; Each Island is it's own state.

[Othniel]

New DIYME:

White is OTL 1999;

Orange is the Race which I seem to like throwing into everything. Free Paraguay! My New Campaign slogan...:p

[NomadicSky]

Most of these nations I came up with however I borrowed a few from other people. (I hope you don't mind I'll change them if you like)
The white parts are our time line
The grey nation to the south is Lauranthalas's Aguirra from practice M.E.
The yellow nation is luakel's Israel from M.E.8

The olive green nation north of the United States is my Republic of Canada
The blue nation is my 48 state united states

The maroon nation in Europe the German Empire similar to the German Empire I've posted before in this Germanys home timeline the Soviet Union still exist and is still very powerfull and feared the Soviet Union borders Germany.
Germany has a large well trained army ready to fight if and when Soviet Union invades.

The lime green nation in southern Europe is the Byzantine Empire
In the Byzantine home earth Islam never existed Mohammed became a catholic The Byzantine empire spread south and west taking about the area of otl's Ottoman empire in 1900

The large grey blue nation is the Empire of China
In China's home timeline the Empire stayed together and grew to control parts of Sibera and Japan

The green Australia is the Federal Republic of Australia from a timeline where the eureka stockade was a success

The pink Brazil is from a timeline where the Empire of Brazil was much more democratic and supported by Brazil's people this Brazil was successfull in crushing and annexing it's neighbors.

the purple South Africa comes from a timeline where South Africa includes Lesotho, and Swaziland the apartheid is still in place in this nation

[Othniel]

Here's one focusing on North America.

Red- Republic of Canada
Dark Green-Texas
Pink-Cajun Republic of Louisanna
Dark Grey-Human-Empty lands
White-OTL
Yellow- A No lousianna purchase USA
Purple- Areas that would be both in USA and the Republic of Canada, these areas have a mixed time population. The people are from all times and all timelines, well a varity of 100 or so..both these areas are considered Canadian or American...
Black- Russian Alaska

[DuQuense]

the question for the white OTL US is ?Which is closer to OTL? Canada? or the No Lousiana US?

[Glen]

Here's one focusing on North America.

Red- Republic of Canada
Dark Green-Texas
Pink-Cajun Republic of Louisanna
Dark Grey-Human-Empty lands
White-OTL
Yellow- A No lousianna purchase USA
Purple- Areas that would be both in USA and the Republic of Canada, these areas have a mixed time population. The people are from all times and all timelines, well a varity of 100 or so..both these areas are considered Canadian or American...
Black- Russian Alaska

It looks like the Canadians got the Oregon Territory...so it should be bigger.:D

[Glen]

You know, your USA almost looks like an Eagle...

[Othniel]

the question for the white OTL US is ?Which is closer to OTL? Canada? or the No Lousiana US?Let me put it this way.. English Victory in the 100 years war for Canada.:D

[Othniel]

It looks like the Canadians got the Oregon Territory...so it should be bigger.:DOnly part of it, the rest of Oregon Territory is adminstered by a British California...

[Othniel]

You know, your USA almost looks like an Eagle...Hmm, I didn't notice that...

[DuQuense]

I would say that it is my ME7 Canada where the Canadians won the Albion Seattle area, except for no Greenland.

[NomadicSky]

With many of the same nations I posted before and a few new ones.
All of these nations are from 2005
they have various tech levels
White is otl
North America
Olive Green - the Republic of Canada tech level 2005

Blue - the United States (in this united states after the war of 1812 the US capital city was moved back to Philadelphia, PA where is still is today. This United States in its home timeline includes most of otl's US with exceptions of Alaska and Hawaii it also includes Cuba and has a united Virginia.
tech level 2005

Purple - the Confederate States of America tech level 1985

Red - New France in this nations home timeline France colonized Central America which today still has a strong bond with mother France
tech level 1995

Europe
Purple - Denmark and Norway
This nation is still united in 2005 and includes Schleswig and Holstein
tech level 2005

Rust - The Empire of Germany this germany won the first world war in a europe with a diffrent system of alliances the Anglo-Prussian alliance
tech level 2005 expect war with Demark & Norway and otl's France, Italy, Lithuania, Rump Slovenia and Burgenland

Blue - Republic of Scotland this nation was founded after ww1 in a United Kingdom that was disoved by the Treaty of Paris in Scotland's home timeline the united states sided with Germany after learning the Zimmerman telegraph was a British fake
Scotland occupied Ulster in 1923 after two years of fighting with Ireland in 1934 Scotland agreed to return some Irish counties but annexed the protestant counties Tech level 2005

Yellow- Kingdom of Romania
Hitler was killed during ww1 as a result ww2 didn't happen the Soviets didn't turn Eastern Europe into their own commie play ground
Romania became a strong player in anti communist Europe along with other nations that borderd the Soviet Union. tech level 1992

Asia the mid east

Grey - The Empire of Russia
The white forces won the Russian civil war and the monarcy made reforms
Russia never became a communist State the monarcy is still very powerfull in this Russia tech level 2005 pre isot territory included all of otl' Soviet Union expect war with border republics

Olive Green - The Byzantine Empire
The Byzantine Empire islam never existed in this timeline this nation managed to take over much of southern europe pre isot borders include most of the middle east, Egypt, and south eastern Europe.
expect major fighting along the nations new borders tech level 1970

Green - The State of Israel
This Israel fought a longer bloodier war for independence.
Israel took over all of Palestine during later fighting with it's neighbors Israel took the Sinai Peninsula from Egypt and annexed the region Israel has control of the Suez Canal
expect fighting with Egypt the Byzantine Empire tech level 2005

Blue - The Empire of China
This China is still an Empire and a very strong one
This China has no laws about child birth and has a population of 1.5 billion
tech level 2005
expect fighting with Nepal and Bhutan which China will probably annex possible war with Russia

Australia
L'Australie Occidentale
In this timeline France colonized Western Australia tech level 2005

[Othniel]

What no map?

[NomadicSky]

is that better
and here is China's Flag

[NomadicSky]

I also think the Flag for Western Australia would be something like this

[NomadicSky]

What? No comments?

[Imajin]

Here's a Mosaic Americas.
The DoD USA and the Nephi Free State should be self-explanatory, as should The Race.
The Norse managed to hold out in Greenland longer, so the original settlements are there.
Light Blue are three Independent States, two British Dominions and one French. The POD is Quebec being returned.
The shades of Yellow are from a disunited US TL of mine (and yes, that yellow strip is New English, part of Connecticut until recently)
The Union of Western Republics comes from an ME TL of mine, where Columbus works for Genoa, the Aztecs are co-opted and eventually Christianized, and a Maya-Italian Federation forms in Central America.
The Empire of Venezuela is... well, an expansionist Venezuela with an Emperor. Your guess is as good as mine.
The Caribbean is inhabited by sentient raccoons who have a history of fighting with humanity. (Imagine a Race-Raccoon Alliance!)
The rest of South America is inhabited by nations from a TL similar to "The Guns of the Tawantinsuyu".

[Othniel]

I remeber the Racoon Empire Timeline. However wasn't the Caribean the only part with Humans when the Europeans arrived with both Continets being filled with Racoon nations?

[NomadicSky]

The country in central america has similar borders to Côte D'Or that I posted before

[Imajin]

I remeber the Racoon Empire Timeline. However wasn't the Caribean the only part with Humans when the Europeans arrived with both Continets being filled with Racoon nations?
Yes, so it's not the Raccoon Empire TL..

[Othniel]

Here is anouther Moasic North America, colored nations are the ISOTed ones...

[NomadicSky]

Wonder if the US would invade

[danielb1]

http://www.geocities.com/admiral_danielsben/xtl.PNG

Here is one utterly crazy map I cooked up... I ran out of colors in Paint, so not everything's right. All those brownish states are simply ones that don't have any colonies or anything. Everything's supposed to be from 2006, more or less.

Pale green are OTL states: Uruguay, Madagascar, Libya, Afghanistan, Uganda, the Koreas, Portugal, Taiwan, Vatican City (and only the Vatican), and Switzerland.

Dark Green, anywhere, means Lizards. That's basically India, West Africa, and bits of Central/South America.

There are two identical yellows, a big oops :p. One is the unified Scandanavia. The other is an uber-China. The third yellow is the Republic of Venice from AHTG's Venetian Earth :D.

Also, there are two very similare pale blues. One is the remnants of a British Empire that never fell - Britain, Guyana, Singapore, Sri Lanka, the Bahamas, and a few islands too small to care about :p.

Black are... you guessed it, the Draka.

There's your central Asian Khanate, the USSR from a TL in which they annexed Finland, a rump of a Siberia where the Czars still reign, a Jewish Khazaria, an Iran where the Shah did not stop ruling, an independent and powerful Kurdistan, an Arabian Caliphate, and an Israel that never signed the Camp David Accords. Whew!

DoD's Brazil makes a bow. Darien, the Caribbean, New Zealand, and part of North America are from the Anglo-Dutch Empire, and half of Vrijland also appears (the other half is now Chinese).

Europe's got a Germany that won World War II and holds France, a unified and powerful Poland-Lithuania, a Netherlands that's a lot like OTL except that Anne Frank-Van Pels is Prime Minister :D, a Republican Spain, a Hapsburg Hungary, a Romania from a TL where Germany won World War I, and an independent Lapland. oh, and a rump Roman Empire too...

Japan comes from a TL where there was no Industrial revolution, and it is still isolated.

there's an uber-Bolivia in South America, an Independent Louisiana, a Quebec from a TL where the French won the 7 Years War, and a carcass of a US that includes Canada. The 'Southern' state is the Republic of New Judea, and comes from a TL where wealthy Dutch Jews established a colony in South Carolina in the late 16th Century.

Thailand, Malaysia, and the Phillipines come from Seer Stuart's 'The Big One' , and Thailand's government is highly influenced by a group of immortal 'demons'.

Egypt is under the Mamelukes. Ethiopia is from a TL where they started expanding their industry and capabilities sooner and became a regional power.

the Maghreb is from For All Time, and is unified.
the non-Chinese part of Indonesia is a unified Hindu kingdom.
Argentina in this TL won the Falklands/Malvinas War.

[NomadicSky]

What about Quebec and the rest of North America

[Thande]

I don't normally post in Shared Worlds but I couldn't resist this opportunity

All the countries are at 2006 tech level and date from about 1800-2100 in real time

[Othniel]

I feel sorry for OTL Puetro Rico....

[Thande]

I feel sorry for OTL Puetro Rico....
How do you think OTL Falklands feel?!! :p

[Othniel]

How do you think OTL Falklands feel?!! :p
Bwah, they still have Britian's Caribbean Fleet to protect them, for that matter they also have a good deal of Canadian stuff...

[danielb1]

What about Quebec and the rest of North America

Quebec is from a TL in which the French win the Seven Year's War.

Louisiana is from a TL in which Napoleon flees there and establishes an Empire.

the really stringy US is the rump of a US from a TL in which Canada was taken over during the Revolution (possibly a Drakian TL).

the Southeast is the Republic of New Judea - a Jewish North American colony that later became independent.

Anything orange is part of the Anglo-Dutch Empire.

This Mosaic Earth has three Jewish states... Israel, New Judea, and Khazaria..:D.

[Matt]

Blue is the remaining members of OTL NATO members.

The Reds are the Reich and surviving Reich allies.

The Purples are Japan, and it's satellites in Asia.

Tan is the United Arab Republic.

Iran is a surviving Shah.

White is still OTL.

Brown is the Lettow-Vorbeck's East African Republic desendent.


I'm actually going to do a TL, I swear.

[Agentdark]

Red is the Soviet Union from the current ME, well, after I expand it...

Black is the Morningstar Imperium from aborted ME13

and blue is New England from something that never got off the ground.

and Purple is a Babylonia from the stirlings ISOT serries.

Yeah, basically the countrys I have designs for...everything else on this world is from 1250 BC, but feel free to add in whatever you want.

[Othniel]

All of these are hyper-advanced to even out with ME7.

[Othniel]

So what do you guys think of this scenario?

[Thande]

So what do you guys think of this scenario?

Seems fairly dystopic. What's "18thC Four Wars" mean?

[Othniel]

Seems fairly dystopic. What's "18thC Four Wars" mean?
During the 1700s Four Wars were fought, The War of the Grand Alliance, The War of Spainsh Succession, The War of Austrian Sucession, and The Seven Years War. Most of these if I remeber right went in favour of the English, however this time around their analogs go as French Victories.

[Thande]

During the 1700s Four Wars were fought, The War of the Grand Alliance, The War of Spainsh Succession, The War of Austrian Sucession, and The Seven Years War. Most of these if I remeber right went in favour of the English, however this time around their analogs go as French Victories.

Ah yes...

I've often thought there should be a collective word for those four (as opposed to the Second Hundred Years' War, which includes the Revolutionary and Napoleonic wars). Perhaps the 'Wars of Supremacy', as they ultimately determined whether the world spoke English or French (if you see what I mean).

[Othniel]

Ah yes...

I've often thought there should be a collective word for those four (as opposed to the Second Hundred Years' War, which includes the Revolutionary and Napoleonic wars). Perhaps the 'Wars of Supremacy', as they ultimately determined whether the world spoke English or French (if you see what I mean).
Well in North America they are called the French and Indian Wars, or the Intercolonial Wars.

[Thande]

Well in North America they are called the French and Indian Wars, or the Intercolonial Wars.

I thought 'French and Indian War' was a specific name for the 7 Years' War.

[Othniel]

I thought 'French and Indian War' was a specific name for the 7 Years' War.
You missed the 'S'. Check this out;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_and_Indian_Wars

[Othniel]

I'm thinking of reviving this one fairly soon.