The Interplanar Confederation

[DominusNovus]

Heh, I'm desperate for more people to join my group. For those of you who don't know about it, check it out at:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/interplanar_confederation/

It grew out of this thread on the old board:
http://www.alternatehistory.net/discus/messages/40/5252.html?1073200266

Please, I'm begging you guys! Come on over! Please?

On a related note, anyone think I should make a new thread on the ASB forum here? I was looking at the original, and we had days where we'd get more posts in one day on that thread than we have at all on the group... sniff... weep... sob... :rolleyes:

[Norman]

I joined it, and there are some good threads out there. I would be more active, it's just that I'm doing this A-S thread here, which is set back a 500 years from where I need to be for the IPC.

[Diamond]

Well, there's two more planes (Heraclius & Tamerlane) I'd like to contribute to the Yahoo group, but you're limiting me to one, you evil domineering overlord you. :D

I think it'd be a good idea to start a new thread here; the planes that are really kick-ass, you can then invite over to the Yahoo site.

[DominusNovus]

Well, there's two more planes (Heraclius & Tamerlane) I'd like to contribute to the Yahoo group, but you're limiting me to one, you evil domineering overlord you. :D

I think it'd be a good idea to start a new thread here; the planes that are really kick-ass, you can then invite over to the Yahoo site.
Well, the limit was so that all the early planes wouldn't be by the same people, but screw it, send them in! :cool:

Besides, all your planes are pretty varied, and don't end up with South America being the most prosperous region in the world... :p (don't worry G.Bone, I'm just busting your balls)

[Diamond]

Well, the limit was so that all the early planes wouldn't be by the same people, but screw it, send them in! :cool:


Might as well; no one else is contributing (aside from the Mithras dudes - I really like that one).

So do you want both? Heraclius is one that I posted on the old boards - POD 619 AD. 'Tamerlane' is the world of my story 'A Song of My People', over in the Writer's Forum - POD 1340s (worse Black Plague).

Tamerlane is the better developed one; I'm actually working on a detailed timeline for it now, as well as a glossary and (revised) maps.

[DominusNovus]

So do you want both? Heraclius is one that I posted on the old boards - POD 619 AD. 'Tamerlane' is the world of my story 'A Song of My People', over in the Writer's Forum - POD 1340s (worse Black Plague).
Either one looks good. I'd personally root for Heraclius, since I know less about that one (Song of My People was great, btw).

[G.Bone]

*sits down and cries....

You know- I'm really debating on whether or not to send you my stuff since you ....sob sob sob sob sob

:(
(j/king)

[tom]

Sorry, G.Bone. I tried...

[fortyseven]

I read thru some of the thread on the old board, what kind of intereaction between ther planes developped? What level of tech or social developpment is needed to reccomend joining the IPC? I have my Paladin timeline. Have you read it?

[DominusNovus]

I read thru some of the thread on the old board, what kind of intereaction between ther planes developped? What level of tech or social developpment is needed to reccomend joining the IPC? I have my Paladin timeline. Have you read it?
Thats the Different Fate for the Templars one, right? Hows the tech on that, as of the late 20th century? Basicly, technology as of the 1970s on a plane, shouldn't be more advanced than, say, the technology of OTLs 2010s-2020s. Anything less than that is perfectly ok. I've got a plane that I'm gonna post thats about equal to the early 1700s.

[fortyseven]

Yeah that's the one. I wrote up to circa 1890. Early second phase of industrialization I guess. Electric cars exist. I may change the rate of tech adavancement. What do you think from reading it?

[DominusNovus]

Yeah that's the one. I wrote up to circa 1890. Early second phase of industrialization I guess. Electric cars exist. I may change the rate of tech adavancement. What do you think from reading it?
Definately one of the more interesting TLs out there (second only to any one that i've got my hand in ;)). Definately would like to have it join, just bring it up to the 1970s. :)

[Straha]

do the interplaner alliance thread but keep it relatively rule free liek it was on the ASB forum

[DominusNovus]

do the interplaner alliance thread but keep it relatively rule free liek it was on the ASB forum
You can do it if you'd like. It'll have my official seal of approval.

[Straha]

You can do it if you'd like. It'll have my official seal of approval.
ok I plan on havign odd ASB TLs be a sizable aount of TLs contacted the breakdown will be normal POD 1/3 ASB influnce POD 1/3 and other POD(different types of universes like fantasy universes or really outh there worlds) 1/3. Fute Timelines will also be contacted too as part of the fun.

[fortyseven]

I have to fill in some things in "A Different Fate" (Burgundian-British war(s), Chinese history-carved up or spheres of influence, elaborate on the tech development, etc) Busy with university but, I work on it when I have time.

What I've edited:

the Channel Islands, Vancouver Island, and Constantinople come to belong to the the Paladins. Abyssinia, Nubia, Kurdistan, and Assyria become Paladin vassals as shown in the map. The Paladins are made an international, military, peacekeeping, and police force in the charter of the World League.

Oh and John thinks the Ottomans are defeated too easily. I'm not sure.

[Diamond]

Oh and John thinks the Ottomans are defeated too easily. I'm not sure.

Of course he does! I'd be shocked if he DIDN'T. :)

I like the TL quite a bit, and I'll throw in my vote on having it in the ICN.

[fortyseven]

That doesn't mean he can't have a valid point though.

Thanks for the vote Diamond.

[DominusNovus]

The current year of the ICN is 1975. So, thats how far Tamerlane, Heraclius, Templar, Castro, etc. should be brought to. Well, we won't be discovering that many planes in one year, so we might just have 1 or 2 planes (at most) discovered in any one year.

Quick question, btw. I want my Renaissance Plane to be about 300 or more years behind in technology (though perhaps some steam tech is allowed). What do you guys think some good ways to do this (within the second millenium)? I fiugre the Mongols and Timurids do better (in the sense that they devastate populations more), along with worse plagues (not necessarily more lethal, but more of them for longer a period of time). Anything more?

[Diamond]

Dominus - I'm working on the Tamerlane info, but I have a question - this plane, like Cromwell, has suffered from a fairly drastic nuclear conflict; do you mind having two planes like that, or would you rather I work on prepping Heraclius instead? (No nuclear wars there.)

Quick question, btw. I want my Renaissance Plane to be about 300 or more years behind in technology (though perhaps some steam tech is allowed). What do you guys think some good ways to do this (within the second millenium)?
As a result of worsening plagues and/or fiercer Mongol invasions, maybe you could have the RCC develop into some kind of repressive central government for what remains of Europe. The overthrow of this tyrannical Church could be a fairly recent event, within the last 50 years or so, precipitated by the advent of the 'Renaissance'.

I actually started a TL like this and abandoned it in favor of Tamerlane. Here's a map I did for it:

[DominusNovus]

Cool map. I never really thought about the nuclear wars, but now that I think of it...

Cromwell
Mithras
Tamerlane
Castro

All have nuclear wars... Is this going to be the kind that devastates an entire region of the world, as per Cromwell? Or just low level destruction spread out, as per Mithras? Its your call, though lots of Planes with nuclear wars might have an interesting effect on the character of the ICN...

[tom]

A little more on Castro...
The United States is de jure the same, but is a de facto right wing dictatorship whose POTUS talks the talk on liberty and freedom but does not walk the walk. Latin America is Third World. The Abyss is all those post-holocaust movies and stories. India is a Hindu Theocracy. South Africa dominates the continent and has some disturbing similarities with the Domination of the Draka. Australia is the most advanced nation in the World, about 1950 in technology.

[tom]

DominusNovus:
Perhaps a more extreme version of my Wild West idea on the old board (where a plague in 1877 causes a rejection of progress and nostalgia for 1876, leading to a world in c2000 much like OTL 1890s) could give your Renaissance Plane.

[DominusNovus]

DominusNovus:
Perhaps a more extreme version of my Wild West idea on the old board (where a plague in 1877 causes a rejection of progress and nostalgia for 1876, leading to a world in c2000 much like OTL 1890s) could give your Renaissance Plane.
Meh, I'm kinda aiming for basicly a world-wide societal collapse. Kill enough people, wreck enough cities, then trade collapses, and people have to focus more on surviving than progressing. I want the majority of 14th century Eurasia to look like 5th century Europe.

[DominusNovus]

A little more on Castro...
The United States is de jure the same, but is a de facto right wing dictatorship whose POTUS talks the talk on liberty and freedom but does not walk the walk. Latin America is Third World. The Abyss is all those post-holocaust movies and stories. India is a Hindu Theocracy. South Africa dominates the continent and has some disturbing similarities with the Domination of the Draka. Australia is the most advanced nation in the World, about 1950 in technology.
BTW, would it be alright with you if I clean up the map of Castro a bit?

[tom]

Clean away.

[DominusNovus]

Clean away.
Cool. How attached are you to the borders in Africa? :D

[DominusNovus]

Hey tom, here's a rough draft of the map. I haven't really touched the borders in africa (I don't presently have the patience). I've also added a few islands to varying regions (italian islands to the wasteland regions, for example). So, what do you think of it?

[tom]

Not to complain, but after being cut off from the rest of the world most of Africa fragmented into a bazillion squabbling tribal statelets (that's why the map there is such a mess). If anything, in the 1970s it would be even worse than I depicted. Your boundaries there do not at all correspond to the situation.

[tom]

Here is the map of Castro as it was for the Mosaic Earth background in c 2003, after the petty warlords of Africa did a little consolidating:

[DominusNovus]

Not to complain, but after being cut off from the rest of the world most of Africa fragmented into a bazillion squabbling tribal statelets (that's why the map there is such a mess). If anything, in the 1970s it would be even worse than I depicted. Your boundaries there do not at all correspond to the situation.
I know, I'll get to those soon. Hence the original being a rough draft. I was just asking if you wanted the borders exactly as in the original map.

[tom]

Oh, I'm sorry. No I don't know enough about 1962 African politics (read nothing) to know where the borders would be. Draw them up as you like, especially as this is almost 30 years earlier and the borders are VERY fluid. Just keep it at least as Balkanized as I showed.

[DominusNovus]

Has Australia expanded at all? Perhaps, New Zealand might have been peacefully annexed.

[Aedh Rua]

I don't know where I'll find the time for it, so don't expect it soon, but what do you think of a Gaulish Earth? POD would be shortly after the Alia in ca. 392 BC, no one is totally sure of the exact year, OTL or ATL, but it was within a decade either way of that year. Essentially Belowesos (known to OTL history as Brennos) follows up his victory on the Alia by giving Rome a very thorough sacking and burning. This doesn't quite eliminate Rome, but does lead to lots of revolts among allies and clients that do eventually finish the City off.

With a POD that early, I figure that both Philip of Macedon and Alexander are butterflied away, though a mercenary commander and the ruler of Thebes together unite the Greeks, and lead them into Persia. They aren't anywhere near as good as Alexander, and end up taking Anatolia and a large indemnity. After Persia loses Egypt and the Levant to various local rebels, a kind of mini-Hellenistic sets in, and lasts until about 200 or so AD.

The rest of the history is most exceedingly long and complex, but essentially leads to semi-Hellenized Gauls taking the place of the West as the dominant world culture. The culture and world order are VERY different from that of OTL, or from most of the other ICN worlds. Not only are the Great Powers, languages, and dominant religions different, but so are the ways the Great Powers interact with each other and the lesser powers. Likewise the economy is just plain alien, though there are a few elements reminiscent of Syndicalism. The tech will be about OTL mid-30s level, I'm thinking, though with some weird-tech resulting from a somewhat divergent scientific revolution. Nothing too far out, but it's just more plausible if these folks ask a few different questions than those we would think of, and get some different gadgets as a result.

Interested?

[DominusNovus]

Interested?
As interested as I was on the yahoo group. :p

[Diamond]

Dominus: I emailed the Tamerlane info to you. You should get two emails, one with the world and nation overviews, the other with two maps.

[DominusNovus]

Dominus: I emailed the Tamerlane info to you. You should get two emails, one with the world and nation overviews, the other with two maps.
Got them. Looks good. I'll add them after I add Castro's information.

[DominusNovus]

Here's my newest draft of the Castro map. Tell me what you think of it, what you'd like changed, if anything.

[tom]

DominusNovus:
Looks good.

[DominusNovus]

DominusNovus:
Looks good.
Alright, I'll post everything up in a bit.

[DominusNovus]

Alright, I'll post everything up in a bit.
Its now posted.

[Diamond]

Hey Dominus: Is Tamerlane gonna be posted soon?? :eek: :D

[DominusNovus]

Hey Dominus: Is Tamerlane gonna be posted soon?? :eek: :D
Patience man! :)

[Diamond]

This is a tentative map for Aedh Rua's plane, 'Bitus'.

Areas not described:

1)Northern part of South America
2)The Caribbean
3)Madagascar
4)West-central Africa
5)Corsica & Sardinia

Soon as I know what's in those spots, I'll do version 2.0

[Diamond]

And a map of Europe (for Aedh Rua's Bitus):

[DominusNovus]

Looks good. Mind If I ask where you got the base for that Europe map?

[Diamond]

I snatched it from Sean's 'Anglo-Dutch Union' thread. I don't remember where he got it from, but it's credited in the thread.

[Aedh Rua]

That is just gorgeous. I'll try to have more info early next week. A hundred thousand thanks.

[Diamond]

No Problem; glad to do it.