US Forces in Vietnam and Iraq Switch

[fortyseven]

All US forces at the height of the Vietnam War are switched with all the US forces at the height of the 2003 Iraq War. Young John Kerry is now fighting in Iraq.

[Ward]

All US forces at the height of the Vietnam War are switched with all the US forces of the 2003 Iraq War. Young John Kerry is now fighting in Iraq.


The Guys From Nam would not put up with some of the shit that happens in Iraq . Also the guys from Nam would freze at night rember the uniforms are light weight .

I can see the Armor units now sinking in the rice paddies .
Also I hate to see the first guys come home from Nam walk back to 1960's.
No CD's or the other things they are use to .

[fortyseven]

bumping for new members

[Raymann]

I'd give Hanoi a week, on the outside.

And considering what my dad told me he did in Vietnam...well lets just say why go door to door when you can just fire a missile in them?

[John Carter]

The Guys From Nam would not put up with some of the shit that happens in Iraq . Also the guys from Nam would freze at night rember the uniforms are light weight .

I can see the Armor units now sinking in the rice paddies .
Also I hate to see the first guys come home from Nam walk back to 1960's.
No CD's or the other things they are use to .

What would the Guys from Nam not put up with in Iraq exactly ? ;)

[DGNT]

I dunno, I think it would be a toss up as to the exact effects of switching such different forces.
US forces in Vietnam (from Iraq) might not have the numbers needed to acomplish much and still defend South Vietnam, although they would have far more skill than an average Vietnam solidier, and would be better armed and equipped on an individual level.
I dont, however, think that the M1 Abrahms would be very effective in Vietnam :P
However, give them a single modern US aircraft carrier...yeah, Vietnam doesnt stand a chance.

As to the Vietnam guys in Iraq, if they could get desert equipment I think they would do alright, they have the numbers to put down the various guerilla forces in Iraq and (depending on the era) would get a nice boost in moral because they arent soaking wet all the time :P

[aktarian]

I dont, however, think that the M1 Abrahms would be very effective in Vietnam :P

Why not? Contrary to popular belief tanks were often used in Vietnam with sucess

[John Carter]

Why not? Contrary to popular belief tanks were often used in Vietnam with sucess
Yes but the vietnamise communist insurgents and north vietnamise Ho Chi Minh army have RPGS, a few of those hits and modern tanks would be just as vulnerable. :(

[DGNT]

Simple:

M1 Abrahms:
70 tons

M60 (and varients):
48 tons

No doubt the M1 has better weight distribution, but that doesnt change the fact that its still an extra 20 tons.

[Adam]

You're also forgetting one thing that the M1 has that the M60 doesn't: Chobham.;)

[fortyseven]

Glad there's new interest.

Simple:

M1 Abrahms:
70 tons

M60 (and varients):
48 tons

No doubt the M1 has better weight distribution, but that doesnt change the fact that its still an extra 20 tons.

I agree.

How many troops are going to be killed by accident before the situations become clear I wonder.

[PhantomVX2000]

The Haoni's vaunted air defense get completely decimated, bottom to top. The North Vietnamese government would lose their beloved SA-2 sites and AA guns faster than they could blink.

Imagine what the modern ECM and jammer suites would do to these Soviet-designed radars and SA-2s. :eek:

The digital communication would put North Vietnamese intelligence out of the business since they wouldn't able to read the digital signals at all.

[PhantomVX2000]

Yes but the vietnamise communist insurgents and north vietnamise Ho Chi Minh army have RPGS, a few of those hits and modern tanks would be just as vulnerable. :(

Keep in the mind, the North Vietnamese forces wouldn't know the Abrams' vulnerabilities until they tried it. The RPG warheads employed by NVA and Viet Cong were absolutely far inferior to what the Iraqis were using today.

They were actually using RPG-2 variants known as B-40 or B-50 in large quanlity.

[fortyseven]

2003 Kerry: we must pull out of Iraq so 1970s Kerry doesn't die. If he dies, I'll die.

Kerry aide: Senator, it doesn't work like that :rolleyes:

[Mike Stearns]

I'd give Hanoi a week, on the outside.

And considering what my dad told me he did in Vietnam...well lets just say why go door to door when you can just fire a missile in them?

Agreed. With a sudden 30 year leap in American technology, the Viet Cong is screwed.

[aktarian]

Simple:

M1 Abrahms:
70 tons

M60 (and varients):
48 tons

No doubt the M1 has better weight distribution, but that doesnt change the fact that its still an extra 20 tons.

I don't see how that would be a problem. If we are talking about river crossings then I'm sure engineer troops get ISOTed as well.

The biggest problem I see is lack of canister ammo.

[PhantomVX2000]

I don't see how that would be a problem. If we are talking about river crossings then I'm sure engineer troops get ISOTed as well.

The biggest problem I see is lack of canister ammo.

I think they already introduced M1028 canister rounds into the service few years ago and had been deployed to Iraq, accord to some sources.

[Ghost 88]

I think they already introduced M1028 canister rounds into the service few years ago and had been deployed to Iraq, accord to some sources.
They also have had the Beehive round that fires half-inch nails since before 1960. This round is in several sizes from 90mm recoiless rifles to field artillery.

[RCTFI]

If the U.S. was suddenly getting a 30 years technological boost, and was suddenly beating the crap out of the Vietnamese, then... what would the U.S.S.R. do? I forsee panic and possibly an order to nuke the U.S. and start WWIII... any thoughts?

[Adam]

I forsee panic and possibly an order to nuke the U.S. and start WWIII... any thoughts?

I forsee the Soviets getting nuked in return, and very badly at that.

[Timmy811]

500,000 American troops would do alot better at policing Iraq then 120,000 troops can, that's for sure.

[Ward]

The Haoni's vaunted air defense get completely decimated, bottom to top. The North Vietnamese government would lose their beloved SA-2 sites and AA guns faster than they could blink.

Imagine what the modern ECM and jammer suites would do to these Soviet-designed radars and SA-2s. :eek:

The digital communication would put North Vietnamese intelligence out of the business since they wouldn't able to read the digital signals at all.

Have the rules of war changed for the US forces in Vietnam . Rember the white house had a firm hand on what could be bomb and what could not be bombed . And how would it go over on TV news when you see the first napom raid on a city in Iraq .

[stevep]

I forsee the Soviets getting nuked in return, and very badly at that.

Adam

Very possibly but I think that kind of misses the point. About that sort of time the nuclear arsenals of the two super-powers were about at their heights in terms of total destructive power, but not sure how reliable the USSR weapons were. As such there might not be a lot left of anywhere.

Think I would be much happier in the modern world with the outdated US forces as although that would cause a lot of problems you have a much higher chance of avoiding nuclear destruction.

Steve

[Adam]

Adam

Very possibly but I think that kind of misses the point. About that sort of time the nuclear arsenals of the two super-powers were about at their heights in terms of total destructive power, but not sure how reliable the USSR weapons were. As such there might not be a lot left of anywhere.

It'll be much more interesting if they didn't just nuke each other back to the Stone Age. I, for one, would love to see how Brezhnev 'deals' with Gorbachev once it is discovered that the Soviet Union will fall into pieces two decades from then because of him.

[John Carter]

It'll be much more interesting if they didn't just nuke each other back to the Stone Age. I, for one, would love to see how Brezhnev 'deals' with Gorbachev once it is discovered that the Soviet Union will fall into pieces two decades from then because of him.

The soldiers who are sent back will be sworn to secrecy by the goverment and only them and the U.S president and top advisors will know, otherwise if they dont keep it that way we will never be rid of the soviet union ;)