ASB send the Board menbers back 10,000 years in time

[Ward]

ASB Give the Board members and there familys 2 hrs to get ready to go back in time to 10,000 years ago .
You may take any thing you can carry with you . We all will end up 10,000 years ago outside IronYuppies Farm .
So what would you take as a Family ?
Who would you talk to on the Board before you leave ?
Oh and to help us older folks out we have are bodies we had at 25 .

Do you think we could survie as a group ?

[DarkSlavik]

so assume you have about 1000 people back in time with good knowlege of the future, I assume we would start a civiliation that will last for 1000s of years.

[Forum Lurker]

Bah. We'd disintegrate into scattered outliers, farming our own hidden little plots and coming into town only when lonely, and then heavily armed. We'd keep alive some technology, but anything requiring heavy industry or much in the way of major chemical synthesis would be restricted to the books kept in heavily-guarded safes.

[rewster]

*loads the basket of a massive helium balloon with equipment, holds balloon by a rope*

"I can carry this rope with me right?"

EDIT ok so I don't have a helium balloon.
I'd probably just bring my clothes, as I have nothing else of use in 8000 BC except maybe a sleeping bag.

[Ward]

*loads the basket of a massive helium balloon with equipment, holds balloon by a rope*

"I can carry this rope with me right?"

EDIT ok so I don't have a helium balloon.
I'd probably just bring my clothes, as I have nothing else of use in 8000 BC except maybe a sleeping bag.


Do you have any pots and pans , how about that rope , you have two hrs how about some seeds , Maybe an axe or a bow ,
How about that basket . maybe some wine and food . Myself I will have a 150lb pack an my wife would have a 100 lb pack , My youngst son would have a 150 lb back if I did not have him carry the wheel barrol .
I would have so much load on us we could hardly move .
Hell I would have a couple chickens tied to my back as would the wife .
And one of the my grand kids would be carring are dog .

Think about it . dont you have any gardering tools or that . Hell I would be on line to Dr What and ask him to bring his spices and pans , and as coffiee as he could carry rember we all are going with are families , do you play an instument bring it .
I would tell Gray Wolf to bring school books to teach the kids as well as bring
some blankets , My family has about 6 tents so he would have some thing to sleep under .
So go back and think what you have around the house and bring something
The group could use .

[Hendryk]

10,000 years ago, IIRC, the last ice age wasn't over yet. Maybe we should ask the ASBs to send us somewhere that isn't inlandsis or frozen tundra.

[Ward]

10,000 years ago, IIRC, the last ice age wasn't over yet. Maybe we should ask the ASBs to send us somewhere that isn't inlandsis or frozen tundra.


so how far south did the Icebelt come in America .

[rewster]

Do you have any pots and pans ,
why yes, I have two. I'm sure given two hours I'd have thought to bring one while my girlfriend brings the other. Or does she not count as family?
how about that rope , you have two hrs how about some seeds , Maybe an axe or a bow ,
Actually I don't even have rope. Seeds... well maybe I'd think to run off to a store and shoplift some. No axe or bow or anything fun like that. I live in a studio apartment.
How about that basket . maybe some wine and food . Myself I will have a 150lb pack an my wife would have a 100 lb pack , My youngst son would have a 150 lb back if I did not have him carry the wheel barrol .
I would have so much load on us we could hardly move .
Hell I would have a couple chickens tied to my back as would the wife .
And one of the my grand kids would be carring are dog .
I have some rice, beans, tomato sauce, cooking oil, flour, spaghetti. I'd have a few duffle bags stuffed full of that stuff. Hopefully we don't have to go far when we get there.
Think about it . dont you have any gardering tools or that .
No. Surely I'd need a garden first.
Hell I would be on line to Dr What and ask him to bring his spices and pans , and as coffiee as he could carry rember we all are going with are families , do you play an instument bring it .
I would tell Gray Wolf to bring school books to teach the kids as well as bring
some blankets , My family has about 6 tents so he would have some thing to sleep under .
So go back and think what you have around the house and bring something
The group could use .
I figured blankets would have been a given, but I guess that is a separate thing from clothes. But they'd end up in the duffel bags as I emptied out my closet. As for stuff for the group, my girlfriend has her guitar, and we've got schoolbooks, (education for her and computer engineering for me... not sure what good mine'll do 10000 years ago, unless we can preserve em for future generations) and maybe some novels for light reading if we somehow have extra time on our hands.

So of course I would have a bit more than I said, but I was mostly saying I don't have a whole lot of survival gear for 8000 BC.

[Dave Howery]

well, since we're being given time to prepare, we could all get together and plan things out... some could load themselves down with seed potatoes and grain, some could carry piglets, some could bring books, some could bring cookware and tinderboxes, etc. etc. It will really suck to not have access to cattle and horses; we'll have to plow everything by hand and human labor. It'd be a stretch to plan all this out in 2 hours, but hey, that's what the Internet is for.. :)

[Mike Stearns]

I'd bring a full set of encyclopedias.

[Grimm Reaper]

I steal an old dirigible, load it up with about fifty tons of stuff and hold onto the rope.

I can take this rope with...what? It's been done already? :mad:

2 hours?!? :eek: I'm at work and take 2.25 hours to get home!

I demand permission to start the 2 hours from home!!! :mad:

[Norman]

Canned and dried Food, as many types of seeds as possible, all weather clothes and blankets, about four big dogs that can breed, ammunition and knives, as many bows and arrows as I can buy, as many basic tools as possible (axes and shovels are OK, fancy weeders, no).

Also tents, and survival gear.

[DraconisNoir]

Who here actually has skills that would help our nascent community, besides teaching?

I can build a house, and porbably design it. I also know how to hew rough lumber from logs. I'll start on mine first, then you all can hire me and my family to build yours :D

[Forum Lurker]

Most of us have theoretical knowledge on a wide variety of topics; I know in principle how to make charcoal, steel, glass, and gunpowder, the proper designs for a variety of boat and ship hulls (though I'm iffier on the rigging), and the basics of irrigation. In practice, my most useful pre-industrial skill is probably skinning/butchering, though I can also handle a spear well enough to fend off small predators (against a smilodon or wild boar, my best defense is that I can probably out-sprint at least one of the other people present).

[DraconisNoir]

I meant like actual practical knowledge, something that could be put to use right away, and not have to go through a trial and error stage to get the basics and skills down pat.

[Grimm Reaper]

I can knit and crochet, a bit. Comes from young summer days at grandma's bungalow.

Also know how to chip flint into crude spearheads and axes.

Theoretical for soap, candles, gunpowder, and some really sick medical techniques, like treating infected limbs with maggots. :D

[Othniel]

I'd grab a large ax and then take the route of filling my three bags with food, clothing, a few good books, get some canvas and a shovel... and I'd go find a random female to get married to unless you guys have a bunch of goodlooking sisters.....

[EmptyOne]

When I was 25 yrs old I had a 'cast iron' stomach. I'd be willing to taste test unknown plants to see if they are edible. :D :eek:

Seriously, there are quite a few traps that can be made with a knife or hachet and some twine or rope. I made a few when I was younger, but they never caught anything.

[Ward]

I'd grab a large ax and then take the route of filling my three bags with food, clothing, a few good books, get some canvas and a shovel... and I'd go find a random female to get married to unless you guys have a bunch of goodlooking sisters.....




Othniel how old are you I have a 14 year Granddaughter who can marry in 4 years . If you can Get past her Dad and I .

[Grimm Reaper]

Ward, when the answer is 'No', just say so. :p

[Othniel]

Othniel how old are you I have a 14 year Granddaughter who can marry in 4 years . If you can Get past her Dad and I .
19...and Ward, I would not deserve any graddaughter of yours. However I do have a 14 year old little brother.....

[Codeman]

well i have a large amount of shotgun shell at my hosu so i would be taking those i am a really good bow hunter so i would be taking that too i have alot of gardening tools to take too and i go to the library and steal there collection of encyclopedias and the one thing you cant live without i would take my dog ;) lol

[DarkSlavik]

I would bring a tons of copies of patents, is that how you spell it

[Dave Howery]

dang, two hours. If the ASBs grabbed us at the wrong time of year, we couldn't even get vegetable seeds. I suppose I could load my backpack up with dried food, crossbow bolts, and whatever survival gear I could buy in two hours... hook my sleeping bag and pup tent to the frame... throw in my fishing gear minus pole (have to make one, I guess)... grab the heavy boots out of my truck... toss in my collection of hunting knives...
so, where is Yuppie's place at anyway? Hopefully somewhere with mild winters and near a river or lake....
Guys, I think we're screwed. Even if any of us knew how to farm in the old fashioned way, at this point in time, we don't have access to cattle or horses... all farming will be by hand, whatever we can save from the wildlife... hope someone is bringing shovels and hoes...

[Othniel]

South-eastern Colorado would be the perfect place for me. Fur-trading would be nice for the board members to do... ;)

[Dave Howery]

trade with who? 10,000 years ago, all the people around are hunter/gatherer types who have all the furs they need.... there's no civilized groups in the entire world, no money.. heck, there's nothing to buy, really...

[Forum Lurker]

dang, two hours. If the ASBs grabbed us at the wrong time of year, we couldn't even get vegetable seeds. I suppose I could load my backpack up with dried food, crossbow bolts, and whatever survival gear I could buy in two hours... hook my sleeping bag and pup tent to the frame... throw in my fishing gear minus pole (have to make one, I guess)... grab the heavy boots out of my truck... toss in my collection of hunting knives...
so, where is Yuppie's place at anyway? Hopefully somewhere with mild winters and near a river or lake....
Guys, I think we're screwed. Even if any of us knew how to farm in the old fashioned way, at this point in time, we don't have access to cattle or horses... all farming will be by hand, whatever we can save from the wildlife... hope someone is bringing shovels and hoes...

Potatos. First thing I grab is a big sack of potatos. The host of knives and other tools (folding saw, pruning shears, shovels) are also handy, since it'll be a decade at minimum before we'll have metallurgy on a significant scale.

We're not really screwed, since there's so little population that competition isn't tremendously fierce. We'll be hungry, yes, but I don't foresee any starvation; luckily, it's summer now, so we'll have months to lay in a stock of food and work on getting shelter built.

[Othniel]

trade with who? 10,000 years ago, all the people around are hunter/gatherer types who have all the furs they need.... there's no civilized groups in the entire world, no money.. heck, there's nothing to buy, really...
No, but furs would be enough to keep us warm, and the animals would give us meat. Certain wildberries and such would certainly be enough to feed a small group of what, 2000 at most? We have forest and water in plenty...and well can start adapting to what is happening.

[Count Dearborn]

I'm not going. I'm 100 lbs overweight, I have bad knees, and all manner other genetic demons waiting for me as I get older. I'm 34, and giving me the body I had at 25 will not help, as I have been overweight my entire adult life. Maybe we can talk the ASB's into giving you a link to the future, I'd be willing to be that link.

The whole idea sounds like Julian May's The Pleistocene Exile, just hope you don't run into an alien race who crash landed on Earth.

[Codeman]

well then this will give you a chance to become unoverweight

[Dave Howery]

I'm not going.
I don't think we have a choice. You're going.

so, where is Yuppie's place at anyway?

[Ward]

I Believe it some were in PA . But someone point out we would be in the iceage so we are moving south . So someone chose a good place .

Also if you have a red wagon or two wheeler or some thing like that you can fill it and bring it . I would be able with my Faimly to bring 6 calfs . By the way my faamily is almost 50 strong with my kids my brother and sisters familys and there kids .

[Forum Lurker]

If we're starting from Pennsylvania, we'll want to stick to the eastern seaboard; Chesapeake Bay is probably a good place to start looking.

[Dave Howery]

well, if PA is too close to the glaciers, move down to TX... it ought to be well watered at this time...

[Othniel]

Or South Carolina, it should be nice at anytime of the year during an Ice age...

[Dave Howery]

a couple of things about this scenario:
North America, 10,000 BC. Not only do we have to put up with an abundance of the local wildlife we're familiar with, we'll have to watch out for mammoths, mastodons, sabertooths, short-faced bears, camels, and other such prehistoric critters.
The original post said we and our families would be going. Aren't most of us single males? We are the whole family. Thus, there is going to be an overwhelming male majority in our new home. No problem, you might think, we'll get wives from the natives. However, in 10,000 BC, humans are still pretty thin on the ground, and no tribe is going to like 200+ horny strange men coming after their women. And if we did, what will happen to the natives? Will our diseases wipe them out, as happened in Columbus' time? Our arrival just might set back the settlement of the Americas by hundreds of years...

[rewster]

Well, unlike the conquistadors, I do not believe most of us have too many deadly contagious diseases in our systems. We'll most likely have the more limited effects that post-smallpox-vaccine colonists in the Pacific had, or even less so, since we're all probably generally healthier than even 19th century folk.

Hmm, if we can find them, we can domesticate horses a lot sooner than they were reintroduced in OTL. Or camels, either way. Well ok, we can tame horses... our descendants will figure out how to domesticate them.
With Ward bringing baby cows, and us finding horses, and bringing lots of seeds, and what with all the modern bows and shotguns and things some of us have, I think we'd do pretty well, even without too much practical knowledge. Our descendants would most likely conquer Eurasia.

I may be technically a single male but my girlfriend has already told me she'd marry me so given two hours I'd force a preacher somewhere to marry us on the spot. Too bad though, the idea of capturing a wife is appealing to the more primitive aspects of my nature.

[Forum Lurker]

Fortunately, the horses don't get wiped out for another 2,000 years OTL, so we could domesticate them. While yes, the inimical fauna would be problematic, we do have much better tools available than those around us, and while our knowledge of domestication is entirely theoretical, it's still a huge leap forward from the purely accidental domestications which happened in OTL Eurasia and largely didn't happen in North America.

I had assumed that "family" would include the nuclear family of an unmarried college student; if it's only legal spouse and children, then yes, we're going to be male-heavy. While unpalatable to most, it may very well be that the traditional method is the only workable one in this case.

[Ward]

Fortunately, the horses don't get wiped out for another 2,000 years OTL, so we could domesticate them. While yes, the inimical fauna would be problematic, we do have much better tools available than those around us, and while our knowledge of domestication is entirely theoretical, it's still a huge leap forward from the purely accidental domestications which happened in OTL Eurasia and largely didn't happen in North America.

I had assumed that "family" would include the nuclear family of an unmarried college student; if it's only legal spouse and children, then yes, we're going to be male-heavy. While unpalatable to most, it may very well be that the traditional method is the only workable one in this case.


No I'm being nasty it means your parents and brother and sister , there kids and if you are married your in-iaws .

[Mayhem]

1. Solar-powered laptop to contain the collected knowledge of humanity- more durable than books :D

2. Wheat seeds. Lots and lots of wheat seeds. Grains are the basis of urban civilisation, so YAY.

3. A herd of sheep if I can get them (I might...); for wool, meat and milk.

4. A hatchet. Never seen a more versatile tool.

5. A compass. Invaluable for navigation and future expansion of the AH Empire.

The way I see it, we all migrate further South, the overpopulation of males and numerical superiority (not to mention secret tech) giving us a profound advantage over the natives. They see the bonuses of settled life, joining with our glorious tribe which eventually conquers all of the Americas, thanks to the aforementioned secret tech. Following the end of the Ice Age, and developments in shipbuilding technology, our descendants cross the Atlantic and kick Eurasian butt, embracing all the world into a global hegemony with facility. GO ISOT GO!!!

[sbegin]

Anybody that has a rowboat, canoe, etc, bring them along, pack all your stuff in them. If we settle by the Cheseapeake, we can pretty much live off oysters, crab, fish, etc.
I live in a condo, so don't have any tools. My family is very widely scattered, does that matter? If not, then my father is a master builder - give him wood and tools, and we'll all have snug little huts by winter!! He has every kind of woodworking tool, unfortunately, they're all electrical.
Grocery store across the street, with a garden center: load up on seeds, spices, salt, sugar, coffee - they take Visa!
Library, 5 min drive away - get all their self help books. Print all my notes about making stuff: soap, glass, charcoal, etc.
All I've got for weapons are lots of knives, maybe put long handles on them, from brooms and such, and make primitive spears.
We'd be OK for a while, but the 2nd generation will not. We've had the benefit of a broad education, the internet, lots of books: they'll have none of that. No medicine like we got, so higher death rate, etc.
We could probably still establish a civilization, but it might take a while to build up.

[rewster]

Speaking of shipbuilding, since Ward said my sister's coming, she's working towards her captain's license for tallships, and if I warn her to get married quick, her boyfriend is a shipbuilder. So all we need is some coast and we got sailing ships. W00t.
Also with my parents and brother that's an elementary school teacher and two ex-dairy-farmers who now run a chainsaw repair shop... so there's some practical knowledge for ya.

[rewster]

We'd be OK for a while, but the 2nd generation will not. We've had the benefit of a broad education, the internet, lots of books: they'll have none of that. No medicine like we got, so higher death rate, etc.
We could probably still establish a civilization, but it might take a while to build up.
But... I just said my Mom's a teacher... she'll teach your kids too, I promise! When she retires my girlfriend is also studying to be a teacher (and could apprentice under my Mom I suppose) so she'll pick up that slack. All the captured wives will have knowledge of herbal remedies, and once we teach them English they'll help out too. Of course the deathrate is higher than it is for us here and now... but you can only expect so much.

Ooh, I just thought of something... since none of us likely has any deadly contagious diseases, there's still going to be mutual die-off once our descendants invade Eurasia/Africa/Australia. Is anyone up for raiding the local pediatric clinic in their final two hours? :rolleyes:

[IronYuppie]

I'm not going. I'm 100 lbs overweight, I have bad knees, and all manner other genetic demons waiting for me as I get older. I'm 34, and giving me the body I had at 25 will not help, as I have been overweight my entire adult life. Maybe we can talk the ASB's into giving you a link to the future, I'd be willing to be that link.

The whole idea sounds like Julian May's The Pleistocene Exile, just hope you don't run into an alien race who crash landed on Earth.

You're coming, o' chuncky member of my generation. We'll work you in the water (to save your knees) setting fish traps and harvesting reeds that we'll use for lovely chair seats. In six months time you'll have to eat massive amounts of our homegrown food just to maintain your weight. It's just like the amish spa, or a shaker community. But I don't get any kick backs, damn.

[Dave Howery]

No I'm being nasty it means your parents and brother and sister , there kids and if you are married your in-iaws .
wow.. ok, that's a problem. First of all, my mom and dad are old and divorced, and if forced to live in such close proximity, one would kill the other. Second, my sister has 4 kids, my brother has 4 kids, so that's a big jump in the population right there. On the plus side, my sister and her husband, my brother and his wife, and my other brother's wife are all teachers....

[Archangel Michael]

I could probably get a hold of a lot of cattle, horses, pigs, and seeds in just about two hours, if I had the money. Maybe somebody could bring a few books on saddle making. My mom grew up on a farm an knows how to ride a horse. Are we talking grandparents too? If we are, my paternal grandmother grew up on and owns a farm and my maternal grandfather grew up and used to be a farmer until he retired.

[Dave Howery]

the original post says we can take only what we can carry. If you can carry a horse, I'd hate to run into you in a dark alley.....

[Archangel Michael]

the original post says we can take only what we can carry. If you can carry a horse, I'd hate to run into you in a dark alley.....

What if we can ride it?

[Ward]

wow.. ok, that's a problem. First of all, my mom and dad are old and divorced, and if forced to live in such close proximity, one would kill the other. Second, my sister has 4 kids, my brother has 4 kids, so that's a big jump in the population right there. On the plus side, my sister and her husband, my brother and his wife, and my other brother's wife are all teachers....



Rember they would have there bodies as they were at 25 .

[Dave Howery]

nice for me and my siblings (who are all in our 40's now) and parents, but unless the ASBs wipe their memories too, my parents will still hate each other...

[sbegin]

But... I just said my Mom's a teacher... she'll teach your kids too, I promise! When she retires my girlfriend is also studying to be a teacher (and could apprentice under my Mom I suppose) so she'll pick up that slack. All the captured wives will have knowledge of herbal remedies, and once we teach them English they'll help out too. Of course the deathrate is higher than it is for us here and now... but you can only expect so much.

They may be teachers, and can teach how to read, write and count. But... very few teaching materials, no chemistry lab, no physics experiments, etc. Our kids will get what would now be considered a very minimal education. Society as we know it would get a serious "downgrading". As they said in 1632 - "gear-down!!" :eek:

[Anthony Appleyard]

It will really suck to not have access to cattle and horses; we'll have to plow everything by hand and human labor.:)

We could bring young calves and foals.

[Ward]

We could bring young calves and foals.



I'm Bringing about 7 Calves and 20 chickens .

[Ward]

***bump***

[userid]

lol think they would give us a few dbz type capsules? make a quick run over to costco and get a few generators, solar panels, bags of rice, flour, sugar, salt and fill a big tank of gas. run over to home depot and get all the chainsaws, axes, hammers, generators, gardening tools, lumber, nails.

who says we have to buy the things? we just need to be holding them when the 2 hrs are up.

if they gave eveyone going back 2hrs waring id send everyone to get diffrent supplys. a group to get dry goods and can goods. a group to get camping supplys. a group to get clothing. a group to get tools and most important someone needs to get weapons (guns, bow and arrows, knives)

[Dave Howery]

it occurs to me that I'll probably be maxing out my credit cards and then vanishing from the earth... ha ha!!

[VulcanTrekkie45]

Let's see... If I have two hours, I'd pack up absolutely everything in my dorm (you never know what might come in handy) and I have a gargantuan family: 44 first cousins, their parents, their children. I also have a few textbooks, and my uncle is a master sailor. That'll definitely help us out. Also, I have working knowledge of some farming, fishing, candle making, and fire starting. I used to be a Boy Scout. I'l just call everyone up and tell them to get ready. How's that sound? Me and my probably about 100 strong family will definitely help you guys out.