Old General Shared Worlds Chat

[Matt]

Chat related to Shared worlds stuff, but not to actual game play can go in 'ere kiddies.... starting with this:

Ok guys, it looks like quite a few people want to try ME while we have two running already. I'd acualty like to try and write up a version to play so the anouther community of ME players are able to RP. We, as vetrans, could play as smaller inactive countries under the protection of the ASBs so we can help them start out and establise a normal RPing direction. For example we all found out that all powerful nations tend to ruin games. Nations whom invade with endless occupation and tend to dominate the landscape are seen as too hard to control so instead of Brute we should encourage a time of tension at the beginning of Play. I don't know exactly where I'm going with this, prehaps a limited mosacic earth were vetran players are just there to give advise instead of rping the scenarios. It could be a sort of induction that the Practice ME did... a sort of free for all world creator. I'd just like to get more varity in the nations happening throughout ME so we can recruit into the next one. So should we start an LME (limited mosasic Earth) until we decide to start ME8?

[Matt]

I'm not opposed to this Oth, basically it would be a little warm up for all those newer players interested in getting there feet wet.

[Othniel]

Now to decide to a time period. 1927 with a 1935 tech cap should work nicely. I think in order to make the acronym sound right that we should call it LiME (Limited Moasic Earth) ;)

[Matt]

OoooOOO very clever there Oth! You get a sticker :D

Anyways. The inter-war years haven't been done yet, so possibly. Besides that what else hasn't been done? Maybe for the easier getting into contemporay 2005 date or tech?

[Glen]

OoooOOO very clever there Oth! You get a sticker :D

Anyways. The inter-war years haven't been done yet, so possibly. Besides that what else hasn't been done? Maybe for the easier getting into contemporay 2005 date or tech?

I'd go with the inter-war years ISOT date if you're going to try this. We're sorta doing the 2005 one to death in the Practice ME (although with the large number of exotic PODs, people might not notice<G>).

I still think we can accomplish a lot of the same thing just using what we've started in the Practice ME. I don't want us to get TOO distracted from the ongoing MEs.

Of course, if we were to limit it to new players (not already involved in ME6 or ME7), and maybe instead ask our veteran players to take on some of the 'NPC' nations as necessary....that might be interesting and useful.

Hmm, what if you made it an interwar year POD, and then made all the unclaimed areas OTL 1777? Then ask vet players as needed to assume the role of those 1777 nations. That could be fun...

[General_Paul]

I'm in for LME! Sounds like fun. Oth, you got my support of it.

[Lauranthalas]

I think it's a good idea (especially since I see what I am writing right now as the Pirate Nation for the practise ME) :D

[Landshark]

ME nations all come from different TLs but what about an ME where we decide on a single POD (Say America losing the ARW) and all the nations come from different TL that occured after that POD.

i.e. You devide North America between countries from TL's where the North American Union is a proud part of the British Empire and where there was an even more vicious revolution in the 1870's.

[DuQuense]

I think a Napoleon POD would give more latitude, If all PODs were set in the Napoleonic wars................

[reformer]

I'll go along with this and all, but isn't a Mosaic Europe with an earlier ISOT like we almost did earlier a more practicall and originall way to do limited ME without just starting a whole new ME world?

[Othniel]

Why I choose the late 1920s for Limited

I choose them because they where in between two world wars and it would be easy enough to set a short game in. Let me explain. The communication is quick enough that it isn't painfully fast or slow. It doesn't have much high tech or anything to the extreme, but has high enough tech that people can meunver reasonably within the era. You can give a goal or a constant. Say we decided on a nighttwenties ME where the limits were tech, BUILDING (not avioding but rather have a goal to set up WW2) towards a second world war, and move and a time rate that is quicker than normal MEs with an end date in mind.

I got to thinking how many different results for the end of the great war can we have? Or from the turn of the century could you influence your nation into a postion. I figure giving people a small bit of a famillar setting would be rather intresting, but I'm curious to what the newbies have to say about what they are looking for in an ME with a planned end date?

[Glen]

I like the 1920s setting very much.

I would like to suggest that if we do go forward to this that we order the selection of nations from newest to oldest, so that newbies get first dibs, making it more attractive to them. Besides, the old hands have had their shot at a lot of the nations they want to play.

Would you have a small POD window for this one? Say limited to POD 1900?

[DuQuense]

I would prefer to wind up ME6 by talking out the fast forward [instead of play it out]
and then go into ME 8 [Yes whe can have a different name for it]

[Matt]

I like the 1920s setting very much.

I would like to suggest that if we do go forward to this that we order the selection of nations from newest to oldest, so that newbies get first dibs, making it more attractive to them. Besides, the old hands have had their shot at a lot of the nations they want to play.

Would you have a small POD window for this one? Say limited to POD 1900?


In a normal ME I wouldn't be a big fan of a POD limit, however for this it would facilitate a better learning curve. For the most part nations would be fairly recognizable to one and other, and relations can begin almost post-haste.

I would prefer to wind up ME6 by talking out the fast forward [instead of play it out]

I know my opinion isn't a popular one, but I really think it's time we lay ME6 down to rest. It had a good run, and was a good dog.... er game.

[DuQuense]

I don't like just dropping the Game, which is why i suggest the talkout the future of ME 6 before opening a new game [?early to mid 30's great depression era?]

[General_Paul]

I have to go with you on this one MBarry. ME6 has had a good run, and its been a good game, but its time to move on. I say we go with the idea of ME8 in the 1920's, while continuing ME7 at the same time. And in that spirit, I CALL THE USA AND CANADA!

[Imajin]

Fine, In ME8 I claim the Iberian Peninsula, and a good chunk of North Africa which I posted a map of somewhere in ME7Chat.
Oh, and the Arabian Peninsula and Palestine (including Transjordan).

But I like ME6 and the HRE... Though I have to admit, ME6 is dead, and pretending it's alive won't do any good... I think it may have been the longest lasting ME, though I'm not sure how long SME or ME5 (The other two contenders, AFAIK) lasted...

[Forum Lurker]

This seems like an interesting way to while away a summer. Now, with that small a departure window, interesting nations are somewhat limited; I think I'll choose the area encompassed by OTL's Russian Empire.

[Imajin]

Hm, if we're going to have a POD Limit for ME8, that changes things.. I can see why we'd have a POD limit for an "LME"...

But the best way to get into Mosaic Earth, is, in my opinion, simply to play a large-scale one, so if we're going to end ME6, we should follow it up with a normal "POD Limit-less" ME....

[Othniel]

If we are going to do ME8 I think we should do a claim by numbers as to prevent HUGE land grabs.

[Imajin]

If we are going to do ME8 I think we should do a claim by numbers as to prevent HUGE land grabs.
Something like this?

On that my claims would translate to EUR9+AFR1 and ME2+ME4.... Though maybe we should follow the early ME's example and limit claims to three? If so, I'd drop ME2...

[Othniel]

Acualty I was hoping for much smaller regions, like having the USA divided into tribal regions, and Russia divided into Smolsk, Novograd, Muscovy, and Kiev, having spain be Leon, Castille, Aragon...ect...

[Imajin]

Acualty I was hoping for much smaller regions, like having the USA divided into tribal regions, and Russia divided into Smolsk, Novograd, Muscovy, and Kiev, having spain be Leon, Castille, Aragon...ect...
Hm... well, that's a bit harder to draw on a regular world map, so to do that, I'd assume you'd need to start with one of the region maps for each.. hm..

[Othniel]

Like we did with IE. The USA should be the sixe of nicargau unless you want to see me claim a fiecrely indpendant UPCA with Cuba, Puerto Rico and the Dominican Republic. I'd also have to claim a nation having Ecuador, Peru, and Boliva if all this happened....

[Imajin]

My attempt to superdivide Europe...
EDIT: The Tyrol should be separate from hte Rest of Austria- Sorry about that.

[Othniel]

In reaction to General Paul's post I was orginally going to say I claim from Mexico South, except for Brazil because it was portuguise but that seemed unfair to the rest of you. In fact I think Nomadic Sky wants to play as Canada really bad. And I don't tink it would be wise for me to play as Brazil again...(in some form or other....)

A Paraguay in the 1970s on the other hand is something I'll claim in a heartbeat if we do something post Korea...

[Imajin]

I forsee a problem with the Superdivision. We're not going to get enough people to have low numbers of claims, but if someone wants to play Russia, instead of using three on EUR10, ASIA1, and ME7, they'd simply use more claims to get all of it...

I should note you aren't limited to one nation in your region- In SME we had nations comiong along with chunks of other nations, etc... It doesn't even have to be all of your nation.

[Othniel]

Then we should use overlapping claims and give than land to the less powerful....

[Imajin]

I don't see the problem with having large nations. I mean, we've had them in past MEs...

[Ward]

I think we need to set a date to claim countries and have everyone claim one area before you claim more . Say on Sunday june 26 .

[Imajin]

I think we need to set a date to claim countries and have everyone claim one area before you claim more . Say on Sunday june 26 .
Definately not on a Sunday- Thanks to parental restrictions, I am not allowed to use the Computers on Sunday until after dinner... So I would miss out, and the game would be ruined for lack of... um, me.

[Imajin]

Sudden idea... we all PM a list of say, six, regions we'd want to take to a Game Master, who then chooses a random order out of it, and then goes in order, each person getting Three Regions.
As an example, say we have three people:
PERSON A: 1, 3, 5, 4, 6, 7
PERSON B: 3, 1, 2, 5, 7, 6
PERSON C: 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7
The order chosen is BCA.

So person B gets 3, his first choice, then Person C gets 2, then Person A gets 1. On the second round, Person B can't get 1, so it goes to 2, which he can't get, so it goes to 5, and so on...

[Ward]

Definately not on a Sunday- Thanks to parental restrictions, I am not allowed to use the Computers on Sunday until after dinner... So I would miss out, and the game would be ruined for lack of... um, me.



You could PM the ay before some one you choise of country ,

I just tired of some people claiming 6 countries at once before any one else can put in a claim .

[Othniel]

I get tired of never having a chance to play as the US... that's why I ended up with one nation in ME6... and parts of the US in ME7...

[Leej]

You should try ME on a small scale- individual cities all in the same area going to a otherwise empty world.
Would be original and more exciting.

[Imajin]

You should try ME on a small scale- individual cities all in the same area going to a otherwise empty world.
Would be original and more exciting.
That's what the point of Mosaic Europe was- a "small area"... didn't seem to work...

An attempt to improve on my past zones map:

[Othniel]

How about this, if we are going to do ME8 we suspend all claiming for a week until we know who is going to play. We should at least wait until Condi gets back and we are certain the players of the other MEs are here and willing to play before any formal claims are made.

[Matt]

whoa whoa whoa....

No ME8 yet... just LME for any new players. Thats the final word.

[Othniel]

Should I start the threads for LiME then Mbarry?

[Ward]

I would like the US in like North East , MidWest , South East , South Central, Plains Area , Northwest, and South West .

[Imajin]

No ME8 yet... just LME for any new players. Thats the final word.
You know, I have to question the wisdom of setting up a "Limited" Moasic Earth for new players... (In fact, I could also question Oth's anylysis that allpowerful nations ruin games, but I won't for now) The best way to get into a Moasic Earth is to simply play in a full one, and I have to say that ME6 is certified dead, so now is a good time for a new one.

And really, I know you are a moderator and this is going to sound far more insulting than I mean it to, but why should you be able to jump in and say "That's the final word."? If you think it's a bad time to start an ME8, could you at least say why?

[perdedor99]

I say no ME8 yet. let give a proper burial to ME6 with a fast forward. Them we have to cut the loose ends of ME7 to take them into the fast forward and give it a fresh look. Them we can begin to think about a ME8. And yes, I think ME6 has been the longest running one. Almost a year of ME time. Amazing. But ME7 is catching up. I guess we are getting better in the diplomacy game.

[Landshark]

ME nations all come from different TLs but what about an ME where we decide on a single POD (Say America losing the ARW) and all the nations come from different TL that occured after that POD.

i.e. You devide North America between countries from TL's where the North American Union is a proud part of the British Empire and where there was an even more vicious revolution in the 1870's.

I was wondering where this had gotten to.

[Othniel]

I still would like to give newer players a chance to adjust to how ME is played without getting traumatized by our equivlant of playing ME as much as some play Evercrack (quest).. level 43 fan boys slaughtering newbies is never good. Something of equality issues need to be adressed in playing a sperate game from us so that we can focus on the game at hand, which is ME7. I think having an LME so that they can get the gist of the game without having the problems that say.. Aussie had early on in the games?

[Imajin]

I still would like to give newer players a chance to adjust to how ME is played without getting traumatized by our equivlant of playing ME as much as some play Evercrack (quest).. level 43 fan boys slaughtering newbies is never good. Something of equality issues need to be adressed in playing a sperate game from us so that we can focus on the game at hand, which is ME7. I think having an LME so that they can get the gist of the game without having the problems that say.. Aussie had early on in the games?
Well, the thing is, Everquest isn't too much of a comparison. After all, it's not like we'll be ISOTing something on 2000-level while the newbs have say, Dark Ages Visigothica...

I can, however, see some of a point there... Aussey's main confusion, I should note, is that he didn't know there WAS an ISOT... :p Maybe we should have some sort of a LME, but I'll still object to POD limits, simply because they stifle creative nations, which is what we should be trying to promote...

[Othniel]

Well, the thing is, Everquest isn't too much of a comparison. After all, it's not like we'll be ISOTing something on 2000-level while the newbs have say, Dark Ages Visigothica...

I can, however, see some of a point there... Aussey's main confusion, I should note, is that he didn't know there WAS an ISOT... :p Maybe we should have some sort of a LME, but I'll still object to POD limits, simply because they stifle creative nations, which is what we should be trying to promote...
Normally I hate them as well, but for the purpose of simplicity and playablity a POD limit would probably be wise for a Tutorial. It allows for diversions in a famillar sense instead of getting countries like Alsance and Loraine which tend to confuse people like me in the extreme. You got to admit that an overabundance of titles can be confusing when put in a modren sense. We could say, go with a POD limit of say 1800... at least then we have nations that look fimilliar.

[Imajin]

Normally I hate them as well, but for the purpose of simplicity and playablity a POD limit would probably be wise for a Tutorial. It allows for diversions in a famillar sense instead of getting countries like Alsance and Loraine which tend to confuse people like me in the extreme. You got to admit that an overabundance of titles can be confusing when put in a modren sense. We could say, go with a POD limit of say 1800... at least then we have nations that look fimilliar.
But I don't see the point... As long as you have a map, you know where countries are... as for overabundance of titles, we have that past 1900... In fact, this is the title of the King of Spain today:

S. M. Don Juan Carlos I De Borbón y Borbón, Rey de España, Rey de Castilla, de León, de Aragón, de las Dos Sicilias, de Jerusalén, de Navarra, de Granada, de Toledo, de Valencia, de Galicia, de Cerdeña, de Córdoba, de Córcega, de Murcia, de Jaén, de los Algarves, de Algerciras, de Gibraltar, de las Islas Canarias, de las Indias Orientales y Occidentales, de las Islas y Tierra Firme del Mar Océano; Archiduque de Austria; Duque de Borgoña, de Brabante, de Milán, de Atenas y Neopatria; Conde de Habsburgo, de Flandes, del Tirol, del Rosellón, y de Barcelona; Señor de Vizcaya y de Molina; Capitán General de las Reales Fuerzas Armadas y su Comandante Supremo; Soberano Gran maestre de la Insigne Orden del Toisón de Oro, y de cuantas Ordenes discierne el Estado Español...

[Othniel]

But I don't see the point... As long as you have a map, you know where countries are... as for overabundance of titles, we have that past 1900... In fact, this is the title of the King of Spain today:

S. M. Don Juan Carlos I De Borbón y Borbón, Rey de España, Rey de Castilla, de León, de Aragón, de las Dos Sicilias, de Jerusalén, de Navarra, de Granada, de Toledo, de Valencia, de Galicia, de Cerdeña, de Córdoba, de Córcega, de Murcia, de Jaén, de los Algarves, de Algerciras, de Gibraltar, de las Islas Canarias, de las Indias Orientales y Occidentales, de las Islas y Tierra Firme del Mar Océano; Archiduque de Austria; Duque de Borgoña, de Brabante, de Milán, de Atenas y Neopatria; Conde de Habsburgo, de Flandes, del Tirol, del Rosellón, y de Barcelona; Señor de Vizcaya y de Molina; Capitán General de las Reales Fuerzas Armadas y su Comandante Supremo; Soberano Gran maestre de la Insigne Orden del Toisón de Oro, y de cuantas Ordenes discierne el Estado Español...
Didn't Spain become I Republic after Franco's son took over?

[Imajin]

Didn't Spain become I Republic after Franco's son took over?
No, Franco's son didn't take over. Franco made a Carlist heir, Juan Carlos, Prince of Spain, hoping that after Franco's death he would cotniue Spanish fascism.
However, Juan Carlos instead reformed and democratized the nation... He's still a constitutional monarch, though.

The point of posting that was simply because you mentioned long titles confusing people... That title includs such things as "King of Two Sicilies" and "Archduke of Austria"...

[Forum Lurker]

And King of Jerusalem. My, wouldn't that upset a few people.

[Imajin]

And King of Jerusalem. My, wouldn't that upset a few people.
That's a rather common title for monarchs to claim, actually... the Emperor of Austria claimed it (Admittedly, the Emperor claimed pretty much every title in existance) as did the King of the Two Sicilies, the King of Italy, and the King of France...

[Othniel]

The Joint Communards of Western Europe would be an intresting country to play, yes?

[reformer]

Ya know, I'd like a chance to get back into the gaming world here. If we keep on delaying, nothings gonna happen.

Also, I have a suggestion for a comprimise to prevent oldies from destroying newbies: Reserve some countries for the newbies. The powerful ones. Therefor the US, Russia, Germany, and Great Britain can only be claimed by newbies. Its kinda cruel to have people like Gen Paul claim the US.

Otheniel, I think your overestimating the number of newbies out there. There aren't enough players for LiME. Practice ME is what we used for newbies and people who are just bored. A minature game is just silly. Maybe you folks can finish ME6 ups while ME8 is in planning. . . it takes about two and a half weeks you know.

As far as POD, I have a suggestion. 1800, BUT there has to have been an equivalent of WWI during the last 20 years. Some major world war involving European central powers.

[Imajin]

As far as POD, I have a suggestion. 1800, BUT there has to have been an equivalent of WWI during the last 20 years. Some major world war involving European central powers.
I don't see why. As I've said, why should we have to stifle people's creativity by putting in POD limits?

Also, I have a suggestion for a comprimise to prevent oldies from destroying newbies: Reserve some countries for the newbies. The powerful ones. Therefor the US, Russia, Germany, and Great Britain can only be claimed by newbies. Its kinda cruel to have people like Gen Paul claim the US.
But you can theoretically put a superpower anywhere... And I mean, how many countries have been wiped out in say, ME7? One, Oldenburg, and that wasn't really "wiped out"...

[reformer]

Well, look at practice ME. Very creative with lots of weird PODs. But the TLs have very little similarity to each other. In a real game, we need some points of reference.

I also have another point to make. Non official ME games havn't worked. Look at Alterverse. Look at MEuro. Look at Inverse Earth II. All pitiful. This is the way the game continues: ME8. Or maybe for fun we can figure out a different name, but still. . .

[Imajin]

Well, look at practice ME. Very creative with lots of weird PODs. But the TLs have very little similarity to each other. In a real game, we need some points of reference.
Ah, but SME, which had far more different states (we had quite a few Celtic nations, for example) was one of our longer lasting MEs. I don't see why we need a point of reference.

[Othniel]

Ya know, I'd like a chance to get back into the gaming world here. If we keep on delaying, nothings gonna happen.

Also, I have a suggestion for a comprimise to prevent oldies from destroying newbies: Reserve some countries for the newbies. The powerful ones. Therefor the US, Russia, Germany, and Great Britain can only be claimed by newbies. Its kinda cruel to have people like Gen Paul claim the US.

Otheniel, I think your overestimating the number of newbies out there. There aren't enough players for LiME. Practice ME is what we used for newbies and people who are just bored. A minature game is just silly. Maybe you folks can finish ME6 ups while ME8 is in planning. . . it takes about two and a half weeks you know.

As far as POD, I have a suggestion. 1800, BUT there has to have been an equivalent of WWI during the last 20 years. Some major world war involving European central powers.
LME is just that, a game that explores the basics and gives famillarity to the players involved. I only suggest putting POD limits on a LiME as to encourage a time of learning, say three weeks. By that time we could easily start a ME8 in comfort. In a regular ME I see no reason to limit the POD but in a TRIAL run it would be quite easy to allow a lack of creativity to but forward something playable. Less choas then a regular ME as to encourage people into playing the MEs without much problems.

[Othniel]

Well, look at practice ME. Very creative with lots of weird PODs. But the TLs have very little similarity to each other. In a real game, we need some points of reference.

I also have another point to make. Non official ME games havn't worked. Look at Alterverse. Look at MEuro. Look at Inverse Earth II. All pitiful. This is the way the game continues: ME8. Or maybe for fun we can figure out a different name, but still. . .
Inverse Earth did quite well. Of corse that was in one area with active players and growing tensions. Of corse we picked up in a world that was already in motion.

[Imajin]

I should note that even without a POD limit, most people will probably do a post-1800 POD anyway. Look at ME7, we have alot of post-1800 PODs, and our year was only 1887! And the powers were recognizinable: The United Kingdom, France, (Prussian) Germany, Russia... But if we didn't have the pre-1800 nations (Skandistan, Karelia, New Granada, etc.) it wouldn't have been as interesting.

[Othniel]

I should note that even without a POD limit, most people will probably do a post-1800 POD anyway. Look at ME7, we have alot of post-1800 PODs, and our year was only 1887! And the powers were recognizinable: The United Kingdom, France, (Prussian) Germany, Russia... But if we didn't have the pre-1800 nations (Skandistan, Karelia, New Granada, etc.) it wouldn't have been as interesting.
How confusing was it having a 476 AD POD though?

[Imajin]

How confusing was it having a 476 AD POD though?
What do you mean, Mauri-Africa? I didn't see too much confusion over your nation (Well, Persia deicding that it was part of the ancient Muslim lands, but that was only the Chat Thread)
Anyway, an ISOT is bound to cause confusion among nations, even with recent PODs...

[Othniel]

True, but I didn't go into detail at any point.

[Glen]

I would prefer to wind up ME6 by talking out the fast forward [instead of play it out]

I'd be cool with that.

And MBarry, I'm going to shock you and everyone by saying, yes, I think it is nearly time for ME6 to go nighty night. It was a good dog, as it were, but I think it's just time.


and then go into ME 8 [Yes whe can have a different name for it]

Let's at least get the ME7 fastforward completed and see how ME7(1899) is working before we start a full fledged ME8. Also, if we're going to do a LiME, do that and finish it before ME8. Maybe ME1899 and LiMe, and when both are completed, then we have ME8.

[reformer]

Inverse Earth is personally my favorite thing I've seen on these boards. It had three attributes that I think really helped that can be incorperated:
1: No single country was so hugely powerful that they completely overran everyone else. Some were more agressive than others, true, but no one was hugely overwhealming.
2. The person with the best navy didn't have a very good army, and vice versa.
3. Active diplomatic intrigue. Most of these games are very subtle. IE wasn't.

Sadly none of this was captured in IE2, and it collapsed immediately because nothing was happening. I really wish that we had instead either continued the original game or done a fast forward and see how the war really goes.

As for ME, what do you all think of my perposals up there?

[Glen]

I have to go with you on this one MBarry. ME6 has had a good run, and its been a good game, but its time to move on. I say we go with the idea of ME8 in the 1920's, while continuing ME7 at the same time. And in that spirit, I CALL THE USA AND CANADA!

No, let's do the 1920's as a LiME as Oth suggested, and hold off on ME8.

[Othniel]

That's why I said fast-paced, and that LiME should end when ME8 would begin or even before so that it is understandable. I was kinda hoping that Reformer would refresh his playing skills and take a lead in LiME as to gather those intrested in learning diplomacy and such...

[Imajin]

I should say I've warmed up to the idea of a LiME... I'm just against POD limits, is all...
If I understand the LiME idea, the newbs get the big nations (UK, Russia, USA) while the older members get smaller nations (Say, the Republic of Genoa...)... it seems to make sense, especially as ending up with a small nation and as soon as the game starts getting your butt kicked by a bigger nation can be annoying... (SME's Italo-Corsican War... whee, I'm incredibly new to AH at that point and 'm being attacked by a powerful Fascist Italy- I'm lucky I got to keep Corsica)

[Glen]

Fine, In ME8 I claim the Iberian Peninsula, and a good chunk of North Africa which I posted a map of somewhere in ME7Chat.
Oh, and the Arabian Peninsula and Palestine (including Transjordan).

We are not discussing ME8 yet, just LiME, a limited, fast-paced ME mostly for the benefit of people new to the game.

I say those who haven't played ME yet but show active involvement on the Practice ME should be given first dibs in the LiME.

But I like ME6 and the HRE... Though I have to admit, ME6 is dead, and pretending it's alive won't do any good... I think it may have been the longest lasting ME, though I'm not sure how long SME or ME5 (The other two contenders, AFAIK) lasted...

For me, I think of the game not so much as dead as having achieved many of my goals in the game. Zaire is thriving and safe, a major player on the world stage. Until WWIII, we don't really have much to do yet<g>.

[Othniel]

For me, I think of the game not so much as dead as having achieved many of my goals in the game. Zaire is thriving and safe, a major player on the world stage. Until WWIII, we don't really have much to do yet<g>.
Not to mention what happend with Brazil in Economic domination. :D

[Imajin]

We are not discussing ME8 yet, just LiME, a limited, fast-paced ME mostly for the benefit of people new to the game.
Well, if you look at the thread, we were discussing ME8....

I say those who haven't played ME yet but show active involvement on the Practice ME should be given first dibs in the LiME.
Sure...

For me, I think of the game not so much as dead as having achieved many of my goals in the game. Zaire is thriving and safe, a major player on the world stage. Until WWIII, we don't really have much to do yet<g>.
I agree... my main problem with ME6 is that I want to do something, but what? I suppose I could make another "HRE continues to occupy Java, soldiers get shot" post, but haven't there been enough of those? I assume Java is slowly pasicifng anyway.

[Othniel]

Then I guess that I should go through thoose that posted in the Practice thread, and the what is ME thread and ask them if they want to play LiME. I'll get their claims and such and start writting up the thread either tommorrow or Friday.

[reformer]

Ok, who exactly are the newbies, and how many of them are out there? If we are doing LiME, we should PM them and exsplain the idea and give them the choice of the juciest countries.

Also, it sounds like the tween wars ISOT is very popular, so maybe we should reserve that for ME8? Find a different date for LiME, or maybe even not have a date, and do what we did for Practice ME? How do we make the game faster, and makes sure it raps up in a month? I guess what we really need now is an ME like IE, fast, short, and close up. Newbies tend to be good at that I guess (IE was a game for newbies it seemed). I'm concerned that all we're doing here is delaying the continuation of ME, its slowing down. We have new people NOW. Why don't we use them, and start planning ME8, start in 3 weeks, at which point ME7 will have jumped forward and ME6 can be given a proper burriel. And then ME8 will be all ready to start.

[Glen]

Hm, if we're going to have a POD Limit for ME8, that changes things.. I can see why we'd have a POD limit for an "LME"...

But the best way to get into Mosaic Earth, is, in my opinion, simply to play a large-scale one, so if we're going to end ME6, we should follow it up with a normal "POD Limit-less" ME....

Yeah, but those normal MEs take a lot of time and energy, and play out over months. People sometimes get into them and find out that things just weren't working for them in the game. LiME would make a good, simple intro and wouldn't involve as open-ended of a commitment.

Limit the POD to 1900 and after.
Fast gametime pace.
Have a set endpoint to the game (outbreak of Alternate WWII?).

I think that would be the way to go with this. We are not yet ready for an ME8. ME7 began a little too early IMO.

[Imajin]

Yeah, but those normal MEs take a lot of time and energy, and play out over months. People sometimes get into them and find out that things just weren't working for them in the game. LiME would make a good, simple intro and wouldn't involve as open-ended of a commitment.

Limit the POD to 1900 and after.
Fast gametime pace.
Have a set endpoint to the game (outbreak of Alternate WWII?).

I think that would be the way to go with this. We are not yet ready for an ME8. ME7 began a little too early IMO.
All of that sounds fine, except for the POD limit. Why so late, especially if our year is 1920?

[Othniel]

Glen Finney 42
reformer 23
Othniel 17
Diamond 14
Lauranthalas 14
Imajin 11
DuQuense 10
MBarry 7
midgardmetal 4
NomadicSky 3
Darkest90 1
Mr. Glass 1
tetsu-katana 1


This is the list of posters in the practice theard. Underlined are those currently in ME, bold are the ones that are new to the game and italized are the ones that are vetran but not currently involved.

[Othniel]

All of that sounds fine, except for the POD limit. Why so late, especially if our year is 1920?
1802 should be the POD limit as to give room in avioding a Loiusanne purchase.

[Matt]

And really, I know you are a moderator and this is going to sound far more insulting than I mean it to, but why should you be able to jump in and say "That's the final word."? If you think it's a bad time to start an ME8, could you at least say why?

No offense taken at all. This started out as a discussion for LiME, and suddenly GP making claims for ME8. I see no reason for a land grab for this. I merely wanted to stop anyone from getting the idea that once ME8 does come around, that they made valid claim in here.

ME8 well be soon, and indeed I have been talking to Bulg and Glen about it for the past couple weeks. We have ideas, and once we refine them, then we'll go ahead. I don't want to say much, but we're thinking a mid-60s idea, and going with a combination of 2 or 3 superpowers combined with the parcel claiming system with the map dealy... (what are we calling that ? :p ).

Oh and one final note, manly to anyone who may play Russia or the United States or China. If you want to play them, I well greatly prefer to see that they have a few chunks missing out of them. And under no circumstances well a US that controls almost all of North America well be in play. **cough, cough GP cough*

[Imajin]

Oh and one final note, manly to anyone who may play Russia or the United States or China. If you want to play them, I well greatly prefer to see that they have a few chunks missing out of them. And under no circumstances well a US that controls almost all of North America well be in play. **cough, cough GP cough*
So I suppose trying to get the entire US from A Few More Stars (http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=16793) is completely out of the question? :D

[Matt]

So I suppose trying to get the entire US from A Few More Stars (http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=16793) is completely out of the question? :D


While I love a good ultra-expansionist America TL as much as the next American ;) , I'll have to say no, unless you're willing to have serious chunks of the country missing.

[Othniel]

Ooo, so I could play as the Mexico and Cuba portion from Decades of Darkness? :D

[Othniel]

What, why you looking at me like that? playing as a portion of a powerful nation as opposed to others?

[Imajin]

I always thought it might be interesting to have a TL with say, a Russian Empire that spans all Eurasia with significant holdings in the Americas, but only ISOT the area around St. Petersburg...
Which brings up an interesting question. In some of the past MEs, we've had the military come along with it. Would this result in a large number of Russian soldiers crammed into one city?

[Othniel]

As long as there is bed space...

[DuQuense]

For me, I think of the game not so much as dead as having achieved many of my goals in the game. Zaire is thriving and safe, a major player on the world stage. Until WWIII, we don't really have much to do yet<g>.

I feel the same about the FSR and WATO So lets move the ME 6 to the Chat thread. But I've still lots of Ideas for ME7 so lets just play that one for a while.

Whe went with the Nation Calling as the divided Areas Map idea wasn't working well

I Notice the Mr glass and Nordic Sky haven't posted their Ideas here. Maybe one of the Mods PM them and ask their opinions.

Whe could use my 8 continent map [see Kaiser Bill v Hitler in ASB forum] and give the newbies Australia and Greenland.

[Imajin]

As long as there is bed space...
Well, if tourist season is over, there may be alot of empty hotels... And maybe they appear on beds in storerooms?

[Matt]

I always thought it might be interesting to have a TL with say, a Russian Empire that spans all Eurasia with significant holdings in the Americas, but only ISOT the area around St. Petersburg...
Which brings up an interesting question. In some of the past MEs, we've had the military come along with it. Would this result in a large number of Russian soldiers crammed into one city?


Thats a recent devolpment(with ME6), and oddly enough the scenerio that you described hasn't really come up yet. I think with a situation such as that we can negotiate how much exactly gets spared.

[Diamond]

Inverse Earth did quite well. Of corse that was in one area with active players and growing tensions. Of corse we picked up in a world that was already in motion.
Yup, the Caribbean was the only area that took off. I almost think it hurt more than it helped to have a common history though; there was so much tension in determining how our nations interacted in the past...

As a SME player, that particular ME was my favorite. I've lurked on most of the successive MEs to see how they go (and to be entertained), and it seems like there's just not as much... variety as there was on SME. For one thing, that being the first ME we did on this board, there were a helluva lot more people creating nations - something like 15 people IIRC. The problem was that people claimed an area but then dropped out of the game (like me) or worse yet, claimed an area and then never did anything with it. That problem seems to have been solved in later MEs though.

Another thing is (and I could be wrong), there seemed to be a lot more intrigue in SME than in later ones. We had piratical separatists from my New Hebrides allying with GBW's Sky Pirates to disrupt trade and overthrow governments, everybody was backstabbing and plotting how to take out that Nazi region in the Caucasus, there were alliances being forged against DuQuense(?)'s Spanish Inquisition Morocco... it just seemed a lot more varied than the one-horse show that a lot of the later MEs seem to turn into.

Not meaning to offend anyone (and I really have no room to talk, since I flaked anyway), but its just my 2 cents.

[Othniel]

So a Feburary ISOT it is then ;)

[Imajin]

I have to agree with you, Diamond. We had a lot more factions in SME that we haven't managed to duplicate, as well as more creative nations, for example, your Khaganate and Litawijas.

[Matt]

Predictable things in recent MEs?

Ward playing France?

Aussey freaking and demanding that it isn't happening when going to war?

General Paul allying with Lauranatlas by default and starting a nonsensical conflict?

NEVER!!!

:D

[Othniel]

As a SME player, that particular ME was my favorite. I've lurked on most of the successive MEs to see how they go (and to be entertained), and it seems like there's just not as much... variety as there was on SME. For one thing, that being the first ME we did on this board, there were a helluva lot more people creating nations - something like 15 people IIRC. The problem was that people claimed an area but then dropped out of the game (like me) or worse yet, claimed an area and then never did anything with it. That problem seems to have been solved in later MEs though.

Well for one SME was a novel import so you attract wierder ideas at first. As time goes on many of those players did drop out if I'm not mistaken. Something about the numbers system that attracts people at first and then degenerates into only the hard core staying around. If you notice IE you'd see it attracted those that normally played and those new to the game. As it happend I ended up leader of IE intil it started.

The sponity and creativity of some ideas were declined in favor of stabillity and playabllity. Come ME8 I will try some ideas that are completely off the wall but until then I just want to try my hand at organizing on a smaller level again. I do want to see some crazy ideas like MBarry's Suarian TL.

[perdedor99]

For me, I think of the game not so much as dead as having achieved many of my goals in the game. Zaire is thriving and safe, a major player on the world stage. Until WWIII, we don't really have much to do yet

I agree. With ME6 being of the 2005 we are moving like real world now. Diplomacy and talk take the place of War. And with the memory of the BioWar you can count with no major wars happening at all in ME6. It will be nice to see the GDI Alliance, the Teheran Pact and the Bogota-Ottawa Axis in their three way Cold War. But not much to do with this dog anymore.

[General_Paul]

I'd like to do my Indian City States Idea that I posted a while ago! If so, I'd like to claim the West Coast of the USA then! I always was partial to that idea.

[Imajin]

I think the Mafia TL in the Practice ME is pretty interesting... I wonder how that would fare in a 'real' ME...

[Othniel]

Any last words before I write up LiME then? So far I think I'm placing it 1927 right before the depression which can be on its corse to be avioded in some TLS. There will be a goal of creating a World War Two and newbs will get preference over the the vetrans. (Although I imagine I can reserve Andorra...) The practice ME has taught many how to post nations and I think we can have a timescale of prehaps a week for every 2 days RL... I think MBarry should tell me when ME8 will start so that I can detrimine that. POD limit will be 1820 as to give intresting tls to play with including the CSA and North Mexico....but stay with in a fimillar limit.

[Imajin]

I say push the POD limit back to the Congress of Vienna, as that can create some itneresting affects, but still have coherency as well.

[Othniel]

1813 then?

[Glen]

All of that sounds fine, except for the POD limit. Why so late, especially if our year is 1920?

I thought the year would be 1925?

I was going for a generation difference, so 1900.

If it was 1920, I suppose 1895.

However, I prefer ISOT 1925, POD 1900.

[Imajin]

1813 then?
Sure, sounds fine to me... The Congress of Vienna is interesting to me because the European nations were redrawn so there are alot of things that could happen (Prussia keeps it's part of Poland, doesn't get Rhineland, Republic of Genoa restored, More punishment to pro-Napoleon nations (Denmark loses Schleswig-Holstein to Prussia?))...
Of course, the most I'll probably get is Andorra (on a completely different note, I once fooled around with a implausible TL where Boris stays King and Catalonia joins Andorra during the Spanish Civil War to escape Franco)...

[perdedor99]

I always try to get three nations, one powerful, one middle of the group and one weakling that always start something so they get their ass kick. This time I decided to concentrate myself in the Draka, a regional power with ideas of being a major power.

And I understand Diamond. A good group of players in SME. Very good game. I think it died because the pace was too slow.The problem a lot of people doesn't have the patience to follow the game and they began to drop like flies. But the best one in my opinion. My Italy was a bunch of jerks that kicked the Corsicans and them got their teeth kick in by a bunch of primitives and their allies. But the diplomacy part was missing from the otner ME until the last two ME. I specially liked the way the peace treaty that ended the Franco-Prussian War in ME7 was achieved. Ideas were tossed back and for and the ceasefire almost fell thru but at the end peace was achieved. Nice diplomacy people.


I think this move forwards are a good idea. when the game seem to stagnate we can move a little bit forward to inject action into the game.
Also, try to be as realistic as possible. Is the only thing that really piss me off. If you are attacking me and you expect to conquer my nation without casualties and your nation doesn't suffer any damage that is crap. Do your research and you'll be surprised that I don't mind getting my ass kick if I think the numbers are realistic and a moderator think so. Sorry, but working around miltary brass make me sometimes a little anal retentive. :D

[Glen]

How about this, if we are going to do ME8 we suspend all claiming for a week until we know who is going to play. We should at least wait until Condi gets back and we are certain the players of the other MEs are here and willing to play before any formal claims are made.

Let's do LiME, not ME8!

Agree we should wait for some others to get back before starting claims.

[Othniel]

I thought the year would be 1925?

I was going for a generation difference, so 1900.

If it was 1920, I suppose 1895.

However, I prefer ISOT 1925, POD 1900.
I've said 1927 the entire time as a date two years before the stock market crashed in the USA. Varity and fimillarity if you please I think a 1802 POD would probably be the most intresting. Say a CSA from a tl that didn't make the Louisanne purchase and instead bought Cuba from Spain during Jefferson's presidency? Other TLs right and left since the 1802 point of departure puts a limit on it but the 19th century is full of potential PODs unless you want to play as a powerful Poland.... :eek:

[Imajin]

I've said 1927 the entire time as a date two years before the stock market crashed in the USA. Varity and fimillarity if you please I think a 1802 POD would probably be the most intresting. Say a CSA from a tl that didn't make the Louisanne purchase and instead bought Cuba from Spain during Jefferson's presidency? Other TLs right and left since the 1802 point of departure puts a limit on it but the 19th century is full of potential PODs unless you want to play as a powerful Poland.... :eek:
Well, even there you could have the Revolt against Russia succeed...

[Glen]

Should I start the threads for LiME then Mbarry?

Can we at least wait until we're done with the Practice ME before we get a LiME rolling.

Maybe even we can do our fastforward discussion roundtable on ME6 and give it closure before opening up LiME?

Ideally, I'd like us through the fastforward on ME7 before we open up LiME, but we could, I suppose, do the pre-ISOT prep work before that, but no ISOT until we're into the 1899 period a little.

[Othniel]

Let's do LiME, not ME8!

Agree we should wait for some others to get back before starting claims.
Thank you but your a little bit late in your comments as I have moved on to setting up LiME tommorrow. I want to read the discussion going on here and get an idea of people's opinions before I just start it up.

[perdedor99]

Can we at least wait until we're done with the Practice ME before we get a LiME rolling.

Maybe even we can do our fastforward discussion roundtable on ME6 and give it closure before opening up LiME?

Ideally, I'd like us through the fastforward on ME7 before we open up LiME, but we could, I suppose, do the pre-ISOT prep work before that, but no ISOT until we're into the 1899 period a little.

Agree in all.

[Glen]

I say no ME8 yet. let give a proper burial to ME6 with a fast forward.

Agreed! Here here! I like the idea of a fastforward/discussion format for closure for ME6.

Them we have to cut the loose ends of ME7 to take them into the fast forward and give it a fresh look.

Yep. I think it would be quite fun to do our Vernian ME 1899, based on the early history established through ME 7.

Them we can begin to think about a ME8.

Right! I'd ideally like us to end up with one ME at a time unless there is a very different idea for an ME out there that would attract different players and/or enough new players to sustain two games with overlapping but not identical players involved.

And yes, I think ME6 has been the longest running one. Almost a year of ME time. Amazing. But ME7 is catching up. I guess we are getting better in the diplomacy game.

Guess so. Let's go for the record on ME7!!!

[perdedor99]

Thank you but your a little bit late in your comments as I have moved on to setting up LiME tommorrow. I want to read the discussion going on here and get an idea of people's opinions before I just start it up.

I disagree. It will be taking away from the fast forward to 1899 at least. We should give closure to ME6 first and them began the preparations to LiME[ISOTED and other related issues], them the fast forward to ME7 by July 10 at the latest.

[Glen]

I still would like to give newer players a chance to adjust to how ME is played without getting traumatized by our equivlant of playing ME as much as some play Evercrack (quest).. level 43 fan boys slaughtering newbies is never good. Something of equality issues need to be adressed in playing a sperate game from us so that we can focus on the game at hand, which is ME7. I think having an LME so that they can get the gist of the game

Agreed! And we can do it in stages. Practice ME for fun and orientation. LiME for more advanced practice of the game itself. Then when the time is right ME8 in its full glory and everyone ready for a more expansive vision.

[Othniel]

I disagree. It will be taking away from the fast forward to 1899 at least. We should give closure to ME6 first and them began the preparations to LiME[ISOTED and other related issues], them the fast forward to ME7 by July 10 at the latest.
The fastforward doesn't start until at least Condiretto gets back anyway. I'm creating this pacfically for newer players and it is to keep them from losing intrest in the game because no countries or anything else are there for them to try out. I'm thinking of this from a recruiter and marketing angel rather than a current gameplay angel. Future intrests and ambitions rather than dealing with our current problems.

[perdedor99]

The only beef I got with ME7 is that the American nations are not behaving like nations of the 19th century. The Europeans, Bulg and GP and Ward and Oth and Laura, are acting like the land grabbing nationalist typical of the 19th century. Not so the Americans. They are acting IMO like middle 20th century nations, a little out of character but overall not a bad ME. Everyone is following the rules, well almost everyone and I will not mention names, and everything is moving along fine. The fast forward is a good idea also. The game will stagnate but with moving our nations forward will help bring new ideas forward, who knows, maybe WW1.

[Glen]

Ya know, I'd like a chance to get back into the gaming world here. If we keep on delaying, nothings gonna happen.

Also, I have a suggestion for a comprimise to prevent oldies from destroying newbies: Reserve some countries for the newbies. The powerful ones. Therefor the US, Russia, Germany, and Great Britain can only be claimed by newbies. Its kinda cruel to have people like Gen Paul claim the US.

Rather than reserving specific countries, I say we give the newbies first pick for a LiME. And that is important because we also need those newbies to show enough interest to trust them in a full blown game with an important player nation. We need people who can contribute to the game effectively. I think LiME will give them the chance to learn what it takes to do that without anyone getting all ruffled about it, since it is just a limited model.


Otheniel, I think your overestimating the number of newbies out there. There aren't enough players for LiME.

Not for LiME on their own, you are probably right. So we have the newbies pick whatever countries they want first, then us older hands (do I count as an older hand now?) fill in with some other nations necessary to make it playable.

Practice ME is what we used for newbies and people who are just bored.

Or want to engage in some creativity without, ooops, starting a whole new ME game prematurely!

A minature game is just silly. Maybe you folks can finish ME6 ups while ME8 is in planning. . . it takes about two and a half weeks you know.

I don't think a LiME is a silly idea. I think it has some things to recommend itself. I would also accept an expansion a bit of the Practice ME if LiME didn't happen (though just a little, I did state we would not PLAY it, just PLAY WITH it, and we will stick with that). No ME8 for a while, at least not until we get the ME6 closed, and preferably not until we finish the ME7 fastforward.

As far as POD, I have a suggestion. 1800, BUT there has to have been an equivalent of WWI during the last 20 years. Some major world war involving European central powers.

How about POD 1850, and you have to have had one World War before ISOT?

[Imajin]

I thought we agreed on a 1813 POD Limit? I still don't see why there has to be one at all, but if we are going to have one, why go so close to the POD?

[Diamond]

When you guys 'fast-forward' a game, what do you do? Write up a timeline showing what happened in between where you stopped and where you picked up again? Or what? :confused: ...never very clear on that...

[Imajin]

When you guys 'fast-forward' a game, what do you do? Write up a timeline showing what happened in between where you stopped and where you picked up again? Or what? :confused: ...never very clear on that...
I suppose we debate what our nations would do, but not actually post the whole "Emperor John CXXVIII frowned at the reports. What was the Empire to do now? The Disunited Principality had seized their border fortresses. Then he got a plan. They would send troops up to Somewheretown...." thing.

[Glen]

The only beef I got with ME7 is that the American nations are not behaving like nations of the 19th century. Not so the Americans. They are acting IMO like middle 20th century nations, a little out of character but overall not a bad ME.

Vive la Difference ;) None of these countries by 1886 were doing much empire building in the Americas. Canada was a good lackey of the Brits, America was trying to digest the West, and the nations south of the US were still basket cases. These are a very different Americas in this TL than ours, and that is appropriate. If you look, the Central and South American nations have much earlier PODs than most of the other nations, so I would expect their behavior to be a bit different. They are certainly not acting like mid 20th century nations, fascist versus communist in a cold war (with the US and Canada as the only democracies really in the Western World).

The Europeans, Bulg and GP and Ward and Oth and Laura, are acting like the land grabbing nationalist typical of the 19th century.

Actually, I've been playing France for Ward, so I'll take credit for that land grabbing! :D

Everyone is following the rules, well almost everyone and I will not mention names, and everything is moving along fine. The fast forward is a good idea also. The game will stagnate but with moving our nations forward will help bring new ideas forward, who knows, maybe WW1.

I think if nothing else, it will bring interest. I really would like to know what happens to this ME7 world....

[perdedor99]

I suppose we debate what our nations would do, but not actually post the whole "Emperor John CXXVIII frowned at the reports. What was the Empire to do now? The Disunited Principality had seized their border fortresses. Then he got a plan. They would send troops up to Somewheretown...." thing.

Pretty much a year to year advances of your nation. Daily post by year, for example 1887 in one day, 1888 the next day, 1889 the next, etc. also any interaction with a nation need to PM each other so you guys agree and any conflict clear with a moderator if no agreement is reached.

[perdedor99]

Vive la Difference ;) None of these countries by 1886 were doing much empire building in the Americas. Canada was a good lackey of the Brits, America was trying to digest the West, and the nations south of the US were still basket cases. These are a very different Americas in this TL than ours, and that is appropriate. If you look, the Central and South American nations have much earlier PODs than most of the other nations, so I would expect their behavior to be a bit different. They are certainly not acting like mid 20th century nations, fascist versus communist in a cold war (with the US and Canada as the only democracies really in the Western World).

Ok, late 20th century nations. Jeesh! Picky, are you. :D

[Glen]

When you guys 'fast-forward' a game, what do you do? Write up a timeline showing what happened in between where you stopped and where you picked up again? Or what? :confused: ...never very clear on that...


New concept as far as I know that has never been tried.

For ME6, I think we'll just discuss what we think would happen in the years to come then maybe have someone writeup an epilogue post-2005 history of the World.

For ME7 it will be very structured AND fast-paced. Starting July 10th, we will post 1 day = 1 game year and do this for 12 days until we reach the year 1899. Very schematic updates of what is happening in your nations. Wars (minor only, please) and international relations will be determined by mutual player consent or moderator decision. Backdate posting allowed as long as it respects the continuity of what has already been posted.

[Imajin]

So I suppose it's planned then? We continue with the Practice ME, and begin preparations for a LiME to begin after the ME7 Fast Forward. Also, around now someone should star a ME6 Wrapup Thread, to finish up that game.

[reformer]

Otheniel, you seem to be taking controll of LiME. Are you going to actualy be playing? Also, as a kinda half exspierienced fellow who worked mostly with IE, do I count as a newbie, or as a veteran?

There's a small chance that I won't be able to get on the internet over the next few weeks, so if that's the case, I'm out on LiME.

In ME8, would folks allow me to do a mafia TL, and have several little mini ISOTs in different cities like I suggested in practice ME? I'm asking because it seems to me like it would be incredibly fun and original to play, but it does break some ME rules.

[DuQuense]

Al Capone Rules, ?Or will Kirk and the Feds Move in?

[reformer]

Havn't figured out all the details and all the rules etc. for the mafia thing. For the practice I just had an early enough POD to eliminate real people with butterflies. I've already started research into the power of the mafia. I'll either have a 1860s POD or a 1920s POD. Whatever the case, the mob will be stronger than it is OTL. Would you folks mind if I did something like that, and just takes little bits and pieces of places? It would be great gameplay. . . Making criminal alliances with countries to use their cocaine. . . buying out columbia. .. dealing with totaly new unbribed New York Feds (I'll probably ISOT with all of Chicago) and then do different nations dirty work. . . lend them money. . . hits. . . buying into international corperation. . .and they will be scatered enough that no government could just wipe us away.

Of course, to have that TL work in the mid 60s, one obvious change is that prohibition has to last longer, and probably that Elliot Ness doesn't suceed. Also, though the mob will be focused in the US, I'll also have parts of other major countries, and the entire island of Sicily if possible. Having such a powerful crime network will add an interesting new ME twist. That is, if I'd be allowed to make something like that.

[Diamond]

@ reformer: Here's an interesting twist: what if, after the ISOT, when the 'common people' in your Mafia cities realize what happened, they try to make alliances with other, 'un-Mafia'd' areas to throw out their Bosses?

War in the streets, man! :D

[reformer]

First of all: evil stupid non Italian people dwelers!

Secondly: at this point, mid 60s, instead of overall land controll, the big power of the mafia was through laundering: in other words how many casinos and bussinesses you controll. As for the drug and gambling market, loosing the Bosses and Dons makes you loose your rescources. Land was important at that point, but it wasn't AS important as the more legal illegal operations.

Thirdly: Not all mafia lords were unpopular. Some of them actualy got respect. For one thing, the mafia protected the people from the law, gave them exstra bussiness opprotunities, and in some cases actualy lowered their protectorates taxes, in which case protection money would actualy be less then the money they'd save in taxes.

Fouthly: The 'accidental' kidnapping of the mayor of New Yorks daughter.

Fithly: the most evil one. Say Otheniel controlls the US, and General Paul controlls the USSR. Using mafia connections, the Russians smugle a nuke or even just a big ol' dirty bomb into the US. The mafia tells the government about it, but threatens them that they'll detinate it if the US supports a revolt. If the Russians get angry, then perhaps the Cosa Nostra in Moscow might pay a very personal call to the leader of the Russian state. Or something like that. I can use counter diplomacy with other countries. I can play people off each other.

Still, I doubt mBarry would let met do this.

[Diamond]

I need some help!
With the militaries of my Practice ME nations, that is. :D

I'm going with a 1% of total population figure for the total military strength; does that sound about right? Frex, Gothonia's population is 410,000,000, so its military would be around 4 million. Is it just me though, or does that seem insanely huge?

Also, how are you guys figuring out exactly what the breakdown is for units in the navy, army, etc? Like, how are you determining how many battleships, how many jet fighters, etc?

[Ward]

I need some help!
With the militaries of my Practice ME nations, that is. :D

I'm going with a 1% of total population figure for the total military strength; does that sound about right? Frex, Gothonia's population is 410,000,000, so its military would be around 4 million. Is it just me though, or does that seem insanely huge?

Also, how are you guys figuring out exactly what the breakdown is for units in the navy, army, etc? Like, how are you determining how many battleships, how many jet fighters, etc?



There is an old saying in the Naval Minture world for every 1 BB you should have 3 CA or CL , and 8 DD or the like .
And for ever 4 BB you should have a CV or CVL . This was up to 1942 .

For Your Army . Think of 3-4 Sqs of 8-13 for a plt . 3 to 4 plts in a company , 3 to 6 line Co to a batt . 2 to 5 Battions to a REG . and 2 to 6 Regs to a Div and 2 to 6 Divs to a Corps and 2 to 6 corps to an Army .

[Diamond]

Thanks Ward; that helps. Now I just gotta crunch numbers! :D

[DuQuense]

Remember not all your Soldiers are frontliners, anywhere from 50-90% will be support personnel

[Cockroach]

Why don't we consider a second DME, set in/around OTLs WW2 should make it interesting...

[reformer]

Whats DME? No, not wwii. . . mafia is temporarily weak then. . . that is assuming I'll be allowed to play them.

[Cockroach]

http://alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=6096

[reformer]

Was there a different catch out there in DME? Can't quite tell from the board.

[Cockroach]

DME IIRC fetured:
1. OTL 1939 Nazi Germany
2. A rule specifying all ISOTs had to have had a WW1 like conflict in their past.
3. Had a tech limit of the 1940s (so no nukes)

Other than that it was just like all the other MEs

[DuQuense]

?What is your take on the meeting of two time Brothers? ?Is it instant recognition best friend for life.? Or is it Rimmer V Rimmer- aka Red Dwarf?

[Othniel]

Otheniel, you seem to be taking controll of LiME. Are you going to actualy be playing? Also, as a kinda half exspierienced fellow who worked mostly with IE, do I count as a newbie, or as a veteran?

There's a small chance that I won't be able to get on the internet over the next few weeks, so if that's the case, I'm out on LiME.

In ME8, would folks allow me to do a mafia TL, and have several little mini ISOTs in different cities like I suggested in practice ME? I'm asking because it seems to me like it would be incredibly fun and original to play, but it does break some ME rules.
You played in ME6 right? I highlighted you as a person who was rusty. I will be in LiME as a moderator, but I'm not sure if I'll acualty be playing when it comes to LiME.

[reformer]

Yah, I was in the first ME6. The second version never really caught my attention.

[Leej]

That's what the point of Mosaic Europe was- a "small area"... didn't seem to work...

An attempt to improve on my past zones map:

Europe isn't small. I meant like a country or somehing of the sort. A city or two transported.

[reformer]

Is it possible that we could incorperate LiME into MEuro?

[Imajin]

Is it possible that we could incorperate LiME into MEuro?
I say keep them separate. LiME is for the new members to get accustomed to Mosaic Earth, MEuro is a completely different game.

[reformer]

Should we go ahead with MEuro then?

[Imajin]

Yes, once we've got the rules down I say we start up a claiming thread (Which means no claims yet)

[Othniel]

So anyone up to starting the ME7 fast forward since Condi is here now? as well as talking about what LiME should have in terms of a ME to RL time ratio?

[Glen]

?What is your take on the meeting of two time Brothers? ?Is it instant recognition best friend for life.? Or is it Rimmer V Rimmer- aka Red Dwarf?

Depends on the person, the POD and subsequent histories, and the situation.

Some people love themselves...some people hate themselves...most are probably just mildly disconcerted by themselves...

[Glen]

So anyone up to starting the ME7 fast forward since Condi is here now? as well as talking about what LiME should have in terms of a ME to RL time ratio?

First, we take roll call and make certain everyone is present and accounted for.

Next, we determine when everyone will definitely have a 12 day block that they can check in online at least once a day.

Then, we set the fastforward start. Right now we've been talking July 10th. That sounds like a good target date to me, but what about everyone else?

[Othniel]

First, we take roll call and make certain everyone is present and accounted for.

Next, we determine when everyone will definitely have a 12 day block that they can check in online at least once a day.

Then, we set the fastforward start. Right now we've been talking July 10th. That sounds like a good target date to me, but what about everyone else?
I'm never here on weekends though.

[Glen]

I'm never here on weekends though.

Okay, so maybe we need to make the fastforward 'pause' during the weekends. Do you mean you aren't here Saturday and Sunday, or Friday, Saturday and Sunday?

If we have to pause during Saturday/Sunday, that will add another four days minimum to the period of the Fastforward, so it would be 20 days total!

It's your parents, right? Any way you could get special permission for a single weekend? If we started on a Monday (July 11th, say) and kept going, that would involve only one weekend (July 16th & 17th). Just let them know its a special event, and have a set time with them (and let us know!).

[Othniel]

Okay, so maybe we need to make the fastforward 'pause' during the weekends. Do you mean you aren't here Saturday and Sunday, or Friday, Saturday and Sunday?

If we have to pause during Saturday/Sunday, that will add another four days minimum to the period of the Fastforward, so it would be 20 days total!

It's your parents, right? Any way you could get special permission for a single weekend? If we started on a Monday (July 11th, say) and kept going, that would involve only one weekend (July 16th & 17th). Just let them know its a special event, and have a set time with them (and let us know!).
My computer isn't working at home so I post from My father's work on weekdays while looking for a job.

[Glen]

My computer isn't working at home so I post from My father's work on weekdays while looking for a job.

Ah. Any idea if your home computer is going to get fixed, or if you would have any way to get internet access for the weekend? A friend perhaps or even the library?

It would only be one weekend, and we'd respect the fact that you're working under difficult conditions those two years.

[Othniel]

Ah. Any idea if your home computer is going to get fixed, or if you would have any way to get internet access for the weekend? A friend perhaps or even the library?

It would only be one weekend, and we'd respect the fact that you're working under difficult conditions those two years.
Just post it without me and leave reasonable room for me to discrip what happend the fallowing monday, or before I leave we could attempt to partially compound the years into a general direction for my nations. For example the sale of Iceland.

[Glen]

Just post it without me and leave reasonable room for me to discrip what happend the fallowing monday, or before I leave we could attempt to partially compound the years into a general direction for my nations. For example the sale of Iceland.

Okay, how about this then. We will try to start this on a Monday, which will mean only one weekend. On that first Friday, you post for both 1891 and 1892 (people can post their reactions to your 1892 stuff as well). On Monday when you get back, you post your 1893 stuff (we'll try not to do anything weird to your nations that year, okay?) and get started with the rest of us on 1894. That's the best I think we can do.

Would everyone be willing to say that 1892-3 will be quiet years for Oth's nations (in theory at least)?

[Othniel]

I can do that. 1892 is when I designated my king to die. He'll be 118 years old so....

[Glen]

I can do that. 1892 is when I designated my king to die. He'll be 118 years old so....

So that constitutes quiet? King of which country, BTW?

[Othniel]

So that constitutes quiet? King of which country, BTW?
Mauriafrica. His large family will be mourning and probably be the highlight of the year.

[perdedor99]

Let's do it. For 1887 the Draka are pretty boring anyway.

[Glen]

Let's do it. For 1887 the Draka are pretty boring anyway.

Sure, but we need to plan out when the best time is.

My vote for now would be a fastforward starting Monday July 11th.

Anyone else want to second that date or object to it and suggest another. I personally need to avoid an earlier date as I am in the midst of moving and changing roles at work on the First of the Month.

[Justin Pickard]

I second that date, and will be able to provide a more proactive presence in ME7 following the fast forward, as I will be on a protracted summer holiday.

[DuQuense]

Good for me

[Condottiero]

It's going to be a bit complicated. I am going to go back home on the third week of July and I do not have internet connexion. I'll try to find out a solution... maybe I can try to use my sister's.

[Galbatorix]

i am going to be out in holyday most of july. if somebody want to take my two nations from the 5 of july, he can does the leap

[perdedor99]

Galb, I take your Persia thru the fast forward if you don't mind.

[Glen]

i am going to be out in holyday most of july. if somebody want to take my two nations from the 5 of july, he can does the leap

I'll take Peru. Can someone else take Persia?

Let me know in PM anything special you'd like to have happen during the fastforward.

[Matt]

Plan sounds a-ok with me :D Weekends are becoming increasingly hard me to post one anyways.

[Othniel]

Ok, so LiME is set to go forward right after the ISOT, correct?

Also if anyone would like to hear the four countries I had ideas on for ME8 I would be apperative as I figure I'll just prepare them now in anticpation. ;) I was in a creative drought till last night.

[Matt]

pm me them oth

[Glen]

Ok, so LiME is set to go forward right after the ISOT, correct?

Also if anyone would like to hear the four countries I had ideas on for ME8 I would be apperative as I figure I'll just prepare them now in anticpation. ;) I was in a creative drought till last night.

After the ISOT or do you mean after the fastforward?

[Othniel]

Yeah, after the fast forward, although I still want to write about an Anthro-war in the Kongo.

[Glen]

Yeah, after the fast forward, although I still want to write about an Anthro-war in the Kongo.

What's an Anthro-war?

Go ahead and write something then. It's just for fun.

[Othniel]

What's an Anthro-war?

Go ahead and write something then. It's just for fun.
Anthrowar- a war fought between animals with humanlike characteristics.

I was going to pit a war of Saurians and Intelligent gorilleas against each other on the border of the jungle and the African mountains.... :cool:

[Glen]

Anthrowar- a war fought between animals with humanlike characteristics.

I was going to pit a war of Saurians and Intelligent gorilleas against each other on the border of the jungle and the African mountains.... :cool:

Okay, why don't you and MBarry put yer pointy heads together and create an AltEvo ME, where all the nations are from Earths where alternate forms of intelligent life evolved in place of man on the Earth, but post ISOT for some strange reason they all can speak and understand some gibberish called English. :D

We'll have the Florida Keys be the only part of it inhabited by Homo sapiens sapiens. Why you ask? Because its always 5 o'clock somewhere....

[Othniel]

I think while that would be intresting, won't we brather have a race of batlings in Romania under a Lord Dracula...?

[Diamond]

I think while that would be intresting, won't we brather have a race of batlings in Romania under a Lord Dracula...?
I created a world for Alterverse called 'Pax Vespertilionis', where the Avars and Mongols spread vampirism across the globe and the Caliphate and the Holy Norse Empire are locked in a Dark Ages cold war with them...

[Matt]

I'm always of the opinion that we should retry to do A/V

[Glen]

I'm always of the opinion that we should retry to do A/V

Wasn't Diamond trying to get a site up and running for that?

[Diamond]

Wasn't Diamond trying to get a site up and running for that?
Darkest90 and myself are in the process of creating one right now on Freeboards. It'll be a while before we get all the kinks ironed out though.

[Darkest]

Oh yes, Alterverse is coming back. Tell your friends. By the time it is released, our system will be so well-defined that we won't waste anytime arguing and what-not. Should be a lot of fun.

[Imajin]

Hm... If Alterverse is to be ressurected, I'd like to drop my Carthage plane and make a new one...

[reformer]

Wait. .. so your doing some fantasy thing for ME8? Or will it be normal. . . when does it start? And if we're doing that so soon, are we sure we need LiME?

[Darkest]

What's this LiME we are talking about? Please inform me.

Hm... If Alterverse is to be ressurected, I'd like to drop my Carthage plane and make a new one...

Oh yeah, go ahead, no obligations to your earlier planes. Make something totally new up, we'll be glad to have it.

[Lauranthalas]

What's this LiME we are talking about? Please inform me.

Li(mited) M(osaic) E(arth). basically an ME to get new people where the poeple who already played ME are only getting small and not influencial countries

[Mayhem]

Nothing related to LiME has come around for a couple of days; I may just be impatient (or out of synch :D), but I'd like a word up either way. :)

[reformer]

LiME is good and all, but when is ME8 starting?

[Matt]

Oth was the one who was going to run it, so it's his pregotive to do so. ME8 is some time in the indefinate future, pending results of the ME7 fast fowards.

Oh and we should have one person write the offical post script to ME7 before I lock the threads up.

[DuQuense]

At this point I'm wondering about the reasons For LIME. Maybe Whe should just go for CWME [cold war] set in the mid '60s. ? Are there that many newbies, who will really play a LIME.?

[Glen]

Oth was the one who was going to run it, so it's his pregotive to do so. ME8 is some time in the indefinate future, pending results of the ME7 fast fowards.

Oh and we should have one person write the offical post script to ME7 before I lock the threads up.

Post script to ME7 or ME6?

ME7 still has a ways to go.

I would say that we will be starting LiME initial planning for LiME shortly after the ME7 fastforward. When do you think will be best to start discussing ME8, MBarry, Bulg? LiME is going to have a set end date, right, Oth? So maybe the day after LiME terminates we open up the ME8 discussion?

Okay, so the ME7 fastforward will start Monday July 11th and run through Friday July 22nd. Say we get the updated posts of our nations up on the weekend of Saturday July 23rd and Sunday July 24th, and have regular postings start on Monday July 25th for ME 1899 (the fastforwarded ME7).

Oth can't be on weekends, so say we open official planning of LiME on Monday July 25th. Have the ISOT for LiME occurring then on Monday August 1st? How long was Oth going to have it run for, anyone recall?

So figure planning for ME 8 starts sometime mid to late August? No later than September 1st, I would say. Maybe Monday August 29th planning opens for ME8?

What do people think?

[Matt]

Post script to ME7 or ME6?

ME7 still has a ways to go.

I would say that we will be starting LiME initial planning for LiME shortly after the ME7 fastforward. When do you think will be best to start discussing ME8, MBarry, Bulg? LiME is going to have a set end date, right, Oth? So maybe the day after LiME terminates we open up the ME8 discussion?

Okay, so the ME7 fastforward will start Monday July 11th and run through Friday July 22nd. Say we get the updated posts of our nations up on the weekend of Saturday July 23rd and Sunday July 24th, and have regular postings start on Monday July 25th for ME 1899 (the fastforwarded ME7).

Oth can't be on weekends, so say we open official planning of LiME on Monday July 25th. Have the ISOT for LiME occurring then on Monday August 1st? How long was Oth going to have it run for, anyone recall?

So figure planning for ME 8 starts sometime mid to late August? No later than September 1st, I would say. Maybe Monday August 29th planning opens for ME8?

What do people think?

Errrr..... I meant ME6 postscript. :p

[Glen]

Errrr..... I meant ME6 postscript. :p

I had a feeling...

BTW, what do you think of the time tables?

[Matt]

They get my seal of approval

[Bulgaroktonos]

Alright, well I give my stamp of approval to everything thus far written.

As for ME8, I would just like everybody to know that its going to be run a bit differently than the other MEs, focusing more on trying to create a realistic game world and the roleplaying element.

[DuQuense]

LIME was the latter 30's Till GW2 starts. [IIRC]

[Glen]

LIME was the latter 30's Till GW2 starts. [IIRC]

I thought Oth said ISOT would be circa 1927, no?

So does the game go until someone starts WW2, or until it would have started in OTL, ie 1939?

[Matt]

damnifiknow..

but if oth doesn't run it, we do have orphan nations in ME7... those two mexican republics spring to mind.

[reformer]

Isn't LiME just delyaing ME8? I mean, we don't have that many newbies that have shown much interest. They can sine into MEuro if they want to.

Could you tell us more about ME8? More realistic in what way? I was hoping on doing a Cosa Nostra state like I suggested in Practice ME (it wasn't practical in that game though, not close enough to OTL). But I might not be allowed to do that in this type of thing. (for all its worth, I figured out a very logical TL for it. . .)

[Matt]

IF it's not a nation state we haven't laid out an effiecent way to ISOT it. MAybe if the people gets ISOTed, and a few key ware houses, offices, etc...

[Mayhem]

And wouldn't it be a tad suspicious if several neighbourhoods (as in Practice ME) seemingly from the same ATL got ISOT'd? (Apart from the weirdness of the ISOT in the first place...)
Someone might just pipe up and say; "Hey, how is it that this obviously very mafia-orientated area of Sicily has several elements of common history with these new suburbs of Yew York? Hmm... I wonder..." ;)

[Leej]

LIME?
What've I missed?

[Shereen]

Sorry! I meant to say what is the ISOT date (or year) for MEuro. Also, are there any openings in Mosaic Earth part 7?

[reformer]

Well, the mafia will have some trouble, but its the 60s, so it wont be as obvious as say, the 30s or something. At this point the mafia was alot more oraganised and more legal, it was also less Italian. Also, not all of the mafia is in the US.

[Glen]

damnifiknow..

but if oth doesn't run it, we do have orphan nations in ME7... those two mexican republics spring to mind.

I've been running both of the Mexican Republics as well as the Kingdom of Spain and Brazil in ME7, which I 'adopted'.

I would be willing to give them to some good 'parents', but at this point I'd have to be very persuasively convinced that the players doing so would be committed to those nations and the ME7, soon to be ME 1899, game. We had enough of absentee nations in the Americas and Europe in that game, and I'm going to hold onto them unless there is a genuine interest and commitment to play and play well. Also be nice if it would be people who would respect the backstories already established for those nations.

In short -

Republic of Sonora, Mexican Francophile nation with a modest presence on the Pacific, currently run by a dictator....I mean president for life.

Republic of Rio Grande, a Mexican Germanophile nation that has recently undergone a change in leadership and is starting to become more democratic, heavily in the sphere of influence of both the USA and New Granada. No pretensions to a navy in the Gulf.

Kingdom of Spain and Brazil, a post-ISOT hybrid nation composed of a Ferdinand and Isabella style joint monarchy of the former Navarre and Castile, Portugal, Brazil. Women are strangely forward and in positions of authority in Navarre, while Castile, Portugal, Brazil is rather middle of the road in terms of modernity and attitudes. They are desparately trying to modernize their military, and have sold bits and pieces of territory and made alliances to ensure this. They have good relations with both the Third Republic of France to the North, Mauriafrica & Mauribrazil to their South, as well as the nations of the Americas. They are also rather paranoid about the menacing Draka to the South of their colony of Spanish West Africa, and are working on improving its defensive capabilities.

Those are sort of the highlights. If any new player is seriously interested in these nations, please PM me to discuss the possibilities of a change in ownership. However, I give fair warning that at this point I may decide to simply keep any and all of them to play rather than go through the rigoramole of trying to do a reasonable transfer again. Also, Aussey has some interest in the Kingdom of Spain and Brazil, so I would have to take that into consideration as well in that particular instance.

Last time I tried something like this, it was more work than actually running the country myself, and it didn't work out as we might have hoped. I am not going down that road again lightly.

[Glen]

damnifiknow..

but if oth doesn't run it, we do have orphan nations in ME7... those two mexican republics spring to mind.

Oth will run it. He just can't be on during weekends due to computer access issues.

[Glen]

Isn't LiME just delyaing ME8? I mean, we don't have that many newbies that have shown much interest. They can sine into MEuro if they want to.

Could you tell us more about ME8? More realistic in what way? I was hoping on doing a Cosa Nostra state like I suggested in Practice ME (it wasn't practical in that game though, not close enough to OTL). But I might not be allowed to do that in this type of thing. (for all its worth, I figured out a very logical TL for it. . .)

Hey, reformer, tell us the tl! Also, I think your Mafia idea would be more viable if you ISOT whole cities, counties, and small states and nations that have their political systems in the pockets of the Mafia. That gives them both a viable base to expand from as well as some camoflage.

[Glen]

Sorry! I meant to say what is the ISOT date (or year) for MEuro. Also, are there any openings in Mosaic Earth part 7?

Shereen, read my response a few up on the thread about the openings in ME7 that I have as possibles. If you are serious about one or more of them, PM me. No promises.

Also, I should mention that ME7 is about to go through a fastforward period starting on Monday July 11th, 2005 and lasting through Friday July 25th, 2005. Each day will be one year, and if you are running a country during that time you would be expected to be on at least once a day if at all possible. We are going to advance the year to 1899, and the tech level to approximately 1910, but with Jules Verne styles to the tech, so Nautalus style subs, Zeppelin like fighting airships, etc.

Really, though ME 1899 would be fun, I would recommend for a newcomer MEuro and/or LiME, and then ME8 when it is ready probably sometime in late August.

[Glen]

Oh, and I don't think that LiME is necessarily redundant. MEuro is smaller geographically but is likely to be just as involved and complicated as any previous ME I would suspect. And ME8 we want to have everyone on board knowing full well the commitment involved in the game. LiME will be a circumscribed, fast-paced game that provides a safe environment for newcomers to try out the ME format without such a large commitment of time and effort before knowing if it is something they can do at this point in their lives.

[Matt]

We are going to advance the year to 1899, and the tech level to approximately 1910, but with Jules Verne styles to the tech, so Nautalus style subs, Zeppelin like fighting airships, etc.
.

And with Wellsian style Martian's landing in NJ? :D

[Condottiero]

And with Wellsian style Martian's landing in NJ? :D
No! They will die of smallpox and then all that technology will be available to some survivors of the Empire of the midnight Sun

[Aussey]

Well, I was reading earlier in this thread. I have a few questions AND comments.

ME6- It is O-V-E-R, I say we let it go
ME7- Is just getting in its..err...another Prime...We MUST stick with it.
LiME- I have no idea what this is. If someone explains, I see no problem with it
ME8- Is it permanetly stuck in the 1920s? BTW- I just got done doing my Iranian heritage study, so I would like to play a NON European nation. So if I can...I call Persia.
MEuro- When do we start?
Practice ME- What is it?

[Glen]

Well, I was reading earlier in this thread. I have a few questions AND comments.

Okay....

ME6- It is O-V-E-R, I say we let it go

Yes, we know. Someone just needs to write up the synopsis.

ME7- Is just getting in its..err...another Prime...We MUST stick with it.

The fastforward is going to be a blast. BTW, have you noticed that some secluded areas have dinosaurs and megafauna. :D

LiME- I have no idea what this is. If someone explains, I see no problem with it

Limited in advance, fast-paced ME geared towards newcomers moded by Oth that will start in 1927 and run rapidly to the start of WWII.

ME8- Is it permanetly stuck in the 1920s? BTW- I just got done doing my Iranian heritage study, so I would like to play a NON European nation. So if I can...I call Persia.

ME8 is being planned behind the scenes so as to prevent premature starting and also to provide a more polished beginning process. It will be circa 1965. There will be NO calling of countries until it is officially unveiled.

MEuro- When do we start?

Ask reformer, its his baby. However, I suspect we will start Monday.

Practice ME- What is it?

Oh, that was my little bit of fun. We had a few new people asking about ME, so we set up the Practice ME as a very limited example of how ME play starts and goes. Also used it as a testing platform for a few new twists on ISOTs and other rules of ME. And lastly, it served as a very creative release for the pent-up ME nation creation jitters that some of the vets get when no ME is in the planning. Its just wrapping up, and I will be writing a synopsis for it at the end of the week.

[Othniel]

Post script to ME7 or ME6?

ME7 still has a ways to go.

I would say that we will be starting LiME initial planning for LiME shortly after the ME7 fastforward. When do you think will be best to start discussing ME8, MBarry, Bulg? LiME is going to have a set end date, right, Oth? So maybe the day after LiME terminates we open up the ME8 discussion?

Okay, so the ME7 fastforward will start Monday July 11th and run through Friday July 22nd. Say we get the updated posts of our nations up on the weekend of Saturday July 23rd and Sunday July 24th, and have regular postings start on Monday July 25th for ME 1899 (the fastforwarded ME7).

Oth can't be on weekends, so say we open official planning of LiME on Monday July 25th. Have the ISOT for LiME occurring then on Monday August 1st? How long was Oth going to have it run for, anyone recall?

So figure planning for ME 8 starts sometime mid to late August? No later than September 1st, I would say. Maybe Monday August 29th planning opens for ME8?

What do people think?
LiME will start at the end of the Fast Forward for ME7. So for those intrested it will start on July 25th (The 24th happens to be a state holliday in Utah.) The ISOT is set for June 7th, 1927. The end of LiME will be with the start of the second world war. In RL it is timed to end when ME8 starts... but I was thinking to go with a thirty day period in which every 10 days is a year, that basically leading to war. But until I have a more definate time period in which ME8 will start it will be a rougher figure.

There will be a POD limit of at least a few months before the reign