ASB make the moon habitable

[DarkSlavik]

what happens now, the moon has a breathable atmosphere, the soil is now rich in nutrition, and there are great seas and oceans. the ASB made the gravity the same as earth by installing a "gravity well" at the core of the moon, and by doing this not effecting the tides of the earth and allowing the moon to retain its now breathable atmosphere. what happens now?

[Hermanubis]

Bust out the Saturn 5s…

[Tielhard]

"the soil is now rich in nutrition"

Like green cheese man?

[NomadicSky]

Shouldn't it be made much more earth like...
And George Bush would want the US to annex the moon he would tell the world that America has a claim because only Americans have been there and we have a flag on it

[Mike Stearns]

Bust out the Saturn 5s…

What he said.

[Tielhard]

The lawn ornaments will never fly again and NASA burnt the blueprints!

[Hermanubis]

Shouldn't it be made much more earth like...
And George Bush would want the US to annex the moon he would tell the world that America has a claim because only Americans have been there and we have a flag on it
The others can have some of the Moon too, if they can get to it :p

[Hermanubis]

The lawn ornaments will never fly again and NASA burnt the blueprints!
Don’t think so…
A popular, untrue (http://www.space.com/news/spacehistory/saturn_five_000313.html) urban legend, started in 1996, states that NASA has lost or destroyed the blueprints or other plans for the Saturn V. In fact, the plans still exist on microfilm at the Marshall Space Flight Center, though it seems unlikely that future engineers will find that the plans will come in handy after the subsequent 40-plus years of advances in rocket science.


(link) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturn_5)

[NomadicSky]

Aren't they the only nations with still active space programs

[Tielhard]

Mmm interesting. I had this explanation from one of the old time Engineers who worked on leak detection systems and ullage. It may well be urban legend but it was also consistent with the USA economic policy on technical advantage at that time. I certainly won't say Wiki is wrong on this issue but I would need some more convincing.

As for getting the lawn ornaments to fly. I have seen the one at the Cape, the pitting on the hull from vegetative material is serious and the main engines look poorly even though they have been brought up to a Museum standard of preservation. The only way they will fly is on the back of an aeroplane.

[Doctor What]

True--most of the stuff is either sitting on microfilm or rusting away on some concrete field somewhere--but the U.S. went from using crappy captured German rockets to big-ass Saturn V in a little over a decade--and that was with the goal to 'beat the Russians'.

Now that we actually have a liveable moon up there--it's going to be a free for all--everyone will be dumping tons of money into their respective space programs. Those countries without space programs will want to get on board with someone else's program. There will be no shortage of money, manpower or technical engineering.

As for who owes the moon---

Space Law: Frequently Asked Questions (http://www.oosa.unvienna.org/FAQ/splawfaq.htm#Q6)

United Nations Treaties and Principles on Space Law (http://www.oosa.unvienna.org/SpaceLaw/treaties.html)

Long story short--neither the surface nor the subsurface of the Moon, nor any part thereof, or natural resources in place, shall become property of any State, international intergovernmental or non-governmental organization, national organization or non-governmental entity or of any natural person.

It will probably be treated like Antarctica, I suppose---although I can see all kinds of shenagins being done to bend those laws every which way to a specific country's advantage.

[Hermanubis]

Long story short--neither the surface nor the subsurface of the Moon, nor any part thereof, or natural resources in place, shall become property of any State, international intergovernmental or non-governmental organization, national organization or non-governmental entity or of any natural person.

It will probably be treated like Antarctica, I suppose---although I can see all kinds of shenagins being done to bend those laws every which way to a specific country's advantage.
Think that’s going to last long? Seems The Moon is much more hospitable then Antarctica in this scenario...

[Tielhard]

"True--most of the stuff is either sitting on microfilm or rusting away on some concrete field somewhere--but the U.S. went from using crappy captured German rockets to big-ass Saturn V in a little over a decade--and that was with the goal to 'beat the Russians'."

Unfortunately, most impartial assessments conclude that it would take the USA a lot (and I do mean a lot) longer to get back to the moon. One of the big factors in this curiously sad state of affairs is that Computer Aided Engineering still does not work properly for big systems. Another is that the huge increase in computer power and control software since the demise of Apollo makes it far harder to certify systems as being safe (for a given value of safe).

[Hermanubis]

"True--most of the stuff is either sitting on microfilm or rusting away on some concrete field somewhere--but the U.S. went from using crappy captured German rockets to big-ass Saturn V in a little over a decade--and that was with the goal to 'beat the Russians'."

Unfortunately, most impartial assessments conclude that it would take the USA a lot (and I do mean a lot) longer to get back to the moon. One of the big factors in this curiously sad state of affairs is that Computer Aided Engineering still does not work properly for big systems. Another is that the huge increase in computer power and control software since the demise of Apollo makes it far harder to certify systems as being safe (for a given value of safe).
That’s why I said just bust out the Saturn 5s…

[Tielhard]

Assuming the blue prints are available and as I said I am not convinced. No one is going to let NASA build one and fly it un-modified and modernised. For one thing it would be regarded as unsafe and uncertifiable these days. For another it would put every engineer involved in therapy! Engineers can't not fiddle with things it is a compulsion!

[Doctor What]

Think that’s going to last long? Seems The Moon is much more hospitable then Antarctica in this scenario...

No--but I did say---

It will probably be treated like Antarctica, I suppose---although I can see all kinds of shenagins being done to bend those laws every which way to a specific country's advantage.

I give it ten years tops before somebody somewhere finds a 'loophole' to their advantage.....

[Leo Caesius]

Bah. Within ten years, the Moon has a population of a couple million Chinese and an ESA research station. Meanwhile the Americans will have given exlusive, no-bid contracts for colonizing the moon to Bechtel and Halliburton, who will plead that the project is still in the drawing stages...

[Hermanubis]

Bah. Within ten years, the Moon has a population of a couple million Chinese and an ESA research station. Meanwhile the Americans will have given exlusive, no-bid contracts for colonizing the moon to Bechtel and Halliburton, who will plead that the project is still in the drawing stages...
Hmm, maybe it would be better if this event happened in 1996… :p

[Ward]

True--most of the stuff is either sitting on microfilm or rusting away on some concrete field somewhere--but the U.S. went from using crappy captured German rockets to big-ass Saturn V in a little over a decade--and that was with the goal to 'beat the Russians'.

Now that we actually have a liveable moon up there--it's going to be a free for all--everyone will be dumping tons of money into their respective space programs. Those countries without space programs will want to get on board with someone else's program. There will be no shortage of money, manpower or technical engineering.

As for who owes the moon---

Space Law: Frequently Asked Questions (http://www.oosa.unvienna.org/FAQ/splawfaq.htm#Q6)

United Nations Treaties and Principles on Space Law (http://www.oosa.unvienna.org/SpaceLaw/treaties.html)

Long story short--neither the surface nor the subsurface of the Moon, nor any part thereof, or natural resources in place, shall become property of any State, international intergovernmental or non-governmental organization, national organization or non-governmental entity or of any natural person.

It will probably be treated like Antarctica, I suppose---although I can see all kinds of shenagins being done to bend those laws every which way to a specific country's advantage.



Back in the 70's the UN sold lots on the moon would these become legal land titles for the owners . I can see it now some old trekie who owns 100's of these lots trieng to cash in .

[Doctor What]

Back in the 70's the UN sold lots on the moon would these become legal land titles for the owners . I can see it now some old trekie who owns 100's of these lots trieng to cash in .

Actually, ward--it wasn't the U.N.--it was some guy who was scamming people saying he was working with the U.N.--made a small fortune before he was found out. A lot of other people copied him and are still selling stuff like that--I even (supossedly) own an acre of moon, according to a certificate I got one christmas from my sister in law.

http://www.lunarregistry.com/info/embassy.shtml